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Drinks After Work with Shannon and Deb
by Shannon Tipton
Join Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris, L&D industry pros, as they offer their unique takes on the latest trends and topics in L&D. This isn’t just another L&D podcast – it’s your backstage pass to the lively, sometimes unexpected, and always engaging discussions between two pros who have seen it all.Each episode is a journey through ideas, spirited debates, and compelling stories that promise to reshape your approach to learning and development. It’s time to hit subscribe, tune in to laugh, learn, and maybe even change your mind about a thing or two.
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Toxic Boxes and Temper Tantrums
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we're talking all about: The toxic boss profiles you'll recognize immediately (the temper-tantrum thrower, the spotlight hog, the gaslighter, the rule-maker) Triangulation — when your boss talks about you instead of to you How toxic bosses are literally making employees sick (it's not just stress, it's chronic health damage) Why HR's "engagement surveys" are missing the point entirely The waterfall effect of bad bosses creating more bad bosses How to protect yourself when you're stuck under one In this episode, Shannon and Deborah break down the science (and the pettiness) behind toxic bosses. The article they reference says 75% of workers think their boss is the most stressful part of their workday — and that stress doesn't stay at work. It follows you home, wrecks your weekends, and shows up in your body. They share their own war stories with triangulation, gaslighting, write-ups built on twisted conversations, and bosses who demand spotlight while making you do their work. But this isn't just a vent session — they get into how to actually protect yourself: document everything (on a personal device), bring facts over feelings, and don't go in hot unless you've got another gig in the shadows. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Recognize the toxic boss profiles before they wreck your health Document everything on a personal device (not the work computer) Lead with facts over feelings when escalating to HR Throw their own expectations back at them when they don't follow their own rules Take advantage of ethics hotlines and anonymous reporting if you have them Protect your mental and physical health — this is a ripple effect Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB: Deborah: Cooper's Hawk Moscato — Floral, sweet, with hints of peach, melon, and orange blossom. Shannon: Classic Mojito — Rum, lime, mint, sugar, and a few pieces of fresh fruit for spring. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: Forbes: Toxic Bosses Are Making Employees Sick—And The Evidence Is Impossible To Ignore Harvard Business Review: Stop Making Excuses for Toxic Bosses Workplace Assessments - Korn Ferry McKinsey Gallup Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Balloon Brags and Broken Trust
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we're talking all about: The trust recession — why trust is broken everywhere (workplace, brands, insurance, you name it) How layoffs during record profits have destroyed employee trust Why loyalty means nothing anymore (on both sides of the counter) The connection between technology, AI, and the erosion of human trust Why relationships at work matter more than ever How to rebuild trust one small interaction at a time In this episode, Shannon and Deborah dive into the trust recession that's eroding the workplace, customer relationships, and pretty much every institution we used to rely on. When CEOs are pulling in 12 figures while laying off thousands, when insurance companies want to put trackers on your car but still raise your rates, when layoffs happen during record profits — trust breaks. And once it breaks at work, it bleeds into everything else. But it's not all doom and gloom. They share how to rebuild trust incrementally, from speaking up for people in their absence to bringing an extra donut to the coworker next to you. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Recognize the signs that your company's "we're a family" talk is BS Stop expecting loyalty from organizations that don't give it back Take the first step in building real workplace relationships Speak up for people when they're not in the room Shop your insurance every few years (loyalty doesn't pay) Trust first until you can't — but know when you can't Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB: Shannon: Lemon Drop — Classic lemon drop, hold the sugar on the rim. Deborah: Trust Issues — Vodka, watermelon juice, lime juice, and a little agave syrup. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: Forbes: "The Trust Recession: Why Trust and Customer Experiences Are Failing" Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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The Pool's Empty and Betty Sue's Giving The Ick
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we're talking all about: Power dynamics at work — from Betty Sue in finance to team leads on power trips When to leave corporate America and go out on your own The ick of entrepreneurship: trading one set of problems for another The harsh realities no one tells you (spoiler: healthcare costs will make you cry) Why the system wasn't built to support entrepreneurs — and how to survive anyway How to know if you're built for the solo life (and what to do if you're not) In this episode, Shannon and Deborah dive into the messy reality of leaving corporate America to start your own business. It sounds amazing when you're sitting in your corporate chair collecting a corporate paycheck, but then you realize you're just trading one set of problems. They break down the things nobody warns you about — healthcare costs that want it all upfront, business insurance requirements, wearing every single hat, and the scam artists promising you can make $5 million in a year if you just buy their course. But it's not all doom and gloom — they also share real resources and remind you that failing forward is part of the process, whether you're in corporate or on your own. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Recognize power dynamics before they bite you in the @$$ Know your strengths and weaknesses before you jump ship Find free resources through the Small Business Association and community colleges Shop around for the right networks (and don't be afraid to leave the wrong ones) Stop trying to perfect everything — it's an iterative process Remember that going back to corporate doesn't make you a failure Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB: Deborah: Rise Mushroom Coffee — With almond milk and sugarcane sugar. Shannon: Starbucks Black Coffee — Plus donuts, because sometimes you just need the comfort food of all comfort foods. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: Small Business Administration Chicago Small Business Expo Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Work Family and...Bonus Hams?
