Colour-Full Podcast

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Colour-Full Podcast

Meet Sena and Stacy; inter-generational, inter-racial besties on a mission to make uncomfortable conversations about race, privilege and identity mainstream. Expect challenging perspectives, thought-provoking questions, laughs, kiki moments and chats over red-painted nails. Join us as we unpack the personal stories that shaped us and the role that empathetic curiosity plays in shaping our future.

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    Slave Masters Captured the Mind: Prof Bonang Mohale on Apartheid, State Capture, & SA's Reality

    In this powerful episode of Colour-Full, Senamile Zungu sits down with Prof Bonang Mohale — respected business leader, former Chancellor of the University of the Free State, and advocate for ethical leadership — to unpack South Africa’s journey 31 years into democracy.At the heart of the conversation is a confronting truth: slave masters understood that to control people, you first have to capture the mind — a legacy that still shapes how we see ourselves, our history, and our potential today. Prof Mohale reflects on the lasting impact of apartheid, the failures of transformation, and why poverty in South Africa still has a Black, feminine, and rural face. He challenges the myth that poverty is about laziness, arguing instead that many are in office, but not in power.The episode also tackles state capture and corruption, and how they have inhibited economic progress, deepened inequality, and delayed the promise of freedom. From reclaiming African stories to advocating for Ubuntu economics and intergenerational dialogue, this conversation is both a reality check and a call to action.If you care about South Africa’s future, this is a conversation you can’t ignore.

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    From First Episode Fears to Global Listeners: Celebrating 2 Years of Colour-Full

    In this very special birthday episode of Colour-Full, hosts Senamile Zungu and Stacy Saggers pull back the curtain on the friendship, mess, meaning, and magic that built this podcast.We’re celebrating two years by doing what we do best: talking about everything. From the very first episode fears, to the implicit trust that makes these conversations possible, to how two women from different generations somehow meet in the middle. This episode is a love letter to growth, honesty, and being seen trying.We get personal about motherhood, dating, adoption, mental health, grief, and the life moments that quietly (and sometimes loudly) change the course of who we become. We reflect on what propelled us to start this podcast, the behind-the-scenes chaos you never see, and why we proudly describe ourselves as Hendrik Verwoerd’s worst nightmare.

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    Culture Deep Dive: Misogyny, the "Male Loneliness Epidemic" & Gen Z with Lethabo Maluke

    In this Culture Deep Dive episode of Colour-Full, hosts Senamile Zungu and Stacy Jayne Saggers sit down with Gen Z cultural thinker and content creator Lethabo Maluke for a raw and necessary conversation about misogyny, the male loneliness epidemic, and what it means to be a young person online today.Together, they unpack how misogyny thrives on social media, why abusive men are often given the benefit of the doubt, and how women in leadership continue to face double standards for taking up space. Lethabo challenges the expectation that women must adopt masculine traits to be respected, interrogating how femininity is still devalued in public and professional life.

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    Rest as Resistance: The Strong Black Woman Archetype, Burnout and Recovery

    Content note: This episode includes vulnerable discussions around mental health, burnout, self-harm, heartbreak, and recovery. Listener discretion is advised.In this episode of Colour-Full, we explore rest as resistance through a deeply honest conversation about the Strong Black Woman (Imbokodo) archetype, the cost of self-abandonment, and the role of radical self-love in mental health recovery. Sena joined by Life Coach Khanyi and researcher Tšhegofatšo Ndabane to unpack how Black women are socialised into strength, endurance, and self-sacrifice — often at the expense of rest, boundaries, and emotional well-being. 

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    From the Cape Flats to Global Stages: Dope Saint Jude on Music & Belonging

    In this episode of Colour-Full, we sit down with Dope Saint Jude, the Cape Town–based rapper and cultural disruptor whose music challenges everything South Africa is uncomfortable naming: race, queerness, belonging and power.

