Why Do Commie & Socialist States Kill Gays But Capitalists Don't?

Why have communist regimes throughout history consistently persecuted, imprisoned, and killed gay people? In this Based Camp episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins examine the pattern across the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, Cambodia’s Khmer Rouge, and more — backed by direct quotes from communist leaders and historical records.They break down the ideological reasons: homosexuality framed as “bourgeois degeneracy,” linked to fascism, rejected as hedonistic “gooning,” and clashing with extreme pro-natalist policies that viewed childless people as unproductive. The episode also contrasts this with capitalism’s unmatched track record as the most gay-friendly system in global history and explores the ongoing political shift of gay men toward Republican voting.If you’re tired of revisionist history that ignores communist crimes against the LGBT community, this is the conversation you need to hear.Episode Transcript [00:00:00] Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be asking a question, which is why do communists usually kill gay people? And it’s an interesting question. There’s two groups that communists generally like to kill and that is gays and Jews. Um, Which surprises a lot of people if they haven’t studied history or only look at the weirdos approach.[00:00:26] I mean, most Jews are aware of this, but there are a lot of gays who are completely unaware of this. And they have done this over and over and over again throughout history, and the only group that seems to do it as frequently as communists do it is socialists. Is this- They also really like killing gay people[00:00:46] Simone Collins: is this because both gays and Jews accumulate wealth?[00:00:50] Malcolm Collins: No. Gays typically produce less wealth than the average citizen. It’s just that on the outside curve, gays basically just have a wider distribution curve of talent- Oh ... than average humans. Okay. So in the same way[00:01:02] Simone Collins: that like with- Oh, so they’re like hyper men.[00:01:03] They’re like extra men.[00:01:04] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, in the same way that men, like, on, if you look at like the average man and you look at the, the, the curve, like women have like a[00:01:10] Simone Collins: trigger bell curve. Yeah, the bell curve is more flattened, whereas like the male bell curve is- In terms of IQ ... yeah.[00:01:13] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and with gays, the bell curve is flattened and shifted away.[00:01:18] Mm. But it’s flattened[00:01:18] Simone Collins: enough- Yeah, so that tip of the, the tip of the bell curve giant ...[00:01:20] Malcolm Collins: the tip of the bell curve. If you’re like, “Who are the top 10 chefs in the world?” Five of them are gonna be gay. “Who are the top 10 fashion designers in the world?” Five of them are gonna be gay. “Who are the top 10 AI designers- I mean, not average[00:01:33] in the[00:01:33] Simone Collins: world?” Gay. I mean, gay. Gay. But I mean blind.[00:01:36] Malcolm Collins: Well, no, you see this especially in creative fields. Yeah. You, you see a disproportionate number of gays. And actually I almost wanna like study this, like what the f**k causes that? But it’s also a reason why it’s, it’s, it’s a good idea to not burn the gay community be-[00:01:49] Simone Collins: Isn’t that the higher levels of testosterone?[00:01:52] It could be the higher levels of testosterone. So gay, gay men have, on average, higher levels of testosterone. What’s different from men? Higher levels of testosterone, like higher risk, high reward, like they’re going all in.[00:02:00] Malcolm Collins: That and they’re not having their brains polluted by constantly talking to women.[00:02:05] Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean- They’re not being henpecked. I mean, God, boys,[00:02:07] Malcolm Collins: right? Imagine, imagine what you[00:02:09] Simone Collins: would be able to accomplish. You would be unleashed, Bianca. You would be unleashed if you were blessed with dickness. If you[00:02:14] Malcolm Collins: didn’t have to, the, you know, yeah. There, there is, there is other ancillary benefits to the wider gay...[00:02:21] And not to say that nothing negative comes, but we’ll have that conversation later in this. But what I wanted to start by focusing on is like the, the m- ma- the majority of gay community, and this is changing. Like as we’ve pointed out, the gays are moving to Trump, right? Like in, in the voting. If they continue to move at the rate they have moved over the past few election cycles I think by the election cycle after the next, the majority of gay men will be voting Republican.[00:02:47] And I think by the next election cycle, the majority of gay white men will be voting Republican.[00:02:51] Simone Collins: Ooh ...[00:02:52] Malcolm Collins: so, yeah, guys, g- keep in mind the, the, this is a community that we can win. But historically, you look at the protests, you look at all the flags, and no, these flags don’t even really represent gayness anymore.[00:03:04] They represent like an opt-in identity at this point, the colonizer’s flag as we call it, the progress pride flag. I’m not gonna go into that right now, but so they, they, they, they have these flags, and they yell at people about Palestine. I recently saw them yelling at, A, the guy who replaced Nancy Pelosi, he was kicked out of a gay pride event when people followed him into[00:03:23] Simone Collins: it and- Oh yeah, there’s a picture of him on the front page of Drudge, like soaked in...[00:03:26] No, that’s Mamdani, never mind. But yeah yeah, there was a picture of him looking real mad.[00:03:29] Malcolm Collins: But it was, it was he wasn’t enough anti-Israel for these people and they-[00:03:33] Simone Collins: Not, oh, not enough. Never enough ... they were[00:03:35] Malcolm Collins: carrying their, their, the, apparently that’s a huge gay rights issue. And I’m like, gays, you and your natural predators, right?[00:03:41] Like communist, like the two groups that like have it in their mission statement to kill you, like Islamists and communists, right? Like Guys But let’s get into this. I wanna get into the stats, I wanna get into the facts, and I also wanna point out here that there has been [00:04:00] no governing or economic system that has been friendlier to gays throughout global history than capitalism.[00:04:08] Not one. Not one comes close to being as friendly or as open to gays than capitalist systems[00:04:17] Simone Collins: yeah, actually. Ac- I mean, look at some of the most successful capitalists today.[00:04:23] Malcolm Collins: Well, as to why, and, and there haven’t been many at all, and we can even get into it at the end if you want to purges or genocides of gays in capitalist systems.