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B2B Marketing Pint
by Brendan Ziolo & Brian O'Grady
𝐓𝐚𝐩 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐅𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐡 𝐈𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐁𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐧 & 𝐁𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧𝘉2𝘉 𝘔𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘗𝘪𝘯𝘵 is the compact podcast for B2B technology marketers looking to sharpen their competitive edge.Hosted by marketing veterans 𝐁𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐎'𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐲 and 𝐁𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐧 𝐙𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐨—with decades of experience across scale-ups and Fortune 50s—the show delivers practical takeaways that cut through the smoke and mirrors.🎙 Join Brian & Brendan and their lineup of accomplished B2B guests as they explore what’s working, what’s not, and why. Expect sharp conversations on topics like branding, content, and demand gen—infused with smart remarks and better insights.🧠 Whether you're prepping for your next big meeting or just thirsty for fresh thinking, grab a quick pint of B2B marketing insight.👉 www.b2bmarketingpint.com [https://www.b2bmarketingpint.com/]🔗 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/b2bmarketingpint]👍 Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/61574799997007]📸 Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/b2bmarketingpint/]▶️ YouTube [https://www.youtube.
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The 90/10 Rule The Drives Content Results
In this episode, Brendan and Brian sit down with Cassie Aite (Hoppier, PostBeam AI) to unpack the real driver behind content success: the 90/10 rule.After years of trial, error, and wasted spend, Cassie shares why 90% of content performance comes from planning—not execution—and how most B2B teams get this completely backwards. From early SEO missteps to building a blog that peaked at roughly 80,000 monthly visitors, he breaks down what actually works today—and what doesn’t anymore.The conversation goes deep on the shift from traffic to revenue-focused content, why AI and Google are changing the game, and how fewer, higher-quality pieces now outperform volume plays. You’ll also hear why LinkedIn, YouTube, and owned content are non-negotiable—and how to find your “content-market fit” through disciplined testing.If you’re still chasing impressions, this episode will reset your thinking. If you want content that drives pipeline, this is your playbook.Key topics: The 90/10 rule of content planning vs execution Why traffic is down but lead quality is up Content strategy in an AI-first search world Finding your content-market fit through repetition The myth of needing a large audience to win
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Humour in B2B Marketing?
In this episode of B2B Marketing Pint, Brendan & Brian sit down with Jim Shields—award-winning filmmaker, storyteller, and the creative force behind The Inside Man and Restricted Intelligence—to unpack what B2B marketers can learn from entertainment.Jim has spent decades proving a simple point: people don’t stop being human at work. And yet, most B2B marketing still plays it safe, leading with information instead of connection.This conversation digs into why that approach fails—and what to do instead.You’ll hear how storytelling, humour, and character-driven content can cut through crowded markets, create emotional connection, and ultimately drive better marketing outcomes. Jim also shares how to sell bold creative ideas internally, avoid “watered-down” content, and build campaigns that audiences actually want to watch.If your marketing feels like it’s blending in instead of standing out, this episode will challenge how you think about content—and what it takes to make people care.
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The AI Lie: Volume Isn't Revenue
Crack open one of the biggest misconceptions in AI-driven marketing: more output does not mean more revenue.Brendan and Brian sit down with Karla Congson, CEO & CTO of Agentive, to cut through the hype and get real about how AI is actually impacting B2B marketing performance today.They dig into what real ROI from AI looks like, how to measure it in terms your CFO will care about, and why time savings is only half the story. From pipeline velocity to reducing costly mistakes, this conversation reframes AI as a strategic lever—not just a production tool.Karla also tackles a few uncomfortable truths: Why “AI will replace marketers” is a dangerous myth How poor governance creates risk, not speed And why over-reliance on AI can quietly erode critical thinking across your teamIf you’re a marketing leader trying to scale results without scaling spend, this episode gives you a playbook: use AI to raise your floor, not lower your ceiling.Because in B2B marketing, volume is easy. Revenue is harder—and that’s where the real work begins.
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How Do B2B Buyers Behave? Behavioral Science for Marketers
What really drives B2B buying decisions? In this episode of B2B Marketing Pint, Brendan Ziolo and Brian O’Grady sit down with behavioral scientist Pauline Kabitsis to unpack how behavioral science can help marketers build better campaigns, landing pages, onboarding flows, and product experiences.Pauline explains why context matters more than generic best practices, why too much information often hurts performance, and how the best marketers stay focused on one key behavior at a time. The conversation also explores where AI is helping marketers, where it is creating more clutter, and why a little friction can sometimes increase perceived value instead of killing conversion.If you market to humans making high-stakes business decisions, this episode is a useful reminder: B2B buyers are still people. Their choices are shaped by attention, risk, trust, effort, and emotion, just like any other buyer.Expect practical examples, smart debate, and a myth-busting finish that challenges the idea that B2B marketing plays by a completely different set of rules.
