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Data Xposure: The Podcast for Data Risk Leaders
by Exterro
What’s hiding in your data could cost you everything.Data Xposure is Exterro’s biweekly podcast for senior legal, privacy, compliance, and digital forensics professionals navigating the ever-evolving landscape of data risk.Each 20-minute episode dives into the headlines—major breaches, court cases, enforcement actions—and unpacks the real breakdowns behind the news: misaligned policies, siloed systems, and operational blind spots. Through narrative storytelling and expert interviews, we connect the dots between real-world failures and the proactive strategies used by successful organizations to avoid them.Designed for leaders who want to elevate their influence, sharpen their risk posture, and lead with confidence, Data Xposure cuts through the noise to deliver urgent, actionable insight—with a tone that’s curious, clear, and grounded in reality.If you're responsible for managing data risk acro
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From Depp-Heard to Epstein: How eDiscovery Became Everyone’s Problem | Data Xposure - Ep 16
The headlines are hard to ignore.High-profile cases— the scrutiny of celebrity text messages and photos in the Depp-Heard litigation to the release of Epstein-related documents—have turned private communications into public evidence. What was once buried in legal proceedings is now playing out in real time, shaping reputations, careers, and corporate risk.But these aren’t edge cases. They’re signals.In this episode of Data Xposure, we explore how eDiscovery has moved into the mainstream—and why it now impacts far more than just legal teams. Because the same types of messages, files, and digital conversations making headlines are being created inside your organization every day.Doug Austin, a leading voice in eDiscovery with over 30 years of experience and the Editor of eDiscovery Today, joins us to unpack what’s changed—and why so many organizations are still unprepared. From the explosion of collaboration tools to the growing expectations of regulators and courts, he explains how everyday data has become a business-wide liability if it’s not properly understood and managed.For legal, compliance, and security leaders, this is the shift: eDiscovery is no longer a moment you prepare for. It’s a continuous reflection of how your organization operates.Because as recent headlines make clear—the risk isn’t just in what’s exposed.It’s in what’s been there all along.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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When What You Find Online Becomes Evidence—and a Liability | Data Xposure - Ep 15
What if the information your team relies on… isn’t as reliable as it looks?In today’s investigations, it’s never been easier to find information online. Social media, public records, data brokers—answers are everywhere. But in this episode of Data Xposure, we explore a harder question:Can you actually trust what you find?Justin Tolman sits down with Jessica Stutzman, an open source intelligence expert and founder of Pangea Research, who has worked across law enforcement, national security, and the private sector helping organizations turn online information into actionable insight.Together, they unpack how companies are using publicly available data to support investigations—and where it can quietly go wrong.Because while this kind of research can uncover critical leads, it can also introduce serious risk:Drawing the wrong conclusions from incomplete informationRelying on tools you don’t fully understandUsing evidence that won’t hold up under scrutinyAnd when that happens, the consequences aren’t just technical—they’re business-critical. Cases fall apart. Decisions get challenged. Credibility is on the line.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Why Most Legal Departments Overspend—and How Legal Ops Can Help Fix It | Data Xposure - Ep 14
Corporate legal departments are under constant pressure to control costs while managing growing workloads across litigation, investigations, and compliance. Yet many organizations still overspend, often because technology, vendors, and operational processes lack centralized ownership.In this episode of Data Xposure, Alayne Russom, Director of Legal Operations at Thrivent, explains how legal ops can bring structure, visibility, and discipline to the business side of legal.What listeners will learn:How legal departments overspend and why fragmented ownership of technology and vendors drives unnecessary costsStrategies for reducing outside counsel spend by bringing more work in-houseHow legal ops leaders can optimize processes so legal teams work more efficiently across the business.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Take Back Control How In-House Legal Teams Are Reclaiming Power in Litigation | Data Xposure - Ep 13
Litigation risk isn’t just growing. It’s spreading. And too many legal teams are still responding the old way, collect everything remotely related to litigation, ship it out for collection and review, and hope for defensibility later.In this episode of Data Xposure, brought to you by Exterro, Greg Gruic, a computer science engineer turned Law Operations leader at Marathon Petroleum, explains how in-house teams hope to reclaim more control. His approach: stop exporting risk and start tightening governance before litigation begins.Listen to this podcast to learn:Why data sprawl is leaving legal departments less prepared than everHow “evergreen” data maps and intake workflows prevent downstream chaosResetting engagement expectations so outside counsel works inside your controlled environmentThanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Overcoming the ‘What If We Need It?’ Mindset: Building a Culture of Defensible Deletion | Data Xposure - Ep 12