[00:04:33] It just doesn’t happen really. Happens in socialist, happens in communist- Wasn’t there the- ... doesn’t happen in[00:04:37] Simone Collins: capitalist ... the I wanna say pink scare around the time of the Red Scare?[00:04:43] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but we didn’t kill them.[00:04:45] Simone Collins: Well, that ... Yes. Yes. Well, they- We didn’t send them to the gulags ... then, then AIDS came, and they killed themselves.[00:04:51] So there was also that. But that, that wasn’t capital- ... Well, it could’ve been capitalism’s fault because it was ... Patient Zero was a, an airline attendant, and if we weren’t so capitalistically abundant- If we weren’t so economically prosperous ... we wouldn’t be flying around the world on our little sexual romps, bring us, would we?[00:05:08] No.[00:05:08] Malcolm Collins: Yeah. If, if we weren’t so economically prosperous,[00:05:10] Simone Collins: So capitalism killed the gays really at scale- At scale ... when you think[00:05:13] Malcolm Collins: about it. No, it was orgies that killed the gays at scale. Oh. Hmm. Th- they could’ve, they could’ve just not done that when they knew a deadly disease was spreading through their community.[00:05:24] Simone Collins: Was it known to be sexually transmitted from the very beginning?[00:05:26] Malcolm Collins: It wasn’t from the very beginning, but people figured out pretty early. And it was very interesting for a lot of gay people to experience because it killed off a huge portion of gay culture, and the gays who survived it they were typically the, like, nerdy introverts.[00:05:45] And it- Yeah ... really transformed gay culture because with all the party guys who ended up dying off and all of the nerdy introverts who survived- Oh ... it sort of defined the way gay culture transformed itself. Where if you look at older gay culture, it was way more you could actually see this in stuff.[00:06:03] I wanna say, like, jockey, biker gangy.[00:06:05] Simone Collins: No.[00:06:07] Malcolm Collins: Y- you’ve seen the old videos and stuff. Like, it was, it was pretty tough, I guess you’d call it. And then it became sort of, effete and, and weird, but that was downstream of AIDS killing off the non-nerd gays, leading to gays to get more into nerdy hobbies and stuff like that.[00:06:25] Al- also, just as a side note here, one reason why capitalist systems are generally pretty pro-gay is it’s this flattening of the curve thing that ends up helping gays. It’s also why capitalist systems are generally pretty pro-Jew. Any group that’s disproportionately going to be in high-profile positions a, in a system that rewards meritocratic behavior like, e.g. Being genuinely more creative or genuinely more productive or being able to, like, build big companies or whatever it, it, people with those skill sets end up in positions of power and then prevent- the, you know, big attacks on their community and everything like that, right? Like- Mm. Mm ... the, both the gays and the Jews have done a very good job with this in the United States.[00:07:05] But let’s continue here. All right, so we’re gonna g- just go through every major communist system and whether or not they discriminated against or attempted to genocide the gays, okay? Okay, so the Soviet Union were gays discriminated against? This is the USSR, the main one, the one that, like, all the people today are fighting, you know, all that.[00:07:28] Yes heavily discriminated against gays. Article 121 criminalized male same-sex acts up to five years in hard labor in gulags. Thousands arrested thousands died. It w- it was, it was really horrible. A- and once you got back from these, you could never get a job again. You could never get a, and a huge percentage of the people who were sent ended up dying. It was really just, like, a, a sort of a death sentence deferred for them. Like, “Hey, m- we’re gonna kill this guy anyway. Maybe we can get some free labor out of him.” And if you hear about the way people died in the gulag work camps [00:08:00] and stuff like that, like building roads in the middle of the Arctic and, and freezing- Oh my gosh[00:08:03] to death and stuff like this, really horrible deaths. In terms of ex- explicitly targeted executions, no, but it was a functional genocide. That, that was the goal, where we’re gonna take everyone who’s gay and just get rid of them. And it’s, it’s really strongly documented. There’s not, you know, like, the confidence that this is extremely high.[00:08:19] Mm-hmm. But then you have China, the, the PRC. Yes, being gay was criminalized. It’s, it’s still criminalized in China. Still? Yeah, you could go to jail in China for being gay under the CCP.[00:08:32] Simone Collins: Oh.[00:08:34] Malcolm Collins: You did not know this?[00:08:35] Simone Collins: Oh. Wait, but then you’re going to a same-sex jail.[00:08:40] Malcolm Collins: I don’t think- So it’s not just like-[00:08:41] that that’s as fun- ... the gay club ... in the CCP as it is for you. But why don’t, why don’t you ask- For me- Why don’t you ask AI, like what gets you arrested in China right now around being gay, right?[00:08:51] Simone Collins: Okay.[00:08:51] Malcolm Collins: It was originally cr- criminalized under quote unquote hooliganism. And they were often forced into public labor camps where they were worked to death.[00:09:01] And they were forced into psychiatric cures that includes things like forced sterilization, other stuff like that. Were there executions? Yes, there were almost certainly executions under the Cultural Revolution because in the Cultural Revolution they’d execute you for just about everything.[00:09:15] And they- Yeah ... didn’t really keep good documentation. And I, this is the thing, a lot of leftist historians have sort of tried to scrub history, where you can ask a question where you’re like, “Was it illegal under the, you know, d- during the Cultural Revolution?” And they’ll, they’ll be like, “Yes.” And it’ll be like, “So were there mass executions around this?[00:09:32] Like, were people being executed for this?” No, no, but they- And they’ll say like, “Well, you know, the academics don’t really talk about it,” and I’m like, “Use your common f*****g sense.”[00:09:40] Simone Collins: Right. And I, I, I- You, you don’t wanna like make a list of like, “And today, dear diary, I did exactly this to this person brutally murdering[00:09:47] Malcolm Collins: them.”[00:09:47] Well, I mean this is like the thing. They’ll ... I saw one when I was trying to like w- figure this information out, when it was like, “Gays were not killed under the Khmer Rouge en masse.” And I was like, “Excuse me?” I believe some academic may have written that, but if you are at all familiar with the culture of the Khmer Rouge and what that government said about gays, then you would know that they were mass executing gays.[00:10:14] Anyway, what, what, what are the laws right now?