A Science of Change
by Gilmore Crosby
Listen in as I range far and wide through lectures and interviews on how to change yourself, change your relationships, change your organization, and change the world! There is a science to change! Social Scientist Kurt Lewin created it! You can do it! We can do it together!
Episodes
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A Jamaican Leadership, Diversity, and Change leader
Listen in as Akasha Sawubona and I explore a wide range of topics, including leadership, diversity, and the interconnectedness of being human.
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OD Master Series: A Polish Akido, OD & Leadership Master
A far ranging conversation with my friend and colleague Przemek Gawroński. Przemek's unique blend of Akido into his OD and leadership/personal development practice (in turn based on the work of John Scherer) makes him a resource worth seeking.
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OD Master Series: Ilsa Duverney and the Caribbean Center for OD Excellence
Join Ilsa and I as we explore the world of OD, including the Caribbean Center for OD Excellence, or CARI-CODE, which she founded. Ilsa has always been a visionary, and her current vision is the application of OD to the recovery of Jamaica from Hurricane Melissa. In the spirit of Kurt Lewin that...
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A T-group comparison: The LIOS and DGGO (German Society for Group Dynamics) methods
My second interview of friend and colleague Monika Stuetzle-Hebel, who has hosted me twice to lead LIOS (Leadership Institute of Seattle) style T-groups in Germany. Listen in as we compare the two methodologies, from the history to the focus and process.
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The Chris March success formula
Kick off 2026 by listening in to this lively conversation between Australian leadeship coach Chris March and I. We covered a lot of territory, from his "Success" model of leadership to authority realtionships, followership, the problem with 360 feedback and anonymous surveys, the Interpersonal…
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Amos Balongo: The four pillars of leadership
I start my fourth year of podcasting with an exploration of leadership with Amos Balongo, an international speaker and leadership, life & communication coach. Website: https://amosbalongo.com/ Camp Ohana Foundation: https://campohana.org
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Christian Ray Flores: An immigrant ponders and appreciates America
Listen in as I chat with Christian Ray Flores, coach, entrepreneur, philanthropist, artist, and author, as he discusses his book and the thinking behind it, Little Book of Big Reasons to Love America: A Love Letter from an Immigrant. For me this was a welcome upbeat conversation about this…
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Episode 50: Chris Crosby interviews Robert Crosby about citizen engagement OD
Listen in as guest host Chris Crosby interviews our 97 year-old father, Robert Crosby, about his many citizen participation projects, just two weeks before dad and I present at the Organization Development Network's 2025 conference, in Spokane, Washington. Our presentation is on the 1984…
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Heartnomics: A conversation with OD professional Hanna Bauer
Hanna reached out to me and we had a lovely conversation about her approach to leadership and change in organizations.
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Nevalliance: Dr. Neva Alexander interviews Gilmore Crosby!
Listen in as I am the guest of Dr. Neva Alexander's Nevalliance podcast, or watch at https://www.youtube.com/@Nevalliance. Dr. Alexander posed some interesting questions and we covered a lot of ground in this lively 30 minute chat.
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An OD of love with my Uncle, Lew Frees
A conversation with my 89 year old Uncle, Lew Frees, who in partnership with his wife, Ann Frees has created a unique OD approach, one rooted in love and connection.
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Voice of a Leader: Paul Hinnenkamp COO (retired) - Intent versus Impact
Listen in as Paul and I discuss our 26 year long collaboration as he led in many situations, consistantly using OD to foster healthy group and organizational dynamics, and to hone his own leadership. The session ranges from our beginning at Peach Bottom Atomic Power Station, to his series of…
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Leadership, EQ, Groups: A conversation with Lee Povey
Listen in as Lee Povey and I get to know each other, while exploring a range of topics which we both apply in similar yet unique ways in our work with leaders, organizations, and groups.
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OD Master Series: An Estonian OD Jedi
A powerful chat with Elar Killumets, a bright and creative Estonian OD professional, friend, and colleague.
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Leadership and the Frontline Workforce: An AI podcast about my new book!
Listen in to an AI talk show on my latest book, Leadership and the Frontline Workforce: Lessons from the Targets of Change. This book is yet another labor of love, bringing to life the vision of my dearly departed friend and colleague Cotton Mears, as well as the stories of workers and bosses who...
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LIOS reborn: A conversation with LIOS President Chris Crosby
An exciting conversation with my brother Chris about the rebirth of the Leadership Institute of Seattle LIOS). Enrollment is open for Fall 2025 in this unique T-group based program, offering unparralleled learning and a masters degree in Leadership, Management, and Organization Development (MSLMOD).
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Spirituality and EQ: Another AI Deep Dive into one of my books
Listen in once again as my team of AI generated podcasters have an effective and lively discussion of my 2021 book Spirituality and Emotional Intelligence, which explores EQ by combining social science, neuroscience, and multi-cultural spiritual wisdom from throughout the ages.