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    "I shock and then I enlighten" - with Siv Ngesi

    Siv Ngesi has never been afraid to stir the drama. From grief and masculinity, to race, GBV and menstruation, this episode leans into controversy as a necessary ingredient for growth. #podcast #sivngesi #gbv #rednails #senazungu #stacyjayne

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    Motherhood, Race, The Things we Can't Unsee, with Rachel Kolisi

    Rachel Kolisi joins us for an honest, deeply human conversation about resilience, raising children of colour as a white woman in South Africa and the moments when privilege moves from the abstract to the personal. We discuss race, love, womanhood, identity and the frustration of apathy in the face of inequality. And of course, we paint our nails.

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    The Stories Racism Wrote with Khaya Dlanga

    Khaya Dlanga joins us to talk about rewriting the narrative; who gets seen, heard and remembered.

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    Remembering What we Tried to Forget with Koleka Putuma

    When the world wants you to forget, remembering becomes rebellion. Koleka Putuma talks poetry, power and reclaiming the stories we've buried.

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    Black, Coloured, Queer and in Love

    October being Pride month, we speak with the first queer black Miss South Africa contestant, Sihle Gcilitshana and radio and host personality Carla Mackenzie about being black, culturally coloured and in love. Thank you to Kantar's Pride Employee Resource Group for sponsoring this episode.

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    When History Writes Your Paycheck: Black Tax with Mapalo Makhu

    In this episode, we explore black tax, buying new cars, breaking cycles and building wealth.

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    Behind the Puppet with Conrad Koch

    The personal is the political as Conrad Koch (side kick to SA's famous political puppet, Chester Missing) unpacks the repercussions of taking on racism as a white comedian.

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    Unpacking whiteness and the backpack of privilege with Sydelle Willow Smith

    In this special episode, our strategist, Sarah, joins Stacy in conversation with Sydelle Willow Smith, co-founder of Sunshine Cinema and co-creator of the Un/Settled documentary, to unpack belonging, whiteness and the weight of privilege.

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    Degrees, addiction, and how class can’t protect you from racism with JamJam the Comedian

    We sit down with award-winning comedian Khanyisa JamJam to chat about literally everything! From South Africa's most chaotic politicians to the humbling experience of battling addiction. From the duty that comes with privilege to the racism of the Cape Town club scene. And there are tons of laughs in there, too. Obviously!

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    The Art of Activism with Zolani Mahola

    We sit down with Zolani Mahola as she reflects on her life through art and activism, the deep healing we need as a nation, and what it means to shape a hopeful collective story.

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    Can anybody be a Hibirist? The Golden Thread to Blackness with Donald Mokgale

    Hibiri! Sidl’ ubusha bethu in the meantime.Stacy and Sena sit down with the co-ideator of the Hibirism philosophy, Donald Mogkale, for this challenging and hilarious discussion on the cultural nuances of Blackness.

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    Education as Oppression & Liberation with Courtney Koopman and Katy Mthethwa

    It’s Youth Day, and we’re talking about the power of education as a tool for both oppression and liberation. Because school is not just about reading and writing; it’s about who gets access, whose language is allowed in the classroom and who gets to feel like they belong.

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    Extend your table with Irfaan Mangera

    We sit down with We The People's head of education and long-time activist, Irfaan Mangera, to discuss youth activism, the Group Areas Act, taking responsibility in your own spaces, and acting where you are.Chapters:0:00- 15:34 Memory as a weapon, the devastation of Group Areas Act15:35-17:30 Inter-generational trauma17:31-26:20 Imposed racial hierarchies in activist work26:21- 36:40 We the People and Constitutional literacy36:41- 41:22 Bring shame back, misinformation41:23-51:10 Learning from history, problem solve51:11-59:43 Build a longer table, not higher walls

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    Your Voice Matters with Amonge Sinxoto

