Hack Your Hazcom

Atanu joins Rob Mitkus, a PhD toxicologist with 25 years’ experience across pesticides, industrial chemicals, vaccine components, medical devices, and consumer products, to discuss how toxicology underpins Safety Data Sheets (SDS) and HazCom/GHS compliance. Rob defines toxicity as harm under specific conditions and emphasizes SDS content and precautions should be evidence-driven and understandable to downstream users including workers, consumers, and first responders. They discuss reliance on animal “sentinel species,” the rise of new approach methodologies (in vitro, in silico, machine learning), and validation/acceptance via bodies such as OECD and ICCVAM, noting limits for complex endpoints like carcinogenicity and reproductive toxicity. Rob critiques GHS concepts like “intrinsic toxicity,” the definition of sensitization, and hazard-only/binary classifications, stressing dose-response and exposure. He highlights the psychology of threat perception from pictograms and calls for better training and toxicologist involvement in future standards.

The host interviews Adele Abrams, an attorney and safety professional at Littler Mendelson, about legal and practical risks facing OSHA/MSHA regulation and HazCom. Abrams explains the Allstates Refractory nondelegation argument—revived by Justices Thomas and Gorsuch—and a new Fifth Circuit case that could invalidate many OSHA rules issued under general rulemaking authority, potentially shrinking the CFR and affecting MSHA similarly, amid a broader Trump-era deregulatory review. She warns that weakening HazCom could increase tort exposure for manufacturers and employers by removing a key “sophisticated user” defense tied to robust SDS communication and training. The discussion covers outdated PELs, possible general duty clause enforcement (e.g., a styrene case), the importance of integrating SDS Section 8 into PPE assessments, technology/access failures at remote sites, SDS retention for long-latency illness claims, and why HazCom remains a top-cited, life-saving standard.00:00 Meet Adele Abrams01:07 Allstates Refractory Fallout02:41 Nondelegation Challenge Explained05:31 EPA vs OSHA Authority07:50 Congress and Rulemaking Limits10:55 MSHA Parallels and Disasters14:30 Why HazCom Still Matters15:20 Tort Liability Floodgates18:00 SDS Breakdown in Practice24:21 Tech Reliance and Emergencies29:20 Real World Chemical Incidents32:02 GHS Updates and Bottlenecks35:42 Control Banding Fizzles36:25 GHS Building Blocks37:49 Global Standards Pressure39:54 Training Workers Properly41:08 Multi Employer HazCom Duties42:11 Z Tables and General Duty47:19 Silica Rule Delays Fallout55:11 Reputation and Community Trust58:11 SDS Driven PPE Assessments01:03:55 Dusty Binders and Retention01:08:29 HazCom ROI Final Takeaways01:10:55 Closing Thanks and Contact

In this episode we speak with security analyst and bestselling author Robert Siciliano about the “human blind spot” that causes safety and security programs to fail despite strong technology and rules. Robert explains how optimism bias, cognitive ease, fatigue, and reinforced shortcuts drive complacency, making annual check-the-box training feel like white noise and creating “security theater.” He outlines practical ways to make messages stick: shift from lectures to dialogue, use micro-learning and “yes ladder” rapport-building, simplify dense protocols for cognitive fluency with clear icons and prioritized hazards, and treat phishing like a workplace hazard with frictionless one-click reporting. He emphasizes replacing shame-based reactions with empathy and system-focused learning to build a participatory culture where every worker becomes an active sensor, making safety and security a shared reflex and ongoing journey.

In this episode, we discuss the scientific and regulatory definitions of flammability and combustibility. The episode details different categories of flammable and combustible liquids based on their flashpoints and boiling points, and explains the classification systems of OSHA, GHS, and NFPA. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the flashpoint and combustibility of materials in various work environments, the implications of aerosolization, and the potential for spontaneous combustion in oily rags. The discussion covers the relevance of different test methods and standards used in hazard communication and risk assessment in industrial settings.00:00 Introduction and Greetings01:13 Scientific Definition of Vulnerability01:53 OSHA GHS Flashpoint Test04:08 NFPA Classification System09:12 Combustible Liquids and Aerosols13:13 Regulatory Standards and Harmonization18:28 Practical Implications and Worker Safety28:00 Understanding Flashpoints and Their Implications28:44 Technical Committees and Standards29:27 Flammability Tests and Methods32:49 Hazard Communication and Process Safety36:51 Challenges with Dust and Nanoparticles43:04 Regulatory Standards and Compliance50:32 Training and Continuous Improvement54:14 Final Thoughts on Hazard Management