What’s really driving your data retention decisions: policy, or fear?In this episode of Exterro's Data Xposure podcast, host Fahad Diwan sits down with Ryan Zilm, Director of Information Governance & Privacy at H2O America and former ARMA International President, to confront one of the most common and dangerous cultural defaults inside large enterprises: “What if we need it?” Ryan shares the story of leading a large-scale ROT (redundant, obsolete, trivial) cleanup campaign and the deeper lesson it revealed: organizations don’t struggle with deletion because of technology they struggle because of mindset. What starts as hesitation quickly compounds into expanded discovery scope, unnecessary legal hold complexity, regulatory exposure, and a broader attack surface for security teams.Through real-world examples of stakeholder resistance, executive alignment, and hard-earned leadership lessons, Ryan explains how to replace fear-based retention with defensible, policy-driven deletion.For legal, privacy, and security leaders under pressure to reduce risk without increasing resources, this episode reframes deletion as a strategic control, not a reckless act.What You’ll Walk Away With:A clear understanding of how the “What if we need it?” mindset increases litigation, regulatory, and breach exposure.Practical strategies for shifting organizational culture from data hoarding to defensible deletion.Because in today’s enterprise, keeping everything isn’t safe, it’s risky.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Playbook-Driven Litigation Readiness: The Strategy Legal Leaders Can’t Skip | Data Xposure - Ep 11
Litigation isn’t slowing down—and the stakes are only getting higher.In this episode of Data Xposure, host Jenny Hamilton, Exterro’s Chief Legal Officer, is joined by Patrick Butts, Director of Legal Operations and Information Governance at Hilltop Securities, to explore what it really means to be litigation ready in today’s data-driven world.They go beyond reactive crisis response to reveal why a smart, end-to-end playbook is essential—not just for legal efficiency, but for enterprise risk management. From proactive data governance to streamlined eDiscovery workflows, Patrick shares how leading organizations are building litigation systems that are scalable, defensible, and built to perform under pressure.Why it Matters:Litigation readiness is a strategic imperative. Without the right systems in place, organizations face rising legal costs, regulatory exposure, and reputational damage. This episode delivers actionable insights for legal, IT, and compliance professionals ready to lead from the front.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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The Human Side of Readiness: Coaching Legal, IT, and Security Teams for Litigation Success | Data Xposure - Episode 10
In this episode of Data Xposure, host Jenny Hamilton sits down with Rasheedah Bilal, a senior litigation and eDiscovery leader at Bill.com, to explore an often-overlooked factor in litigation readiness: your team’s ability to execute under pressure, with the resources and people you already have.Drawing from Rasheedah’s journey from the military to the classroom to the corporate legal world, this conversation dives deep into what it really means to be "ready." It’s not about chasing the perfect resourcing model, it’s about coaching people toward their strengths, bridging gaps across departments, and leading with trust, especially when expectations don’t match reality.Jenny and Rasheedah unpack how misaligned roles, unclear responsibilities, and rigid expectations can stall progress in high-stakes matters, and what leaders can do to build cross-functional muscle memory between legal, IT, and security.Because at the end of the day, litigation success isn’t just about tools or processes. It’s about people and how well they work together when it counts.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Beyond Breach: Why Data Loss Prevention Is Every Leader’s Problem | Data Xposure - Episode 9
On this episode of Data Xposure, forensic expert Robert Fried joins host Justin Tolman to unpack what true data loss prevention (DLP) requires in today’s volatile environment. This isn’t about box-checking software—it’s about building systems that protect your organization’s most sensitive assets without grinding operations to a halt.Drawing from decades of frontline investigations, Fried shares why many companies fail to detect—or properly respond to data leaks, and how legal, security, and compliance leaders can better collaborate when the stakes are highest.You’ll learn:Why data loss is escalating across industries and who’s most vulnerable right nowHow forensic readiness gives organizations a crucial edge in crisis responseWhen and why outside experts are critical to preserving legal defensibilityWhy communication breakdowns are still the #1 risk amplifier during investigationsHow to balance AI’s efficiency with the irreplaceable nuance of human judgmentWhat emotionally intelligent leadership looks like when your company is under scrutinyWhether you’re navigating new SEC cybersecurity rules, juggling breach notification obligations, or trying to secure a buy-in for DLP tools, this episode will arm you with practical insight and strategic perspective.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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The Year Everything Changes: Data Governance, AI, and Litigation Risk in 2026 | Data Xposure - Episode 8