[00:10:16] Simone Collins: So actually China decriminalized consensual same-sex relations- When? ... in 1997. And homosexuality was removed from the official list of mental disorders in 2001. Really all that gets you in trouble f- for is like sex work.[00:10:29] Malcolm Collins: I know, I thought, I thought posting about it, like getting posts that go viral-[00:10:32] Simone Collins: Yes[00:10:33] and stuff like- Obscenity. So if you post something that’s obscene, yes.[00:10:37] Malcolm Collins: Oh, well okay. So, so basically-[00:10:39] Simone Collins: But yeah, you can also post something that’s super straight and obscene, so I don’t see that as targeting gay[00:10:43] Malcolm Collins: people. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The way they define obscenity is just same-sex relationships.[00:10:48] G- ask this.[00:10:49] Simone Collins: Producing or distributing sexually explicit material, including same-sex pornography- Right ... can be prosecuted under obscenity or illegal publication laws.[00:10:56] Malcolm Collins: The question is not what the legal system says, but what functionally happens. Ask it. Do people functionally, like we’re talking about the way the law’s functionally implemented, if you create a post on one of the social, sci- China social media websites, and you’re gay and you’re seen as promoting gayness, are you gonna get disappeared?[00:11:21] Okay. Next here, we’ve got Cuba. The ga- the, all these people love Cuba, and often love to forget that the UMAP had forced labor camps for gays labeled counterrevolutionary. They would lose their jobs, and they’d be imprisoned, and they wouldn’t be able to get jobs again, ‘cause that’s what happens in a communist system, where, like, like imprisonment’s a much bigger deal in a communist system than in a capitalist system.[00:11:44] And there were certainly[00:11:46] so yeah, in, in Cuba there were certainly large numbers of gay deaths in the work camps from it being illegal.[00:11:53] They did make it normal again in Cuba. I guess when they learned that the leftists who they wanted to be buddy-buddy with in the US weren’t [00:12:00] into them mass killing gay people. But yeah, they were super pro killing gay people. It just didn’t help their agenda in the United States, which was really significant.[00:12:09] Actually we recently found out that there was a high-level Cuban spy in the United States military for a long time. They kept telling people Cuba’s not that big a deal. Nothing that happened in Cuba matters. Anyone who’s telling you that in the comments either is completely ignorant of recent American history and how Cuba played a large part in organizing in far leftist organizations in the US, Antifa in the US, and US communists for about a, a, a half a century at this point.[00:12:35] Or they are like actively disinformation agents. And people you need to be watching. Like, everyone who right now is saying like, “We need to do s- we need to help Cu- whatever,” like they’re freaking out about Cuba. The left is freaking out about Cuba because Cuba is the cornerstone of American leftist or- organizing.[00:12:51] And the, I mean, they’ve d- they’ve taken over other countries functionally recently and, and when they learned that the, the, the, them mass executing gays was hurting that, they were like, “Okay, whatever.” But and functionally mass executing. It was through the work camps. Sorry, what are the rules around China when you-[00:13:04] Simone Collins: S- yeah, you, you are likely to have content you post online that promotes a gay lifestyle be taken down by the CCP.[00:13:12] Malcolm Collins: And disappeared?[00:13:14] Simone Collins: No, not necessarily. But you, you will be suppressed. You probably if you keep trying, you’ll be disappeared, but-[00:13:21] Malcolm Collins: Okay ...[00:13:21] Simone Collins: I guess there’s not enough documentation for AI to be like, “Yes,” it will just be suppressed or censored[00:13:29] Malcolm Collins: But yeah, so okay, let’s go to the next one. Notice here it’s been every single communist country has killed gays so far.[00:13:36] I’m just, like, letting you guys know. It’s not[00:13:38] Simone Collins: great. Yeah, I mean-[00:13:40] Malcolm Collins: Okay ...[00:13:40] Simone Collins: it doesn’t look great.[00:13:41] Malcolm Collins: And, and during time periods long after it was totally normalized in the West. In f- in fact there’s some documentaries if you wanna, like, hang out in gay circles or anything like that. Like, when I was younger, I was hung out with all the artsy kids and everything like that.[00:13:56] A lot of my friends were gay. And because of that I knew, like, the gay shows and stuff like that that they would watch. And one of the shows that, like, the GSA would play and stuff like that was about a gay person growing up on the eastern side of the Berlin Wall and, like, what it was like when the wall fell and how much freer their life got.[00:14:17] And, like, all the gays on the western side of the wall were all partying and going to nightclubs and having fun. And on the eastern side of the wall, it was, you know, forced castration and stuff like that.[00:14:28] Simone Collins: Forced-[00:14:29] Malcolm Collins: But anyway ...[00:14:30] Simone Collins: castration?[00:14:31] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I’m pretty sure the episode’s called Hoodwink and the Angry Inch, and it’s about that.[00:14:36] Simone Collins: Hedwig and the Angry Inch?[00:14:37] Malcolm Collins: Yeah.[00:14:38] Simone Collins: That’s what it’s about? Oh my God, okay.[00:14:41] Malcolm Collins: Wait, that’s about... Yeah, it’s about Berlin, right?[00:14:44] Simone Collins: I don’t know. I never watched it. That’s terrifying. Do you want me to look it up? I mean-[00:14:51] ...[00:14:51] Simone Collins: Sure, look[00:14:53] Malcolm Collins: it up. Yeah, l- look it up to, to double-check this.[00:14:55] Simone Collins: Yeah.[00:14:57] Malcolm Collins: Okay. Next, Vietnam. This is the first one on our list that probably didn’t kill gay people explicitly.[00:15:08] Possibly. But Vietnam wasn’t that communist for that long. Vietnam never really had a full real communist revolution. They had the war with us to maintain communism, and then, like, immediately became capitalist after that and still called themselves communist. And are a great ally to the United States, one of the, the strongest allies we have anywhere in the world right now, which is pretty wild.[00:15:33] But i- it’s, it’s simply because they hate China more than they hate us, and we are their only counterweight to China. And that could actually influence why they have been not as anti-gay as other communist states. So the one communist state so far that wasn’t expl... And no, there was a stigma against gayness even, even so within socialist Vietnam, but it wasn’t never clearly illegal.[00:15:54] North Korea. Yes, you will be [00:16:00] executed for being gay in North Korea. It’s considered a corruption of morals. It is extremely illegal in, in North Korea. And it appears to still be illegal in North Korea. What’d you find out about Hedwig and the Angry Inch?