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Now That You See It
by Pancho Gomez & Kim Paull
Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez are two curious, opinionated friends who love nothing more than to change their own minds. Now That You See It is a podcast about the moments when a belief shifts — and what's possible once it does. Each episode, they dig into the ideas, biases, and assumptions that quietly run our lives — the ones so familiar we've stopped questioning them. Sometimes a guest joins. Sometimes it's just the two of them, thinking out loud together toward something neither of them expected. They cover the hidden operating system behind everyday stuff: why we judge others faster than ourselves, how our personalities might be inherited survival strategies, what actually makes change stick, why friendships get harder when we're grown. Conversations go long because that's when the big aha moments hit. If you've ever caught yourself wondering if anyone else saw that glitch in the matrix, you're in the right place.
Episodes
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The Things Managers Do to Help That Actually Hurt
Good intentions don’t guarantee good leadership. In this shortisode, Kim and Pancho look at management behaviors that often feel helpful to the person doing them, who is clueless about the damage they're doing. Being nice instead of kind, protecting employees from too much reality, tolerating...
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10 Coaching Questions We Ask All the Time
A surprising amount of coaching involves asking a question that sounds almost annoyingly simple. What do you want to do with that? And what else? What do you think? Powerful questions don't need to be clever or elaborate. They just need to disrupt the status quo that keeps people stuck:...
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How We Ensure the Outcomes We're Avoiding
Sometimes, usually without consciously realizing it, the behavior you use to cope with something you're trying to avoid ensures that exact outcome. Joe Hudson calls this the golden algorithm. We act in ways designed to prevent an unwanted outcome, and those same behaviors ensure it. Once you…
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Constraints Free You
We think of constraints as an added challenge. They tie us down. We don't have enough time, money, energy, emotional bandwidth - you name it. They box us in. So Kim wanted to do a shortisode about how, sometimes, they liberate us. In this shortisode, Kim and Pancho explore why constraints can...
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Ignorance Is Not the Same as Malice with Wesley Warshawer
When COVID made it possible for Wesley Warshawer to work remotely, he Googled the American city with the highest percentage of Trump voters, packed his bags in Silicon Valley, and moved there. His goal was simple: to gain a firsthand understanding of the people outside his political bubble. What…
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How to Cope With Capitalism - Shortisode pt. 1 of 2
Capitalism gives you a number of convenient ways to measure whether your life is going well: salary, title, house, savings, status. If one isn't careful, it can become easy to confuse the metrics of success with the definition of success itself, losing sight of the bigger picture. In this...
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How Not to Cope With Capitalism - Shortisode pt. 1 of 2
Capitalism is the water most of us are swimming in. Whether you love it, hate it, or have a complicated relationship with it, you still have to figure out how to live inside it. In part one of this two-part shortisode, we talk about some of the ways we think people cope with capitalism that don't...
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The 200 Year Old Fight With Your Partner Over Dishes with Judy Hu
Sometimes the fight over the dishes isn't really about the dishes. Judy Hu, licensed mental health counselor turned boundary coach and author of The Boundary Revolution, returns to explore how family history, culture, trauma, and the experiences of previous generations can show up in our...
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The Best Advice We Ever Got (and the Worst)
Advice is a tricky thing. Most of us think it's a good thing, and that when we give it, we are helping. But sometimes the advice has nothing to do with the person receiving it, and it's all about the person giving it, making it far less useful. Sometimes it helps, and sometimes it hinders. Or...
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How to Make Big Decisions Without Chasing Happiness with Stephanie Peirolo
Some of the most powerful beliefs we hold aren't ones we consciously chose. They're the stories we inherited from our families, culture, workplaces, and communities about who we're supposed to be, what success looks like, and what we're allowed to want. This week, executive coach and author...
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10 Ways to get Out of a Rut (Fast)
Feeling stuck can start to feel like a permanent state. You stop saying, “I’m having trouble moving forward,” and maybe even start identifying with it - “I’m stuck.” In this shortisode, Kim and Pancho each bring five ways to get out of a rut. They explore how changing your environment can…
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Should You Play To Win - Or Play Not To Lose? with Christina Reynolds
Christina Reynolds is a coach, a former scientist. At one point, she left a long-term relationship, quit her corporate job, and hiked across the country, all in the span of just a few months. The thing she can't unsee is that there's no such thing as the right decision. Not really. A choice only...
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5 Reasons People Stay Stuck
This is our second Shortisode, a short-podcast format discussion. As Kim calls it, it's Punch O'Clock! This one is about why people don't change even when they genuinely want to. Kim brings five reasons plus a bonus, and Pancho adds three more. They cover the obvious stuff and the sneaky stuff…
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5 Worst Things to Say When Someone Is Struggling
Welcome to our first Shortisode, the first of a new short-form format. It's Punchy O'Clock! This one is about the five worst things you can say when someone shares a challenge with you. Not because the people who say them are bad, but because almost all of us reach for these phrases with good...