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we're talking all about: Corporate swag vs. actual bonuses (spoiler: we want the money, not the blanket) Why "we're all family here" is a giant red flag in job postings Workplace favoritism and the halo effect — when one person can do no wrong The Peter Principle: promoting people until they're incompetent When entire departments become the favorites (looking at you, Sales) How to survive (and maybe thrive) when you're not the chosen one In this episode, Shannon and Deborah tackle the toxic "we're all family here" culture, workplace favoritism and the halo effect, the Peter Principle in action, and department favoritism where Sales gets golf trips while you fill out a PO for a pencil. But it's not all doom and gloom — they share strategies for surviving when you're not the favorite, from cross-department collaboration to the "ask forgiveness instead of permission" approach, and remind you to hold onto the real workplace relationships that actually matter. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Recognize the red flags of favoritism and fake family culture Figure out how to collaborate across departments to become the next favorite (or at least get noticed) Remember: don't let workplace dysfunction bleed into your personal life Hold onto the real relationships you build at work — those people will advocate for you in rooms you're not in Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB: Deborah: Cherry Picking — Vodka, elderflower liqueur, fresh lime juice, simple syrup, soda water. Garnish with cherry or mint. Shannon: Jazzy — Vodka, Disaronno, orange liqueur, orange juice, fresh lemon juice. Shake well and serve straight up, super cold. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: The Peter Principle (because promotions aren't always progress) Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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PTO, Shame and Hot Dogs
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we're talking all about: Why unlimited PTO is actually an illusion of flex PTO shame and why we hoard our time off like it's precious (because it is) The unspoken rules that make taking time off feel like a crime How working from home makes PTO guilt even worse Planning, scheduling, and actually honoring your time off In this episode, Shannon and Deborah are joined by special guest Chris Coladonato (aka the Connection Catalyst) to tackle the complicated world of paid time off. From companies that give you PTO then punish you for taking it, to the culture of answering emails at 9 PM that trains everyone to disrespect boundaries, they break down why we're all exhausted and what we can actually do about it. Plus, some surprisingly strong feelings about hot dogs. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Stop teaching people you're always available (put down the work phone) Plan time to decompress after your vacation ends Set up coverage plans before you leave (so you don't feel guilty) Write an out-of-office that actually protects your inbox Honor your time off instead of just scheduling it Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB: Deborah: Out of Office — Coconut rum, pineapple orange juice (basically a piña colada for PTO vibes). Shannon: Maple Bourbon Smash — Bourbon, maple syrup, orange juice, lemon juice, bitters, muddled with orange slices. Chris: Guinness Zero (or Athletic Brewing Irish Stout) — Non-alcoholic beer for pretend time off. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: Chris Coladonato, the Connection Catalyst Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Phony Book Deal and Corporate Squid Games
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we're talking all about: Why forced team building exercises make everyone scatter like roaches The difference between building culture and forcing "fun" Stay interviews vs. exit interviews (and why timing matters) When the CEO thinks they're everyone's buddy (spoiler: they're not) How to survive mandatory team building when you'd rather be anywhere else In this episode, Shannon and Deborah tackle the dreaded corporate team building exercise—from rope courses nobody asked for to virtual activities that somehow make it worse. They break down why these forced bonding sessions often backfire, what leaders get wrong about culture, and how knowing your team's actual needs (through stay interviews, not mandatory fun) makes all the difference. Plus, they share survival tips for when you're stuck doing trust falls against your will. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Learn what stay interviews are and why they beat exit interviews Understand why series beats events for building real trust Create your own team building moments (with people you actually like) Make the best of it when you can't escape the corporate games Recognize when leadership is too disconnected to plan effectively Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB: Deborah: The Halo Effect — Half ounce of gin, peach liqueur, lime juice, orange bitters, topped with Prosecco and garnished with a flower. Shannon: Shaken Daiquiri — Bacardi, lime juice, simple syrup, shaken (not frozen) with extra lime for tartness. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Badges and Betrayals
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we're talking all about: Coffee Badging: The office protest you didn't know had a name Revenge Quitting vs. Quiet Quitting: When employees fight back (loudly or silently) Rage Applying: Blanketing the internet with your resume out of pure frustration Quiet Firing: When your company makes you so miserable you quit on your own Why all of these "trends" are really just symptoms of broken workplace culture In this episode, Shannon and Deborah dive into the buzzwords taking over workplace conversations—from coffee badging (swipe in, grab coffee, bounce) to revenge quitting (bringing your whole crew with you when you leave). They break down why employees are resorting to these tactics, what signs to watch for if you're being quietly fired, and how to protect yourself when the workplace turns toxic. Plus, some real talk about blind spots, equity vs. fairness, and why documentation is your best friend. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Recognize the signs of quiet firing before it's too late Document everything (yes, screenshots count) Start "quiet learning" on the company dime while you still can Build your portfolio and LinkedIn testimonials before you need them Know when to walk away—and bring your people with you Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB: Shannon: Hot Apple Cider with Bourbon — Apple cider simmered with chunked apples, chunked oranges, and cinnamon sticks until reduced, then mixed with bourbon. Deborah: Pear Pressure — Vodka, spiced honey syrup, apple cider, lemon, topped with Prosecco. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: Fortune Magazine: Farewell, quiet quitting. 2025 could be the year of ‘revenge-quitting’ Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Performance Reviews: The Corporate Hunger Games