[00:16:15] Simone Collins: It’s the story following Hedwig, a gender queer rocker from East Berlin whose botched sex reassignment surgery leaves her with an angry inch as she tours...[00:16:25] So it’s, it’s not the angry itch, I guess. It’s the angry inch. That’s what I said, inch.[00:16:28] Malcolm Collins: Inch.[00:16:28] Simone Collins: I thought it was itch. Oh ... sorry. As she tours shabby venues across the US telling her life story and chasing the ex-lover who stole her songs and fame. Though the concert style nar- through the concert style narrative, she grapples with trauma, identity, and the search for her other half, ultimately moving toward a more integrated sense of self.[00:16:47] Yeah, but[00:16:47] Malcolm Collins: was the, was the botched reassignment a forced thing by the state?[00:16:53] That was, that was[00:16:54] Simone Collins: my question Yeah, that’s what I’m trying to figure out. I know, I know it’s, it’s not... Yeah.[00:16:57] Malcolm Collins: So Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge, would you have been murdered for being gay? Absolutely you would’ve been murdered for being gay. The Khmer Rouge would murder you for speaking English or being a dentist.[00:17:12] Of course they’re gonna kill you for being gay. They, they killed people for f- nothing. They, they- it was the craziest of communist governments, and that meant they absolutely hated the gays. By the way, we’re, we’ll get into why they did this in a second if you’re confused as to why they always end up killing the gays.[00:17:28] Note again, we’ve also seen this with socialist revolutions. You know, famously when Ayatollah Khomeini was coming into power he allied with the gay movement. He allied with the leftist movement, said, “We’re all gonna be great friends forever and ever and ever.” He got in power, and now they literally just like...[00:17:45] Man, if you’ve ever seen these hangings, they are so brutal, the crane hangings in Iran. They literally[00:17:50] Simone Collins: just have like- Oh my gosh, yes. Yes. Oh, I’ve seen pictures of[00:17:53] Malcolm Collins: the scene Because you imagine they’re like giant construction cranes, and no they’re not. They’re like small, dinky, rusty construction cranes with like big crowds of people[00:18:02] Simone Collins: like throwing- This thing, it’s very town square in like m- medieval times kinda thing, yeah.[00:18:07] Malcolm Collins: Oh yeah, it’s, it’s horrifying. It’s horrifying. We- these people, I, honestly I think we should ban immigration. Yeah and this isn’t to say I’m against like I- Per- Persian Americans, but I think like the ones that we want got out largely speaking.[00:18:19] Simone Collins: Yeah. And,[00:18:20] Malcolm Collins: We, w- we, or at least[00:18:23] Simone Collins: strong ideological vetting.[00:18:24] I don’t know. I don’t want bad things to happen to anyone, but[00:18:28] Malcolm Collins: this is just- You, the only way, if there is a culture that acts in a way that you find systemically problematic, Simone, the only way to deal with that behavior is to make, either transform that culture into something that is unrecognizable to itself, right?[00:18:46] Or to replace that culture with another cultural group, right? All the quote unquote solutions to this are not going to look nice. But I think increasingly the world is tabling them. Because a lot of the, well I mean the, the world that’s breeding, the world that has power eg. the US and Israel going forwards, ‘cause like Europe’s basically irrelevant 20, 30 years from now.[00:19:08] Yeah. Anyway your, your, what did, what’d you find?[00:19:13] Simone Collins: It’s coerced, but it’s not literally depicted as a castration ordered or performed directly by the East German state. It’s pushed by Hedwig’s mother and the American GI as a condition for marriage and immigration within restrictive communist systems.[00:19:30] So-[00:19:32] Malcolm Collins: Well ...[00:19:32] Simone Collins: not really.[00:19:33] Malcolm Collins: Not really. Okay.[00:19:34] Simone Collins: Laos Told that to marry Luther, the American soldier and legally immigrant, a full medical exam and legal documentation require him to be female, so the mother and fiance presume sex surgery or pressure Hansel, who became Hedwig, into sex surgery. Yeah. So more complicated than that, yeah.[00:19:53] Malcolm Collins: Okay, so next. And I’ll go faster now for you guys. Laos, o- only the second one on the list that didn’t criminalize it although it was [00:20:00] negatively stigmatized. And Laos was not communist for that long. They only became communist in 1975. Hmm ... and they’re, they’re today not that communist. Ethiopia.[00:20:08] Yes, it, it was criminal and there were almost certainly mass killings of gays from what we know on the ground at the time during the Red Terror. Absolutely terrifying if you’re not familiar with this one. And they definitely killed a lot of gays. ... Romania. Yes private same-sex acts were criminalized, up to five years in prison.[00:20:27] Although we don’t know of any mass killings in Romania, there was almost certainly isolated killings of gay people in Romania for being gay. Mm-hmm. East Germany, yes, again. Next, as we were just talking about Poland. No, or at least limited. It was decriminalized in 1932 pre-communism, and remained so while a social stigma existed.[00:20:47] So this is, like, the next one on the list that’s a, a clear no. Czechoslovakia yes, initially, then reduced, criminalized early on, decriminalized in 1961 to 1968. So clearly criminalized. Whether or not it came with executions, we don’t have explicit examples of, but again, a lot of these places that had really harsh laws, yes, probably.[00:21:07] Albania yes, again it was criminalized under pedestry and it was a 10-year prison sentence. Oh my gosh ... and probably executions as well. ... Yugoslavia. But this wouldn’t have been mass scale executions, just, like, isolated executions. Yugoslavia a- again, this one we do actually have reports of executions, so we know for a fact it happened here.[00:21:29] And it varied by republic, but many of them did criminalize them with them being decriminalized in 1977, so we know that they were criminalized. So, let’s go to why they did this, right? Because this might confuse even Republicans today to be like, “Wait, capitalism is the pro-gay economic system, and communism is the anti-gay economic system.”[00:21:53] It’s like, I guess I kind of remembered that from history books, but why? Yeah. And why have the current gays forgotten this and are only just now remembering this? And what does this mean for the strategy to ensuring a Republican chokehold on the American electoral system and our continued victory? All right.