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Let's Talk Modern Slavery
by Illustro Consultancy
Let’s Talk Modern Slavery Podcast cuts through the silence around human trafficking, exploitation, and forced labour. I’m Anthony Dunkerley, a former UK detective and international advisor on investigating human trafficking and people smuggling. In every episode I travel to different locations around the world to meet investigators, NGOs, lawyers, businesses, and policymakers who are driving change. From online grooming and organised crime to supply chains and corporate responsibility, this channel spotlights the people tackling exploitation on the frontline and shows what it really takes to challenge modern slavery. Subscribe and join me on this journey to hear directly from those leading the fight. Stay safe everyone.
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Let's Talk...Fighting Corporate Power
Welcome to this episode of Let’s Talk Modern Slavery, where I talk to Oliver Holland, a human rights lawyer specialising in business and human rights, with experience working on complex cases involving corporate accountability and global supply chains.In this powerful and wide ranging conversation, Oliver draws on his work taking on some of the largest corporations to explore what accountability really looks like in practice, and the challenges of pursuing justice in cases linked to exploitation within global supply chains.We discuss the realities behind high profile litigation, the role of the law in addressing forced labour and labour abuse, and the barriers that exist when trying to hold powerful actors to account. Oliver also reflects on the human impact at the centre of these cases, and the importance of evidence, persistence, and legal strategy in driving meaningful change.🎧 Now available to watch and listen on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, and all major podcast platforms.Please subscribe and join the conversation.DisclaimerThis podcast was recorded on 6 February 2025. The case of Dhan Kumar Limbu and others v Dyson Technology Limited, Dyson Limited and Dyson Manufacturing Sdn Bhd, issued with case reference QB 2022 001698, was settled on 26 February 2026.The parties to the proceedings have reached a settlement in recognition of the expenses of litigation and the benefits of settlement.The Defendants deny and have always denied all liability in respect of the Claimants, who were employed by a third party supplier at factories in Malaysia owned and operated by ATA Industrial M Sdn Bhd and its related entities.This settlement is not an admission of liability on the part of the Defendants.If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below.Your call could save someone’s life, including your own.Stay safe.Support agencies and reporting lines:📞 UK emergency 999 Non emergency 112🌍 Europe emergency 112🇺🇸 US emergency 911📖 Full list of global emergency telephone numbers available on WikipediaModern Slavery and Exploitation Helpline Unseen UK 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111Rape Crisis England and Wales 0808 500 2222UK National Domestic Helpline 0808 2000 247NSPCC 0808 800 5000Childline 0800 1111Women’s Aid Federation of England [email protected]
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Let's Talk...Space, AI, and Exploitation
Welcome to this episode of Let’s Talk Modern Slavery where I talk to Dr Julia Muraszkiewicz a leading expert in human rights and space law.In this forward looking and wide ranging conversation Julia explores how technology and new frontiers are reshaping the risk of human exploitation from artificial intelligence to the growing race for space.As industries rapidly develop from digital platforms to space exploration and the prospect of mining the Moon we examine how these shifts could create new vulnerabilities for trafficking and exploitation if left unregulated.Drawing on her work in space law Julia explains the legal and governance gaps that exist as commercial activity expands beyond Earth and what this could mean for accountability and human rights protections in the future.We discuss how AI is already being used to recruit control and exploit individuals at scale but also how it can be leveraged by investigators governments and organisations to identify victims map networks and disrupt trafficking operations.Julia challenges us to think about whether our current legal and regulatory frameworks are equipped to deal with these emerging threats and what needs to happen now to prevent history repeating itself in new domains.This is a conversation about power technology and accountability in a rapidly changing world.🎧 Now available to watch and listen on YouTube Spotify Apple and all major podcast platforms.Please subscribe and join the conversation. If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below.Your call could save someone’s life including your own.Stay safe.Support agencies and reporting lines📞 UK emergency 999 Non emergency 112🌍 Europe emergency 112🇺🇸 US emergency 911📖 Full list of global emergency telephone numbers available on WikipediaModern Slavery and Exploitation Helpline Unseen UK 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111Rape Crisis England and Wales 0808 500 2222UK National Domestic Helpline 0808 2000 247NSPCC 0808 800 5000Childline 0800 1111Women’s Aid Federation of England [email protected]
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Let's Talk...The Normalisation of Abuse