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we're talking all about: Why performance reviews feel like going to the principal's office How the rating system is rigged (spoiler: you're never getting that 5/5) The disconnect between widget-based work and knowledge-based work Why managers wait until the last minute and copy-paste from last year What to do instead if you want actual feedback that matters In this episode, Shannon and Deborah dig into one of corporate America's most dreaded rituals: the annual performance review. From canned responses and forced rankings to managers who "never give out a 10," they break down why this outdated system leaves 80% of employees feeling uninspired and unappreciated. But they don't just vent—they also share practical advice for both managers and employees on how to make feedback meaningful, timely, and actually useful. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Stop waiting until review time to give (or get) critical feedback Learn how to care personally while challenging directly (thank you, Kim Scott) Ask the right questions during job interviews to avoid toxic review cultures Use one-on-ones for coaching instead of just project updates Understand what "good" looks like before you're judged on it Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB: Shannon: Hot Apple Cider with Bourbon — Apple cider simmered with chunked apples, chunked oranges, and cinnamon sticks until reduced, then mixed with bourbon. Deborah: Pear Pressure — Vodka, spiced honey syrup, apple cider, lemon, topped with Prosecco. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: Performance Reviews Are Pointless and Insulting: Why Do They Still Exist? (Forbes, 2018) Radical Candor by Kim Scott Psychology Today: Less than 20% of employees feel inspired by their review (2024) Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Emotional Support Animals and Smart @$$ Goals
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it's time for another round of Drinks After Work, 2026 Edition! This time, we're talking all about: Why New Year's resolutions set us up for failure (and what to do instead) How SMART goals aren't actually that smart for personal growth The perfectionism trap that makes goal-setting feel like punishment Why reflection beats resolution every time Practical alternatives that actually work (hello, ALIGN goals) In this episode, Shannon and Deborah kick off 2026 with some real talk about why we keep setting ourselves up for disappointment every January. From SMART goals that fight against themselves to New Year's resolutions built on where we've failed, they break down why the traditional approach leaves us feeling like crap by January 5th. But it's not all doom and gloom—they share practical frameworks that focus on progress, self-compassion, and chunking big dreams into doable steps. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Ditch the guilt and perfectionism around goal-setting Learn the "Big Rock" chunking method for breaking down goals Discover ALIGN goals (Aspire, Live it, Integrate, Gauge, Nurture) Give yourself emotional grace instead of another reason to feel guilty Turn mandatory SMART goals into SMART ASS goals (yes, really) Because it wouldn't be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB picks: Shannon: Grapefruit Fizz — Fresh grapefruit juice, rosemary sugar syrup, and club soda for that Dry January vibe. Deborah: Resolution Refresher — Cranberry juice, lime, elderflower syrup, and sparkling water with frozen cranberries. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: Why SMART Goals Don't Work Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Human Resources or Human Roadblocks?
Drinks After Work with Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris: Where’s the Human in HR? Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it’s time for another round of Drinks After Work! This episode goes straight into the tension between people and policy, asking: when did human resources stop being about the humans? This time, we’re talking about: What happens when HR becomes more about protecting the company than the people Why surveys and “great place to work” badges aren’t always what they seem How trust is broken—and what it takes to rebuild it Why marginalized employees often face the worst of HR’s shortcomings What HR professionals can actually do to be human-centered again From performance improvement plans disguised as betrayal to the illusion of open doors and “employee engagement,” Shannon and Deborah get candid about their own experiences with HR. But it’s not just about calling things out—it’s about exploring what a more authentic, people-first approach could look like. So grab your drink, tune in, and get ready to: Rethink the role HR plays in your org’s culture Explore what people really want from workplace support systems Consider how L&D and HR can (and should) work together Walk away with simple, practical steps—whether you’re on the team or just surviving it Because it wouldn’t be Drinks After Work without the Happy, here are our Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) picks: Deborah: Raspberry Sangria – Fruity, punchy, and honest to a fault. Shannon: Frozen Espresso Martini – A Bon Appétit gem with brunch-level boldness. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: HR Trends: How to Build a Human-Centric Culture in 2024 Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Recruiting by Copy-Paste: What Could Go Wrong?