[00:22:16] Let’s go into Maxim G- Gorky, ‘cause I’m gonna go over a lot of, like, explicit quotes from people, so... who were important communists so you can get an understanding of what they thought and why they thought this without me editorializing or putting words in their mouth. You know, I could say, “Oh, they thought it was inefficient,” or something[00:22:33] Simone Collins: like that.[00:22:34] Yeah, ‘cause I kept wanting to think, “Oh, well it must be because there was a large Christian population.” But no, this is communism. This is supposed to be, like, super not religious.[00:22:40] Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So he, Gror- Maxim Gorky, a leading Soviet writer, said, “There is already a sarcastic saying, ‘Destroy homosexuality and fascism will disappear.’”[00:22:52] Simone Collins: W- oh, yeah. What was that called? Homo fascism.[00:22:56] Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Gayness was super linked with Nazism in the communist mind.[00:23:04] Simone Collins: Just fabulous uniforms again. They’re just-[00:23:06] Malcolm Collins: I, I g- I get it. You[00:23:08] Simone Collins: get it.[00:23:09] Malcolm Collins: Like, I, I get it. I get it. I’m a little confused as to why the gays don’t identify with an... If you’re gonna choose a group that kills gays, like, choose the one- I thought- ... that’s well-dressed and had high-level gay m- members.[00:23:19] Simone Collins: Yeah, you want them to beat you with their fabulous batons.[00:23:22] . Aren’t you afraid the fashion police will come and beat you with their fabulous batons? No.[00:23:26] Malcolm Collins: Mm.[00:23:27] Simone Collins: Oh, God.[00:23:28] Malcolm Collins: Okay.[00:23:28] Simone Collins: Yeah, but yeah, the Nazis killed gays too, right? I mean, they killed a lot of people. But they was, they also- Mm ... killed gay people. I[00:23:34] Malcolm Collins: mean, they killed way less gays in total than the communists killed, but-[00:23:38] Simone Collins: Fewer gays. If you can,[00:23:39] Malcolm Collins: Thank you for the grammar lesson, Mr.[00:23:42] Simone Collins: Simone If you can count it, it’s fewer.[00:23:43] If it is like water, there’s, it’s uncountable, then it’s more or less.[00:23:48] Malcolm Collins: I will never learn your stupid English words.[00:23:50] Simone Collins: God, yeah.[00:23:52] Malcolm Collins: They will go away. Nobody’s gonna care about that in a few years. Okay.[00:23:58] Simone Collins: The AI[00:23:58] Malcolm Collins: will care. Nicolai [00:24:00] Krylenko this is the People’s Commissioner of Justice speech to the Central Committee.[00:24:04] He said, “In our environment, in the environment of the workers taking the point of view of normal relations between the sexes, who are building their society on healthy principles, we don’t need little gentlemen of this type.” We don’t need a little gentlemen of this type. That’d be a fun that’s, that’s, that’s Nick Fuentes-esque almost.[00:24:25] Simone Collins: Don’t you...[00:24:27] Malcolm Collins: We don’t need little gentlemen- Gentlemen of a certain type ... of this type. Who then for the most part of our customs in these affairs? Workers? No. Declassed rabble. Declassed rabble, either from the dregs of society or from the remnants of the exploiting classes. They don’t know which way to turn, so they turn to pederasty.[00:24:45] Now this is actually an interesting you know, kind of true point. Remember I said that gays seem to have a higher distribution curve in terms of success, like a flattened one, right? So they’re more on the both successful and unsuccessful edge, and less in the middle. He as a communist is noting this here.[00:25:02] He goes, “Either they’re in the unclassed rabble,” like the, the super low class that d- is unproductive, or they’re former high class individuals.[00:25:15] Simone Collins: Hmm[00:25:16] Malcolm Collins: Which is a pretty interesting observation, but I can see where it’s coming from. Again Let’s go to another one here. Another statement by the same guy. “After two decades of building socialism in the USSR, there is no reason for anyone to be a homosexual,” he said.[00:25:32] Joseph Stalin said to command co- c- to, to Commander Karnovich, “These scoundrels must be subject to exemplary punishment.” Oof. “And a corresponding guiding decree must be introduced into our legislation.” The report framed homosexual networks as potential counter-revolutionary espionage risks, which again, is actually kind of true.[00:25:57] If you’re cracking down on gays in your country because you see them as associated with fascism or whatever as you can see in the, like, books on gay people who lived under communism and stuff like that they had a reason and to be meeting with other people secretly, which is a good way to accidentally build an espionage network, right?[00:26:16] So I- I’m actually pointing out here that, like, they weren’t unreasonable in their fears of this. What Fidel Castro said just in terms of how much responsibility he took for it, he said, “If someone is responsible, it’s me. There were moments of great injustice. Great injustice,” he said. Now why?[00:26:34] Well, mostly because he was just taking orders from the other ... And most communists hate gays, get to that in a second. Let’s go to why the Chinese attacked it. They saw it as bourgeoisie degeneracy and Western corruption in nature. This is true as well. The idea of, like, middle class gays just sleeping around is a very Western idea and very antithetical to Chinese traditions.[00:26:58] And the place where you would’ve seen same-sex relationships in more ancient China is within the elite class. So they very likely would have seen it potentially even rightly so, as antithetical to actual Chinese value systems. In Cambodia, direct quotes specify, specifically naming gayness are rare because they destroyed most of the records.[00:27:23] But the regime demanded the removal of anything that they saw as decadent or bourgeoisie bougie. And gayness was definitely seen within those categories. North Korea again it’s seen as being a f- a form of capitalist corruption, basically ‘cause it’s hedonism, right? Like, think about it from this perspective.[00:27:41] If you say, “Okay, everybody, like, let’s get together and do what’s necessary for the state, for the people, for everyone,” right? Like, just sacrifice ourse- because this is the thing, real communism, when it’s been tried, sorry to the real communism that’s [00:28:00] never been tried, but People have tried, it just always ends up bad before.[00:28:03] Like look at our videos where we discuss why it always goes not in the direction the people with the pie-in-the-sky goals want it to go. Yeah. But the ... what it basically is is saying we are all going to sacrifice personally within our lives to move society forwards. In a way communism is very techno-puritan in its value framing, right?