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The guest today is Jason Lee Byas. Byas is currently a Junior Faculty Fellow at the Georgetown Institute for the Study of Markets & Ethics, and starting this fall will be Assistant Professor of Philosophy & Political Economy at Tulane University, with a coappointment at the Murphy Institute. His research focuses on criminal punishment, reparations, and other forms of responding to wrongdoing, along with (as is our focus here) ways of thinking about justice beyond the state. Our conversation today focuses on some recent work Jason has done on the role of expressive values in criticisms of libertarianism, as well as an anarchistic conception of justice that avoids many of the problems conceptions of the connection between justice and agency common in analytic political philosophy have.

Joining me today is Aaron Ross Powell. Aaron is currently the director of Liberal Projects at the Institute for Humane Studies where he is the chief editor of Liberalism.org and host of the Liberalism.org podcast as well as Reimagining Liberty. I wanted to have Aaron on today to discuss two seemingly disparate intellectual interests of his: Buddhism and libertarianism. To many, these may seem like disparate and unrelated interests, or perhaps two intellectual traditions that are in deep tension with each other metaphysically. After all, libertarianism is often understood as relying on a strong conception of self-ownership, and Buddhism famously questions the very idea of selfhood to begin with. I wanted to sit down with Aaron to work through how he thinks of the relationship between Buddhist ethics and metaphysics, and the political project of human liberation, as well as the relationship between religious tolerance and liberal politics more generally.

Welcome to Mutual Exchange Radio, a project of the Center for a Stateless Society. I am your host, Zachary Woodman. Today's guest—for the third time on MER—is Kevin Carson. Kevin probably needs no introduction, but he is a senior fellow of the Center for a Stateless Society (c4ss.org) and holds the Center's Karl Hess Chair in Social Theory. He is an anarchist without adjectives, heavily influenced by autonomism and the new municipalist movements. His written work includes Studies in Mutualist Political Economy, Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective, The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto, and The Desktop Regulatory State all of which are freely available online. Carson has also written for such print publications as The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty and a variety of internet-based journals and blogs, including Just Things and The Art of the Possible, as well as his own blogs, Mutualist Blog and Tea, Earl Grey, Hot. Today, I Kevin is on to discuss his 2021 study on the Methodenstreit between economists from the Austrian school, such as Carl Menger, and economists from the German Historical School, such as Gustav Schmoller. We discuss Carson's views on the methodology of the social sciences in general and political economy in particular as well as his views on interest, landlordism, and the American Institutionalist school.

Today my guest is Matthew McManus. Matt McManus is an incoming assistant professor of political theory at Spellman College. He is the author of The Political Right and Equality as well as The Political Theory of Liberal Socialism, which we are discussing today. McManus sees himself as engaging in a project of retrieval of a forgotten tradition of thought within the liberal tradition which advocates for socialist ends. This is a project with which I have some affinity as a liberal anarchist, but I have some big disagreements with how he sees the difference between liberal socialists and other more pro-market liberals as well as the institutional form he thinks liberal socialism should take: a form of statist social democracy. You will see us get into those disagreements at the end of the discussion. Show Notes Matthew McMannus, The Political Theory of Liberal Socialism Jason Lee Byas, Radical Liberalism: The Soul of Libertarianism Judith Shklar, The Liberalism of Fear Charles Taylor, Modern Social Imaginaries David Dyzenhaus, Hobbes and the Law Thomas Paine, Rights of Man Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice Isaac Kramnick, The Rage of Edmund Burke Edmund Burke, A Vindication of Natural Society Helen McCabe, John Stuart Mill, Socialist Chris Matthew Sciabarra, Hayek, Marx, and Utopia Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Program David Prychitko, Marxism and Workers' Self-Management: The Essential Tension Karl Marx, The Civil War in France Gary Chartier, Radicalizing Rawls Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right FA Hayek, Individualism True and False Gus Dizerga, Outgrowing Methodological Individualism Tony Smith, Beyond Liberal Egalitarianism Kevin Carson, Studies in Mutualist Political Economy David Beito, From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State Fabio Perocco, Racism In and For the Welfare State Quinn Slobodian, Hayek's Bastards Kjell Östberg, The Rise and Fall of Swedish Social Democracy Pelle Dragsted, Nordic Socialism John Rawls, Lectures on the History of Political Philosophy Karl Marx, Grundrisse: Foundations of the Critique of Political Economy Wendy Brown, Walled States: Waning Sovereignty

Zachary Woodman, Alex McHugh, and Nathan Goodman join Cory Massimino for a panel on Trump's authoritarian actions on immigration, the history of immigration control and regulation, and what you can do to resist the administration's authoritarian xenophobia.   Show notes and Sources: Zachary Woodman's Segment on the Trump Administration's Actions on Immigration So Far Trump's Executive Order on the Alien Enemies Act Venezuelan Couple in Virginia Case Thrown out of Civil Court ICE disappears 48 Undocumented Migrants DC Circuit Court Judge: Nazis got more Due Process under Alien Enemies Act Legal History of Migrant's Constitutional Rights Migrants Deported for Non-Gang-Related Tattoos 90% of Migrants Deported to El Salvador Have No Criminal Record Trump's Appeal up to the Supreme Court, Supreme Court's Rulings on the matter So Far Trump Defying Court Orders Mike Johnson Floats Dissolving District Courts that Rule Against Trump on Administration House passes bill restricting district court judges from issuing nationwide injunctions MAGA Supporters Send Death Threats to Judges Trump Administration's Letter Intimidating Northwestern Law Clinic The Trump Administration's Populist Arguments in Courts Thom Homan: "What was Laken Riley's Due Process?" Trump Admin Executive Order Revoking Citizenship for Thousands of Migrants Trump Administration Pausing Green Card Applications Filipino Woman from Washington Disappeared by Border Patrol Canadian Woman Held in Custody by CBP Canada, Germany, UK Issuing Travel Warnings against United States Legal Migrant from Tampa Being Extradited to El Salvador  Columbia Student Hunted by ICE for Her Palestinian Disagreement Tufts Student Abducted by Unmarked Immigration Officials Trump Admin Revokes Legal Status for Hundreds of Student Visa Holders Three Deaths in ICE Custody at Krome Detention Center in Miami Texas Migrants Being Deported to Guantanamo Bay Luis Alberto Castillo Rivera's Legal Deposition Kristi Noem's Propaganda Video in El Salvador, which Violates National Law Opening of Migrant Detention Center in Michigan CBP's 100-Mile Border Zone ICE Targeting US Citizens Mahmoud Khalil's Public Statement of His Detention Louisiana Judge Rules Against Mouhamad Khalil, Citing Foreign Policy Authority Trump's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order and Why it's Unconstitutional Nathan's Segment on the History of US Border Policy: Coyne and Hall: Tyranny Comes Home Border Militarization and Domestic Institutions Federal Officers Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab People In Portland, DHS Confirms Drones on the Border: Efficacy and Privacy Implications  Reece Jones, Nobody is Protected: How the Border Patrol Became the Most Dangerous Police Force in the United States US Citizens Deported on Accident Pre-Trump Kenyon Zimmer: Faces of the First Red Scare: Documenting Red Scare Deportees Alex McHugh's Segment on Resisting ICE: Tool to Find ICE Contractors Meet the ICE Contractors We Have Rights: Document and Witness ICE/CBP Abuse of Power Borderlands Relief Collective Border Kindness Al Otro Lado Woomera Quaker Meeting Raided in UK Nathan Goodman, et al: Collective Action in the Sanctuary Movement: Polycentric Protection of Central American Asylum Seekers Immigrant Legal Justice Center-Know Your Rights National Immigrant Justice Center-Know Your Rights ACLU-Know Your Rights, Immigrant Rights  

This episode is hosted by C4SS's Elinor Ostrom Chair in the Study of Self Governance, Nathan Goodman. Nathan is joined by Christopher Coyne and Abigail Hall for a deep dive into the authors' new book, How to Run Wars, A Confidential Playbook for the National Security Elite, available from June 18th on Amazon, or through the Independent Institute. E-book versions are available for Kindle, Apple iBooks, and Barnes and Noble Nook and links are available in the show notes below.  Buy on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1598133926/theindepeende-20 Apple iBooks: https://books.apple.com/us/book/how-to-run-wars/id6502372918 Barnes & Noble: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/how-to-run-wars-christopher-j-coyne/1145071631?ean=9781598133943  Christopher Coyne is a Professor of Economics at George Mason University, the Associate Director of the F. A. Hayek Program for Advanced Study in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at the Mercatus Center, and the Director of the Initiative for the Study of a Stable Peace (ISSP) through the Hayek Program. He is the Co-Editor of The Review of Austrian Economics and of The Independent Review. Abigail R. Hall is an Associate Professor in Economics at the University of Tampa in Tampa, Florida. She is an affiliated scholar with the Mercatus Center at George Mason University and a Senior Fellow with the Independent Institute in Oakland, California. She is a Non-Resident Fellow with Defense Priorities and a Public Choice and Public Policy Fellow with the American Institute for Economic Research. She earned her PhD in Economics from George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia.  

This episode of MER features Alex McHugh interviewing John Cavanaugh of the digital-privacy organization, The Plunk Foundation. The Plunk Foundation promotes digital data privacy through education, advocacy, and policy recommendations, and by developing privacy tools and tech. Our conversation ranges from the deeper discussion on consent and privacy as related to self-ownership, to the more practical question of how to ethically navigate today's digital landscape and the potential for privacy-focused tech.  John Cavanaugh on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacy-evangelist/  Email: [email protected] Support C4SS podcasts on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c4ssdotorg

This episode brings Austrian economics into the gender identity discussion. We get into a lot of messy and fascinating questions about gender, identity, and social structures.  Read the paper here: https://cosmosandtaxis.files.wordpress.com/2023/10/malamet_novak_ct_vol11_iss11_12_epub.pdf Mikayla Novak is senior fellow with the F. A. Hayek Program for Advanced Study in Philosophy, Politics and Economics at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. She is the author of Inequality: An Entangled Political Economy Perspective (2018) and Freedom in Contention: Social Movements and Liberal Political Economy (2021). Her research work has been published in a range of academic journals, including Research Policy, Constitutional Political Economy, Review of Austrian Economics, Journal of Institutional Economics, and Journal of Public Finance and Public Choice. Mikayla's research interests include Austrian and evolutionary economics, public choice, entangled political economy, economic sociology, public finance, and regulatory economics. And listeners will recognize Akiva Malamet, a returning guest to the show. Akiva previously appeared on our June 2020 episode of Mutual Exchange Radio to discuss his work on Nationalism and Identity Formation. He is a contributing editor at Unpopulist and an MA candidate at Queens University, and a long-time friend of C4SS. 

Cory Massimino chats with Jason Lee Byas about public choice theory, reparations (for slavery and other injustices), and war. Jason Lee Byas is a fellow at the Center for a Stateless Society and a PhD student in Philosophy at the University of Michigan. His academic work focuses on punishment (and its alternatives), rights theory, and justice beyond the state.

Alex McHugh interviews sci-fi author Dennis Danvers on anarchist ideas in fiction, his books The Watch and Leaving the Dead, and the life of a writer. http://dennisdanvers.com/ Mr. Danvers has written a variety of well-received sci-fi novels, including Circuit of Heaven, Time and Time Again, and End of Days, as well as the Locus and Bram Stoker nominee Wilderness. His short fiction has appeared in Strange Horizons, Intergalactic Medicine Show, Space and Time, Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet, F & SF, Realms of Fantasy, Electric Velocipede, Lightspeed, Tor.com, See the Elephant, Apex Magazine; and in anthologies Tails of Wonder, Richmond Noir, The Best of Electric Velocipede, Remapping Richmond's Hallowed Ground, and Nightmare Carnival. He taught fiction writing and science fiction and fantasy literature at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia for over thirty years.

A wide-ranging interview with acclaimed anarchist activist and musician, scott crow (https://www.scottcrow.org/). Alex McHugh hosts, with the first half focusing on scott's music and media project, eMERGENCY heARTS, and the latter on his previous work on theories of liberatory community armed self-defense.  * Content note: scott and I talk about the murder of Garrett Foster in the second half of this episode. It comes up in a discussion about the strategic value (or lack thereof) of open carry at protests. 

In this episode of Mutual Exchange Radio, Tux discusses their unique take on cryptocurrency, the connection between markets and anarchism, and being anti-capitalist in a capitalist world. Tux Pacific (they/she) is a cryptographer, anarchist, and the founder of Entropy, a decentralized custodian for crypto. Their crypto-inclusive perspective has been shaped by their non-traditional background as a trans person and a market post-left-ish anarchist. You can reach Tux on Twitter @__tux or via email [email protected] 

In our final episode for the season, Ash P. Morgans talks to host Alex McHugh about egoism, anarchism, and religion. This conversation was an excellent cap-off to our Mutual Exchange symposium on egoism and anarchism and continues some of the discussions that came up throughout the symposium. Particularly, we explore the intersections of ethics, morality, anarchism, and religion from the egoist or Stirnerite perspective. 

Elizabeth Nolan Brown is a senior editor at Reason magazine, a co-founder of Feminists for Liberty, and a journalism lecturer at the University of Cincinnati. In this episode of Mutual Exchange Radio, Elizabeth discusses abortion, sex work, moral panics, conspiracies, feminism, libertarianism, and more.

This month on Mutual Exchange Radio, we are joined by Eric Fleischmann, leading an informative and inspiring conversation about their comprehensive Laurance Labadie archival project, Labadie's special relevance for the market anarchist tradition, their study on Historical Materialism and more. Eric Fleischmann (he/they) is an anarchist indebted to communistic and continental thought but engaged primarily in the traditions of mutualism, American individualist anarchism, and modern left-libertarianism while applying a background in anthropology and philosophy to help build the solidarity economy in unceded Wabanaki territory on Turtle Island. He has been involved in various capacities with numerous leftist, left-leaning, and labor-oriented organizations—generally ones that promote forms of politico-economic decentralization and democratization and/or degrees of left unity.

This month, we are joined by Logan Marie Glitterbomb, leading an awesome conversation about the fundamentals of Agorism, as well as its lesser known forms and environmentalist potential. We're also talking about Mardi Gras, Logan's legal incident, gun control and more. A Catholic anarchist-without-adjectives, Logan Marie discovered anarchism through the punk scene in high school and went on to join the Industrial Workers of the World in college where she studied theatre arts. She is a former editor, writer, and co-publisher of the queer anarchist news 'zine Pink&Black, co-founder of the Libertarian Anti-Fascist Committee and the Libertarian Socialist Caucus of the Libertarian Party, member of the Libertarian Socialist Caucus of the DSA, co-founder of the anarchist Mardi Gras krewe Krewe de Main and their festival Coup de Gras, and current organizer with the IWW's Freelance Journalists Union. She spends her free time performing comedy, cosplaying, and writing comics. Here you can find her work and support her legal fund: https://loganglitterbomb.com/ https://agorafest.wordpress.com/ https://gogetfunding.com/legal-defense-for-logan-glitterbomb/  

Cathy Reisenwitz joins Mutual Exchange Radio to discuss feminism, bodily autonomy, BDSM, power, and all things Sex and the State.  Cathy is a writer with bylines in The Week, Newsweek, Forbes, the Daily Beast, VICE Motherboard, Reason magazine, Talking Points Memo, Ravishly, Kink and Code and other publications. She is the Head of Content at a tech startup and VP of Comms for San Francisco Sex-Positive Democratic Club and a regular contributor to Exponents Magazine. Check out her newsletter, Sex and the State: https://cathyreisenwitz.substack.com/

Abigail joins Mutual Exchange Radio to discuss the connections between complexity economics, systems theory, emergent order, science fiction, and more. Dr. Abigail Devereaux is a Research Fellow at the Institute for the Study of Economic Growth and Assistant Professor of Economics at Wichita State University. She's also affiliated with the Independent Institute, the American Institute of Economic Research, and NYU's Classical Liberal Institute. Abigail holds degrees in math in physics, both from Boston University, and had a career in high-tech focusing on complex systems science before getting her economics PhD from George Mason University. She fielded in complexity economics and Austrian economics. Her work these days is interdisciplinary and focused on two research programs: the mathematical and social implications of accelerating technological innovation, and the emergence of spontaneous orders.

Host Alex McHugh interviews one of the founders of the radical humanitarian project Operation Solidarity, which is helping to organize anarchist resistance to the invasion as well as humanitarian support networks. If you're able to support this project with funding or material aid, please click through the linktree below. Support Operation Solidarity: https://linktr.ee/operation.solidarity "War and Anarchists: Anti-Authoritarian Perspectives in Ukraine," CrimethInc: https://crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zemlya.volya  Squat Autonomia: https://en.squat.net/2014/07/13/kharkiv-ukraine-opening-of-a-political-squat/ 

MER host Alex McHugh interviews C4SS Russian translator Citizen Ilya on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, anarchist resistance to war, and what things look like on the ground in Russia.  We intend this to be a two-part series. An interview with some of the folks behind the anarchist humanitarian project for Ukraine, Operation Solidarity, is forthcoming in the next week or so.  Links: The Black Headquarters / Resistance Committee (https://linktr.ee/Theblackheadquarter) Operation Solidarity / Project Solidarity (https://linktr.ee/operation.solidarity) "Donbas Recognition? No Thanks" (https://c4ss.org/content/56313)

In this month's episode, Alex McHugh interviews Sarah Skwire, Senior Fellow and Director of Communications at Liberty Fund about the importance of studying literature and language, and why social scientists should pay attention to works of fiction and literary history.  Sarah's work can be found most often in the following places: The "Reading Room" on OLL: oll.libertyfund.org/reading_room Adam Smith Works:  www.adamsmithworks.org EconLog: www.econlib.org/econlog 

This year, C4SS Fellow Cory Massimino joins Alex McHugh as a host for Mutual Exchange Radio. For this first episode of the season, we sat down together to talk about intellectual influences, the upcoming podcast season, and C4SS's forthcoming Mutual Exchange Symposium on Egoism and Anarchism.  See the Mutual Exchange Symposium starting 2/2/2022 at: https://c4ss.org/content/category/mutual-exchange

In our final episode for the year, Alex McHugh interviews a return guest to the show Nathan Goodman. We focus on Nathan's recent paper, published with Chris Coyne, "U.S. Border Militarization and Foreign Policy: A Symbiotic Relationship" - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3961152 Nathan is a Postdoctoral Fellow in the Department of Economics at New York University, affiliated with the Program on the Foundations of the Market Economy. He earned his Ph.D. in economics at George Mason University, where he was a Ph.D. fellow with the Mercatus Center and a Graduate Fellow with the F.A. Hayek Program for Advanced Study in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics. Nathan's research broadly focuses on political economy, applied microeconomics, market process economics, New Institutional Economics, and defense economics. He analyzes how alternative institutional arrangements shape the provision of security. 

For the 10-year anniversary of what many would consider our foundational book, C4SS Mutual Exchange Coordinator Cory Massimino interviewed Markets Not Capitalism editors Charles Johnson and Gary Chartier. They discuss the legacy and impact of MNC ten years on! If you've not read it, you can find the free .pdf and audiobook at: c4ss.org/content/12802  

In this episode of MER, Alex McHugh interview Gus diZerega on his work around democracy as a spontaneous order. Gus is a retired professor with a Ph.D in Political Science from the University of California, Berkeley. He is now an independent scholar and has been involved in an ongoing back and forth on libertarianism with our own Roderick Long. Read more about Gus diZerega at www.dizerega.com. Reading list: "Democracies are Spontaneous Orders, not States, and Why It is Important," Cosmos + Taxis, [cosmosandtaxis.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/ct_vol7_iss3_4_dizerega.pdf] "Outgrowing Methodological Individualism: Emergence, spontaneous orders, and civil society," Cosmos + Taxis, [cosmosandtaxis.files.wordpress.com/2021/07/dizerega_ct_vol9_iss_7_8.pdf] "Spontaneous Order and Liberalism's Complex Relation to Democracy," The Independent Review, [www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?id=849] Ours: The Case For Universal Property, Peter Barnes [peter-barnes.org/book/ours-the-case-for-universal-property/] "Turning the Tables: The Pathologies and Unrealized Promise of Libertarianism," Molinari Review, [praxeology.net/MR1-1-S16-DIZEREGA.pdf]

We're back! A little late, but hopefully worth it, here's our "August" episode of Mutual Exchange Radio. In this episode Alex McHugh stands in for host Zachary Woodman to interview C4SS editing coordinator Evan Pierce.  Evan is a gardener, builder, and anarchist working on generating and regenerating universal ecological infrastructure. They're into the cross-pollination of ideas and intersections of praxis between anarchism, permaculture, and transhumanism. Read Evan's essay "Beyond UBI: Sowing the Seeds of Universal Ecological Infrastructure": https://c4ss.org/content/52790

Here's something a little different! We've released this episode of The Outgroup publicly both as a way to announce our new Patreon levels and as a sort of apology for the recent gap in MER episodes. Thanks for your patience while we sorted things out! Mutual Exchange Radio will be back a the end of this month. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy this episode of The Outgroup, our roundtable current events podcast that's usually only available to our supporters on Patreon. Recorded on August 1st,  this episode features Alex McHugh, Logan Marie Glitterbomb, Evan Pierce, and Joel Williamson.

In this episode of Mutual Exchange Radio, host Zachary Woodman interviews Jesse Spafford. Jesse is a Research Fellow at Trinity College Dublin working on the project REAL - Rights and Egalitarianism. His research is focused on social and political philosophy with particular attention paid to debates between libertarians, socialists, and anarchists over the moral status of the market and the state. Jesse espouses a version of left-libertarianism that's quite different from what you'll hear promoted by many here at the Center—a philosophical position that holds that certain moral principles traditionally associated with libertarianism are compatible with egalitarian views about the distribution of resources. It's a great episode for libertarians and anarchists alike. As Zach and Jesse dig into these differences and discuss what a stateless society should look like, you'll find yourself questioning all kinds of prior assumptions.  Further Reading: "Social Anarchism and the Rejection of Private Property," The Routledge Handbook of Anarchy and Anarchist Thought "Does Initial Appropriation Create New Obligations?"  Journal of Ethics and Social Philosophy (jesp.org)

In this special edition of Mutual Exchange Radio, Alex McHugh interviews Ilya, a Russian social anarchist and anti-fascist. Ilya has written for C4SS a couple of times as well as translating some English articles into Russian. In this interview, part of our "Around the World" mini-series with C4SS contributors across the world, we dig into the current muted nature of Russian political activism, the Russian far-right and the dangers they pose, and antifascist hardcore and anarcho-chanson music. Get the "Dispatches from Russia" Zine: https://store.c4ss.org/index.php/product/dispatches-from-russia-reports-from-citizen-ilya/   Additional Notes: "Coronavirus: Why Mutual Aid is Important": https://c4ss.org/content/52819 "The Russian Government's Far Right Friends": https://c4ss.org/content/53943 More on "Male State" (Russian group similar to the Proud Boys): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_State Shared equity construction fraud in Russia: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/may/30/investment-scandal-russia-defrauded-coinvestors Russian antifascist music recommendations Проверочная Линейка (Proverochnaya Lineyka): https://soundcloud.com/provierochnaialinieika What We Feel: https://www.last.fm/music/What+We+Feel Moscow Death Brigade: https://moscowdeathbrigade.bandcamp.com/ Techno Poetry: https://technopoetry.bandcamp.com/ 

In this episode of Mutual Exchange Radio, host Zachary Woodman interviews libertarian commentator Shikha Dalmia. Shikha is a former policy analyst for the Reason Foundation and has contributed to publications including Bloomberg View, the Washington Examiner,  Reason magazine, The Wall Street Journal, and USA Today. In this interview, we discuss two timely issues in American politics: immigration and populism. Starting with a philosophical discussion of what our priorities should be in how we respond to rising populism and authoritarianism, we discuss various options for moving forward. Should we move more radically in order to try and protect the rights of those targeted by populists and authoritarians -- or, as Shikha suggests, should we focus on limiting the damage done to liberal democratic institutions by surging populism?  Thank you for your continued support! Look out next month for a return to more radical perspectives after this deep dive into democracy and liberalism for the start of the season. You can always give us feedback or suggest guests by emailing us at [email protected], or by sending us a message on Patreon!   And we're back on YouTube! You can now find Mutual Exchange Radio, The Enragés, and bonus content like our recent live episode of The Outgroup, our roundtable show for patrons on the C4SS YouTube channel. 

We're excited to share this pilot episode of our new show with Joel Williamson, The Enragés. Joining Mutual Exchange Radio on the C4SS podcast roster this year, The Enragés will take a deep dive into the recent works of C4SS writers and scholars on the site. You can find the new show in all the same places as Mutual Exchange Radio, including Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, YouTube, and on our Patreon.  In this first episode of The Enragés, host Joel Williamson sits down with Kevin Carson to discuss Kevin's recent piece on the Center for a Stateless Society website "The Myth of the Private Sector, Part I: Why Big-Small and Vertical-Horizontal Trumps 'Public-Private'"—a conversion that spans from the role of government interference in the scale and structure of economic institutions to the definitions of "large" and "small" to possible right-libertarian objections to Kevin's argument and beyond. Kevin Carson is a senior fellow of the Center for a Stateless Society (c4ss.org) and holds the Center's Karl Hess Chair in Social Theory. He is an anarchist without adjectives, heavily influenced by autonomism and the new municipalist movements. His written work includes Studies in Mutualist Political Economy, Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective, The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto, and The Desktop Regulatory State all of which are freely available online. His book Exodus: General Idea of the Revolution in the XXI Century is forthcoming. Carson has also written for such print publications as The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty and a variety of internet-based journals and blogs, including Just Things and The Art of the Possible, as well as his own blogs, Mutualist Blog and Tea, Earl Grey, Hot.

Posted first on Patreon, this is a special Season 2 bonus episode with a new focus we're trying out: C4SS around the world. Our network is a truly global one and if this is content y'all enjoy, I'd like to do a short series spotlighting some of the brilliant people we're connected to outside of the U.S.  For this first episode, I interview C4SS contributor Camilo Gomez on an entirely different kind of presidential crisis. Camilo hosts the podcast, "History and Politics" which has featured a few other folks from C4SS. Besides podcasting, Camilo is a freelance writer based in Lima. In this interview, Camilo walks us through what's happening with the Peruvian presidential crisis and what anarchists and left-libertarians outside of Peru should know about the situation.  Let us know if you want to see more of this kind of content and we may make the series a part of our Season 3 line-up! (You can email [email protected] if you're not a supporter on Patreon yet.) - Alex McHugh

This episode is Part II of a two-part interview with Aurora Apolito and William Gillis, two of the lead contributors to our summer symposium on Decentralization and Economic Coordination. Listen to Part I here, or on Spotify, iTunes, and Stitcher. Aurora Apolito is a mathematician and theoretical physicist. She studied physics in Italy and mathematics in Chicago, and later worked for various scientific institutions in the US, Canada, and Germany. She also works on mathematical linguistics, and on mathematical models for neuroscience and has authored six books on various aspects of this work. I should also note that Aurora Apolito is a pen name meant to differentiate this research from her work in other fields. Our other guest is someone most listeners will be familiar with, William Gillis. Will currently acts as technology coordinator at C4SS and was formerly our coordinating director. Will is a second-generation anarchist who's worked as an activist in countless projects and capacities since getting involved in the lead-up to N30 (also known as the "Battle in Seattle"). Gillis studies high energy physics and has held a deep fascination with the egalitarian potential of markets since 2003. Their writing can be found at C4SS.org and humaniterations.net. Here are both Will & Aurora's essays in the summer Symposium: The Problem of Scale in Anarchism and the Case for Cybernetic Communism, Aurora Apolito Action Is Sometimes Clearer Than Talk: Why We Will Always Need Trade, William Gillis Centrifugal Tendencies in Information & Wealth, William Gillis *Support Logan Glitterbomb* As noted in this episode's intro, we're currently raising legal defense funds for C4SS writer Logan Marie Glitterbomb. Learn more and donate here. Meet the podcast team: Zachary Woodman - Host Tony Dreher - Audio Editor Can Standke - Editing Assistant Logan Marie Glitterbomb - Audio Contributor Cory Massimino - Treasurer Alex McHugh - Producer

This episode is Part I of a two-part interview with Aurora Apolito and William Gillis, two of the lead contributors to our summer symposium on Decentralization and Economic Coordination. Part II will be released on December 21st, although patrons can access that here now.  Aurora Apolito is a mathematician and theoretical physicist. She studied physics in Italy and mathematics in Chicago, and later worked for various scientific institutions in the US, Canada, and Germany. She also works on mathematical linguistics, and on mathematical models for neuroscience and has authored six books on various aspects of this work. I should also note that Aurora Apolito is a pen name meant to differentiate this research from her work in other fields. Our other guest is someone most listeners will be familiar with, William Gillis. Will currently acts as technology coordinator at C4SS and was formerly our coordinating director. Will is a second-generation anarchist who's worked as an activist in countless projects and capacities since getting involved in the lead-up to N30 (also known as the "Battle in Seattle"). Gillis studies high energy physics and has held a deep fascination with the egalitarian potential of markets since 2003. Their writing can be found at C4SS.org and humaniterations.net. Here are both Will & Aurora's essays in the summer Symposium: The Problem of Scale in Anarchism and the Case for Cybernetic Communism, Aurora Apolito Action Is Sometimes Clearer Than Talk: Why We Will Always Need Trade, William Gillis Centrifugal Tendencies in Information & Wealth, William Gillis *Support Logan Glitterbomb* As noted in this episode's intro, we're currently raising legal defense funds for C4SS writer Logan Marie Glitterbomb. Learn more and donate here. Meet the podcast team: Zachary Woodman - Host Tony Dreher - Audio Editor Can Standke - Editing Assistant Logan Marie Glitterbomb - Audio Contributor Cory Massimino - Treasurer Alex McHugh - Producer

Aria DiMezzo is a candidate running for Sheriff in Cheshire County, New Hampshire as a republican. Why have a Republican sheriff candidate on an anarchist podcast, you ask? Well, Aria is not what you'd expect from a GOP cop. She has had many encounters with police in her life, and very few have been positive. She is high priestess of the Reformed Satanic Church, a trans woman, and an anarchist. And she is definitely not a socially progressive libertarian trying to hijack the Republican Party, as you will discover in our conversation. In this conversation we discover why and how, exactly, an anarchist trans women is running for Sheriff as a Republican, Aria's views on economics, moral dimensions property rights, police, criminal justice, and religion, as well as some reflections on the complicated relationship between socially left-wing views and the libertarian movement as it currently exists. This conversation was a fun one, unique to have. It is not every election year you see such an interesting candidate running in an election that very few would normally pay attention to, but hey it's 2020. Meet the podcast team: Zachary Woodman - Host Tony Dreher - Audio Editor Can Standke - Editing Assistant Logan Marie Glitterbomb - Audio Contributor Cory Massimino - Treasurer Alex McHugh - Producer

Joining us today is Emmi Bevensee. Emmi is a senior fellow at the Center for a Stateless Society and currently organizing the Mutual Exchange Symposium on Decentralization and Economic Coordination. They identify as a solarpunk mutualist and research disinformation and fascism on the internet as a Mozilla Open Web fellow and data scientist. In this discussion, we discuss Emmi's lead essay in C4SS' recent Mutual Exchange Symposium on Decentralization and Economic Coordination. This is a rich discussion about a complicated issue that anarchists of all stripes, and political theorists more generally, need to take on: how do we get the goods delivered to where they need to be in society. Emmi expresses a sense of skepticism about claims social anarchists have made that communes can economically coordinate in the absence of markets. We also discussed the lead essay of and their reply to another essay from the exchange which tried to give a mathematical formulation to social anarchist attempts to work around the calculation problem by Aurora Apolito. This was an interesting informative discussion, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed having it. Meet the podcast team: Zachary Woodman - Host Tony Dreher - Audio Editor Can Standke - Editing Assistant Logan Marie Glitterbomb - Audio Contributor Cory Massimino - Treasurer Alex McHugh - Producer

Joining us today is Akiva Malamet. Akiva is completing his BA in Government at the  Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya (IDC) in Israel. He is an incoming MA student in Philosophy and a member of the interdisciplinary program in Political and Legal Thought (PLT) at Queen's University, Kingston, and Frédéric Bastiat Fellow in political economy and public policy with the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. He has written for Liberal Currents, Libertarianism.org, and other publications. He was a winner of the 2018 'Carl Menger Undergraduate Essay Contest' for his paper "Spontaneous Order as Social Construction", from the Society for the Development of Austrian Economics (SDAE). This episode is hosted by producer Alex McHugh.  Akiva's essays:  Fearing Ourselves: Dignity and Disgust in a Pandemic Vice in The Virtue of Nationalism Akiva Malamet on Israeli Politics and Jewish Culture (podcast) The Zen of Chaos If Not Now, When? Contextualizing the White Supremacist Threat to Muslims and Jews Postmodernism: A Libertarian Introduction Reconciling Libertarian and Leftist Views of Power and Equality Black anarchist/radical resources:  Burn Down the American Plantation #8toAbolition Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police As Black as Resistance Meet the podcast team: Zachary Woodman - Host Tony Dreher - Audio Editor Can Standke - Editing Assistant Logan Marie Glitterbomb - Audio Contributor Cory Massimino - Treasurer Alex McHugh - Producer

Joining me today is Vermin Supreme. You might know Vermin as the satirical presidential candidate from the last few election cycles who ran on a platform of free ponies and mandatory tooth brushing, or you might just know him as that guy with a boot on his head. But this year, he's running a slightly different campaign for the Libertarian Party Presidential Nomination. Rather than his usual dog and free pony show, he's seriously promoting left libertarian and anarchist ideas such as mutual aid and non-domination to the largely right libertarian audience in the LP. In this interview, we discuss this campaign, as well as the use of humor as a de-escalation tactic at tense protests, his history of activism within anarchist communities, and where he sees himself standing within anarchism ideologically. This was a very entertaining discussion that is quite different from the sorts we usually have on this show, so I hope you enjoy it.

Joining me today is Jason Lee Byas. Jason is a fellow at the Center for a Stateless Society. He is also a PhD student in Philosophy at the University of Michigan. His academic work focuses on punishment (and its alternatives), rights theory, and justice beyond the state. He approaches that work from within the liberal, libertarian, and anarchist traditions -- all of which broadly construed. Today, we discussed some recent work he's been doing on "methodological anarchist" approaches to political philosophy as well as the nature of violence and its relation to a theory of just property rights and distributive justice. The first part of this conversation centers on a bias a lot of analytic political philosophers have of myopically focusing on the realm of justice applying to the state and what political theory and discourse would look like if we adopted a "methodological anarchist" framework that sees the nexus of justice as existing in social norms writ large rather than just official institutions. The second part goes into a libertarian theory of violence that, when combined with normative presumptions against violence, can accommodate and generate property rights claims. We then tried to work through the implications of this theory for intellectual property, absentee landownership, and the relations of such rights claims to concerns about equity.

Joining me today is Joel Williamson of Non-Serviam media. Joel is an individualist anarchist from Texas who has been involved in different activist projects over the years. These projects range from fundraising to support political prisoners such as Ross Ulbricht, organizing "counter economic farmers markets, and engaging in varied direct action efforts. His activism has most recently been focused on Non Serviam Media, which is a small collective dedicated to exploring the world of anarchist and anti-authoritarian ideas through audio and video production. If you spend much time in the left libertarian or anarchist podcast space, you may have come across Non Serviam's excellent podcast Joel hosts called Non Serviam. If you enjoy this show at all, you probably would enjoy, if you are not already enjoying, that show. I went back and looked at our guest backlog, and roughly half of our past guests have also appeared on Joel's show. Because of the similarities between our shows and audience, we figured some cross-episodes between Non Serviam and MER were in order. I appeared on the latest episode of Non Serviam to discuss my work on democracy, nationalism, and political authority and, today, we are happy to have Joel on. This was a fun conversation that covers a range of topics from underlying philosophical foundations of Joel's anarchist outlook, to agorism, to praxis and direct action.  It was much more exploratory and funny than previous episodes of MER, which made for a fun and insightful change in pace. I hope you enjoy listening to it as much as I enjoyed having it. Also, check out Joel's interview with me on Mon Serviam, as well as all his other episodes if you happen to enjoy this conversation.

Joining me today is Roderick Long. If you spend much time looking at C4SS' work or any work in the market anarchist tradition in the last twenty years, you have likely come across Roderick's work and surely something inspired by or responding to it. Dr. Long is a professor of philosophy at Auburn University, president of the Molinari Institute and Molinari Society, editor of The Industrial Radical and Molinari Review. He is a founding member of the Alliance of the Libertarian Left, an original founding member of C4SS, and senior fellow at the Center for a Stateless Society. His work centers on the intersection of ethics, especially in the Aristotelian tradition, political philosophy, especially in the libertarian anarchist tradition, and philosophy of social science. You can find Long's writing on his blog, the Austro-Athenian Empire, Bleeding Heart Libertarians, and, of course, C4SS.org, among other places. Today's discussion centers around Long's work on libertarian class theory, as well as the normative concerns that rise out of such a theory on balancing distributive and relational justice concerns with individual liberty. As we will discuss, libertarian class theory sees a primary creator and enforcer of class distinctions as the state. This is a wide-ranging discussion that touches on the economic and sociological analysis on class theory at the heart of Roderick's work on the issue, the empirical plausibility of such a theory, whether class distinctions of this sort would continue to exist under market anarchism, and the ethical and normative framework of justice that motivates this theory. Roderick draws from Aristotelian virtue ethics to bring the seeming contradictions between a concern for individual property rights and a concern for equal treatment of all in society into balance in interesting ways. This was an extremely good, informative discussion of the sort that C4SS has become quite well known for, and I hope you enjoy listening to it as much as I enjoyed having it. Just to set the stage a little more, like our last episode with Will, this was recorded at the Eastern Division meeting of the American Philosophical Association. Roderick, through the Molinari society, organized a panel with himself, William Nava, Jason Lee Byas, and myself where we presented papers on new work in anarchist philosophy. The following day, Roderick and I went out to lunch, with a few others from the Center. We then went up to my hotel room and recorded this fun conversation off-the-cuff. I'm surprised it went so well with so little preparation. I also recorded our previous episode with Will Nava on political legitimacy that weekend, so if you haven't I encourage you to go checkout that episode. But without further ado, here is my conversation with Roderick Long.

Joining me today is Anthony Di Franco. Anthony works at the intersections of complex adaptive systems and computing and focuses on developing convivial technologies, decentralizing infrastructure, and increasing the agency of individuals and communities. He is a co-founder and board member of Counter Culture Labs, a group of biohackers in Oakland, where he founded the Open Insulin project, an effort to develop open technology for insulin production at microbrewery scale and organize patient-led cooperatives to manufacture it. Additionally, he is currently pursuing computer science research on foundational technology to make software easy to create and modify for laypeople, built on declarative programming techniques together with techniques for representing uncertain information.

This month, we bring you a special episode from the Please Try This at Home transhumanism conference. In this episode, podcast producer Alex McHugh interviews Jahed Momand on autonomous medicine. Jahed is a PNW-based anarchist interested in epistemological anarchism and radical approaches to science. He writes long-form essays and a newsletter at againstutopia.com. In the episode, we get into the problems caused by hierarchy and authority in scientific discovery, and specifically the limitations this system has placed on treatment options for mental health issues. Jahed's research focuses on depression, but we also dig into other mental health issues, such as psychotic disorders and personality disorders. It's a bit science-heavy, but Jahed explains the terms well and anyone with a basic understanding of biology should be able to keep up.  

Today, Nathan Goodman is joining Mutual Exchange Radio to discuss the provision of public goods and welfare in a stateless society. Nathan is a PhD student in economics at George Mason University. Previously, he was the Lysander Spooner Research Scholar in Abolitionist Studies at the Center for a Stateless Society (C4SS). His research interests include defense and peace economics, Austrian economics, public choice, Bloomington school institutional analysis, self-governance, and analytical anarchism. Our discussion centers around his research on why national defense might not always be a public good and how the Mormon church has found ways around game theoretic problems that arise in mutual aid. He also gives a really helpful introduction to polycentricity and some key economic concepts. 

Welcome to Mutual Exchange Radio, a project of the Center for a Stateless Society. Joining me today is Will Gillis. Will is the director of the Center and is a second generation anarchist who's worked as an activist in countless projects since getting involved in the lead-up to N30. He studies physics and writes regularly on the egalitarian potential of markets. His writing can be found on his website, humaniterations.net, as well as on C4SS.org. Today's discussion centers around a technical topic in political philosophy that has utmost importance for real-world political movements and many ideological debates: the distinction between positive and negative liberty. Will positions himself as defending a universalist conception of positive liberty as primary and against particularly neo-Lockean libertarian views that place negative liberty as fundamental, but in many ways he comes at it from a different, more highly consequentialist perspective than most theorists. He also has some interesting theories for how a heavy priority on negative liberty has lead many American libertarians towards alt-right and fascist perspectives. This was a fun, philosophically exciting conversation and I hope it is as thought-provoking for you as it was for me. Be warned though, it is a long one which is necessary since we covered a lot of ground and Will takes a lot of great philosophical sophistication and thoughtfulness into his views, which I hope comes across here.

Today we are joined by Kelly Wright. Kelly has written for the Center on topics ranging from the history of anarchist thought, transgender liberation, and police militarization. Kelly also served as Chelsea Manning's Campaign Manager for her run for U.S. Senate in the Democratic Primary in Maryland in 2018 and is a member of Chelsea's support committee providing material support for Chelsea as she defies a federal grand jury. Our topic today is on the legal tools the US Government has to target whistleblowers and dissenters and restrict the civil liberties of every day Americans. Today we cover the legal ground surrounding grand juries, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, and other examples of legal overreach by the state. Kelly is able to draw from a wide variety of examples from the history of state overreach. 

My guest today is Fabio Rojas, a professor of sociology at Indiana University. Dr. Rojas is an expert who works on the sociology of political movements and social theory. He is the author of several books, including Theory for the Working Sociologist, Party in the Street: The Antiwar Movement and the Democratic Party after 9/11 and From Black Power to Black Studies: How a Radical Social Movement Became an Academic Discipline. He is also currently co-editing Contexts, the official magazine of the American Sociological Association. Today we discussed the economics, sociology, and ethics of immigration and the open borders movement. We are exploring what a world with little to no immigration restrictions might look like and Dr. Rojas' case for why it would be preferable, both on economic and on ethical grounds. Dr. Rojas addresses some of the most common objections to open borders from the left and the right. He is a very knowledgeable expert on the sociology of immigration as well as a passionate advocate for immigrant rights and that really comes through in our conversation.

Welcome to this episode of Mutual Exchange Radio, a project of the Center for a Stateless Society. Today's guest is Lyn Ulbricht, the mother of Ross Ulbricht. Ross Ulbricht was the founder of Silk Road, a website run as a market that valued the privacy and security of its patrons highly. Because of its emphasis on privacy, it quickly became famous for hosting exchanges of a clandestine nature, such as drugs. Ross was targeted and sentenced to life without parole on entirely non-violent charges for his involvement in Silk Road on very legally dubious grounds. His case has important and dangerous legal implications for the future of the drug war, internet privacy, and due process more generally in the United States. Since Ross' arrest Lyn has strived to direct awareness beyond the sensationalism of the case to issues at stake and how the case impacts freedom in the digital age, as well as a passionate defender of due process and her son. She has spoken at numerous events; appeared on many TV, radio and podcast shows, including Reason TV, CNN, HuffPost Live and Fox; and conducted interviews with major and alternative media, including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Forbes and The Guardian. She is also featured in the documentary Deep Web.   Our conversation today focuses primarily on the details and facts of Ross's case, including the incredible story leading to his arrest and the dangerous legal precedent it sets. Without further ado, here is Lynn Ulbricht. You can get more information about Ross' case and the petition to free him at FreeRoss.org.

Welcome to Mutual Exchange radio, a project of the Center for a Stateless Society. Today's guest is Maggie McNeil, an author, journalist, and blogger who is an expert on sex work and a sex worker herself. Maggie has written a series of short stories on sex work, Ladies of the Night,  runs her own blog, The Honest Courtesan, and has had her writings featured in outlets such as The Washington Post, Reason Magazine and Cato Unbound. Most recently, she was featured prominently in the documentary The War on Whores, which you can rent on Vimeo. Today we discussed the legal and moral issues surrounding sex work in which Maggie gave her strongest case for decriminalization and responded to some common objections, as well as the social and moral implications of its decriminalization and normalization. You can tell that Maggie really knows the empirical literature on this topic and that made this an especially informative conversation. I hope you learned as much as I did.

Welcome to Mutual Exchange Radio, a project of the Center for a Stateless Society. Today's guest is Kevin Carson, a senior fellow of the Center for a Stateless Society who holds the Center's Karl Hess Chair in Social Theory. He has written books such as Studies in Mutualist Political Economy, Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective, and The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto, all of which are freely available on C4SS' website. Carson has also written for such print publications as The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty and a variety of internet-based journals and blogs, including Just Things, The Art of the Possible, the P2P Foundation, and his own Mutualist Blog. Today, we discussed a study he published last year for the Center on New Libertarian Municipalism. Libertarian Municipalism is an idea that has its roots in one of the most famous social anarchist thinkers of the twentieth century, Murray Bookchin. However, Kevin is more interested in modern movements focusing on a more decentralized model of a market economy based on common ownership of certain resources, drawing from thinkers such as Elinor Ostrom. Its focus is on an openly democratically run city on a local level, transforming local governments into partners in the transition to a post-capitalist economy. In this discussion, we cover the history of the idea of libertarian municipalism, what the movement on the ground has looked like in recent years, the policy implications of it for local cities, economic indicators that society is progressing in that direction, and common objections to the idea. It was a fun conversation that allows leftist thinking to move on from focus on, from the center, electoral political outcomes on the national level and, from more radical circles, violent insurrections that are impractical in the near future.