2026 will mark a turning point for organizations managing sensitive data across legal, privacy, security, and forensics. With AI creating new categories of discoverable data, regulators increasing demands for documentation, and courts penalizing manual, inconsistent processes, the old playbook is no longer defensible.In this webcast, Fahad Diwan, Jenny Hamilton, and Justin Tolman deliver a fast, insightful breakdown of 2025’s biggest trends—and their predictions for what comes next. Expect clear guidance on how to modernize preservation, rationalize data sources, prepare for AI governance, and build a defensible, automated strategy that stands up to both regulators and opposing counsel.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Building a Data Privacy Program from Scratch in a Cloud-Native World | Data Xposure - Episode 7
What does it take to build a privacy program from the ground up in a high-growth, cloud-native tech company? In this episode, host Fahad Diwan sits down with Jamie Massaro, Senior Privacy Analyst at Spectro Cloud—a platform that helps enterprises manage and scale data environments across cloud, on-prem, and edge—to unearth the practical lessons learned from the frontline.Together, they explore how to set and evolve priorities when moving from manual spreadsheets to a scalable program, the most surprising roadblocks and biggest challenges in building a privacy-first culture, the essential role of technology in enabling—or hindering—compliance at scale, why privacy can't be a silo and must connect to a broader data risk strategy, and what emerging trends in data governance and security other leaders might be missing.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Metadata, Murder, and Media: Digital Evidence on Trial | Data Xposure - Episode 6
The Karen Read murder trial gripped the nation with its dramatic allegations—but behind the headlines, it was digital evidence that took center stage. From text metadata to mobile tracking and surveillance video, forensic data shaped both the legal arguments and the media narrative.In this episode of Data Xposure, host Jenny Hamilton, General Counsel at Exterro sits down with Jeffrey Mayer, Partner at Akerman LLP to unpack what this high-profile case reveals about modern data risk. They explore how preservation missteps, investigative decisions, and public scrutiny can expose gaps—not just in legal teams, but across security and IT as well.This case is a powerful reminder: when digital evidence goes public, your systems, processes, and people better be in sync.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Governance or Guesswork: How Information Management Makes or Breaks Forensic Investigations - Data Xposure | Ep 5
When digital investigations hit a wall, the root cause is often hiding in plain sight: poor information governance.In this episode of Data Xposure, brought to you by Exterro, host Justin Tolman sits down with Allan Buxton, Managing Director of Data Breach and Forensics at Epiq Global, to expose the real-world consequences of governance gaps in forensic investigations. From ballooning costs to missed evidence, Allan shares how the absence of structured data policies can cripple an organization's ability to respond swiftly and defensibly when an incident strikes.You’ll learn what separates forensic-ready organizations from those flying blind, why outside experts often struggle to help without the right groundwork, and the tactical steps legal, compliance, and security leaders can take now to avoid chaos later. If your team touches incident response or e-discovery—even occasionally—this is a conversation you can’t afford to miss.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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California’s New Data Rules: Automated Decisions, Risk Assessments, and Cybersecurity Audits - Data Xposure | Episode 4
California has just finalized sweeping new privacy regulations—and they cut straight into the daily operations of legal, privacy, and security teams. From automated decision-making tools that now require notice, opt-outs, and appeal rights, to mandatory risk assessments and independent cybersecurity audits, these rules are reshaping how organizations must govern data and technology.In this episode of Data Xposure – The Podcast for Data Risk Leaders, host Fahad Diwan sits down with Stephen F. Fusco, Data Privacy Officer & Senior Counsel at Danone North America, to unpack what these rules really mean in practice. They explore where businesses are most likely to underestimate their impact, how to stand up “right-sized” compliance programs without stalling innovation, and the concrete steps teams should take this quarter to stay ahead of California’s mandate.For leaders navigating the intersection of value and vulnerability in data, this conversation offers both urgent clarity and practical next moves.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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From the Frontlines of Data Risk: Live Insights from the Industry’s Leading Conference - Data Xposure | Episode 3