    In this episode, Stacy and Sena sit down with author, activist, and co-founder of Blackboard Africa, Amonge Sinxoto, to talk about what it means to be young, Black, and building impact in the world - online and offline.We spoke about Amonge's anti-racism activism as a school-going child, and how those early moments shaped her drive to use her voice for good. She unpacks the joys and theheaviness of visibility — and the unspoken burden of Black excellence, wher Black and Brown youth often feel they must be exceptional just to be seen as enough.We also speak about her children’s book, My Big Name, which centres identity and reclamation for young readers — and her journey building Blackboard Africa into a platform for youth empowerment and storytelling.Amonge shares her views on the role of social media in activism and what it means to move a social media movement into sustainable real-world impact,especially in an anti-DEI climate.0:00-06:00 Get to know Amonge06:01-09:20 Activism journey and racism at school09:21-15:14 Writing My Big Name15:15-19:32 Identity at the core of defining leadership19:33-25:30 Social media as a tool and a cop-out for activism25:31-30:49 Activism fatigue and motivation in community30:50-35:28 Looking back on your activism with grace35:29-37:43 Different voices reach different people37:44-43:03 Black Girl Magic is in the little things43:04-49:56 TikTok trends as conversation starters

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    Freedom and the Law with Lwando Xaso

    In this powerful and timely episode, Sena and Stacy sit down with renowned constitutional lawyer and founder of Including Society, Lwando Xaso, for a deep, clear-eyed exploration of the systems that have shaped — and continue to shape — South Africa.Timed to fall in line with South Africa’s Freedom Day, this conversation reflects on the significance of democracy, constitutionalism, and unfinished reconciliation. While we often talk about racial systems and systemic racism, this episode zooms in specifically on the legal architecture that allowed racial segregation to thrive — and how its legacy lingers today through massive inequality, where white South Africans remain disproportionately empowered.Lwando also shares her deeply personal journey: from clerking at the Constitutional Court to founding Including Society, a platform dedicated to building a more inclusive South Africa through civic engagement, education, and collective action.This Freedom Day, as we celebrate the hard-won victories of the past, we also confront the realities of the present, and look towards a future where freedom is truly equitable.00.00 - 06:07 Intro's and Lwando's journey to law06:08 - 14:28 What we mean when we say systemic14.29 - 22:34 The cruelty of citizenship22:35 - 28:29 Parliamentary sovereignty, constitutional democracy28.30 - 34.50 Reverse racism, the law and equality34.50 - 39:19 The personal is political39:20 - 47:32 Are we really free?

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    Howzit - With Amahle Jaxa

    If you’re chronically online, then you’ve probably come across the woman with the signature greeting: “Howzit guys…” and a rundown of what’s going on in the country (and the world) in a way that’s actually understandable.In this episode, Sena and Stacy sit down with Amahle-Imvelo Jaxa, the rising TikTok current affairs creator, commentator, and all-around cultural force. We unpack her journey from growing up in the Eastern Cape to starting up the events giant Until Until, and her unique knack for turning complicated political moments into accessible, humorous, and insightful content.We talk about the emotional toll of showing up online, the dangers of misinformation, the apartheid history of censorship, and why media literacy and accessibility are more critical than ever. We also dive into her experience as a young Black entrepreneur creating safe spaces in Johannesburg’s iconic groove culture, and what it means to center black joy.Oh, and there are plenty of laughs along the way. Because if you’re going to talk about civic education, anti-racism, and political chaos, you might as well do it in Full Colour.Chapters:0:00-4:50 - Red nails and laughs04:51-6:22 - Journey to the city of gold06:23-14:40 - “we just wanted to throw a party”14:41-17:49 - Diversity at parties17:50-31:08 - Politics is low key hilarious 31:09-41:27 - Creating difficult content on social media 41:28-49:19 - Racist stories we get over too quickly49:20-55:34 Handling ops55:35-end - Game: real or fake?