Drinks After Work with Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris: The Broken State of Recruiting Grab a glass, fill it up, and settle in — it’s time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we’re talking all about: How the recruiting process got so broken Why AI might actually be able to fix what’s wrong The hidden frustrations of cover letters, ATS filters, and job scams Real talk about bias, fairness, and the exhausting hunt for “culture fit” In this episode, Shannon and Deborah break down the chaotic world of modern hiring — from the absurd hoops candidates jump through to the shady practices that keep the best people out. They dig into Shannon’s LinkedIn post, the Fast Company article that sparked this debate, and the hope that AI might finally bring objectivity (and humanity) back into recruiting. So pour a drink and get ready to: Learn how AI could make job matching more human (ironically) Hear firsthand stories of recruitment gone wrong Get practical, real-world tips to navigate broken hiring systems Discover tools to help your resume stand out without gaming the system Because it wouldn’t be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB picks: Deborah: Lemon Vodka Spritz — with a splash of coconut and some good energy. Shannon: Classic Mimosa — because even recruiting rants deserve a little sparkle. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: Now OpenAI is coming for LinkedIn Shannon's LinkedIn Post OpenAI to Become For-Profit Company: Planned restructuring comes amid personnel upheaval including resignation of chief technology officer Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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The Cognitive Bias Costume Party
Pull up a chair and pour yourself something good — it’s time for another round of Drinks After Work! This time, we’re talking all about: How cognitive biases sneak into the way we design learning Why “expert syndrome” (aka Dunning-Kruger) can ruin credibility The hidden effects of the halo, horn, and affinity biases on planning and hiring False consensus and confirmation bias — and what they mean for team decision-making In this episode, Shannon and Deborah mix laughs with real talk as they unpack the ways bias shapes our work without us even realizing it. From LinkedIn bait-and-switch posts to echo chambers in the office, they connect everyday frustrations back to the subtle biases influencing how we design, teach, and lead. So sip, swig, or chug — and get ready to: Spot the biases that may be creeping into your own L&D practice Rethink how you build learner personas and team dynamics Bring contrarian voices into the room (and see why you need them) Reflect on when bias holds you back — and when it might be working in your favor Because it wouldn’t be Drinks After Work without the drinks, here are the FAB picks: Deborah: Romance Red Wine — courtesy of her new wine club subscription, keeping it simple but bougie. Shannon: A Paloma — tequila, grapefruit, and soda for a refreshing twist on summer sipping. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Mind Readers and Murder Mysteries
Grab your favorite frosty adult beverage, hit that subscribe button, and join Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris for another round of Drinks After Work! This episode is all about the real difference between engaging and compelling learning—why we confuse the two, and what it takes to actually hold attention beyond the first click. This time, we’re asking: Are we designing learning that hooks people, or just entertains them? What’s the role of curiosity and tension in getting learners to care? Why do attention spans seem shorter—and what can we do about it? How do we move beyond the checkbox of “interactivity” and into something deeper? From ChatGPT’s identity crisis to Claude’s unexpectedly helpful questions, Shannon and Deborah unpack how AI is reshaping collaboration, ideation, and even how we think about course design. They also explore how to apply marketing tactics—teasers, cliffhangers, emotional hooks—to create learning experiences that people actually want to finish. So grab your drink, tune in, and get ready to: Rethink your approach to engagement Explore how story tension and incomplete information keep people curious Move beyond learning objectives and into learner investment Get practical strategies for turning “meh” modules into meaningful moments Because it wouldn’t be Drinks After Work without the Happy, here are our Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) picks: Deborah: Rise Mushroom Coffee + Vodka – For when you need antioxidants, attitude, and just enough kick to start a new blog post. Shannon: Moonshiners Coffee Liqueur – Like Baileys’ cooler cousin, this bottle-shelf treat brings the vibe and the buzz. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: How the Little-Known Zeigarnik Effect Impacts Everyone Daily Ditch Engagement! Create Learning People Can’t Ignore Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Tax Season Survivors and Stakeholder Tamers
Pop the tab on something cold and settle in — it’s time for another round of L&D Happy Hour! This time, we’re talking all about: Why building relationships with stakeholders is harder than it sounds How shifting your language changes how you’re perceived The role of trust, curiosity, and active listening in business partnerships Baby steps for new and seasoned L&D pros to strengthen influence In this episode, Shannon and Deborah swap stories and strategies for making stakeholder partnerships work. From pizza-fueled IT meetups to rethinking what it means to have a “seat at the table,” they share both the wins and the uncomfortable truths: if L&D doesn’t learn the business, we risk being sidelined as order takers instead of true partners. So pour a drink and get ready to: Reframe your vocabulary to speak in business terms, not jargon Learn how to create authentic connections across departments Discover why listening for “hallway conversations” can open doors Find ways to show up as a trusted business partner, not a vending machine Because it wouldn’t be Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) picks: Deborah: Blackberry Mule – Tart blackberries muddled into a gingery kick, with lime to keep it fresh. Shannon: Spiced Pear Sangria – White wine blended with pear, cinnamon, and a splash of brandy for a smooth but surprising twist. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: The Buisness Case for Curiosity Empowering Questions Cards Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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The Party Schedules a Play Date at the Office