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Deliver Boxes. Deliver Pipeline: How Gifting Drives B2B Revenue
Direct mail isn't dead. It's back and it's smarter.In the Season 2 premiere of B2B Marketing Pint, we’re joined by Kris Rudeegraap, Co-Founder and CEO of Sendoso, to break down why gifting and direct mail are showing up again in serious B2B demand gen programs — and why it’s not your grandparents’ mail campaign.We cover what’s driving the comeback (rising ad costs, crowded inboxes, shrinking email response rates), the best-performing use cases (SDR meeting-booking, ABM buying committees, demo show-rate boosts, customer expansion), and the biggest ways teams screw it up (hello, spray-and-pray).Kris also shares how AI is changing the game with better targeting, address data, personalization, and the move toward always-on, automated sending—more like an ad platform, but physical. If you want pipeline without just throwing more money at clicks, this one’s for you.
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Your Emails Don't Suck—Your System Does
🎙️Is email dead? Not even close. In this final pour of Season 1, Brian and Brendan sit down with Pierce Ujjainwala, co-founder of Knak, to unravel the persistent myths and modern complexities of email marketing in 2025.Pierce breaks down why emails aren’t the problem—it's the bloated systems and legacy workflows slowing marketers down. From HTML headaches and rendering nightmares to the overengineering trap enterprises fall into, we dig into why even today, marketers still struggle to send a decent email. And yeah—we talk AI, creative copy, and why good subject lines are worth their weight in gold.The conversation flows naturally in part because it's hosted in Knak's own speakeasy, with its own beer, and in part because Pierce, Brendan and Brian like to have a good time. If you’ve ever had to fight a template to get a campaign out the door, this one’s for you.
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It's called Go-to-Market for a Reason: Let's Get Out of the Office
Crack open a Guinness with Peter Meyers, founder of Portage Sales, to discuss go-to-market strategy that actually delivers. From the importance of sales and marketing alignment to practical AI adoption tips, Peter shares what separates top-performing sales leaders from the rest. We also cover how to escape planning theatre, avoid random acts of marketing, and why building momentum matters more than perfection. And yes—we talk beer, leadership, and the myth that marketing is optional. Spoiler: it’s not.Whether you're refreshing your GTM playbook or looking to bridge the sales-marketing gap, this pint is packed with actionable insights and a...Molson Canadian???
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🎧Earned Media or Bust: Why PR Beats Paid in the Long Term
Brian and Brendan crack a cold one with PR powerhouse Cathy Summers, who brings 20+ years of Silicon Valley media savvy to the table.They dig into why earned media still matters in a world dominated by Google, LinkedIn, and AI-powered ad platforms. From building credibility to lasting search visibility, Cathy explains how PR can out-punch paid when it's done right—and when it really isn't worth a press release.You’ll learn: Why the best PR starts with story, not spin How AI and SEO now depend on earned content When a press release doesn't make sense Why the trades still matter—and how to use them strategically The myth that “any press is good press” (spoiler: it’s not)Whether you're planning your next campaign or trying to stay out of PR trouble, this episode has the insights B2B marketers need to scale smart.
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🌍 Marketing with a Mission: How to Make a Clean Break
What happens when a seasoned B2B tech marketer follows her passion into climate tech?In this episode of B2B Marketing Pint, Brendan & Brian connect with MYNO Carbon's Chief Revenue Officer, Amy Campbell. From leading campaigns at Nokia to championing carbon removal, Amy shares her story of making a bold career pivot—leaving big telecom for a mission-driven career that pursues her passion.They dive into: Why Amy traded telecom for climate tech How she navigated the leap into a new industry The scrappy, startup approach to marketing with limited budgets Building markets vs. competing in mature ones Cooperative marketing (even with competitors) The reality of aligning passion with performanceIf you’ve ever wondered whether you can pursue your passion & your marketing career—this one’s for you.🍹 Also, Amy breaks the beer streak and brings a peach vodka seltzer to the pint table. Unorthodox but we'll allow it!
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When You Have AI, Who Needs a Dashboard?
Brendan & Brian open a pint with Allan Wille, co-founder & CEO of Klipfolio, to talk dashboards, data, & decision-making in the age of AI. From their shared roots in SaaS to a lively debate on whether dashboards are obsolete, this episode dives into what makes a dashboard actually useful—and why definitions matter more than ever. Plus, we explore the role of visualization and why dashboards deserve a spot on your screen. Bonus: the gang proposes the mysterious "Brendan Metric", Brian sips local suds in Sudbury, and Muskoka Brewery gets a cameo.
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🎙️Demand Gen Across Borders: How to Scale with AI, Partners & Competitors Too 🌍
From Fortune 50 boardrooms to scrappy startup scrums, Santosh Kumar has seen what works—and what flops—when it comes to scaling demand gen across time zones. In this episode, he joins Brian and Brendan for a cross-continental conversation on: Why your U.S. playbook won’t work in Vietnam What demand gen looks like when partners—and even competitors—join the effort Why startups can be too agile, and enterprises not agile enough AI: Who has the edge—startups or giants like IBM? The #1 mistake in global marketing (and what to do instead)This one's full of practical, field-tested advice. Whether you're navigating APAC or North America, grab your coffee (or tequila?) and learn how to make demand gen work across borders.
