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Both Sides of the Aisle
by Natalie Gochnour, Shireen Ghorbani, John Dougall
Both Sides of the Aisle is a weekly debate over politics, policy and current issues facing the state of Utah, featuring voices representing the Right, the Center, and the Left.Representing Right is State Auditor John Dougall (R), on the Left is former Salt Lake County Councilwoman Shireen Ghorbani (D), and speaking for the “common sense middle” is Natalie Gochnour, an associate dean in the David Eccles School of Business and director of the Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute at the University of Utah. The show is produced by Anthony Scoma.Both Sides of the Aisle attempts to help you understand the important questions facing residents of this state, while proving that Republicans and Democrats can sit in a small room and have a meaningful conversation.
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King Charles III, Box Elder County data center, and the Utah Supreme Court
Our hosts discuss the Republican Party's political strategy going into the midterm elections, the demise of Spirit Airlines, and the battle over a 63 square mile data center in Box Elder County.
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Attempted assassination, gerrymandering, and Utah party conventions
Our hosts discuss the failed assassination attempt on President Trump at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, the Democratic gerrymander of Virginia, and the results from the political party conventions in Utah.
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Global economic shocks, measles, and Utah's congressional campaigns
Our hosts discuss Congress' rejection of a war powers resolution on Iran, growing transmission rates of measles in Utah, and how past online comments may derail Utah Sen. Nate Blouin's campaign for Congress.
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Naval blockades, Pope Leo, and Utah congressional races
Our hosts discuss the U.S. Navy beginning patrols in the Strait of Hormuz, President Trump's online fight with Pope Leo XIV, and updates from Utah's congressional campaigns.
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Iran ceasefire, 25th Amendment, and the next US attorney general
Our hosts discuss the fragile U.S.-Iran ceasefire, calls for invoking the 25th Amendment, and whether Sen. Mike Lee will be picked as U.S. attorney general.
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Vote by mail, Iran war address, and the U.S. Forest Service in Utah
Our hosts discuss the Supreme Court hearing oral argument on birthright citizenship, President Trump's Iran war address to the nation, and the judge halting Trump's White House ballroom construction.
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Global price hikes, Utah voter data, and the future of Prop 4
Our hosts discuss how war in the Middle East is driving up fuel and fertilizer prices, airport delays across the country, and the withdrawal of signatures from the Prop 4 repeal effort.
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The Strait of Hormuz, the SAVE Act, and ICE in SLC
Our hosts discuss Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz, the SAVE Act in the Senate, and ICE's purchase of a warehouse in Salt Lake City.
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War with Iran and the end of Utah's 2026 legislative session
Our hosts discuss the escalating war in the Middle East, its political impact in the U.S., and what bills the Utah Legislature passed in the 2026 general session.
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Utah State Auditor Tina Cannon
Shireen and John sit down with Utah's first female state auditor to discuss her political principles, the work of the auditor's office, and how to increase transparency in local and state government.
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Iran, Board of Peace, tariff ruling, and Prop 4 repeal efforts
Our hosts discuss the U.S.-Iran nuclear talks, the increase in U.S. forces around Iran, President Trump's Board of Peace, and the Supreme Court's ruling on Trump's tariff powers.
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Utah's 2027 budget recommendations with Sophia DiCaro
Shireen Ghorbani sits down with Sophia DiCaro to discuss the governor's proposals for Utah's 2027 budget.
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Winter Olympics, Super Bowl halftime, and Utah Supreme Court expansion
Our hosts discuss the Olympics, the Super Bowl, the University of Utah’s new $4.5 million statue, data centers, and the expansion of the Utah Supreme Court.
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Steve Waldrip, senior advisor for housing strategy and innovation
Natalie and Shireen sit down with the senior advisor on housing for Gov. Cox to discuss how the state hopes to house more Utahns.
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Erosion of global institutions, DHS, and the State of the State
Our hosts discuss the fraying of world order, problems with the Department of Homeland Security, and whether U.S. citizens' rights are still unalienable after 250 years.