Welcome to the first episode of this series, where I talk to Red Godfrey Sagoo, CEO of Rape Crisis South London – an organisation that has been at the forefront of supporting survivors of rape, sexual abuse, and all forms of gender-based violence.In this deeply personal and powerful conversation, Red speaks from the heart about survival, resilience, and what true equality really means. She shares her journey as a leader and advocate, reflecting on the challenges faced by women and girls today, the impact of online culture, and her vision for a society that finally treats women and girls as equals.This episode sets the tone for the new series of Let’s Talk Modern Slavery — honest, unflinching conversations with those working on the frontline of exploitation and human rights.If you’d like to learn more about Red and Rape Crisis South London, visit www.rapecrisissouthlondon.org.uk🎥 The full video episode is also available on YouTube: 👉 https://www.youtube.com/@letstalkmodernslaveryIf you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below.Your call could save someone’s life… including your own.Stay safe.Support agencies and reporting lines:📞 UK emergency: 999 / Non-emergency: 112 🌍 Europe emergency: 112 🇺🇸 US emergency: 911 📖 A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Rape Crisis South London - 24/7 Rape & Sexual Abuse Support Line: 0808 500 2222UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247Childline: 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK: 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline: 08000 121 700Migrant Help: 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales: 0808 5002222#LetsTalkModernSlavery #RedGodfreySagoo #RapeCrisisSouthLondon #EndSexualViolence #GenderBasedViolence #HumanTrafficking #ModernSlavery #ForcedMarriage #ConsentMatters #EqualityForWomen #WomenAndGirls #ICE #RoeVWade #OnlineAbuse #EndMisogyny #VAWG
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Let's Talk...Human Trafficking & Terrorism
Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to James Wright.James is former UK military and a specialist in counter-terrorism with extensive experience in Somalia. James offers a unique perspective on the complex connections between terrorism and human trafficking in this volatile region.Throughout our conversation, James provides an in-depth look at his work combating terrorist networks in Somalia and how these networks often intersect with human trafficking rings.He explains how terrorist organizations exploit vulnerable populations, using human trafficking as both a funding mechanism and a recruitment strategy. We discuss the brutal realities faced by trafficking victims who are often coerced, kidnapped, or deceived into forced labor or combat roles.James also sheds light on the challenges of counter-terrorism efforts in a country like Somalia, where political instability, poverty, and lack of enforcement mechanisms make it difficult to dismantle the intertwined networks of terror and trafficking.If you’d like to learn more about James then visit him on LinkedIn at / james-apd-wright Video versions of this episode are available on our official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChfrYvGPJEZsPd1uh8bIhJgIf you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines in the episode description.Your call could save someone’s life…including your own.Stay safe.Support agencies and reporting lines: UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... ) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 Childline 0800 1111 Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #mentalhealth #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #conflict #terrorismSee less
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Let's Talk...Gender, Conflict & Community
Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Shorouq Shatnawi. Shorouq is a Gender and Development Expert based in Jordan. Shorouq takes us on a journey across Jordan, shedding light on the unique vulnerabilities faced by women in war, conflict, and the reintegration process. In this episode, we delve into the systemic challenges that women face in the region. Shorouq discusses the underrepresentation of women in leadership roles and how gender-based violence disproportionately affects women compared to men, mirroring a troubling global trend. We explore the realities of human trafficking, where women are trafficked through the region for domestic work. With limited labor laws or regulations to protect domestic workers, many find themselves in situations of exploitation. Join us as Shorouq shares her expertise and experiences, bringing a much-needed focus on the intersection of gender, conflict, and modern slavery in the middle east. If you’d like to learn more about Shorouq visit her on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/msshatnawi/ Video versions of this episode are available on our official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines in the episode description. Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. Support agencies and reporting lines: UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... ) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 Childline 0800 1111 Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222 #letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #mentalhealth #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #middleeast #genderdevelopment #conflict
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Let's Talk...'What do you know about modern slavery?'