[00:28:29] Like everyone within the state suffers, everyone within the state does not pursue their own happiness, their own hedonism a- anything like that, and true happiness only comes for suffering for something you truly believe in, with that thing you really believe in being a better future for humanity, for, for communist humanity, right?[00:28:53] And you see this with the figures that the communists would elevate in any of these countries, right? They were always Mr. Worker Man, right? Like, you know, they’ll have the shovel and they’ll have the, the thing, the ...[00:29:03] Speaker 2: александр Пузыгин[00:29:15] Сивина Градова[00:29:22] Malcolm Collins: well, you even look at their- The, the ... look at their ... it’s a hammer and sickle, right?[00:29:25] It’s like the working man, right? Like the, Yeah ... a- and, and they would build these sort of folk heroes, and you could track these folk heroes. And the folk heroes were always like a guy who did a grueling, extremely hard job for an extremely long period of time because he wanted to make things better in some way.[00:29:44] Which is not a bad value system to And[00:29:47] Simone Collins: no, it’s, it’s wholesome ... to grow. When you, when you say it that way it’s fantastic, yeah.[00:29:52] Malcolm Collins: Mm. It just leads to mass death and suffering and everything like that. But again, other episodes- Mm ... we go into more detail. But if that’s what ... A- and the communists in the West, they just want the free stuff from other people.[00:30:05] They’re basically like, “Let’s take stuff from the rich and give it to people who don’t wanna work,” right? I don’t wanna work, I wanna work ... or I wanna work on something like educating people in communist ideology or educating people in gender frameworks or ... It’s always, they always wanna work in the education camps, right?[00:30:22] I wanna, I wanna work in you know, th- g- creative field. It’s like they don’t need a lot of creatives. Oh, I’m gonna yell on that under communism because, ... that’s a form of like hedonistic pleasure, not really needed, okay? Mm. But-[00:30:35] Simone Collins: I mean, propaganda needs it ...[00:30:37] Malcolm Collins: if all communist forces start with people with each of these mindsets, one that actually[00:30:44] It’s funny, one that’s actually virtuous and wants to attempt to make human society better through diligent labor and another that just wants to spend all day at home gooning, okay? And the one who wants to spend all day at h- on home gooning secretly, the, the, the, the, you know, whatever alphabet soup the orgy party people, right?[00:31:09] People get the guns, people go out and take over the government, and then these two sides have a disagreement about how things are gonna be run. Because the people who want society to continue to advance and people to continue to work and for this all to just not immediately fall apart says, “Hey I’ve noticed some people aren’t working, and why don’t we shoot them because they’re a problem for our society, right?”[00:31:33] And then the the people who just wanna sit at home all day gooning are like, “I thought that’s what the revolution was all about.” And then the two sides are like, “Well, I guess we disagree.” Now it doesn’t matter if the gooners make up 80% of the population they’re not the ones who will spend the day going door to door shooting people.[00:31:51] Whereas repeatedly the other side has shown that they’re exactly that type of person. This isn’t the, the only way that it, reason it turns bloody, but we have [00:32:00] a bunch of other episodes where we go into this. But it is one of the reasons why the gooners never take control of the communist systems and why the extremely militaristic people always do.[00:32:09] Because they’re the people willing to do what is needed to gain power. So even if that other side made up 80% of the population that wanted a revolution, pretty quickly you get to house number five and they’re like, “Actually, I support you guys. Yeah, sure, I’ll go to the widget factory every day for the rest of my life doing a, a mindless job while I choke on smoke that’s pointlessly wafted onto our cities because it makes them look more industrial,” a real thing that they did in both China and the USSR.[00:32:35] Did you know that by the way?[00:32:36] Simone Collins: No. That’s...[00:32:38] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so in China, this is a problem they’re dealing with even today, where they would explicitly build the large factories upwind of the major cities so that the cities would become polluted faster, because they thought it made them look more industrialized and modern[00:32:58] Simone Collins: That, hmm[00:33:03] Okay I don’t know about that Is[00:33:05] Malcolm Collins: that, is that astonishingly stupid?[00:33:08] Simone Collins: That’s, yeah. I’m trying to think of a diplomatic way to put it, but I think astonishingly stupid is all we can fall on today. That’s, there’s no, there’s no excuse for that. It’s, oh, God. It’s so bad. It’s so bad. Oh. Mm. Okay.[00:33:22] Speaker 9: By the way, I was fact-checking this and, , it’s been very interesting. I can’t find any positive affirmations that this definitely happened, but I can’t find any negative affirmations that, that this is a historic myth. So who knows where I heard this, but they do say there is a suspicious number of factories in both Communist China and Russia upwind of major cities.[00:33:44] , But we can’t find any record of why they built them there. So I, I could be wrong[00:33:49] Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm. Yeah. What’s interesting is, is that the people who gain power within communist systems that last for any period of time and function to any extent, actually think a lot like capitalists, like the most ruthless people within a capitalist system.[00:34:04] They’re just often l- legally allowed to just kill anyone they think is unproductive. Whereas in the, the capitalist system, it’s more like people might be like, “Well, it would be, you know, there’s a lot of people who are drains on the state. There’s a lot of people... But you know, you can’t do anything about it.”[00:34:20] In these systems, they’re just like, “Yeah, sure, like d- d- take, take care of it.” Do I wanna talk about why communist systems always fail? No. You can go to our other videos on that if that’s of interest to you. I don’t wanna wa- waste your time with it on this video. But what I do wanna talk about is, so if you have this idea, and people are like, “Well, gays don’t spend all day gooning.”[00:34:37] Right? Like, some gays are productive citizens. Some gays wanna make society better. And it’s like two things. One, you know well and good that those gays have a lot less social power than the ones who are the gooners. Right? Like- ... the gooners typically gain more power than the- Gooner power ... socially responsible ones.