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President Trump's first year and the 2026 Utah Legislative Session
Our hosts discuss their biggest surprises in the first year since Trump's inauguration, Trump's letter to the Norwegian prime minister, and the start of the Utah legislative session.
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Trump's foreign policy and the fatal Minnesota ICE shooting
Our hosts discuss President Trump's agenda in Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela, and the circumstances that led to an ICE agent killing a Minnesota woman.
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Venezuela, the 'Donroe Doctrine,' and the new year ahead
Our hosts discuss the U.S. removal of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro and what this means for the future of both countries.
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Utah Gov. Gary Herbert
Shireen and Natalie chat with the former Utah governor about his life, lessons from his time in politics, and why he believes Utah is an example for the nation.
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Utah's top challenges and opportunities
Our hosts discuss the most significant challenges and opportunities facing the state of Utah at the close of 2025.
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Utah Reps. Tyler Clancy and Grant Miller
Shireen Ghorbani is joined by Utah Reps. Tyler Clancy and Grant Miller for an in-depth discussion of the contributors and potential solutions to homelessness.
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Utah Rep. Doug Owens
Shireen and Natalie talk to Utah Rep. Doug Owens about bipartisan congressional representation, the cascading benefits of Utah's public lands, and the necessary steps to save the Great Salt Lake.
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Trump administration controversies, future U.S. representation, and the 2034 Olympics
Our hosts discuss recent controversial actions taken by the Trump administration, how current members of Congress will adapt to the new Utah maps, and the new Utah branding of the 2034 Olympic Games.
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Shutdown post-mortem, Epstein's emails, and the future population of Utah
Our hosts discuss the longest U.S. government shutdown in history, the political fallout from Jeffrey Epstein's emails, and the controversy brewing over cloud seeding.
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New congressional districts and the Utah Legislature's appeal prospect
Our hosts discuss the potential constitutional crisis and political opportunities stemming from Judge Gibson's Nov. 10th ruling that tossed the Legislature's preferred map out on grounds of 'extreme' gerrymander.
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2025 election results, tariffs, and detention facilities coming to Utah
Our hosts discuss the politics of the election day victors, SCOTUS hearing a case concerning the Trump tariff regime, and predict when the federal government shutdown will come to an end.
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Canadian trade talks, federal food benefits, and defining fairness
Our hosts discuss why Trump halted trade negotiations with Canada, how the federal government shutdown will affect national food insecurity, and which party will pick Utah Rep. Daniel Thatcher's replacement.
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Argentina bailout, No Kings protests, and expanding the Utah Supreme Court
Our hosts discuss the $40 billion U.S. bailout of Argentina, record-breaking attendance at No Kings protests, and Gov. Cox's thoughts on packing the Utah Supreme Court.
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International affairs, President Trump, and 'partisan symmetry'
Our hosts discuss the escalating trade war with China, U.S. bombing ships in the Caribbean, the Gaza ceasefire deal, and how Judge Gibson will evaluate Utah congressional maps.
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Shutdown politics, judicial pushback, and new Utah congressional maps
Our hosts discuss how the federal government could avoid future shutdowns, the national and state fight over university funding, and how new Utah electoral maps could reshape state politics.
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Federal shutdown, new military policies, and a tragic week for the LDS faith
Our hosts discuss the economic and local impacts of the federal government shutdown, what President Trump told top military leaders, and the passing of LDS President Russell M. Nelson.
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Censorship, food insecurity, and vaccination eligibility
John Dougall and Shireen Ghorbani discuss the FCC chair's threat to late-night host Jimmy Kimmel, the chilling effect on speech, and the cancellation of the federal report on national food insecurity.
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Charlie Kirk, political violence, and the Utah Supreme Court
Our hosts discuss the murder of Charlie Kirk in Utah, how we improve our political divisions, and the Utah Supreme Court's rejection of retaining existing congressional maps.
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Vaccines, the Second Amendment, and the Utah Supreme Court
Our hosts discuss HHS Sec. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s combative Congressional hearing, vaccine mandates, and a proposed ban on gun ownership for transgender people.