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🎙️Sales Therapy: Fixing the Founder-to-Funnel Gap
📄Is your founder-led sales approach hitting a wall? You're not alone. In this episode of B2B Marketing Pint, Brian and Brendan sit down with Craig Heward—founder of the Sales Mentor Collective—to explore the often messy transition from founder-led sales to a scalable, repeatable revenue engine.Expect candid conversation (and a few cold ones) as we unpack: Why most founders wait too long to hire real sales help How to spot whether you need a hunter, closer, or something in between What you must write down before scaling sales (spoiler: it’s more than you think) How to stop the finger-pointing between marketing and sales Plus, Craig’s take on the biggest myth about salespeopleGrab a pint and join us for some revenue therapy. Because scaling sales isn't magic—it's process, patience, and a pint of honesty.
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🎙️Product Marketing: The Glue Holding Tech Together
📄How do you make product marketing work in a B2B tech company?In episode 3, we’re joined by Wendy Moore—VP of Marketing at Martello Technologies and longtime tech marketing pro. We unpack the reality of product marketing beyond the buzzwords. What skills matter most? Why do some product marketers succeed while others flame out? And what’s the biggest myth that drives Wendy nuts?You’ll learn Why product messaging is your #1 differentiator How to enable sales without being their crutch Why consumption pricing flopped (and how they fixed it) How to spot and grow product marketing talent What most people still get wrong about the roleWhether you're in marketing, sales, or product, this one helps you understand how product marketing works when it’s done right.Fresh content poured for you by Brendan Ziolo (Zinc Marketing) and Brian O’Grady (Search Warrant): crack a pint and join us for some sharp ideas and smarter strategy.
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Hire? Outsource? Or AI?: How & When to Build Your Marketing Team's Skillset
Which roles do you hire, what skills can you outsource, and when can AI fill the gap? Building a modern marketing team demands smart calls on how and when to scale your team—without blowing your budget.In episode 2 of B2B Marketing Pint, Brendan and Brian crack a cold one with marketing leader Heather Ritchie who shares hard-earned insights from her time leading teams at global giants like Nokia and scrappy startups too. You’ll learn:– The must-have hire for early-stage teams– What skills to outsource—and how to avoid common traps– How AI is reshaping hiring and team design– What to prioritize when budgets are tight– Heather’s top 3 hiring mistakes—and what she learnedWhether you're building your B2B marketing team from scratch or planning to scale, this episode brings clarity (and a bit of comic relief).👉 Subscribe for your bi-weekly dose of high-proof B2B strategy, straight from the pint glass.
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🎙️The 3 Talents Every B2B Marketer Needs
📝In this kickoff episode of "B2B Marketing Pint", Brian and Brendan crack open a zero-proof brew with veteran tech marketer John Blackmore to explore his "three-talent triangle" for modern marketing: the storyteller, the mathematician, and the psychologist. You’ll hear how great marketers blend narrative, data, and human insight—and why most fall short. From web heatmaps to cognitive dissonance, John unpacks practical examples and valuable 'A Ha' moments. Expect a sharp pour of stories, wit, and ideas for B2B tech pros who want something new for their next meeting—and the market.
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Your B2B Marketing Pint: Official Trailer!
🎧 𝗪𝗲𝗹𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗕𝟮𝗕 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗸𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗣𝗶𝗻𝘁 — 𝗬𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗦𝗵𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗰𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗦𝗺𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗕𝟮𝗕 𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗸𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴We’re Brendan Ziolo and Brian O’Grady — two B2B marketing vets with 50+ years of combined experience helping tech companies scale. In this quick trailer, get a taste of what’s on tap: hot takes, practical advice, and no-BS conversations about what’s working in marketing today.From branding to demand gen, we crack open sharp ideas with guests who’ve been in the trenches. Whether you’ve got 20 minutes on your commute or time for a quick pint, you’ll leave smarter — and maybe with a laugh or two.Subscribe now: we tap the first episode shortly...
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𝐓𝐚𝐩 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐅𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐡 𝐈𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐁𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐧 & 𝐁𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧𝘉2𝘉 𝘔𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘗𝘪𝘯𝘵 is the compact podcast for B2B technology marketers looking to sharpen their competitive edge.Hosted by marketing veterans 𝐁𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐎'𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐲 and 𝐁𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐧 𝐙𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐨—with decades of experience across scale-ups and Fortune 50s—the show delivers practical takeaways that cut through the smoke and mirrors.🎙 Join Brian & Brendan and their lineup of accomplished B2B guests as they explore what’s working, what’s not, and why. Expect sharp conversations on topics like branding, content, and demand gen—infused with smart remarks and better insights.🧠 Whether you're prepping for your next big meeting or just thirsty for fresh thinking, grab a quick pint of B2B marketing insight.👉 www.b2bmarketingpint.com [https://www.b2bmarketingpint.com/]🔗 LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/b2bmarketingpint]👍 Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/61574799997007]📸 Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/b2bmarketingpint/]▶️ YouTube [https://www.youtube.
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