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    The Politics of Beauty

    In this episode, Tšhegofatšo Ndabane and Sinothile Kubu join Sena and Stacy for a candid talk on the politics of beauty and how it shapes the experiences of Black women. Tšhegofatšo shares her research on how young Black women perceive themselves, the deep influence of racism, and how beauty standards continue to be shaped by colonial narratives. Sinothile opens up about her personal journey toward embracing authenticity, the challenges of unlearning internalised biases, and how she navigates the pressures of motherhood while resisting the impulse to police her daughter’s appearance.Together, they dive into the intergenerational trauma of beauty standards, the complex process of unlearning, and the radical act of black women reclaiming femininity on their own terms.Chapters:0:00-07:14 Intros and red nails 07:15-12:42 Beauty is skin deep 12:43-18:39 Constructs of black beauty 18:40-32:48 Our mothers and policing bodies32:50-38:44 Hyper-sexualisation of black women’s bodies38:50-40:48 #blackgirlmagic #melaninpoppin 41:00-44:00 Unlearning 

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    Bad African with Celine Tshika

    In this episode, Stacy and Sena have one of the most chaotically hilarious interviews with the one and only Céline Tshika, interrogating what it truly means to be a Bad African. In between self-deprecatingly poking fun at themselves for the things they're good at being bad at, they unpacked the messy, layered, and oh-so-nuanced reality of Blackness and Africanness. From growing up in SA in a Congolese household to navigating microaggressions in the arts, Céline takes us through the complexities of identity, heritage, and pushing back against respectability politics. She gets into the colonial history of the Congo and how it’s playing out in today’s instability in the region. Between the serious and the unserious, there are many thought-provoking perspectives and laugh-out-loud moments.  This episode is a journey through interrogating race, privilege, and the joy of embracing every shade of who you are.Chapters00.00 - 06:00 "Good at being bad", red nails06:00 - 18:25 A Congolese African woman in SA, Colonisation 18:25 - 23:00 The career pivot23:11 - 37:30 Being black in a white private school, dating37:30 - 39:10 Learning about white validation 39:10 - 48:36 Public reactions to satirical comedy48:40 - 52:20 When white women jump on the "Karen" bandwagon52:20 - 57:35 Playing a game "how an African parent would react"57:35 - 59:32 Wrap up Vote for Celine in the Comic's Choice Comedy Awards - SMS the letter "2" to 33622

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    Lesego Tlhabi (aka Coconut Kelz) in Paris

    In this episode of Colour-Full, Sena and Stacy sit down with Lesego Tlhabi, the brilliant mind behind Coconut Kelz, for a conversation that felt like a catch-up among besties. We laugh the whole way through while unpacking race, privilege, dating, fashion, and what the future looks like for Lesego beyond satire.We spoke about her lived experiences and how they shaped the creation of Coconut Kelz, highlighting how the personal is always political. We chat about everything from navigating microaggressions in South Africa and Europe to the realities of interracial friendships and relationships.Lesego also delves into her newfound experience of being in corporate Europe - sharing the challenges, surprises, and lessons she’s picking up along the way. And of course, we get into fashion and who she’d put on the cover if she ever got to style Vogue.This episode is full of wit, insight, and plenty of Woolies water-level crispness. Talk about living in Full Colour!Chapters:00:00 Lesego paints her nails and the birth of Coconut Kelz 07:26 Assimilation and respectability politics 09:05 There’s no one way to be black 14:25 Names in the spirit of Coconut Kelz20:46 Online spaces as authentic reflections of real life 25:24 Dating in Paris 28:27 The audacity of South African men 30:58 Interracial dating as a black woman 34:58 Career pivoting 41:21 Multiculturalism in corporate space 43:22 Racism in Paris and beyond 47:25 Who would Lesego put on the cover of Vogue?