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Domestic violence, crime, isolationism, and Utah congressional maps
Our hosts discuss domestic violence and its link to Utah homicides, the international coalition forming against U.S. tariffs, and how and when Utah will redraw its congressional seats.
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The national fight over redistricting and the Utah judiciary
Our hosts discuss medical research funding, Gov. Newsom's internet trolling, the ongoing fight over Utah congressional maps, and the future of mail-in voting.
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Alaska summit, the Smithsonian Institution, and energy permitting
Our hosts discuss Russia, NATO, United States history, and who controls the balance of power in Washington, D.C.
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Trump, municipal primaries, toxic dust, and Ty Burrell
Our hosts discuss Trump's meeting with Putin in Alaska, how ranked-choice voting works, and what is necessary to save the Great Salt Lake.
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Tariffs, unemployment, public broadcasting, and gerrymandering
Our hosts discuss the firing of the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the redistricting showdown in Texas, and how tariffs impact Utah's bid for global commerce.
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Sophia DiCaro and the Utah state budget
Natalie Gochnour and Shireen Ghorbani interview Sophia DiCaro, the executive director of the Utah Governor’s Office of Planning and Budget.
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Utah trivia, triumphs, and challenges
Our hosts celebrate Pioneer Day with a discussion of Utah facts, novel achievements, and its biggest struggles as a state.
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Salt Lake City Mayor Erin Mendenhall
Natalie Gochnour and Shireen Ghorbani interview Erin Mendenhall, Mayor of Salt Lake City.
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Texas floods, America Party, federal injunctions, and public education
Our hosts discuss the lack of flood warnings in Texas, the Supreme Court's curbing of lower courts' injunctive powers, and cuts to Utah's education programs.
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International uncertainty, the Senate's budget bill, and Utah drought
Our hosts discuss the long-term consequences of U.S. policy in the Middle East, the tie-breaking Senate budget vote, and state water pricing.
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Iran, the U.S. Constitution's war powers, and federal public lands
John Dougall and Shireen Ghorbani discuss the U.S. bombing of Iran, Utah's public lands, and the 2026 veto referendum on public sector bargaining.
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Israel and Iran, No Kings Day protests, and the Minnesota assassin
Our hosts discuss the missile strikes in Tel Aviv and Tehran, the tragic death of Arthur Folasa Ah Loo, and Sen. Mike Lee's social media firestorm.
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LA protests, the Trump-Musk feud, tax policy, and Utah's children
Our hosts discuss the domestic deployment of U.S. Marines, weakening public health institutions, and the logic behind trickle-down economics.
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Gazan children, Senate budget deliberations, NEPA, and Utah Pride
Our hosts discuss what they hope to see in the Senate budget, SCOTUS siding with Utah on an oil rail line, and how Utahns navigate Pride month.
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The House's budget, Trump's memecoin dinner, and student visas
Our hosts discuss the 'Big Beautiful Bill,' the phase-out of pennies, religious school funding, Cox's message to Trump, and Utah's tourism industry.
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Russia, Qatar, the Utah GOP convention, and obscenity
Our hosts discuss Trump's trip to the Middle East, his endorsement of the Utah GOP chair, and allegations of insider trading within the presidential cabinet.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Both Sides of the Aisle is a weekly debate over politics, policy and current issues facing the state of Utah, featuring voices representing the Right, the Center, and the Left.Representing Right is State Auditor John Dougall (R), on the Left is former Salt Lake County Councilwoman Shireen Ghorbani (D), and speaking for the “common sense middle” is Natalie Gochnour, an associate dean in the David Eccles School of Business and director of the Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute at the University of Utah. The show is produced by Anthony Scoma.Both Sides of the Aisle attempts to help you understand the important questions facing residents of this state, while proving that Republicans and Democrats can sit in a small room and have a meaningful conversation.
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Natalie Gochnour, Shireen Ghorbani, John Dougall
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