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When You Change, People Get Weird with Noelle Cordeaux, Lumia CEO
Noelle is back. She founded Lumia Coaching, trained both Pancho and Kim, and is the reason the two of them know each other. This is their second conversation with her, and it picks up a thread from the first: when you change, people get weird. The three of them pull that thread from every...
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Intimacy Requires Anxiety with Dr. Bruce Chalmer
Dr. Bruce Chalmer has been a couples therapist for over 30 years. Before that, he was a statistician. And at some point in the time between the two, he went through the kind of despair that changes how someone approaches adversity forever. That experience, and what he found on the other side of…
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Embrace the Awkward: A Coach's Playbook for Speaking Up with Salvatore Manzi
Salvatore Manzi lost his voice on stage the first time he tried to speak publicly. His dad was a public speaker, and his mom facilitated large group events. It was obvious that he would also become a speaker and facilitator. The first time he stood in front of a room, he lost his voice and had to...
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You Can't Stop Comparing. So Do It Better
"Comparison is the thief of joy" is one of those phrases that gets repeated so often that we take it to be rock-solid wisdom. Pancho calls BS. Comparison is not the thief of joy. As a matter of fact, it's not a problem at all. It's one of the most fundamental tools the human mind uses to…
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If You Can't Take Time Off Is Something Wrong With You?
Kim took a real vacation. For what she believes is the first time in her adult life. The ones before were those "vacations" where the laptop comes out on the beach. They were weeks of checking email only five times a day while everyone else looked on in confusion. This time, it was a full,...
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Should I Give Up On My Dream? Live Coaching Session
Pancho came into this episode without a ready-made insight. He came in with a problem, angst, and some half-baked thoughts. He's building a coaching practice in an economy that isn't generous to people just starting out. The feedback from clients, platforms, and recruiters is overwhelmingly...
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How To Navigate Change You Didn't Choose
Kim read a book she couldn't stop taking notes on. Pancho pushed back on one of its central ideas. What followed was a conversation in which we're not quite sure if we agree. The book is Masters of Change by Brad Stulberg, and the thing Kim can't unsee is this: when you're in change you didn't...
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Pancho on 6 Habits of the Best Bosses
Just because your coworkers trust you'll do your job doesn't mean they trust you. This episode goes deep into the practical side of Pancho's relational leadership coaching: six tools he brings into corporate teams, startups, and individual coaching engagements that consistently change how people...
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The Older I Get, The Less I Know with Matthew Kimberley
Matthew Kimberley wrote a self-help book at 27 called How to Get a Grip. He was certain he had things figured out. And he's spent the last 20 years finding out how little he knew. In this episode, Matthew joins Kim and Pancho to talk about what he can't unsee: his own fallibility. It's been a...
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Adulting 103: Is it Anxiety or Your Personality?
What if some of what you've always called your personality is actually anxiety in disguise? That's the thread Kim and Pancho pull on in this episode. It's genuinely hard to untangle the overlap between who you are and what your nervous system has just gotten used to doing. They look at how traits...
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Coming Out Was Never Just About Being Gay
What happens when the version of you that has been working for so long no longer fits? This episode explores the slow process Kim took to understand herself and the resulting coming out to her friends and family. We explore how coming out is more than a process for people to publicly step into a...
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What Am I Suffering From? with Chris Burkard, Storyteller and Photographer
Chris has spent much of his life looking ahead. Ahead to the next race. The next film. The next goal. In this conversation, he reflects on what’s led him to slow his forward momentum. We talk about entering a three-day darkness retreat and being told, “You’re just an animal in a cage.” About what...
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The Moms Who Are Rewriting The Rules with Julie Bacon of the Mothership Collective
Motherhood does not arrive quietly. It changes your body, your brain, your calendar, and your identity. And then the world starts treating you differently before you’ve even figured out who you are becoming. In this conversation with Julie Bacon, founder of the Mothership Collective, we discuss…
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Why 'I Deserve' Gives You the Ick
"I deserve this." If you immediately get the ick, you're not alone. But why? Shouldn't it sound empowering? In this conversation, we unpack one of the most loaded phrases in modern self-help culture. We explore the difference between deserving dignity and demanding outcomes, between healthy...
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"Why Was I Ever Scared to Talk to This Guy?" with Pancho's Wife, Steph
The way we see ourselves can differ widly from the way others see us. We might see ourselves as competent, self-aware, and reasonable. And maybe we are. But our friends, family, significant others, and strangers all have a different idea of who we are, and that's fascinating. In this guestisode,...
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How to Stop the Boom-Bust Change Cycle with Paradie Stewart
Change rarely announces itself with fireworks. More often, it is a boring process. It's quiet. Almost like nothing is happening. In this conversation with Paradie Stewart, we talk about why real change tends to move at a pace that frustrates us, and why that frustration is often a sign you’re…
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Making Peace With An Unfair World with Kisch Lenus
We grow up with the narrative that if we follow the rules, we'll be rewarded. Go to school, work hard, check all the boxes, and things will turn out like they should. Then we're faced with the reality that sometimes the rules don’t work, the rewards never come, and the world isn't fair. In this...