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    Love is in the air with Wandile and Jessica Molebatsi

    It’s the month of love, and in this episode, Sena and Stacy sit down with the Molebatsis. Jessica, a celebrated South African fashion designer, and Wandile, a renowned actor and producer, join us for a candid conversation about love, identity, and life in the public eye as an interracial couple.They share their journey of connection and acceptance, including the deeply personal way Jessica first met Wandile’s family—when he was recovering from a life-altering accident. As an interracial couple in a country still healing from its divided past, they reflect on South Africa’s painful history, the apartheid-era laws that once prohibited relationships like theirs, and the progress still needed to build true inclusivity.Jessica and Wandile also discuss handling public perceptions, the intersection of their personal and professional lives, and how they use their platforms to advocate for unity, creativity, and authenticity. At the core of their journey is a commitment to love—unwavering, unapologetic, and inspiring.Chapters:0:00 Intro’s, Jessica paints Wandile’s nails red08:20 How we met, our family dynamics 15:35 “Our ancestors are so perplexed, this is Hendrik Verwoerd’s worst nightmare”22:00 How white and black love is portrayed in the media29:38 Portraying culture in the fashion industry 37:05 Why can’t I be anti-racist and love a white person?43:30 Why we need to look behind the curtain 47:14 The rainbow nation and white privilege53:40 “The richest man in SA’s child cannot go to school and be taught in their home language”54:07 Privilege and shame 01:01:40 Holding space for ignorance and cultural diplomacy 01:06:09 We have to be dramatic and intentional.01:08:25 Closing, next guest, Happy Valentines Day! 

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    Beyond the Headlines with Dan Corder

    In this episode of Colour-Full, Stacy and Sena are joined in studio by South Africa's very own beanie aficianado, Dan Corder. Known for his bold voice in South African media and his TikTok videos, Dan takes us on a journey beyond the headlines to unpack the role of media in shaping conversations that matter.We dive deep into the role of media in addressing systemic inequalities, how he balances knowing when to engage in critical dialogues and when to step back and the importance of understanding South Africa's complex history. Dan also reflects on his university days, his involvement in youth-led protests like #FeesMustFall, and how those formative years shaped his perspective on activism and justice.In true Colour-Full style, we peel back the layers to explore Dan’s personal journey—his triumphs, challenges, and everything “beyond the beanie.” From his thoughts on inequality to his reflections on navigating a polarised world, Dan shares how he lives life in full colour.Chapters00:00 – Dan paints his nails red, discusses bizarre thing he asked a guest to do06:30 – The radical difference between Cape Town and the rest of South Africa11:00 – The role of media in highlighting structural racism in our country24:00 – The journey of “woke-ness”27:20 – “Pale males” leaving South Africa for the motherland31:09 – White Economic Empowerment and how white people got wealthy37:22 – The significance of Luister46:28 – Protest and the link with systemic failure50:44 – The personal is the political; conversations that challenge injustice55:38 – Musings about a fabulous future guest (stay tuned!)

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    Reflections

    We wrap up our first season of Colour-Full with a look back at the year that was, reflecting on all the highs and lows. Sena and Stacy respond to some of the questions and feedback received from listeners and social media followers. They explain the meaning behind the podcast's name, the intentional use of humor in addressing a serious topic, and the challenges they face in maintaining the platform. They also tackle criticism, the importance of audience engagement, and highlight impactful episodes that resonated with listeners. The conversation emphasises the need for ongoing dialogue about race and inclusion, while also sharing personal anecdotes and lessons learned throughout their personal journeys on the show. Chapters 00:00 - Reflecting on Season One 02:28 - The Meaning Behind 'Colour-Full’ 04:30 - Why we chose a podcast as a platform for this conversation 08:00 - Stacy and Sena’s relationship 10:10 - The Intentionality of Humour in Serious Topics 13:15 - Addressing Criticism and Skepticism 19:10 - The Challenges of Maintaining this Podcast 23:45 - Engaging the Audience for Change 26:15 - Most Impactful Episodes and Lessons Learned 28:45 - Rapid Fire Questions and Fun Moments from 2024