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OD Master Series: An AI deep dive into Lewin and Planned Change
Listen in as a team of AI generated podcasters have an effective and lively discussion based on the introduction to my 2021 book Planned Change, which organizes Kurt Lewin's prolific writing into practical application for change in organizations and society.
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Diversity without Dogma Intro - A brief guest AI Podcast
Listen in as a team of AI generated podcasters have an effective and lively discussion based on the introduction to my 2023 Diversity without Dogma, which applies Lewinian social science to addressing racism and other social diseases.
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OD Master Series: An OD life begins during Lewin's final year
Listen in as Dr. David Jamieson, current Editor-in-Chief of the OD Review, Past President of NTL, past faculty in numerous OD programs, scholar and practitioner, explores his life as well as the past, present, and future of OD.
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OD Master Series: A visit from India
Dr. Joseph George Anjilvelil joins me in my home for a conversation that digs into his life journey into behavioral science, why I wrote my Lewin book, my next book topic of autocracy and democracy in the US, a critique of appreciative inquiry, the birth of the T-group, and other topics. Dr....
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OD Master Series: The creative journey of Dr. Nancy Zentis
Listen in to a friendly chat with Dr. Nancy Zentis, founder of the Institute of OD (IOD) and the Global Institute of OD (GIOD). Follow along as Nancy tells the story of her journey from her beginnings in OD to her present passionate teaching of and providing OD through her institutes. When you…
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Trans in the USA
Listen in as a friend and former student talks about his experience of growing up trans in the US, and the current scapegoating of the LGBTQ community. I add the frame of Lewinian social science to decry the authoritarian practice of picking on minorities (those with less power) for political…
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OD Master Series: German Social Science - Group Dynamics, T-groups, and Democracy
A far roaming chat with Dr. Monika Stützle-Hebel, of the DGGO, which in english is the German Society for Group Dynamics (of which you can learn more at https://www.dggo.de). Dr. Stützle-Hebel reached out after learning of my Lewin book, Planned Change, and I eagerly traveled to her in Munich in...
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OD Master Series: Understanding Lewin with Dr. Bernard Burnes
One of my favorite podcasts to date! I consider Dr. Burnes of the University of Stirling in Scotland as the preeminent Lewinian scholar alive today, and a wonderful source for understanding Lewin's social science and practical theories of change. If you have information for his upcoming book on...
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OD Master Series: History of T-groups with Robert P. Crosby
Another conversation with my father, Robert P. Crosby, drawing on his T-group experience which dates to 1953 with his first group leader Walter Holcomb, and followed soon after with trainers such as Lippitt, Bradford, and Benne. We explore the history of T-groups together, using the 1964 T-group...
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"Payne-ful" business: Moving forward by embracing the past
A conversation with Margaret Seidler, author of "Payne-ful" Business: Charleston's Journey to Truth. Ms. Seidler only recently became aware of her own family's deep involvlement in the African slave trade. She has chosen to bring her family story into the light of day, focusing her energy towards...
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Voice of a Leader: A plant manager meets a blue collar OD guy
Listen in to a heartfelt conversation with David Ledesma, the leader who used Cotton Mears at four different locations over a 20 year span. Learn about how and why he did so. This is also part of the View from a target series, which is material for my next book, about the power of engaging the...
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OD Master Series: Action Research guru Dick Schmuck
Join us as 88 year old OD sage Dick Schmuck recalls his first hand experiences with Lewin's inner circle, including Ronald Lippitt, Leland Bradford, and Ken Benne, as well as with my dad and with behavioral scientist John Wallen. We also discusses Schmuck's books and his unique approach to action...
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View from a Target - A union VP meets applied behavioral science
Listen in as Pat Roberson, former union VP and steward at the Alcoa Warrick Texarkana rolling mill, tells the story of his life as an hourly worker before and after Gil Crosby and his team conducted Lewinian OD in the East Texas plant.
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View from a Target - Blue collar OD guy - An electrician meets applied behavioral science
Listen in as Mark Horswood, former union stward and electrician at the Alcoa Warrick auluminum smelter tells the story of his life as an hourly worker before and after Gil Crosby and his team conducted Lewinian OD in the Indiana plant.
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Facilitating Democracy: Exploring citizen engagement methods with Dr. Rosa Zubizarreta
Join us as we describe and convey many models of citizen engagement, and related topics.
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OD Master Series: An exploration of spirituality and OD with John Scherer
OD elder, LIOS origoinal faculty, and Lutheran pastor John Scherer talks about the spiritual nature of his work, and shares his considerable knowledge of religion with host Gilmore Crosby.