[00:34:58] Historically. Now, I’m seeing this shift within American gay culture in response to their movement being so taken over by the, the extremist extremist gooners, and they’re, and they, they don’t even like, the LGBT folks, they don’t even like the gays anymore. They’re like, the, the, the new thing is like a, a, a male gay is the new male straight because all the, the, the, is the new white male, you know.[00:35:16] Because all the white straight males left the, the left, right? And so now they’re, they’re, they’re picking on the next group, and the next group’s like, “Yeah, what, what am I doing here?” R- and this is where, you know, like how is it that we, there’s so few gay Republicans, and but like our top vote getter, Scott Pressler, is gay, right?[00:35:32] Literally moved to the movement ‘cause he’s like, “I don’t understand why the leftists are cozying up with the Islamists. They wanna kill me and everyone like me.” Right? Like, and we’ve, and we’ve seen a pretty successful alliance with the two groups here with Trump. The New York Times wrote an article, Trump’s Big Gay White House, pointing out that disproportionately, and we’ve seen this as well, his White House is, is staffed by gay men.[00:35:51] And it is becau- and, and the famous quote from like a Republican lady in DC was like, “The Trump administration came in and I thought there’d be so many good dating prospects, [00:36:00] and they’re all gay.” But they’ve been efficiently moving forwards with a lot of the agenda that we want to see carried out, so like I’m, I’m, I’m chill with that, right?[00:36:08] You know, I, I can say that the, the Bible’s against it and also say, but there’s a lot of other things the Bible against that are bigger issues for me than that. And- The, the wider stuff around, like the toxic parts of the movement have mostly expelled the gays to the extent that they are useful to work with us, and that they no longer have the social power if we accept them into our movement to ever force their lifestyle on the next generation again, nor do most of them want to who want to join our side, right?[00:36:40] So like why- Mm-hmm ... be pointlessly mean about it? You’re just hurting us in future elections. But yeah, but I’ve pointed out, you, you know, this can still mean banning gay marriage and stuff like that, like whatever, right? Like, but the, why the communists are always turning against them, because even if you are an upstanding, hardworking, soci- civically minded gay, you’re still not having kids, and most communist systems were incredibly pro-natalist.[00:37:03] The, the only exception is China, interestingly that I’m aware of.[00:37:07] Simone Collins: Yeah. But like- Yeah, yeah. Well, but that, yeah, I think maybe it was kind of the fault of the Communist Party anyway, ‘cause they were dealing with like the famines that they caused, and then they were like, “Oh, let’s-”[00:37:17] Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, the Communist Party in China was initially super pro-natalist.[00:37:19] They wanted people to have tons of kids.[00:37:20] Simone Collins: Yeah, and then there were the famines, and then, yeah. So[00:37:22] Malcolm Collins: then- And then they did a 180. But the- Yeah ... the Soviets were pro-natalist the entire time. They gave out mothers of medal, m- motherhood medals. They gave out all sorts of, you know, rewards, awards, anything[00:37:37] Mm. Delicious. But yeah. It was, By the way, people are asking if I like, am, I’m drinking milk for some weird diet reason or something. Like I’m on some sort of c- I’ve just always really liked milk.[00:37:52] Simone Collins: It’s- You’re a European cow herd descendant, I guess.[00:37:58] Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No, this is the thing. There’s a bunch of like, you know, people from cultures that are not milk drinking cultures who don’t know how normalized milk is in- Mm-hmm[00:38:06] Northern European cultural groups. Milk and cheese are the f*****g best. Few, few flavors in this world better than milk and cheese, people. To a Europ- Northern European.[00:38:16] Simone Collins: I’m with you, man. Yeah.[00:38:17] Malcolm Collins: D- in, in, in Scotland in the medieval period, you had to pay your taxes in cheese. That’s always been one of my favorite factoids I learned- Me too[00:38:23] studying Scottish history. Mm. So I have to say it. So the local like, bishop would like have a, like a basement full of like cheese. Cheese.[00:38:35] Simone Collins: The fir- the word factoid I believe actually refers to a, a, a fact that’s not true. Let me, let me actually fact check this.[00:38:43] So I did fact check it and it’s right[00:38:45] Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that that doesn’t sound true to me.[00:38:46] Yeah, so, so because of that you’re like intrinsically in the same way that on this podcast I’m also like, generally I think you’re gonna be able to do more for society unless you’re fairly wealthy if you are gay with today’s technology. If you decide to just, not live a life around what turns you on.[00:39:06] I don’t think it’s as bad as it was historically. Hmm. But I think that, you know, on the edge you’re probably gonna be more productive. And we have a, we have a- I mean, yeah,[00:39:13] Simone Collins: I mean, I, I think it depends on the person. I think some people are more productive because they, it[00:39:19] Malcolm Collins: seems like marriage- Have a really[00:39:20] Simone Collins: good[00:39:20] Malcolm Collins: partnership.[00:39:21] Simone Collins: And, yeah They’re[00:39:21] Malcolm Collins: not burdened by women, yeah.[00:39:22] Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah, but- It’s like look, and like, and like trying to... Let’s say, like, you wanna have a family, right? And you don’t wanna raise the family alone, but you find women both so, socially abrasive and physically repulsive that you understand that if you tried to raise a family with a woman you would just be miserable and be a bad parent.[00:39:40] It makes sense.[00:39:41] Malcolm Collins: Simone, I think, I, I think a number of straight guys feel this way.[00:39:44] Simone Collins: Well, the, I mean, like, there’s a... What’s the word for... So, so there’s political lesbians, what’s the word for... Or are, are they just called, like, MGTOW gays, I guess? What, what are we, what are we gonna call them? I guess they don’t exist or maybe they [00:40:00] do.[00:40:00] It’d be really interesting to, like, find, find just we can’t stand women gays who are not gay. Anyway, though.[00:40:09] Malcolm Collins: Oh, by the way, funny, funny side note. Yeah. So for RFab we were making ads for our video, the Not Safe For Work video feature today.[00:40:15] Simone Collins: Yeah.[00:40:16] Malcolm Collins: And I sent you the, the, like, sample ads that I created.[00:40:19] Did you notice-[00:40:20] but have you, have you noticed that I always make one of the characters look like you?[00:40:24] Simone Collins: There’s a pattern.[00:40:25] Do you want me to wear the thin-rimmed glasses?[00:40:29] Malcolm Collins: No, just when you write for AI large circular glasses, that it does thin-rimmed.