EPISODE · Feb 17, 2026 · 50 MIN
Why You Need Better Leads (Not More): The Patient Engagement Strategy Healthcare Is Missing
from What's Best For The Patient Is Best For Business · host Jerry Durham
In this episode of What's Best For The Patient Is Best For Business, Jerry welcomes Kevin Tims, founder and CEO of Tealeaf Health and 20-year healthcare data scientist, to discuss what happens when you stop chasing more leads and start building the kind of trust that brings better ones.This conversation starts in clinical trials—where pretty much every trial in the world fails at recruiting effectively, on time, and at a reasonable cost—and quickly becomes a masterclass in patient engagement strategy for healthcare practices of every kind.Kevin breaks down why digital ads are the "devil they know" for clinical trials and physical therapy alike: cheap to run, notoriously low ROI, and optimized for impressions instead of activation. His alternative is a platform built around trusted message and trusted messenger—finding who your very specific target audience already trusts (barbers, pastors, influencers, blogs), creating educational, patient-centric content that doesn't feel like an ad, and delivering it through those channels to reach the patients who aren't responding to campaigns.Jerry and Kevin explore why "I need more leads" is the wrong question in every corner of healthcare, why activation is not awareness, why readiness matters as much as need, and why marketing and sales are roommates who share a one-bedroom apartment and never stop talking. From a 380% increase in active leads for a fertility telehealth client using 10 posts to the argument that telehealth is fundamentally a right person, right place, right time access solver—this episode reframes patient engagement from a tactic to a philosophy.Key topics include: why digital ads are the devil they know for clinical trials and PT practices alike, trusted message + trusted messenger as the alternative to ad campaigns, finding where your target audience already interacts (barbers, pastors, influencers), why readiness matters as much as need, activation vs. awareness, telehealth as an access and triage solver, marketing and sales as roommates who need to communicate constantly, 380% lead increase using 10 educational posts, why impressions and views are the wrong metric, health literacy as the hidden conversion killer, and why patient engagement is the umbrella—not the tactic.If you're still running the same Facebook ads and wondering why the leads aren't converting, if you've ever said "I need more leads" when what you actually need is better ones, or if you're ready to build a model where patients arrive already trusting you—this conversation will change how you think about marketing forever.Key Takeaways:The Clinical Trials Problem Is the Same as the PT Practice ProblemAds Are the Devil They Know—And It ShowsTrusted Message + Trusted Messenger: The Alternative That Actually WorksBetter Leads, Not More LeadsActivation Is Not AwarenessTelehealth as the Right Person, Right Place, Right Time SolverMarketing and Sales Are Roommates Who Never Stop Talking380% in a Month with 10 Posts: The Force Multiplier MathHealth Literacy: The Hidden Conversion KillerPatient Engagement Is the Umbrella—Not the Tactic
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In this episode of What's Best For The Patient Is Best For Business, Jerry welcomes Kevin Tims, founder and CEO of Tealeaf Health and 20-year healthcare data scientist, to discuss what happens when you stop chasing more leads and start building the kind of trust that brings better ones. This conversation starts in clinical trials—where pretty much every trial in the world fails at recruiting effectively, on time, and at a reasonable cost—and quickly becomes a masterclass in patient engagemen...
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