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OD Master Series: Exploring my father's connections to Lewin's inner circle
A conversation with my father, Robert P. Crosby, about the roots of his OD and the connections to Lewin, such as Lippitt, Bradford, and Benne. The conversation took unexpected twists and turns, and includes wisdom about change, love, and other matters.
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Voice of a Leader: A conversation with Jerome Maxwell, former Managing Director of the Jamalco bauxite refinery
Listen in as Jerome Maxwell, the first Jamaican Managing Director of the Jamalco bauxite refinery, recalls the steps he took to lead Jamalco in the right direction, including his 14 year collaboration with Gil Crosby to develop and engage the organization in the quest to raise performance to a...
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Lewin, Change, and Democracy
Lewinian social science is comprehensive (applying to situations large and small, inside and outside of organizations), but it is also simple. For example, Lewin found that if the people facing a problem, through dialgue with their peers, come up with their own solutions, the odds of…
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Seishindo: A conversation with Charlie Badenhop
How to describe Charlie and his unique Eastern-Western perspective? The following, from his book, is a description in his own words: If I had to use just one word to describe myself and my background, it would be eclectic. My life and my work have evolved through studying with many fine teachers...
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Diversity without Dogma (Chapter 2): Kurt Lewin and Racism
Join me as we cover the social science of Kurt Lewin and it's application to racism as described in chapter two of my most recent book, Diversity without Dogma. Learn Lewin's theory and methods about change inside and outside or organizaions! Take action! The battle between democracy and...
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CRT and Related Topics with Dr. Rodney Coates
A fearless conversaiton about education, about race, about what divides us in the US, about democracy versus authoritarianism, about the Middle East, and more!
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OD Master Series: Design and Facilitation of Non-Traditional OD such as Citizens Involvement and Social Change
95 year old Lewinian OD Master Robert P. Crosby joins us again to discuss non-tradtional OD interventions he designed and facilitated, including citizens involvement in HUD block grant decision making, the Riverfront Park Project for the city of Spokane, and the construction of a new juvinile…
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Diversity without Dogma: Accuracy about history - Denial is poison (chapter 5)
In honor of Black History Month I skipped other chapters in my Diveristy without Dogma book and went directly to the chapter on history, which mostly is focused on the history of racism in the US. Please note that this chapter is only one elelment in a much larger social science framework for how...
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Part Two of a Family Systems, Family of Origin Interview Demo, with my father, Robert P. Crosby
Family of Origin work is an important part of my colleagues and my leadership development methodology. This two part podcast explains that in more detail and then, using interview questions created by Brenda Kerr Minno, I demonstrate a Family of Origin interview by conducting one with my 95yo...
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Part One of a Family Systems, Family of Origin Interview Demo, with my father, Robert P. Crosby
Family of Origin work is an important part of my colleagues and my leadership development methodology. This two part podcast explains that in more detail and then using interview questions created by Brenda Kerr Minno, I demonstrate a Family of Origin interview by conducting one with my 95yo father.
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Family Matters: A conversation with my cousin, social scientist Greg Crosby
A far ranging and lively conversation with Greg Crosby, an internationally renowned speaker and social scientist.
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Creating Common Ground with Peter Altschul: Elephants, Disabilities and DEI...Oh My!
A conversation with OD practitioner and author Peter Altschul who provides a rich and unique perspective on DEI, disabilities, emotional intelligence, and life.
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A conversation with Kurt Lewin's grandson, Michael Papanek
Michael Papanek joins us to talk about his grandfather's theories and life, as well as his own unique approach to business consulting and coaching.
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Emotional Intelligence - Crosby Style
Gilmore Crosby explores Emotional Intelligence as described in his book, Spirituality and Emotional Intelligence. The Crosby EQ model discussed here uniquely integrates individual and systems thinking, and is a foundational element in the author's leadership and organization development work.
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OD Master Series: Wiser at Work with LIOS original faculty Dr. John Scherer
Gil Crosby interviews Dr. John Scherer about how he became part of the original faculty and a creative force within the Leadership Institute of Spokane/Seattle (LIOS), the world's first T-group based OD graduate program. After his 9 years with LIOS John went on to create his own unique approach…
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Lewin in a Nutshell: A Scientific Method of Change
Gilmore Crosby talks about the change methods of Kurt Lewin, using his 2022 publication, "A Scientific Method of Change," (OD Review, Vol 54, No.3).
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OD Master Series: Learning from the inside-out with LIOS original faculty Dr. Ron Short
Gil Crosby interviews Dr. Ron Short about the creation of the Leadership Institute of Seattle (LIOS), a T-group based OD graduate program. Ron has known Gil since Gil's early teens, and describes how LIOS was brought into being in part during a conversation under the plum tree in Gil's childhood...
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Listen in as I range far and wide through lectures and interviews on how to change yourself, change your relationships, change your organization, and change the world! There is a science to change! Social Scientist Kurt Lewin created it! You can do it! We can do it together!
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