Kick off your shoes and leave the workday at the door — it’s time for another round of L&D Happy Hour! So what are we up to this time? Well, we’re talking all about: Why playfulness isn’t just for kids How rest fuels creativity (and why a nap isn’t the only answer) Breaking out of “all work, no play” culture The small shifts that make big creative breakthroughs possible From Lego Serious Play to silent brainstorming and spaces designed to spark fresh thinking, Shannon and Deborah explore how a playful mindset can transform teams, learning experiences, and even whole organizations. Along the way, they share real-world examples, personal stories, and practical tips for weaving play into work in ways that stick. So pour a drink and get ready to: Rethink how your team brainstorms Design learning spaces that inspire, not stifle Connect rest and play as part of your creative toolkit Push back on “traditional” work environments holding people back Because it wouldn’t be Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) picks: Deborah: Watermelon Cucumber Cooler – Fresh, light, and just the right mix of playful and refreshing. Shannon: Sparkling Hibiscus Limeade – A tart-meets-sweet sip with a vibrant pop of color. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: The 7 types of rest that every person needs How a Playful Mindset Can Boost Creativity on Your Team Connection Catalyst Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels. When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more. Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Dead LMS's and Dead Conversations
L&D Happy Hour with Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris: The Real Deal on Networking Dust off your mason jars and bar spoons, make sure you've smacked that subscribe button, and join Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris for another round of Learning Rebels Happy Hour! So what are we up to this time? Well, we’re talking all about: Why networking isn't just business cards and elevator pitches What to actually do after you make a connection How social media and email are part of your networking toolkit Why the follow-up matters more than the follow-through From the art behind the follow-up to the mysteries of digital business cards, this episode is all about real talk on building authentic relationships in L&D. Shannon and Deborah reflect on the do's, the don’ts, and the awkward in-betweens of trying to connect, build trust, and make those connections stick. So pour a drink and get ready to: Rethink your business card game (bonus points for a Pokémon binder) Make your follow-ups as intentional as your first impressions Use digital tools to actually connect, not just collect Challenge your networking goals to better align with your purpose Because it wouldn’t be Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) picks: Deborah: Cherry Bounce Moonshine – A sweet Southern classic with tart cherry flavor and a smooth finish. Guaranteed to raise eyebrows and expectations. Shannon: Butter Pecan Moonshine over Vanilla Ice Cream – Not just a drink—an experience. Dessert meets FAB in the most delightful way. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Cloudy with a Chance of Cheez-Its
L&D Happy Hour with Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris: Productivity, Control, and the Future of Work Break out your shakers and bar spoons, double check that subscribe button, and join Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris for another round of Learning Rebels Happy Hour! This episode explores productivity, the illusion of job security, and why CEOs are losing sleep at night. This time, we’re talking all about: Why do some organizations still struggle with relinquishing control in learning & development? What’s fueling the tension between companies and employees over skill-building and career growth? How is artificial intelligence reshaping the way businesses approach workforce planning? Why do CEOs believe 40% of their company’s work is wasted productivity—and what role does L&D play in fixing it? Shannon and Deborah explore how organizations need to rethink their approach to hiring, reskilling, and employee trust. They also challenge outdated mindsets that continue to stifle professional development and discuss how L&D can step up to drive meaningful change. So grab your drink, tune in, and get ready to: Unpack the battle between control and trust in corporate learning. Discover why companies need to focus on skills rather than just job titles. Understand how AI is changing the landscape of workforce development. Learn why job security is often just an illusion—and what to do about it. Because it wouldn’t be Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) picks: Deborah: Smoked Maple Old Fashioned – A bold twist on a classic, featuring bourbon, maple syrup, and a hint of smoked orange peel. Shannon: Hibiscus Paloma – A refreshing mix of tequila, grapefruit, and hibiscus syrup with just the right amount of tartness and sweetness. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: HR Predictions for 2024: The Global Search For Productivity Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Application Black Holes and Development Deserts