Welcome to this week’s episode where we talk to Ian Waite. In this special episode of Let's Talk Modern Slavery, we put celebrity dancer Ian Waite to the test on a topic far removed from the ballroom: modern slavery. Known for his dynamic performances and vibrant personality on shows like Strictly Come Dancing and Dancing With the Stars, Ian steps into the challenging role of an advocate, tackling questions that reveal how much he really knows about this hidden global crisis. From the shocking realities of human trafficking to the subtle signs of exploitation, we delve into Ian's understanding of this crucial issue. The full video version of this episode is available on our official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below. Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. Support agencies and reporting lines UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... ) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 Childline 0800 1111 Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222 #letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #truecrime #doesnothappenhere #onceyouseeit #mentalhealth
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Let’s Talk…’Investigating Child Sacrifice’
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Peter Sewakiryanga. Peter is the Founder of Kyampisi, an organization in Uganda that deals with trafficking for child sacrifice. We originally visited Kyampisi in Series 1 with Sam Karugaba, but returned to speak to Peter to find out more. Originally an accountant, Peter was helping out at a soccer academy in Uganda and became aware of an eight-year-old child who had gone missing for several days. They searched and found the child’s decapitated body discarded in bushes with his genitals removed. Three children from the area of Kyampisi were later discovered in similar conditions. Helping the bereaved families of both cases, Peter learned about the extent to which child sacrifice was occurring. Peter tells us how children are lured by traffickers on their way back from school, kidnapped, or even their parents will kill their own children in the belief that this will bring them good fortune. Fear of witchcraft, corruption, and lack of capacity of police to investigate these cases are factors that have allowed this crime to endure, with similar belief systems known to exist across Africa. Peter talks about how Kyampisi works with the police to rescue children, bringing them into a safe house to provide them protection, shelter, medical treatment, and education. If you’d like to learn more about Peter and Kyampisi visit their website at www.kyampisi.org The full video version of this episode is available on our official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines in the episode description. Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. Support agencies and reporting lines UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of... ) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 Childline 0800 1111 Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222 #letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #mentalhealth #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #truecrime #childabuseprevention #murdernews
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Let's Talk...'Why do migrants take the journey?'
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Meron Abdi.Meron is a former public prosecutor in Ethiopia within the Customs Authority for the Ministry of Justice. Meron initially discusses how prosecutors in Ethiopia guide the police to conduct their investigations. In cases of human trafficking, prosecutors will regularly go with police to the locations where the trafficking took place to gather evidence. But in Ethiopia, as with many other countries, some communities don’t always accept police in, especially if the communities themselves financially benefit from the human trafficking and people smuggling taking place. Some communities in Ethiopia advocate for paying smugglers to send young men and women away to work, who in turn will remit the money back to the community. The community will regularly sell their cattle and other possessions to pay for the journey. Meron explains the three major smuggling routes out of Ethiopia and the dangers that the migrants face. Many experience being locked in containers, overcrowded boats, and die along the journey through illness, starvation, kidnappings and torture. The Ethiopian Government are trying to raise awareness to the communities on the risks of smuggling, but the flow of migration seems to be increasing. But was this always the case? The full video version of this episode is available on our official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below. Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. Support agencies and reporting linesUK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #mentalhealth #podcast #podcasting #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #truecrime #migration #immigration #refugees #migrants #immigrants #humanrights #peoplesmuggling
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Let's Talk...'Femicide and Gender-Based Violence'
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to this week’s episode where we talk to Njeri Wa Migwi.Njeri is the Founder of Usikimye, an organization which works towards ending sexual and gender-based violence (GBV) in Kenya. Njeri was also the co-organizer of The Femicide March in Kenya in early 2024, following the killing of young women. The woman was dismembered and her remains were stuffed into a plastic bag. A comment on social media by a male caused outrage as it suggested that women should take more care to protect themselves. Over 10,000 people marched with Njeri in the streets of Nairobi calling for change. Njeri explains what GBV is and how it encompasses Intimate Partner Violence (IPV), human trafficking, child abuse, rape, and forms of exploitation where a person’s gender is a factor. This is something that Njeri experienced herself. Her journey from being a victim of Intimate Partner Violence to then seeking help led to the discovery of so many other women who had undergone GBV. They all had similar stories. Njeri tells us why victims keep going back to their exploiters and draws parallels between the psychology of victimhood in cases of IPV and human trafficking. We learn how abuse begins with small, subtle incidences of name calling, belittling, gaslighting…and how our brains accept this as the reality. When the exploitation finally takes place, victims even feel they deserve their fate. If you’d like to learn more Njeri and Usikimye visit their website at www.usikimye.orgThe full video version of this episode is available on our official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltdIf you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below. Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. Support agencies and reporting lines UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 500222#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #exploitation #podcast #podcasting #genderbasedviolence #violence #gbv #surviveandthrive #femicide #endfemicideke #survivor #coercivecontrol #grooming #gaslighting #alphavictim #idealvictim #toxicmasculinity #trauma #survivor #crime #truecrimepodcast #truecrimecommunity #truecrime #doesnothappenhere #onceyouseeit #mentalhealth
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Let's Talk...'’Survivor to Thriver to Warrior’
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to this week’s episode where we talk to Christina Meadows.Christina is the Director of Operations and Rescue at the Nashville Anti Human Trafficking Coalition in the US. Losing her family unit through her parent’s divorce at the age of 15…an older male and female befriended Christina and began building a family unit of their own.They slowly isolate Christina and gain her trust…and when a bond had formed…they introduced her to her trafficker.Eventually marrying her trafficker, Christina was trafficked across the country and sexually exploited for 23 years.In a cycle of exploitation, drug abuse, anger and fear, Christina ends up in prison for 3 and a half years after accepting charges on behalf of her trafficker. After her release, the cycle begins again.At the age of 40, Christina finds herself in a sober living community with a new sponsor…enter the Nashville Anti Human Trafficking Coalition.If you’d like to learn more about Christina and the Nashville Anti Trafficking Coalition visit their website at www.nahtcoalition.org For the full video interview with Christina, visit and subscribe to the official Illustro Consultancy YouTube Channel at: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltdIf you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below.Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. Support agencies and reporting lines UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222#letstalkmodernslavery #traumabonding #trauma #traumainformedcare #lovebombing #grooming #drugaddictionawareness #felon #dopesick #crime #truecrimecommunity #truecrimepodcast #family #love #mentalhealth #breakingthecycle #bible #faithbaisedrecovery #nahtcoalition #inspirehope #education #nashville
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Let's Talk...'A Truly Global Movement'
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe.Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Sophie Otiende. Sophie has been working in the anti-human trafficking space for over 10 years. Growing up in the informal settlements of Nairobi, Kenya…Sophie herself was trafficked. Sophie has gone on to set up numerous, survivor-led, anti-human trafficking organizations and brought the concept of trauma-informed support to the forefront of the anti-trafficking response. Now the CEO of the Global Fund to End Modern Slavery…Sophie and the Fund are creating an environment where survivor-leaders and grassroots organizations can build something truly remarkable... If you’d like to learn more about Sophie and the Global Fund to End Modern Slavery visit their website at www.gfems.org You can also visit Sophie's organisation, Azadi, at www.azadikenya.orgFor the full video interview with Sophie, visit and subscribe to the official Illustro Consultancy YouTube Channel at: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltdIf you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below. Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. Support agencies and reporting linesUK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222#letstalkmodernslavery #modernslavery #slavery #modernslaveryawareness #humantrafficking #podcast #podcasting #trauma #survivor #crime #truecrime #doesnothappenhere #onceyouseeit #childtrafficking #police #investigations #mentalhealth #community #movementbuilding #livedexperience #inclusion #awareness #humanrights #freedom
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Let's Talk..."From the US to Africa and back"
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to the first episode of Series 2…where I talk to Tyler Dunman. Tyler is the Vice President of Programs for the Human Trafficking Institute, better known as HTI. Back in 2015, Tyler was a Prosecutor in Texas within the Special Crimes Division, taking the lead on dealing with cases of child trafficking and Internet Crimes Against Children, or ICAC. A chance meeting in the US connected Tyler to the Human Trafficking Institute, who were working alongside the Government in Uganda to develop their capacity to investigate and prosecute human traffickers. Taking a Special Council Position, and a huge leap of faith, Tyler and his wife sold their home and moved their young family halfway across the world to Kampala. After hours of travelling and arriving in their new house, they put the kids to bed…and break down in tears. The reality of what they have done hits them. …and despite Tyler’s vast experience of working on cases in the US, he now finds himself dealing with trafficking for forced marriage, organ harvesting, and child sacrifice. Good decision or bad? Let’s find out... If you’d like to learn more about Tyler and the Human Trafficking Institute visit their website at www.traffickinginstitute.org Watch the full video interviews of each episode on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd If you or someone you suspect is a victim of modern slavery or other forms of exploitation or abuse, please see the list of support agencies and reporting lines below. Your call could save someone’s life…including your own. Stay safe. Support agencies and reporting lines UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...)UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 Childline 0800 1111 Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111 UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700 Migrant Help 0808 8010 503 Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222 National Center for Missing and Exploited Children CyberTipline https://report.cybertip.org/
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#06 - Sam Karugaba
Warning: This episode contains references to child sacrifice and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. For the last episode in this series, I talk to Sam Karugaba. Sam is a Ugandan working in the rural areas of Uganda. What does Sam do? For the last 10 years Sam has been rescuing children from being sacrificed. In Uganda, and some other countries, traditional beliefs in the power of witchcraft still endure. It is believed that sacrificing young children will bring good fortune and success in life and business. Children are regularly kidnapped, killed, and their blood, limbs and other organs are used to invoke the power of the spirit world. We first join Sam on his phone in the back of a moving van. He’s received information that children are going to be sacrificed. He’s two hours away in a race against time. Sam talks to us for a few minutes then connection then drops. We manage to get hold of Sam a couple of days later to see what happened to the children. Kyampisi website https://kyampisi.org/ Emergency and support lines UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222
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#05 - Rachel Bikhole
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Rachel Bikhole. Rachel is the co-founder of Survivors Destiny, the only safe house provider specifically for male victims of human trafficking in Uganda. A Prosecutor for over 18 years, Rachel was previously the Head of the Anti-Trafficking division of the Office of Director of Public Prosecutions in Uganda, as well as the role of Deputy Head of International Crimes. Rachel explains how traffickers attempt to locate victims before a criminal trial proceeds in order to intimidate them into withdrawing their support for the investigation.To protect the victims…safe houses are used…secure accommodation in secret locations. With no other safe houses for men or young boys in Uganda, Rachel tells us how male victims sometimes have to go back to their exploiter as the authorities have nowhere to put them.I meet Rachel in one of the victim safe houses in Uganda. The location is secret, but Rachel gives us a tour, describing the layout and explaining why such safe houses are vital in the fight against human trafficking. Survivor’s Destiny website https://survivorsdestiny.com Emergency and support linesUK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222
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#00 Prelude - An interview with Tony Dunkerley
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to our podcast launch event!Join our audience of international investigators and the anti-slavery community as we hear from the host of our new podcast, Tony Dunkerley. Tony talks about his experiences investigating human trafficking and people smuggling around the world and the amazing superhumans he has met along the way. Tony and special guest Mina Chiang (Episode #03) discuss the heroes on the front lines, challenging stereotypes, and the complexities of modern slavery.Tony explains how there are an estimated 50 million people currently held in modern slavery across the globe.Hidden in plain sight, it has a footprint in the food we eat, the clothes we wear, the buildings we work, and the stadiums we play in. With estimated annual global profits of $236 billion (£185 billion), human trafficking is one of the world’s largest and most profitable crimes. Economic disparity, conflict, political instability, gender inequality, and religious persecution are all factors increasing the vulnerability of people to exploitation by others. The climate emergency is now forcing people into migration and the hands of human smugglers, who in turn force the migrants into forced labour - some within the very industries that are degrading the environment. Despite running through every society, many have not heard about modern slavery or human trafficking, or if they have, do not understand the realities of what it is or the extent to which it exists today, right outside their doors. As Tony emphasises, many people think ‘It doesn’t happen here.’ The truth is…it happens everywhere. Watch the full launch event on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/@illustroconsultancyltd Emergency and support linesUK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222
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#04 - Jennifer Wascak J.D.
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Jennifer Wascak.Jennifer is an American attorney and CEO of Justice in Fashion, an organisation trying to identify and reduce inequalities in the garment supply chain - an industry, like many others, not immune to modern slavery. We initially focus in on the labour exploitation taking place in Leicester - yes Leicester in the UK. In 2020 an Independent Review was commissioned following a publication by the Sunday Times newspaper, in which it alleged unacceptable working conditions and underpayment of workers in factories making clothes for a large international brand. Alison Levitt QC, author of the report, concluded that although the brand was not directly responsible for the poor treatment of the workers, it knew the extent of the problem and failed to take adequate action. We see how Jennifer’ organisation has opened the first community drop-in center in Leicester, offering a safe and anonymous environment for workers to come and share their experiences. Emergency and support lines UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222
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#03 - Mina Chiang
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to this week’s episode where I talk to Mina Chiang. Mina is the Founder of Humanity Research Consultancy, which strives to improve working conditions on fishing vessels in Southeast Asia. Mina describes how Indonesian and Filipino migrant workers on Taiwanese fishing vessels are forced to work 20 hours a day, sometimes with no wage, and trapped for up to 3 years before being allowed off the boat to go home. Mina’s organization was also one of the first to discover the Scamming compounds in Southeast Asia. To put the scale of this problem into proportion, in June 2023, Interpol issued their first Orange Notice, for an imminent global threat on human trafficking into scamming compounds. Also known as fraud factories, Chinese, Taiwanese and other nationals are trafficked to Cambodia and locked into offices within buildings, holding up to 3000 slaves, forced to conduct online scamming across the world. We hear how systemic corruption allows this to take place, with the highest levels of government officials having financial interest in the compounds, and how the Laos Golden Triangle Special Economic Zone allows for the Chinese Chairman Zhao Wei, and I quote from the 2018 US Treasury report, “to exploit the region by engaging in drug trafficking, human trafficking, money laundering, bribery and wildlife trafficking.” Emergency and support lines UK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222
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#02 - Alan Edwards
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe. Welcome to this week's episode where I talk to Alan Edwards.Alan is former UK military and UK police. Alan was running anti-people smuggling operations back in the 90s with the National Crime Squad, going on to set up one of the first International Units of its kind based in Istanbul to try and stop the people smuggling networks across Europe. Alan talks in detail about the international operations he’s been involved in, giving insight into the harrowing experiences of those smuggled along the routes.From kidnappings, rape and torture, to trafficking into terrorist training camps….and how Alan and his team helped to bring down Kidane Habtemariam, the Eritrean national heading one of the largest and most violent people smuggling networks in Africa. Emergency and support linesUK emergency 999 /non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list ofglobal emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipedia at:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222
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#01 - Kelvin Lay MBE
Warning: This episode contains references to human exploitation and is only intended to be heard by adults aged 18 and over. If you are likely to find this distressing, emotionally triggering or challenging, please consider carefully how you might want to engage with this episode. We’ve provided links for support agencies in the description below. Stay safe.Kelvin was a detective in the UK and worked undercover during the football hooliganism days developing human intelligence sources – a difficult thing to do for Kelvin being a die-hard rugby fan. Kelvin actually set up the first police under cover online investigation team within the UK Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, better known as CEOP, and now part of the National Crime Agency or NCA…the UK equivalent of the FBI. We discuss how the internet has opened up new opportunities for peadophiles to identify and groom children, to share images and videos of child abuse, and establish dedicated forums for sharing ideas on how to stay hidden from the law enforcement agencies trying to stop them. Kelvin talks candidly about the cases he dealt with, the current epidemic of live streaming of child sexual exploitation, and the emerging issue of artificial intelligence being used to create images of child abuse. Emergency and support linesUK emergency 999 / non-emergency 112, Europe emergency 112, US emergency 911 (A full list of global emergency telephone numbers can be accessed on Wikipediaat:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers) Childline 0800 1111Crimestoppers UK 0800 555111UK Modern Slavery & Exploitation Helpline 08000 121 700Migrant Help 0808 8010 503Rape Crisis England & Wales 0808 5002222
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Let’s Talk Modern Slavery Podcast cuts through the silence around human trafficking, exploitation, and forced labour. I’m Anthony Dunkerley, a former UK detective and international advisor on investigating human trafficking and people smuggling. In every episode I travel to different locations around the world to meet investigators, NGOs, lawyers, businesses, and policymakers who are driving change. From online grooming and organised crime to supply chains and corporate responsibility, this channel spotlights the people tackling exploitation on the frontline and shows what it really takes to challenge modern slavery. Subscribe and join me on this journey to hear directly from those leading the fight. Stay safe everyone.
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