In this engaging episode of Hack Your Hazcom, we welcome Melissa Owen, founder of AMBIENTELEGAL and a top expert in regulatory compliance and sustainability throughout Latin America. Melissa shares her extensive knowledge in navigating the complexities of environmental regulations in the region. Discussing everything from the absence of centralized regulatory bodies like the EU to the rising role of OECD in promoting chemical compliance, Melissa provides insight into the complicated landscape of Latin American regulatory frameworks. This episode is ideal for multinational companies trying to understand chemical regulations, extended producer responsibility, and the shifting details of Latin America's legal environment. It’s a must-watch for compliance professionals. Tune in to gain valuable insights into regional trade groups, emerging regulatory trends, and key takeaways for businesses aiming to succeed in Latin America.

Welcome to Jennifer Koenig, an expert with over 30 years of regulatory compliance experience, who shares insights on ISO audits, including ISO 14001 for environmental management and ISO 45001 for health and safety. Jennifer discusses the importance of compliance audits, the role of internal and third-party audits, and the value of ISO standards in risk management. She also touches on the challenges companies face in maintaining regulatory compliance, the training needs for EHS managers, and the benefits of employee engagement in safety programs. Additionally, she provides guidance on selecting certifying bodies and emphasizes the necessity of identifying and addressing risks to ensure a robust compliance system.00:00 Introduction to Today's Episode00:04 Meet Jennifer: Compliance Expert00:55 Diving into Auditing Trends01:16 Understanding ISO Standards03:17 Challenges in Compliance Audits05:49 The Role of an ISO Auditor07:11 Managing Risks and Root Causes08:41 Training and Knowledge Gaps16:08 The Importance of Internal Audits20:44 ISO Certification and Compliance24:23 Enhancing Company Culture with Safety Committees25:48 Integrating ISO 45001 with ISO 1400126:37 Understanding ISO Audit Days and Discounts31:06 The Importance of Internal Audits32:07 Steps to Becoming ISO Certified36:07 Choosing the Right Registrar39:51 Maintaining Auditor Certifications44:45 Final Thoughts on Risk Management

We welcome Manuela Dukeshire, an expert in hazard communication and global SDS authoring with over 16 years of experience. Manuela discusses the complexities and evolving nature of hazard classification and regulatory compliance, emphasizing the importance of staying updated with legislation and engaging with professional societies. She provides practical advice on managing multi-country SDS requirements, aligning different sections of SDS, and the significance of balancing regulations with real-world applications. This insightful conversation is essential listening for professionals navigating the challenging terrain of chemical hazard communication.00:00 Introduction and Guest Background01:31 Changes in Hazard Communication02:29 Challenges and Rewards in the Field03:39 Customer Challenges and Solutions05:27 Common Mistakes in Hazard Communication07:09 Navigating International Regulations10:24 Data Quality and Hazard Classification16:26 Creating and Reviewing SDS30:00 Future Trends in Hazard Communication35:26 Conclusion and Final Takeaways

We welcome Steve Laughlin, owner of CJ and K Training, who shares his extensive experience in Environmental Health and Safety (EH&S). The conversation covers a wide range of topics from the complications of Safety Data Sheets (SDS) in spill response and waste disposal to the importance of accurate chemical information and regulatory hurdles. We also delve into the frustrations faced by professionals working with incomplete or confusing SDSs and the need for more stringent enforcement and legislation to improve the quality and clarity of these essential documents.00:00 Welcome to Day Two of the Summit00:21 Introducing Steve Laughlin00:55 Parody Song and Safety Data Sheets02:23 Challenges with Safety Data Sheets03:04 Real-World Issues and Frustrations05:19 Waste Disposal Industry Insights07:08 The Need for Better Chemical Disclosure10:11 Regulatory Standards and Compliance11:39 Similarities Between Regulations and Religion12:23 The Complexity of Safety Data Sheets (SDS)12:55 Challenges with Transportation Information on SDS13:21 Issues with DOT Compliance and SDS Accuracy14:08 The Role of Chemists and Compliance in SDS Creation16:25 Training and Compliance: Real-World Examples19:07 The Importance of Clear and Understandable SDS22:18 Final Thoughts and Takeaways

This episode features an in-depth conversation with Corrine Greenberg, an EHS manager at Eckhart America's Louisville facility, discussing her innovative approach to hazard communication at the EHS Summit in Louisville, Kentucky. Corrine shares how she transformed traditional hazard communication (HAZCOM) training into a public-facing course tailored for sensitive populations in the community. Inspired by the 2023 East Palestine train derailment, she developed a multi-part course to educate the public on hazardous materials, air emissions, and risk management, filling critical knowledge gaps and empowering individuals with actionable insights. This comprehensive discussion covers the motivation, development, implementation, and community impact of the training program, highlighting its importance in fostering transparent and informed community engagement.00:00 Welcome to the EHS Summit00:12 Introducing Corrine Greenberg01:45 Hazard Communication Session Overview03:15 The East Palestine Train Derailment04:51 LEPC's Role and Response06:10 Developing a Public-Facing HazCom Course08:45 Beta Testing and Refining the Course16:28 Rolling Out the Course to the Public23:10 Understanding Air Emissions27:45 Modeling and Shelter in Place28:37 Understanding Toxic Inhalation Hazards30:53 Risk Management Session31:49 Community Engagement and Incident Response35:13 Addressing Community Concerns36:15 Lessons from Past Incidents39:55 Effective Hazard Communication42:00 Promoting LEPC and Community Involvement47:22 Personal Reflections and Career Insights51:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this episode, recorded live at the AHMP Hazmat Summit, Atanu interviews Becky Neal, a Senior Strategic Manager of Compliance at Envita Solutions. Becky provides insights into the complexities of regulatory support for hazardous waste disposal and recycling. She discusses the challenges of using Safety Data Sheets (SDS) for waste profiling, addressing the disconnect between the information provided and the real-world requirements of disposal facilities. The conversation touches on the limitations of SDSs, the importance of accurate waste characterization, and the regulatory demands from the EPA, OSHA, and DOT. Becky shares her experiences and strategies for obtaining reliable information to meet regulatory standards and ensure safe disposal practices.00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction00:52 The Importance of Communication in Compliance01:28 Understanding the HAZ Waste Industry02:22 Challenges with SDS Documentation03:40 Navigating Regulatory Requirements07:04 Dealing with Proprietary Ingredients08:45 Testing and Profiling Waste18:02 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this episode, Atanu welcomes Jonelle Thomas, a Global Regulatory Affairs Manager at Microban International, to share her career journey. Jonelle discusses her academic background in biochemistry and toxicology, her early career aspirations, and her transition from research to regulatory affairs. She highlights the importance of mentorship in shaping her career path and shares insights into the regulatory field, including challenges faced, lessons learned, and the significance of networking and continuous learning. The episode also delves into strategies for engaging in hazard communication and balancing compliance with creating a safety culture. Jonelle underscores the dynamic nature of the regulatory profession and encourages newcomers to explore opportunities in this impactful field.00:00 Introduction to Today's Guest: Jonelle Thomas01:12 Jonelle's Early Career and Education01:49 Transitioning from Research to Regulatory Affairs03:18 Discovering Product Management and Mentorship05:24 Entering the Regulatory Field14:18 Challenges in Regulatory Affairs19:23 Lessons Learned and Common Mistakes28:15 The Importance of Genuine Interest in Your Career28:57 Soft Skills and Interview Preparation29:46 Proud Achievements: Lean Six Sigma Yellow Belt33:30 Challenges and Learning from Setbacks40:01 Engaging Hazard Communication Strategies42:17 Balancing Compliance and Safety Culture44:52 Digital Tools and Professional Networks49:59 Skills, Certifications, and Future Trends55:36 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

In this episode we welcome Donna Switzer, a certified sustainability professional and environmental auditor, to discuss the principles and importance of corporate sustainability. Donna explains the formal definition of sustainability from the Rio Earth Summit and the core elements of environmental footprint, social impact, and regulatory compliance. She shares practical examples of successful corporate sustainability programs and emphasizes the value of focusing on long-term business objectives. Donna also highlights common barriers to adopting sustainability initiatives and provides strategies for overcoming them. The episode concludes with recommendations for resources and the significance of company-wide involvement in sustainability efforts.00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome01:30 Defining Sustainability02:48 Corporate Sustainability Programs03:57 Historical Context of Sustainability04:40 Environmental Footprint Explained05:56 Examples of Environmental Impact09:32 Hazard Communication and Sustainability13:11 Social Aspects of Sustainability18:05 Navigating Political Agendas in Sustainability22:10 Successful Corporate Sustainability Initiatives28:51 Impact of Social Issues on Business30:08 Barriers to Implementing Sustainability Programs32:11 Involving the Whole Company in Sustainability34:52 Challenges and Standards in Sustainability38:09 Developing a Two-Year Sustainability Plan44:39 Resources for Implementing Sustainability48:09 Recommended Books on Sustainability49:30 Final Thoughts on Sustainability

In this episode, we welcome Doug Strock, Vice President of Global Language Translations and Consulting who shares his extensive insights into the complexities of global hazard communication through translation. The conversation covers strategies for effective communication across a multilingual workforce, the challenges faced by non-English speakers, and real-world examples where translation issues impacted safety and compliance. Doug also discusses the role of AI in translation, its benefits and limitations, and the importance of human oversight. The episode concludes with best practices for vetting language service providers, ensuring translation accuracy, and managing large-scale SDS translation projects.00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction01:09 Challenges in Global Hazard Communication04:24 Real-World Examples of Translation Issues06:56 Measuring Effectiveness of Translated Materials11:18 AI and Machine Translation in Safety Documents20:12 Choosing the Right Translation Provider26:44 Testing Vendor Responses27:28 Regulatory References and Linguistic Testing28:29 International Standards for SDS Translations30:16 Challenges with ATA Certification34:32 Best Practices for SDS Translation Requests38:21 Managing Large Scale SDS Translation Projects43:52 Balancing Cost and Quality in Translation Services47:22 Integrating SDS Translation with Document Needs50:01 The Role of AI in Translation Services51:21 Conclusion and Contact Information

In this episode, our guests, Michelle Baker and Beth Dederick, discuss the intricacies of product stewardship. Michelle, with over 25 years of experience in product stewardship and regulatory compliance, and Beth, with more than 20 years in environmental consulting, share their expertise on the importance of product stewardship. They explain the concept, the roles of various stakeholders, and the global implications of regulatory compliance. The discussion explores challenges such as delivering bad news to stakeholders and the need for early involvement of product stewards in product development to avoid costly mistakes. They emphasize the importance of communication, forward-thinking, and collaboration within organizations to ensure product safety, sustainability, and compliance.00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions02:10 Understanding Product Stewardship05:31 Corporate Stakeholders in Product Stewardship11:30 Global Collaboration and Compliance Challenges14:57 Delivering Bad News in Product Stewardship25:15 Proactive Planning and Forecasting28:52 Feedback on Delivering Bad News30:20 Navigating Product Stewardship Challenges32:04 Company Philosophy on Compliance32:54 Reformulation and Market Impact38:12 Sustainability and Product Stewardship40:27 Communication and Training48:47 Consultants and Collaboration50:33 Benefits of Early Product Stewardship53:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this episode, we sit down with John Newquist, a nationally recognized expert in occupational safety and health, to discuss the effectiveness of safety training programs, particularly for hazard communication (HazCom). John shares insights from his four decades of experience, focusing on challenges faced by workers with low literacy or limited English proficiency. He emphasizes the importance of bilingual trainers, visual aids, hands-on demonstrations, and the proactive involvement of supervisors and managers. John also addresses common issues such as inadequate personal protective equipment, the need for effective emergency responses, and fostering a safety culture where employees feel comfortable asking questions. For more information on John's extensive background and publications, visit hackyourhazcom.com.00:00 Introduction 02:13 Common Challenges in Safety Training04:15 Effective Training Methods for Low Literacy Workers06:04 Real-Life Examples and Visual Aids08:31 Assessing and Improving Safety Training17:04 Fostering a Proactive Safety Culture23:49 Special Considerations for Specific Industries32:53 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Atanu Das is joined by Gene Sanders, a veteran expert with over 25 years of experience in handling dangerous goods, hazardous materials, and pharmaceutical safety. The episode delves deep into the intricate world of compliance with GHS and various international and national transportation regulations. Gene explains the differences in hazard classifications between OSHA and DOT in the U.S., as well as the complexities of adhering to international standards set by bodies like ICAO and IATA. The discussion covers the impact of different transport modes, packaging types, and subjective criteria on the classification process. Gene emphasizes the need for comprehensive transport classification training for those filling out Section 14 of safety data sheets and offers practical advice on handling the gray areas of regulation to ensure compliance and safety.00:00 Introduction and Guest Background02:45 Understanding Hazardous Materials and Dangerous Goods03:35 US Regulatory Agencies and Their Roles06:11 International Regulations and Harmonization09:40 Philosophical Differences in Risk Management13:34 GHS and Transport Classification15:50 Practical Examples and Case Studies31:31 Training Requirements and Enforcement33:24 Retraining Requirements and Frequency35:00 Impact of Transportation Mode on Regulations38:46 Subjective vs. Objective Criteria in Transport Regulations43:02 Environmental Hazards and US Regulations48:26 Complexities in Shipping Classifications58:00 Training and Expanding Section 14

In this episode of HYH, we meet Anne DeMasi, a prominent figure in hazard and regulatory compliance. Anne shares her professional journey, which began in the laboratories of Rohm and Haas Company and evolved to her current role as Global Regulatory Manager at Rio Tinto Lithium. The conversation covers her responsibilities, career transitions, and the challenges and changes in the field of hazard communication. Anne also offers insights into effective regulatory management, the importance of science in the profession, and her views on mentoring and hiring new professionals in the field. The episode provides a thorough look at the complexities and rewards of a career in hazard communication.00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview01:34 Early Career and Transition to Hazard Communication03:53 Roles and Responsibilities in Hazard Communication05:35 Training and Compliance in Hazard Communication09:08 Global Impact and Evolution of Hazard Communication15:42 Auditing and Best Practices22:56 Reflections on Career and Industry Changes26:41 AI in Education: Critical Thinking and QA28:30 Challenges in Data Management and Regulations30:58 Hazardous Waste Management Insights32:43 Career Paths in Hazard Communication39:04 Managing Change in Regulatory Processes48:26 The Importance of Science and Critical Thinking49:46 Conclusion and Future Topics

In this episode, Sonia Razzaque, a seasoned professional with over 20 years of experience in product stewardship (PS) discusses the challenges and nuances in Safety Data Sheets (SDS) management. The conversation tackles the '50 Shades of Gray' in regulatory compliance, covering topics such as the weight of evidence, ascertaining data, supplier cooperation, and global regulatory differences. The episode also delves into the critical aspects of hazard communication training, mergers and acquisitions, and labeling issues, providing valuable insights for professionals navigating the complex world of chemical regulatory compliance.

This episode of Hack Your Hazcom dives into practical strategies and insights for hazard communication with Sarah Henderson, founder of Henderson Solutions, a woman-owned firm specializing in hazardous materials management and regulatory compliance. Sarah, a nationally recognized leader in OSHA and hazard communication, shares her vision for the future of chemical safety, emphasizing the importance of clear communication, proactive chemical management, and the integration of new technologies. The conversation explores the evolution of safety data sheets (SDSs), the challenges companies face in managing chemical inventories, and the impact of digital innovation on environmental health and safety.

In this episode, we welcome Bruce Donato, a principal with K&A First Aid and Safety. With over 40 years of experience in chemical engineering and industrial safety, Bruce shares his insights on Safety Data Sheets (SDS), compliance training, and emergency preparedness. We delve into common questions about SDS requirements, the role of regulatory bodies like OSHA and the EPA, and the practicalities of compliance in various industries. This conversation also covers complex topics such as the classification of chemicals, the impact of GHS standards, and the significance of understanding safety data for effective risk management.