L&D Happy Hour with Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris: The Truth About Professional Development Grab your favorite frosty adult beverage, hit that subscribe button, and join Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris for another round of L&D Happy Hour! This episode dives into the real talk behind professional development—why it matters, why people aren’t taking advantage of it, and what we can do about it. Today, we’re asking the big questions: Why do companies claim they can’t find the right people when thousands are applying for jobs? How are hiring filters and unrealistic job descriptions keeping great talent out? What’s the deal with professional development? If companies offer time and money, why aren’t people using it? Should professional and personal development be separate—or are they more connected than we think? Shannon and Deborah tackle the messy reality of workplace training, career growth, and the lack of initiative when it comes to up-skilling. Plus, they unpack why some organizations say they have a "culture of learning" but don’t actually provide equal access to development opportunities. So grab your drink, tune in, and get ready to: Break down the barriers to effective professional development. Discover why taking ownership of your growth is more important than ever. Explore how companies can truly support learning instead of just checking a box. Get inspired to rethink how we approach career progression in L&D. Because it wouldn’t be Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) picks: Deborah: Blackberry Bourbon Smash – A bold mix of bourbon, fresh blackberries, a hint of mint, and a touch of honey for just the right balance of sweetness and depth. Shannon: Coconut Espresso Martini – A creamy, tropical twist on the classic espresso martini, blending coconut cream, coffee liqueur, and a shot of espresso for a rich yet refreshing kick. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Resources: It’s time to discuss the problem with ‘owning your own development’ We All Hate Professional Development, But Some of Y’all Need It Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Deborah Harris Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Ghost Interviews and Fake Job Postings
L&D Happy Hour with Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker: Personality Tests—Insights and Hot Takes! Grab your favorite frosty adult beverage, hit that subscribe button, and join Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker for another episode of the L&D Happy Hour. This time, it’s all about personality assessments—the good, the bad, and the downright problematic. Today, we’re diving headfirst into the world of personality assessments, uncovering their role in recruiting, corporate culture, and team-building. From DiSC and Myers-Briggs to their potential pitfalls, we’re asking the tough questions: Are personality assessments scientifically valid, or are they the corporate equivalent of horoscopes? How can assessments be misused to create stereotypes or fuel toxic workplace behaviors? When (if ever) do they add real value to hiring and coaching? We also reflect on how automation, like AI-powered resume screening, has transformed the hiring process—not always for the better. With stories of frustrating recruitment practices, Shannon and Brent tackle the rise of ghosting, bait-and-switch job postings, and the erosion of humanity in human resources. But don’t worry, it’s not all doom and gloom! Shannon and Brent share practical advice on what good leadership, coaching, and team-building look like without relying on assessments as a crutch. So grab your drink, tune in, and get ready to: Unpack the Barnum Effect and why personality tests feel oddly accurate (hint: it’s not magic). Discover why hiring processes often miss the mark. Explore alternative approaches to building strong teams without boxing people in. Get real about the challenges facing L&D professionals in today’s job market. And because it wouldn’t be Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) picks: Shannon: Grilled Pineapple Margarita, well balanced with a hint of smoky sweetness. Recipe: https://boulderlocavore.com/grilled-pineapple-margarita/ Brent: A classic Old Fashioned with a twist: infused with orange bitters for that extra zing. Find all our drink recipes and more at our website. Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more Hosts: Shannon Tipton & Brent Schlenker Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Finding Your Vibe and Newbies from Mars
L&D needs more energy, and so do our onboarding processes! Listen in as Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris, two L&D veterans, spill the tea (and maybe a little whiskey) on all things learning and development. No fluff, just real talk. Today Deb and I are talking about the shocking state of onboarding and why organizations are so damn complacent about it. So grab your beverage of choice and get ready to dive deep into the world of L&D with us! Explore why the L&D industry seems to have a wait-and-see mentality Discover why traditional onboarding methods are failing miserably Get our tips on how to create a truly engaging and effective onboarding experience Get inspired to transform your organization's approach to new hires So let’s all belly up to the bar! Check these resources: 24 Shocking Employee Onboarding Statistics in 2023, Oak Digital Workplace: https://www.oak.com/blog/employee-onboarding-statistics/ Onboarding Statistics for 2024, The Importance of the Process: https://teamstage.io/onboarding-statistics/ What Does Poor Onboarding Really Do To Your Team: https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/9936-consequences-poor-onboarding.html Because it wouldn’t be a Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our recommendations for your Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) of choice: Deborah: Sunday Drive by Motherload Brewing! This beer is hop-derived and has notes of citrus, leading to a gentle malt body that ends in a crisp, dry finish. Shannon: I cannot get this FAB out of my mind! Roasted Pineapple Margarita. With Summer in full-swing, it’s a must-try! https://boulderlocavore.com/grilled-pineapple-margarita/
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Pay-to-Play and Remote Work Ecosystem
Happy Hour with Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker: Join Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker for a blend of business smarts and L&D war stories. Don’t miss our happy hour recommendations at the end of these notes! Today, we're dissecting what’s up with pay-to-play conferences and equity in remote work. When it comes to remote work, there are many organizations taking a hard stance - return to office or else. Shannon and Brent are debating today: What are an organization's obligations to ensure that remote workers are offered the same growth opportunities as those who are in the office? Are they receiving the same learning opportunities? Is there access to the same resources and support? How can we better support managers with remote teams? How can we think differently about hybrid learning environments? When it comes to thinking differently about remote vs in-office opportunities, what changes need to be made and how can L&D support those changes? But before we dig into this, what’s up with pay-to-play conferences and awards!? Shannon Tipton brings up a common frustration about being asked to participate in conferences and gain awards, but having to pay for the privilege. Those who have been in the industry for more than a few years may be aware that this happens - so now it’s time to alert those who may not be aware that this is not how to gain exposure. So grab your drink, tune in and get ready to: Learn the industry’s hidden play-to-play reward system Why the strong push for “return to office,” is it all a conspiracy theory? Mismanagement of remote workers How we can better support the remote learner? How can we think differently about the structure of L&D programs for hybrid workers? Check these resources: The Economist: Remote Workers Workers Work Longer Not More Effeciently https://www.economist.com/business/2021/06/10/remote-workers-work-longer-not-more-efficiently Forbes: 18 Ways to Support Remote Workers https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbescoachescouncil/2023/08/08/18-impactful-ways-leaders-can-support-remote-employees-in-2023/ HBR: Guide to Managing Your Newly Remote Workers https://hbr.org/2020/03/a-guide-to-managing-your-newly-remote-workers Because it wouldn’t be a Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our recommendations for your Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) of choice: Brent: Stone Brewing Tangerine Express Hazy IPA Stone Brewing's hazy IPA gets a juicy boost from real tangerine puree in every batch. This adds not just a vibrant, hazy look, but a burst of citrus that perfectly complements the brew's bold hops Shannon: Rose Sangria: It’s too HOT, and you need something refreshing! A sangria always does it for me! https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/michael-symon/rose-sangria-8900276 Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more Host: Shannon Tipton & Brent Schlenker Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Leadership Development Failure & What? Another Tool?
Happy Hour with Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker: (00:00) Shifting Landscape of LinkedIn Marketing (16:06) Business Acumen in L&D Professionals (25:33) Business Acumen in L&D (37:06) Building Business Acumen Skill Join Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker for a blend of LinkedIn hacks, business smarts, and L&D war stories. Don’t miss our happy hour recommendations at the end of these notes! Today we're dissecting why Leadership Development Programs fail. What we do know is that organizations spend an embarrassingly amount of money of leadership programs that: Never leave the starting blocks Once it leaves the starting blocks, they don’t progress or fail to get adopted Are shelved after new leadership takes over. What Shannon and Brent are debating today is - forget planning your next leadership program, it may be time to consider what your organizational culture is like and will it support the change needed to sustain the ongoing attention that true development requires. Leadership development programs fall short when they lack alignment with the organization's goals, fail to secure buy-in from management, or neglect to provide ongoing support and opportunities for applying learned skills on the job. What’s disheartening is that these shortcomings leave participants with valuable knowledge and the energy to put new behavioral tools into action. But without the necessary environment or reinforcement to translate that knowledge into lasting behavioral change, it’s wasted time and effort, leaving the participant feeling cheated and cynical. But before we dig into this, does the world need another measurement tool? Brent brings into the forefront a conversation about CFW (connected frontline worker) programs. Is it just another superpowered Learning Management System, or is this the new tool that will really connect L&D and operations? So grab your drink, tune in and get ready to: Learn more about CFW tools and their possibilities The Great Training Train Robbery! The connection between culture and leadership How L&D can support the culture needed to create great leadership programs What can we do to make leadership behaviors stick Cheers to all the L&D rockstars! Check these resources: HBR: Why Leadership Training Fails and What to Do About It. https://hbr.org/2016/10/why-leadership-training-fails-and-what-to-do-about-it Ray Williams: Why Leadership Development Programs Fail and How to Do It the Right Way. https://raybwilliams.medium.com/why-leadership-development-programs-fail-and-how-to-do-it-the-right-way-a5967811ba43 McKinsey: What’s Missing in Leadership Development https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/leadership/whats-missing-in-leadership-development Because it wouldn’t be a Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our recommendations for your Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) of choice: Brent: Sunday Drive by Motherload Brewing! This beer is hop-derived and has notes of citrus, leading to a gentle malt body that ends in a crisp, dry finish. Shannon: The Desert Bird! Tequila, Check! Pineapple Check! Campari, YES, please! All the fixings for the perfect, Spring has sprung cocktail. Enjoy! https://food52.com/recipes/77632-the-desert-bird-cocktail Be part of the Learning Rebels Community. Continue the conversation while building connections and capability. Learn more here. Join the Coffee Chat conversations Be part of Learning Rebels live Coffee Chat Discussions! Sign up here. Hire Learning Rebels When you need learning that sticks, we’ll fight to make performance results happen. Visit the Learning Rebels website to learn more Host: Shannon Tipton & Brent Schlenker Podcast produced by: Obsidian Productions
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Business Acumen and Spammy Spam
L&D Happy Hour with Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker: Business Acumen and Spammy Spam! Don't forget to hit the subscribe button and join Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker for a blend of LinkedIn hacks, business smarts, and L&D war stories. Don’t miss our happy hour recommendations at the end of these notes! (00:00) Shifting Landscape of LinkedIn Marketing (16:06) Business Acumen in L&D Professionals (25:33) Business Acumen in L&D (37:06) Building Business Acumen Skill Today, we're peeling back the layers of today's LinkedIn, revealing how it's morphed from a professional networking utopia into a marketing coliseum. Then, cheers to the 78% of L&D professionals who ventured into this domain from other careers—because today we're addressing the elephant in the room: business acumen. Discover how understanding the financial heartbeat of your organization and aligning with your leader's vision can catapult L&D from being a just another pretty PPT creator to a real problem solver. Next, we share our thoughts to help you cement your value, from aligning with business needs to building bridges across departments. It's a cocktail of humor, wisdom, and actionable advice to make your L&D department invaluable. So grab your drink, tune in, and get ready to: Navigate LinkedIn's marketing maze Master business acumen for L&D pros Give your L&D department a fighting chance of being future-proof Cheers to all the L&D rockstars! Check these resources: The uncomfortable truth: L&D leaders are not prepared for executive conversations https://www.linkedin.com/posts/guywwallace_the-uncomfortable-truth-ld-leaders-are-activity-7156301427546472450-otUi Aligning learning: 3 essential skills executives need in L&D managers: https://www.chieflearningofficer.com/2023/09/08/aligning-learning-3-essential-skills-executives-need-in-ld-managers/ Why Business Acumen is an L&D Professional's Most Underrated Skill: https://360learning.com/blog/business-acumen/ Because it wouldn’t be a Happy Hour without the Happy, here are our recommendations for your Frosty Adult Beverage (FAB) of choice: Brent: Sunday Drive by Motherload Brewing! This beer is hop-derived and has notes of citrus, leading to a gentle malt body that ends in a crisp, dry finish. Shannon: I cannot get this FAB out of my mind! Roasted Pineapple Margarita. With Spring just around the corner, it’s a must-try! https://boulderlocavore.com/grilled-pineapple-margarita/
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Skills Agenda and Just Another Tuesday
Grab your favorite frosty adult beverage, hit the subscribe button, and take a ride with Shannon Tipton and Brent Schlenker as they discuss the skills agenda - why is there even a "skills agenda," and why are yearly recaps a remix of lists from previous years and not particularly helpful. Sharing their opinions on the importance of systems, AI, and Curation are guests: JD Dillon, Myra Roldan, and Mike Taylor. Plus, parting words as a tribute to Jay Jimenez and Bob Pike. Full Transcript: https://otter.ai/u/osGDhBhPaa8sQKLhqr_Z7CDVnLk Articles discussed in this episode: Beyond the Hype: Predicting the Biggest L&D Trends for 2024: https://www.hr.com/en/magazines/all_articles/beyond-the-hype-predicting-the-biggest-l-d-trends-_lqxmaw1d.html Future-Proofing L&D Developing the Right Skills: https://redthreadresearch.com/future-proofing-ld-developing-the-right-skills/ PwC 27th Annual Global CEO Survey: https://www.pwc.com/us/en/library/ceo-survey.html Exploring the Top 10 Learning and Development Trends for 2023 by Adobe: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/exploring-top-10-learning-development-trends-2023/
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Join Shannon Tipton and Deborah Harris, L&D industry pros, as they offer their unique takes on the latest trends and topics in L&D. This isn’t just another L&D podcast – it’s your backstage pass to the lively, sometimes unexpected, and always engaging discussions between two pros who have seen it all.Each episode is a journey through ideas, spirited debates, and compelling stories that promise to reshape your approach to learning and development. It’s time to hit subscribe, tune in to laugh, learn, and maybe even change your mind about a thing or two.
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