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    The Language Advantage

    In this episode, Stacy and Sena chat about the complexities of language, identity, and privilege in South Africa. They’re joined by Tsepang Khoboko and Qhawe Bula, two of the co-founders of TAQA app, a digital library with the mission of promoting, preserving and celebrating African cultures and languages through digital media. The App has a library of illustrated children’s audiobooks in all 11 official South African spoken languages. Together they discuss personal experiences with language, the impact of colonialism and apartheid on African languages, and the importance of preserving these languages through initiatives like TAQA. The discussion highlights the systemic barriers faced by non-English speakers in education, and how learning in one's home language enhances understanding. The episode concludes with practical advice for English-speaking individuals to support and engage with African languages respectfully. Chapters 04:10 - Introduction to the guests 06:46 - The marginalisation of African languages and impact of language assimilation 08:56 - TAQA, how it came about and its mission 13:41 - The risk of African languages disappearing 17:57 - The role of colonial and apartheid policies 23:28 - Valuing and celebrating African languages 26:52 - Navigating and overcoming challenges as the TAQA team 29:53 - Engaging with African languages respectfully 34:56 - Where to learn more about TAQA  *This episode was produced by Laura Rapson Learn more about TAQA: Website - www.taqa.africa Instagram - @taqaafrica LinkedIn - TAQA TikTok - taqa.africa

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    Our Heritage. Our Culture

    In celebration of Heritage Day in South Africa, Stacy and Sena sit down with Thando Hopa, a formidable advocate of diversity, international model, contributor to the United Nations policy on Albinism and one of the BBC's Top 100 Inspirational and Influential Women. Together, they explore the importance of National Heritage Day, and why the significance of this day should not be forgotten or diluted. They unpack the complexities of cultural appropriation versus appreciation, the economic benefits of heritage, and the importance of storytelling in preserving cultural identity. Thando shares her personal experiences and emphasizes the need for intentional cultural literacy, archiving culture for future generations and creating ecosystems for cultural exchange.  Chapters 03:40 - Personal Stories and Cultural Identity 06:43 - Navigating Global Spaces and Cultural Duality 09:05 - Heritage Day is not braai day 15:44 - Cultural Appropriation vs. Appreciation 26:35 - The Role of Pop Culture and storytelling in Heritage 32:00 - Building Cultural Ecosystems 37:17 - Individual Responsibility in Cultural Preservation A huge shout out to Kantar and their Culture, Race, and Ethnicity in the Workplace (CREW) group for collaborating with us on this episode! * This episode was produced by Laura Rapson

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    What is white privilege?

    Today, Stacy and Sena are chatting about white privilege with Graham Codrington, renowned futurist, leadership expert and ally. Graeme explains that white privilege is the absence of obstacles and barriers that white people don't have to overcome, allowing them to navigate the world more easily. They explore examples of white privilege, such as assumptions of competence and trustworthiness, and how white people are able to choose when to engage with racism or not. They unpack this further by discussing the defensive and apathetic responses that white people often have when confronted with the topic. Graeme goes on to explain how he engages in conversations about race, asking clarifying questions and creating teachable moments, rather than starting with accusations or confrontation. They also discuss the need for leaders to understand and address white privilege by removing obstacles and barriers, promoting psychological safety, and valuing diversity and intersectionality. You can find out more about Graeme and the work he does here: Website: www.graemecodrington.com  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/graemecodrington/?originalSubdomain=uk  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/graeme.codrington  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/graemecodrington  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/graemecodrington/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@graemecodrington  This podcast is produced by Laura Rapson

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    Purposeful activism with Jason Goliath

    We’re thrilled to welcome the legendary Jason Goliath to this episode of Colour-Full! Stacy and Sena sit down with the renowned comedian and entertainer to delve into the intersection of comedy, culture, and the complexities of race and privilege in South Africa.  Jason introduces us to the concept of the "Happiness Economy," where he uses the power of comedy to drive meaningful messaging and ignite conversations around happiness and critical societal topics. The discussion touches on the role of understanding and respecting different cultures in building a more inclusive South Africa. Jason emphasises that comedians have a responsibility to use humour thoughtfully, especially when addressing sensitive topics like race and stereotypes. He also encourages listeners to start making a difference in their immediate circles and communities, rather than attempting to change the entire world at once. We explore the importance of having uncomfortable conversations and recognising the historical context of privilege. Jason’s insights serve as a reminder that true change begins with open dialogue, education, and a willingness to learn. And that we can also share some laughs in the midst of it all.