[00:40:33] Simone Collins: You, you say black circular thick-rimmed glasses, and for yours black rectangular thick-rimmed glasses. It’s very easy. However, you do not need to make it accurate. I have, I’ve also made, I’ve also made some for, for-[00:40:50] Malcolm Collins: You’ve made some where I’m one of the characters?[00:40:52] Simone Collins: No. No, no, no, no, no. I’ve, I’ve... No, because we’re not targeting people like me in the ads. I’ve made some based on my understanding of what is extremely popular. So.[00:41:02] Malcolm Collins: Send it, send them to me. I wanna see what, what you did. I gotta give you a rating. No.[00:41:07] Simone Collins: No, I’m gonna let our ad performance give me the rating.[00:41:11] ‘Cause also, you, you don’t have tastes that reflect mainstream interests, so. I mean, like, the most mainstream interests, which are very vanilla, pretty boring. No,[00:41:20] Malcolm Collins: I gotta do one of, like, a, an elf girl in chains being hit[00:41:24] Simone Collins: by[00:41:24] Malcolm Collins: somebody.[00:41:26] Simone Collins: I mean, maybe among base camp viewers that’s more normative, but like a- among your mainstream, like what gets the most views no.[00:41:36] No. Just look at Aella’s Big Kink Survey and just look at what actually is really popular. Well,[00:41:43] Malcolm Collins: yeah. Okay. You’ve also gotta think of what’s popular on gooner sites[00:41:49] Simone Collins: Yeah, sure. Yeah, and I guess someone who has to like, who wants to pay to make unique content. That’s fair.[00:41:59] Malcolm Collins: Yeah.[00:41:59] Simone Collins: Oh, God. Sorry, I just, yeah.[00:42:03] Anyway I[00:42:04] Malcolm Collins: thought- I do not think the ExoClick feature that tells you which ads are doing well and which ads are not doing well is very good, by the way.[00:42:12] Speaker 10: For context, , we’ve recently started running ad campaigns to promote, , the not safe for work video feature on the rfab.ai website. , And Simone and I are having disagreements about what types of videos people will click on, and we will see. We will see. She thinks people want super, super generic stuff[00:42:34] Speaker 11: I’m busy[00:42:45] Simone Collins: are we trying to head off losing the competition?[00:42:47] Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, I’m just telling you as-[00:42:49] Simone Collins: I[00:42:50] Malcolm Collins: see. Okay ... it has in the past with ads had, like, 0%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 99%.[00:42:58] I’m like, “So you didn’t even try the other ads?” It’s just like one ad sort of-[00:43:01] Simone Collins: No, it actually, it actually does try them. And it will occasionally flip some out. They fluctuate over time- Okay ... when it serves the most. So it, it, it has a smart enough system where if one ad gets kind of tired essentially, I’ve noticed that it will cycle it out which is interesting to me, and it will start feeding up ones that were less used.[00:43:19] So I’ve, I’ve, I’m glad I’ve introduced all new ad variants to test out more because people are getting tired of our old ones.[00:43:28] Malcolm Collins: Anyway,[00:43:30] Simone Collins: I really love you. People are weird. And[00:43:38] Malcolm Collins: stop advocating for your natural predators, guys. Like this-[00:43:42] Simone Collins: Communism, let’s not. Let’s... You gotta choose. Gayness. Well, no. See, like communism is also incom- incompatible, to your point with a lot of other things that we, we like, so yeah.[00:43:59] There [00:44:00] is a, there is one other thing though that I about capitalism that I think is quite broken that I wanna do a totally separate episode though on, and I don’t wanna- Oh,[00:44:08] Malcolm Collins: oh, what is it on? What is it?[00:44:09] Simone Collins: I don’t wanna talk with you about it until I do it ‘cause I wanna get your fresh thoughts on it instead of your tired old reaction having already heard this.[00:44:18] You know how it is with old couples where, like, you know that they’ve had the conversation already. You know that that, you know, that wife has told that story 10,000 times in front of the husband, and he’s just sit, he’s just sit through it like he’s been on, like, this one track ride so many times, and he doesn’t wanna get back on the haunted mansion ride, but he has to go back on the ha- haunted mansion ride, and it was fun the first 10,000 times but not the second 10,000 times.[00:44:41] I don’t wanna do that to you. Let’s, let’s keep it fresh. Yeah?[00:44:45] Malcolm Collins: Okay.[00:44:45] Simone Collins: Okay. Okay.[00:44:47] Malcolm Collins: Love[00:44:47] Simone Collins: you. You, you can always guess what it is though over dinner when- whenever you want to, whenever we chat.[00:44:51] Malcolm Collins: Doing a site update right now, by the way, with a bunch of improvements to not safe for work video generation, making it a lot cheaper to do.[00:44:58] Simone Collins: Oh, that’s good.[00:44:58] Malcolm Collins: By employing the new API that I found that’s basically a secret API which is so cool that I was able to get working[00:45:10] Mm. So I’m very excited about that. And Simone was playing around with it, and she’s like, “Oh, this is really good.”[00:45:13] Simone Collins: Yeah. I, I can see how it gets addictive, ‘cause it’s one of those, like, you don’t know what you’re gonna get, and it’s, like, really satisfying, but then that one thing’s off, and so you wanna try again, and yeah, yeah.[00:45:25] Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And as a reminder if you haven’t redownloaded the app in a while, the app for image viewing has been massively improved since it first launched. It’s, like, way more stable now, has way more features now. Mm. And if enough of you download it, apparently it will elude that stupid tag, like, this isn’t checked by Windows Defender or whatever.[00:45:44] Oh. Do you know that auto goes away after enough people use something?[00:45:47] Simone Collins: Really? Silly.[00:45:50] Malcolm Collins: It is quite silly. I... F*****g Windows.[00:45:53] Simone: Titan, do you wanna play hide and seek too?[00:45:55] Titan: Yeah.[00:45:56] Simone: Okay. One, two, 10. Ready or not, here I come. All right, Indy, do you think I can find them? Do you think I can find them? I’m gonna look around. I found you. Titan, I found you.[00:46:16] Girl. All right, now we have to find Octavian. Where could he be? Do you have any ideas?[00:46:23] Titan: He’s under[00:46:25] Simone: the black box. The black box? Yeah, yeah. No, I hear him yelling, I think. Oh, wait.[00:46:34] Oh, no, it’s moving. It’s alive. Oh, no. No.[00:46:46] You win, Octavian. That was very good. That was ve- And I was crawling under there ... I really, I thought maybe you were- I was crawling under there. I s- that was, yeah, that was very impressive.[00:46:55] Titan: No. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe