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Leadership Spot Check: Two Old Friends (Who Happen to Be Navy Chaplains)
by Dr. Ryan Daffron and Bill Wickham
Two friends. Twenty years of ministry. From youth pastors to Navy chaplains, we’ve shared life, leadership, and faith through every season. This podcast is our space to talk about character that lasts, leadership that serves, and spirituality that sustains. Along the way, we’ll swap stories from the pulpit and the fleet, mix in some laughter, and wrestle with what it means to live with integrity and purpose. If you’re hungry for honest, hope-filled conversations, you’re in the right place.
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Toxic Performer
The Toxic High PerformerDana leads a high-performing operations team in a fast-growing organization. The tempo is high. Expectations are clear. Results drive everything. And on her team, one person stands above everyone else.Marcus.Marcus outperforms the rest of the team by a wide margin — sometimes by 30 to 40 percent. Clients request him by name. Senior leadership points to his numbers as the benchmark. When quarterly results are discussed, his name always comes up.If performance alone defined value, Marcus would be the model employee.But culture lives in the margins, not the metrics.In meetings, Marcus interrupts people and corrects them publicly. He sends blunt emails late at night critiquing teammates and copies leadership. He withholds information until the last moment so he stays ahead. When asked to mentor junior employees, he shrugs it off.“I’m not here to carry people.”At first, it’s dismissed as intensity. Competitiveness. Drive.But slowly, the team begins to change.People hesitate before speaking in meetings. Collaboration tightens. Information stops flowing naturally. A few strong employees begin exploring transfers. One junior employee tells Dana quietly,“I feel like I’m always one mistake away from being embarrassed.”Still — the numbers are excellent.Senior leadership notices performance, not tension. During one conversation, Dana’s supervisor tells her,“He’s not the easiest personality… but he delivers. We need that right now.”Weeks pass.Then during a major project review, Marcus publicly blames a teammate for a delay. He implies she dropped the ball. She says nothing in the meeting — but afterward she walks into Dana’s office and closes the door.“I can handle pressure,” she says.“I can’t handle being thrown under the bus.”Two days later, she submits a transfer request. She’s one of the most promising future leaders on the team.Now Dana sits with a reality she can’t ignore.Her top performer is producing results.And simultaneously draining trust from the team.If Marcus stays exactly as he is, the team will likely keep hitting its numbers — at least for a while.If Marcus leaves, production drops immediately.If she confronts him and he reacts badly, she risks losing her strongest producer.If she does nothing, she may slowly lose everyone else.There is no policy manual for this moment.No spreadsheet that measures cultural erosion in real time.Just a leader staring at competing priorities:Performance.People.Short-term wins.Long-term health.Dana schedules a one-on-one meeting with Marcus.He walks in confident, assuming it’s another conversation about targets or upcoming projects.Instead, the conversation turns toward team dynamics. Trust. Impact. Perception.For the first time, Marcus hears directly that his presence may be affecting the team in ways that don’t show up on performance reports.He listens.Then he pushes back.Then he asks a question:“So what exactly are you saying?”
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Summit Fever
By the mid-1990s, climbing Mt. Everest had evolved from elite expeditionary mountaineering into a commercial enterprise. Guiding companies such as Adventure Consultants, led by renowned climber Rob Hall, charged high fees to lead paying clients, many with limited high-altitude experience, to the summit of the world’s tallest mountain.Climbers spent weeks acclimatizing to extreme altitude by rotating between Base Camp and progressively higher camps (Camp I through Camp IV). The summit push from Camp IV required precise timing, disciplined decision-making, and strict adherence to safety protocols, particularly turnaround times designed to ensure descent before nightfall and severe weather. The expedition included climbers of widely varying experience levels. Some were highly skilled mountaineers; others were relatively inexperienced clients heavily dependent on guides for survival. All were physically deteriorating from altitude sickness, weight loss, and exhaustion.On summit day, Rob Hall set a firm 2:00 p.m. turnaround time. Any climber not at the summit by then was required to descend, regardless of proximity to the top. This rule was intended to prevent climbers from being trapped in darkness or storms during descent. However, as summit attempts unfolded, the turnaround time was not enforced. Several climbers, including Hall and client Doug Hansen, continued toward the summit well past the deadline, reaching it as late as 4:00 p.m. At the same time, another guided team led by Scott Fischer was also pushing toward the summit behind schedule. Shortly after these delayed summits, a violent storm struck the mountain.The late summit attempts left multiple climbers exposed high on the mountain as the storm intensified. Key failures compounded the situation:· Climbers ran out of supplemental oxygen.· Communication between teams became fragmented.· Visibility collapsed in the blizzard.· Exhausted climbers could not descend without assistance.Several climbers became stranded near the summit. Rescue attempts were heroic but costly. Guides and Sherpas risked and, in some cases, lost their lives while attempting to save clients and fellow climbers.Some stranded climbers died where they fell. Others were presumed dead and left behind. In one extraordinary case, climber Beck Weathers, left for dead, regained consciousness and staggered back to camp, ultimately surviving despite severe frostbite and multiple amputations.By the end of the season, twelve climbers had died on Everest.
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SEASON 3: Secrets and Cover
Case Study: Tom is widely respected. He’s known as fair, mission-focused, and deeply loyal to his people. The kind of leader others want to work for.One of his team members, Jake, is struggling. Divorce. Custody battle. Financial stress. Jake’s performance has slipped, but everyone knows why. He’s still trying. He’s just not at his best.There’s a high-visibility project coming up. If it fails, the entire team looks bad. If it succeeds, it protects funding and positions the department well for the next year. Jake is supposed to lead a critical piece of it.Tom believes in second chances. He also believes in protecting his people. Quietly, without telling senior leadership, Tom shifts some of Jake’s responsibilities to another team member and backfills Jake’s deliverables himself late at night. On paper, it looks like Jake is still leading. In reality, Tom is carrying him.The project succeeds. Leadership above Tom is thrilled. Jake keeps his role. The team is spared scrutiny. But a few things start to surface. The teammate who picked up the slack feels resentful. They weren’t asked. They were told. They see Jake still getting credit.Jake feels relief… but also shame. He knows he’s being covered for. He becomes less confident, not more. Tom feels justified. He protected his people. He kept the mission on track.But now he’s tired. He’s carrying work that isn’t his. He’s managing perceptions. He’s protecting a story that isn’t fully true. No policy was technically broken. But something is off.
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Empathy & Enthusiasm: Making good leaders better
Season 2 finale as we discuss what it takes to be a good leader even better.Here is the link Bill refered to on empthy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Evwgu369Jw
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Loyalty: The Power of Presence
What is loyalty? Can it be blind? Find out!
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Knowledge:Saber y Conocer
There more than 1 way to know something. Find out!
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Courage: Deciding to Be the Best Part of Yourself
What is courage and what does it look like. Listen in as we explore what it means to have courage
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Unselfishness: Pursing Servant Leadership
What does it mean to be selfless? How can we be people who serve others while leading them to greatness? Find out in this episode!
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Bearing: Stewarding the climate you create
Join us as we discuss the importance of leadership bearing.
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Endurance: Stamina To Stay Resilient
There’s a kind of strength you can see, the kindthat pushes weight, runs miles, or stays awake on watch. And then there’s a strength you can’t see the kind that holds a heart steady when life gets heavy. That’s endurance. It’s not about finishing first; it’s about staying faithful. Today, we’re breaking it down into three parts —physical, emotional, and spiritualendurance.
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BONUS EPISODE - When Integrity Hurts: Working Through Moral Injury
This is a bonus episode that helps process how to recover from a moral injury.
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Integrity: Truth and Honesty
What does it mean when you really have integrity? What happens to you when you lose it? This is part 1 of a conversation where we explore how our morals and values shape integrity.
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Tact: The Grace of Strength
When we think of strong leaders, we often imagine bold decisions, sharp words, and unshakable resolve. But real strength, the kind that earns trust and sustains teams, isn’t just about saying what needs to be said. It’s about saying it in a way that can be heard. That’s tact: strength under control, guided by wisdom.
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Decisiveness: Choosing to respond not react
Decisiveness is the ability to make sound and timely decisions. It reflects confidence, judgment, and the willingness to accept responsibility for the outcome. In leadership, hesitation can cause confusion and erode trust, while thoughtful decisiveness builds momentum and stability.
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Initiative: Balancing Action and Discernment
Initiative Strategy – Balancing Action and Discernment So how do we balance the strength of initiative with the wisdom of discernment? Here’s a simple strategy you can use:Pause – Take a breath before jumping in. Not every problem needs immediate action.Align – Ask, Does this fit the bigger mission and my role? If yes, proceed. If not, step back or seek clarity.Act Small, Act Fast – When you do act, start with a small step that creates momentum without overcommitting resources.Empower – Look for ways to invite others into the action, so it’s not just on your shoulders.Review – Afterward, ask, Did my initiative help or hinder? That reflection sharpens discernment for next time.”
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Dependability: Gateway to leadership
Dependability is the gateway to leadership. Join us as we discuss the importance of being dependable as a leader and how to foster dependability in others.
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Judgment:Layers and Complexitites
We all have to make a judgment call. How do you know if it was the right decision? You can check this episode out for a strategy to make sound judgments.
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Justice Served: Balancing Grace and Accountability
Justice Served explores what it really means to lead with fairness and consistency. Through stories from ministry to military life (with some laughs along the way), we unpack how leaders balance grace, accountability, and trust.
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Season 2 PREMIER
Two friends. Twenty years of ministry. From youth pastors to Navy chaplains, we’ve shared life, leadership, and faith through every season. This podcast is our space to talk about character that lasts, leadership that serves, and spirituality that sustains. Along the way, we’ll swap stories from the pulpit and the fleet, mix in some laughter, and wrestle with what it means to live with integrity and purpose. If you’re hungry for honest, hope-filled conversations, you’re in the right place.
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EP. 22 - When the Soul Grows Tired: A Final Reflection on Season One
In this final episode of Season One, we pause to explore the quiet, heavy weight of leadership fatigue. Through the stories of Moses, Elijah, and Jonah, we uncover the relational, spiritual, and emotional toll that leadership can take—and the sacred invitation to rest, reflect, and realign. If your soul is tired, this conversation is for you.
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EP. 21 - Is Your Leadership Running on Empty?
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, Ryan explores a topic leaders often overlook: leadership maintenance. Like any high-performance vehicle, leadership requires regular check-ins, adjustments, and care to stay effective, resilient, and aligned. Ryan walks you through creating a holistic leadership maintenance plan with four critical components: self-care, skill development, relationship building, and soul care.Using real-world examples and practical strategies, Ryan highlights how neglecting any one of these areas can lead to burnout, disconnection, and leadership dissonance. You'll also discover actionable steps to assess your current leadership health, set meaningful goals, and sustain your leadership capacity for the long haul.Grab your workbook at leadershipspotcheck.com and join Ryan in designing your personal leadership maintenance plan—because leadership isn’t a sprint; it’s a marathon that requires endurance, reflection, and alignment.
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EP. 20 - You Are the Strategy: Building a Leadership Life That Endures
In this powerful episode of Leadership Spot Check, we go beyond the surface of leadership strategies and dive deep into what it truly means to sustain leadership over time. Leadership isn’t just something you do—it’s something you become. This episode guides listeners through the concept of a leadership maintenance plan that nurtures the whole leader—mind, body, and soul.
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EP. 19 -Power Skills in Action: How Great Leaders Communicate, Connect, and Listen
Get ready for a powerful reflection on the skills that set great leaders apart! In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, Ryan takes you beyond theory and into real-world leadership with a deep dive into communication, emotional intelligence, and active listening. See how iconic figures like JFK, Oprah Winfrey, FDR, Jacinda Ardern, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Tim Cook used these skills to spark movements, lead nations, and fuel innovation. If you're ready to elevate your leadership, build real trust, and inspire meaningful change, this episode is your next step. Let's grow together—tune in and transform the way you lead!
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EP. 18 -Why Emotional Intelligence Is the #1 Predictor of Leadership Success
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, we explore emotional intelligence—what it is, why it matters, and how it can transform your leadership. Emotional intelligence (EQ) is more than a buzzword; it’s a core power skill that impacts everything from team dynamics to personal resilience. Ryan breaks down the four key components of EQ: self-awareness, self-management, social awareness, and relationship management, and shares practical strategies you can use right now to grow in each area. Whether you're new to EQ or think you’ve got it down, this episode will challenge and encourage you to go deeper. Tune in and discover how being smart with your emotions can help you lead with greater clarity, empathy, and effectiveness.
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EP. 17 -Top 4 Active Listening Skills Every Leader Needs
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, we explore the transformative power of active listening. Ryan walks us through four guiding principles—listening with intent, asking powerful questions, communicating directly, and creating awareness.
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EP. 16 -Power Skill Spotlight: Mastering Communication
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, Ryan Daffron dives into the essential power skill of communication. More than just words, communication is about how messages are sent, received, and understood—both verbally and nonverbally. Ryan unpacks communication styles, common barriers, and the subtle cues that make or break understanding. Discover how refining your communication can transform your leadership impact from weekly team huddles to high-stakes conversations.
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EP. 15 - Power Skills: The Difference Between a Boss and a Leader.
In this foundational episode of Leadership Spot Check, Ryan explores the crucial difference between hard skills and power skills—and why the latter are becoming the defining traits of effective leaders today. Ryan lays the groundwork for upcoming episodes on communication, active listening, and emotional intelligence episodes by showing how power skills are essential for building trust, leading through complexity, and aligning with your team. With personal stories and practical insights, this episode challenges leaders to grow beyond technical expertise and embrace the relational core of leadership.
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EP. 14 - Think Like a Disruptor: The Future-Smart Way to Lead Now
What does it mean to be future smart? In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, host Ryan Daffron explores how leaders can anticipate, prepare for, and shape the future before it arrives. Through real-world examples from Netflix and Patagonia, Ryan breaks down how insight, desire, and preparation helped these companies disrupt their industries and stay ahead of the curve. You’ll walk away with three powerful takeaways on how to lead proactively, scan for emerging trends, and act with intentional foresight. This is more than strategy—it’s a call to courageous leadership in a changing world.
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EP. 13 - Future Proofing Your Leadership
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, we explore an advanced leadership tool designed to help future-proof your leadership mantra: the Futures Wheel. This tool, developed by Jerome Glenn, helps leaders anticipate the ripple effects of their decisions by mapping out first, second, and third-order consequences. Ryan walks listeners through how to stress-test their leadership mantra, ensuring it holds up under real-world challenges and opportunities. Whether you’re refining your leadership approach or looking to build resilience in your team, this episode provides a practical framework for thinking ahead and leading with greater intentionality.
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EP. 12 -Future-Smart Leadership: The Bold Choices That Shape Tomorrow
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, Ryan explores what it means to be future smart, the mindset and skill set that allows leaders to anticipate change, embrace uncertainty, and make bold decisions that shape the future.
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EP. 11 - Leadership Mantras that Changed the World
Leadership mantras that have changed the world. In this episode, Ryan explores real life leaders and their mantras that have helped shape the world. Listen and subscribe to hear how you two can make a difference using your leadership mantra.
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EP. 10 - How to Create a Powerful Leadership Mantra: A Step-by-Step Guide
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, Ryan reveals the secret to resilient and purpose-driven leadership: a personal leadership mantra. Inspired by his ultra-endurance race experience, he shares how a simple yet powerful mantra helped him overcome mental and physical barriers—just as leaders must do in high-pressure situations. Learn how to craft your own leadership mantra with a step-by-step framework that defines your purpose, values, vision, strengths, and impact. Whether you’re leading a team or striving for personal growth, this episode will help you stay focused, motivated, and aligned with your leadership goals. Tune in and take your leadership to the next level!
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EP. 9 - 8 Leadership Styles: Which One Defines You?
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, we dive into the fascinating world of leadership styles. With over 200 definitions of leadership, how do we define what it truly means to be a leader? More importantly, how do we identify our own leadership style?Join us as we explore the origins of leadership, the influence we all have—whether as a CEO, a stay-at-home parent, or a frontline worker—and the eight key leadership styles that shape the way we lead. From Great Man Theory to Servant Leadership, we break down each style’s strengths, applications, and impact.
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EP. 8 - Global vision, Personal impact: Lessons from Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, & You
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, Ryan explores how the powerful worldviews of Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela didn’t just shape their leadership—they changed the world. Their stories show that leadership starts with how you see the world and the people in it. But this isn’t just about them—it’s about you. Discover how your own worldview can become the driving force behind meaningful impact in your life, your leadership, and the world around you. Change starts with vision, and that vision starts with you.
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EP. 7 - The Leadership X-Ray: A deep dive your worldview
Why do you lead the way you do? In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, we uncover the hidden influences shaping your leadership through the LeaderGram—a powerful tool that maps out your leadership DNA. By tracing your mentors, experiences, and defining moments, you’ll gain clarity, break unproductive habits, and lead with greater self-awareness. 📥 Download the free workbook at leadershipspotcheck.com and start mapping your leadership story today.
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EP. 6 The Lens of Leadership: Unveiling the World That Shapes You
What shapes the way you see the world? In this episode, I dive deep into the concept of worldview—the invisible lens through which we interpret life and make decisions. Discover the five key factors that shape your worldview, from family and culture to personal experiences and faith. I'll also explore the hidden influences—those subtle, often unnoticed forces—that shape our beliefs and leadership decisions. By uncovering your unique perspective, you’ll gain clarity, self-awareness, and the tools to lead with greater purpose and authenticity. Dyh8ih4VWXQvFGiDCHYp
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EP. 5 - Power, Pride, and Purpose: Saul & David the Cost of Leadership Dissonance.
In this episode of Leadership Spot Check, we dive into the story of King Saul to explore the concept of leadership dissonance. Using Saul’s relationship with David as a case study, we examine how insecurity and fear can derail a leader’s alignment with their team and mission. Listeners will gain practical insights into recognizing dissonance in their own leadership and learn how to foster harmony through self-awareness, integrity, and empowering others. This episode offers timeless lessons for leaders seeking to grow and align their influence with their values.
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EP. 4 - Why Leaders Struggle: The Root Causes of Leadership Dissonance
In this Leadership Spot Check episode, Ryan explores leadership dissonance and how uncovering its root causes can transform leadership effectiveness. Using a personal story, he parallels four key causes of dissonance: unexplored worldviews, improvised planning, underdeveloped power skills, and lack of a maintenance plan. Through practical insights and actionable strategies, listeners will learn how to address misalignment, foster healthier relationships, and lead with greater purpose and clarity.
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EP. 3 - Leadership Dissonance: The Hidden Challenge that Undermines Your Influence
Episode 3 of Leadership Spot Check explores the concept of leadership dissonance, where a leader’s actions, values, and communication fail to align with their team’s expectations or experiences. Using relatable examples, Ryan highlights how dissonance manifests through incongruent values, emotional inauthenticity, hypocrisy, and fractured communication, all of which erode trust and effectiveness. He encourages leaders to reflect on their own practices and introduces tools to help address these misalignments, setting the stage for a deeper dive into the root causes of dissonance in the next episode.
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EP. 2 - Why Do A Leadership Spot Check
A leadership spot check is a crucial tool for leaders to evaluate and reflect on their current leadership practices and behaviors. This episode will explore why it's important to pause and assess your leadership approach regularly. By conducting a spot check, leaders can identify areas for growth, reinforce strengths, and make real-time adjustments that align with their values and the needs of their team. This intentional reflection helps leaders stay connected to their mission, maintain self-awareness, and foster meaningful relationships with others, ultimately driving more authentic and effective leadership. Each episode comes with a workbook. Head over to my website and pick one up! https://leadershipspotcheck.com/shop/ols/products/part-1-workbook
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Ep. 1 - What to Expect this Season on Leadership Spot Check
This is a new leadership development podcast making its debut in Spring 2025. This episode gives listeners an idea of what to expect and how to prepare for leadership growth. Each episode comes with a workbook. Head over to my website and pick one up! https://leadershipspotcheck.com/shop/ols/products/part-1-workbook
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Two friends. Twenty years of ministry. From youth pastors to Navy chaplains, we’ve shared life, leadership, and faith through every season. This podcast is our space to talk about character that lasts, leadership that serves, and spirituality that sustains. Along the way, we’ll swap stories from the pulpit and the fleet, mix in some laughter, and wrestle with what it means to live with integrity and purpose. If you’re hungry for honest, hope-filled conversations, you’re in the right place.
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Dr. Ryan Daffron and Bill Wickham
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