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    What is racism?

    In this episode, we're getting back to basics by defining what racism is. Based on the feedback we've received from listeners we realised there was a need to unpack the definition in more detail, especially in light of the myth of reverse racism. Stacy and Sena are joined by Bwanika Lwanga, a pan-Africanist activist and leader. Together they discuss the definition of racism and the structural, systemic, and power dynamics that facilitate racism. They explore the concept of reverse racism and why it does not exist. They also discuss the psychological impact of racism and the role of white people in dismantling systemic racism. Bwanika emphasizes the importance of white people engaging in the conversation, forming networks of solidarity, and challenging racism within their own circles.

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    Laughing against racism

    In this episode, Stacy and Sena sit down with Oarabile Mashigo, better known as mashnotpotatoes, a comedian, satirical journalist, and popular TikTok content creator. They talk about his personal journey - from his days as a student, his beginnings in comedy, and his recent milestone as the first correspondent on the Dan Corder Show on eNCA. They discuss how comedy, humour, and social media serve as powerful tools for challenging systemic racism in South Africa. Mashnotpotatoes talks about how he uses his platform to engage in meaningful dialogue, debunking the misconception that young South Africans are apolitical. He talks about the distrust and disengagement with the system due to past failures and highlights the backlash he has faced when speaking out against racism, including the recent Renaldo Gouws controversy. He also shares his views on the importance of comedians in driving social change and holding leaders accountable. And finally, he offers advice on how individuals, even without a large platform, can effectively call out racism. Join us for an insightful discussion that intersects humour with serious social commentary – showcasing the importance of satire in activism and societal change.   Follow mashnotpotatoes on TikTok, Instagram, X and YouTube all under the handle @mashnotpotatoes. *This episode is produced by Laura Rapson  

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    Workplace Assimilation: What now?

    Following their episode four discussion on workplace assimilation with the Buhle Dlamini, Sena and Stacy delve deeper into this important topic with Dharshni Padayachee - a giant within the DEI space in South Africa. The conversation explores DEI efforts within local organisations, and the challenges faced by marginalised groups. Dharshni provides insights and practical advice for creating inclusive workplaces.  In this episode we discuss: How workplace assimilation leads to challenges in bringing a person’s authentic self to work. How DEI efforts go beyond demographic representation and require a focus on creating an inclusive culture that allows everyone to thrive and contribute. How colourblindness, while well-intentioned, can overlook the experiences and challenges faced by individuals based on their race. Measuring the success of DEI initiatives by looking at both quantitative and qualitative factors, including employee experience, decision-making forums, and psychological safety within the organisation. Connect with Dharshni on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dharshni-padayachee-ca-sa-mphil-65912234/ *This podcast is produced by Laura Rapson

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    The stories we tell our children

    Sena and Stacy sit down with Refiloe Moahloli, the best-selling author of the critically acclaimed children's books, How Many Ways Can You Say Hello? and We Are One. With her diverse - and more importantly inclusive - books as proof points, they discuss the importance of having representation in books, movies and toys.  Refiloe talks about what inspired her to write her first book, How Many Ways Can You Say Hello?, her own experiences growing up in a predominantly white school and how that impacted her identity, the progress in representation she’s seen since starting her writing journey and how we still need to improve, and the importance of understanding everyone’s origin story to achieve true representation. Learn more about Refiloe: refiloemoahloli.com www.facebook.com/refiloemoahloli  www.instagram.com/refiloemoahloli/  *This podcast was produced by Laura Rapson

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    Diversity is being invited to the party. Inclusion is being asked to dance

    In this episode Sena and Stacy challenge and consider forward thinking solutions to assimilation into white workplaces. They're joined by Buhle Dlamini, an award winning entrepreneur, author of 6 books, and international speaker who has consulted with businesses on the benefits of diversity with cultural intelligence for over 18 years. They discuss how workplace culture has eurocentrism at its foundation and how black people have to embody and embrace “white culture” within the workplace not only as a means of self-preservation but also for career advancement. Buhle describes a racist attack on his family, explains why the honeymoon period post George Floyd is over, discusses what organisations should do to truly embrace inclusion and much more. Learn more about Buhle here: https://www.buhledlamini.com/ https://tomorrowtodayglobal.com/ This episode was produced by Laura Rapson

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    Honour Identity: Say My Name (Say My Name)

    In this episode, Stacy and Sena are in conversation with Gcotyelwa Jimlongo about the significance of names. From personal anecdotes of mispronunciation to unpacking the influence of colonial history behind this common issue, they talk about the subtle yet insidious racial undertones embedded in misnaming and mispronunciation. They explore the harmful effects of the erasure of identity linked to this normalised practice and shed light on the importance of acknowledging and honouring cultural heritage. Together, they discuss strategies for moving forward in a manner that respects and celebrates the significance of African ethnic names and their meanings.

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    Questioning hair and beauty

    This episode was inspired by Stacy’s daughter, Faith’s critique of her natural hair. Join Mmakgabo Dlomo, CEO of Intombi Hair Care, and Sena Zungu, a young woman with a passion for identity discourse, as they peel back the layers of black women's relationships with their hair. Mmakgabo shares her journey to embracing her natural hair, highlighting the prevalent feelings of shame in black women's hair stories. Sena reflects on her upbringing with 4c hair, delving into societal pressures and imposed Eurocentric beauty ideals that led to insecurities about her hair. Together, they celebrate the beauty of black hair while acknowledging the underlying microaggressions and prejudices around afro-textured hair; setting the stage for a raw discussion around identity and self-love. You can learn more about Intombi here: www.intombihaircare.co.za  Facebook: www.facebook.com/intombisa  Instagram: www.instagram.com/intombi_sa TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@intombi_sa?lang=en  This episode was produced by Laura Rapson

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    What is this umlungu snake smile?

    In this episode we investigate a curious behaviour of white women when they walk past a black person they don’t know. We’ve named it the “umlungu snake smile”. You know what we’re talking  about  right?… that kind of straight-lined lip, half smile thing. What is this thing that white women do and why do they do it? How does it make black people feel? And what would be a better way to handle this moment in future? After getting some initial feedback from black and white people, Stacy sat down with her friend Kuhle Belu to unpack this behaviour in detail, and why Kuhle believes conversations like this are important. Join us on our first episode as we start moving from complacency to connection. This episode was produced by Laura Rapson

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    Why would I listen to a white woman talk about race?

    In this first episode, Stacy sits down with her colleague and friend, Sena Zungu, to discuss what motivated her to start this podcast. Sena doesn't hold back - asking Stacy pointed questions about her journey toward racial awareness as a white woman living in South Africa. Together, they explore Stacy's observations of race relations, her hopes and fears in starting these conversations, and the pivotal moments that led her to this point. Join us as we engage with uncomfortable truths and seek to understand the complexities of race, privilege, and perspective.

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Meet Sena and Stacy; inter-generational, inter-racial besties on a mission to make uncomfortable conversations about race, privilege and identity mainstream. Expect challenging perspectives, thought-provoking questions, laughs, kiki moments and chats over red-painted nails. Join us as we unpack the personal stories that shaped us and the role that empathetic curiosity plays in shaping our future.

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Stacy Jayne & Sena Zungu

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