What happens when the sharpest minds in legal, privacy, and security come together to solve the world’s hardest data problems?Recorded live onsite at the close of Exterro’s XChange 2025 in Denver—the industry’s leading conference for managing enterprise data risk—this special edition of Data Xposure brings you inside the conversations shaping the future of data governance, compliance, and security.Join hosts Jenny Hamilton (Legal), Fahad Diwan (Privacy & Governance), and Justin Tolman (Forensics) as they debrief the most urgent insights, candid challenges, and unexpected takeaways from three packed days of sessions, panels, and hallway conversations with the people responsible for protecting sensitive data inside global organizations.You’ll hear:Why AI governance emerged as the theme across legal, privacy, and security tracksHow leaders are navigating regulatory fatigue and building resilience under pressureWhat teams are doing today to improve forensic readiness and cross-functional alignmentWhat surprised even the most seasoned data professionals this yearWhether you were at XChange or missed it, this episode captures the pulse of where data risk is headed—and what enterprise leaders are doing to stay ahead of it.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Inside a Mega Data Breach: The Cost of Mismanaged Information Governance - Data Xposure | Episode 2
In the past year, several massive data breaches—impacting tens of millions of people—have exposed a troubling pattern: when legal, security, and forensics teams aren’t aligned, the fallout is faster, costlier, and harder to contain. In this episode of Data Xposure, host Justin Tolman talks with John Wilson, CISO at HaystackID and a veteran in digital forensics and incident response, to unpack how cross-functional silos can derail breach response—and what that means for organizations managing sensitive data in high-stakes environments.In this episode, you’ll learn:Why traditional forensic processes struggle in large-scale breaches—and how to fix them.The real-world consequences of siloed legal, security, and privacy responses.How to build forensic playbooks that support fast, compliant breach response across functions.If your legal and security teams only align during a crisis, this episode might be your warning shot.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Reimagining the Legal Function with AI: A Conversation with Cecilia Ziniti - Data Xposure | Episode 1
As AI reshapes the corporate landscape, legal teams face a pivotal choice: adapt—or risk being sidelined. In this episode of Data Xposure, host Jenny Hamilton sits down with Cecilia Ziniti—former General Counsel turned AI founder—for a candid, strategic conversation on how legal professionals can lead through disruption.Together, they unpack what AI can really do for legal today, the pitfalls to avoid, and how to design tools that actually work at scale. Cecilia shares lessons from her time in big tech and startups and practical takeaways for the AI-integrated legal team of the future.In this episode, you’ll learn:What AI can realistically do for legal teams today—and the common adoption mistakes to avoid.How to design legal tools that scale while staying compliant and defensible.Why leading innovation in legal requires a shift in mindset, not just tech.If you're navigating the future of legal in an AI-driven enterprise, this episode is your strategic head start.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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Inside Data Xposure: Meet Your Hosts and Learn the Mission | Episode 0
Host: Jenny Hamilton, Fahad Diwan, Justin TolmanBefore we dive into data breaches, compliance crackdowns, and regulatory chaos—get to know the voices behind Data Xposure.In this special pre-release episode, you’ll meet the trio guiding this podcast for legal, privacy, and security professionals: Jenny Hamilton, General Counsel for Exterro and legal visionary; Fahad Diwan, privacy and compliance strategist; and Justin Tolman, a digital forensics expert with boots-on-the-ground experience. Together, they bring diverse perspectives to one shared mission: helping you stay ahead of the risks hiding in your data.In this episode, you’ll learn:Why this podcast exists—and why now is the moment to talk about data risk differentlyHow each host’s career has shaped their view of data’s value and its vulnerabilitiesWhat types of stories, headlines, and expert guests you can expect in the episodes aheadIf you’re leading data decisions or responding when they go wrong, Data Xposure is your new essential listen. Start here.Thanks for tuning in to the latest episode of Data Xposure. Don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an update. For show notes, resources, and to connect with us, visit exterro.com/data-exposure-podcast/
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What’s hiding in your data could cost you everything.Data Xposure is Exterro’s biweekly podcast for senior legal, privacy, compliance, and digital forensics professionals navigating the ever-evolving landscape of data risk.Each 20-minute episode dives into the headlines—major breaches, court cases, enforcement actions—and unpacks the real breakdowns behind the news: misaligned policies, siloed systems, and operational blind spots. Through narrative storytelling and expert interviews, we connect the dots between real-world failures and the proactive strategies used by successful organizations to avoid them.Designed for leaders who want to elevate their influence, sharpen their risk posture, and lead with confidence, Data Xposure cuts through the noise to deliver urgent, actionable insight—with a tone that’s curious, clear, and grounded in reality.If you're responsible for managing data risk acro
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