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Adulting 102: In Defense of Being a Little Childish
What if some of the behaviors we’re most eager to outgrow are actually the ones we need back? In this episode, Pancho and Kim explore what we label as “childish” and why curiosity, play, emotional honesty, and joy tend to get disciplined out of us over time. They unpack how social pressure…
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Resolutions Reconsidered - What the Yogis Got Right
Every January, we feel the cultural pressure to improve (or at least act like we will). We make promises. We set goals. We tell ourselves this year will be different. Our desires and aspirations are co-opted by the rush of everyone setting resolutions and by everyone who will take your money with...
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When They're a Jerk but You're Obviously Not - Brain Bugs & Being Human
We’re quick to explain our own behavior with context and just as quick to explain other people’s behavior with character. In this episode, Pancho and Kim dig into a cognitive bias most of us are running without realizing it: the fundamental attribution error. It’s the mental shortcut that has us...
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Adulting 101: How To Make Friends As A Grownup
Adult friendships are harder than we expect, and no one really teaches us how to do them. In this episode, Pancho and Kim talk candidly about what it takes to build, maintain, and sometimes grieve friendships in adulthood. They explore why friendships fade, why friendship breakups are uniquely...
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Generations Ago, Your Personality Formed: Judy Hu on Epigenetics and Inherited Pain
What if the things you call your personality are actually unfinished survival strategies? In this episode, we sit down with Judy Hu, a licensed mental health counselor and boundary coach, to discuss trauma in context. Not just personal trauma, but cultural and inherited trauma that shapes how we...
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Breaking Open - Dan Walker on Embracing Complexity
In this episode, Kim and Pancho sit down with Dan Walker to talk about justice, conflict, and what it actually takes to stay human inside complexity. They discuss the lived, evolving version of justice that forces us to hold contradictions as true, tolerate discomfort, and stay in relationship…
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Just Make a Mark - Kiara Boston on Creativity
Most people think creativity is a talent you either have or you don’t. Kaira Boston disagrees. In this episode, Kim and Pancho sit down with Kaira to talk about creativity as a life force - a way we process emotion, work with anxiety, and relate to ourselves when words stop working. They explore...
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Part 2: How To Kill Small Talk and Become Someone Worth Talking To
If you’ve ever wondered why your conversations feel flat, it probably starts with the questions you ask. In this episode, Kim and Pancho dig into why advice is so fragile and why the real superpower, the one that actually changes your career and your relationships, is learning how to ask better...
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Part 1: How To Kill Small Talk and Become Someone Worth Talking To
If you’ve ever wondered why your conversations feel flat, it probably starts with the questions you ask. In this episode, Kim and Pancho dig into why advice is so fragile and why the real superpower, the one that actually changes your career and your relationships, is learning how to ask better...
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The Arrival Fallacy - "When I Get There I Can Finally Rest"
We love telling ourselves that once we finally reach our goal, things will settle. More peace, more joy, more sleep. The arrival fallacy sells that fantasy hard, and we keep buying it, even though every past “arrival” has proved otherwise. In this conversation, Kim and Pancho discuss what happens...
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In Love, Married, and Wouldn't Recommend It With Jordan Devine
In this episode, fellow coach Jordan Devine joins Kim and Pancho to explore the balance between relationships and individuality. Drawing from their own lives and viral moments, they discuss the societal expectations of marriage and the concept of couple privilege. They unpack the expectations we...
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Unlearning the Rush with Noelle Cordeaux
In this episode, Kim and Pancho sit down with Noelle Cordeaux, CEO and co-founder of Lumia Coaching, for a conversation about what it means to be human in a world that keeps speeding up. They explore how our obsession with progress and productivity pulls us away from joy, and how slowing down,...
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Navigating the Peaks and Valleys of Expertise
In this conversation, Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez explore various psychological concepts related to self-awareness, leadership, and personal development. They discuss the Dunning-Kruger effect, Wittgenstein's Ruler, and the Peter Principle. They touch on the importance of community support in...
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Grief and Identity: How Loss Shapes Our Lives
In this episode, Pancho and Kim discuss the various facets of grief, highlighting the kind that doesn’t always look like grief, but quietly shapes who we become. They explore how unprocessed loss can distort our sense of self and how collective grief ripples through culture, often disguised as...
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Do We Live In A Friendly Universe?
In this conversation, Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez explore the themes of ego, connection, certainty, and the nature of existence. They discuss the importance of surrendering to uncertainty, the concept of a friendly universe, and the philosophical implications of determinism and free will. Pancho...
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The Four Tendencies - Expectations and Motivation
How do we respond to our expectations of ourselves and others' expectations of us? In this conversation, Kim and Pancho explore the concept of the Four Tendencies, a personality framework developed by Gretchen Rubin that categorizes individuals based on their relationship to expectations. They...
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Idiot Compassion (aka Yeslighting)
Idiot Compassion (aka Yeslighting) might look like empathy at first glance, but it's actually a way we avoid the uncomfortable realities in our lives and relationships. It keeps us stuck in shallow relationships. It blocks growth and prevents learning, both for us and the people we care about. In...
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez are two curious, opinionated friends who love nothing more than to change their own minds. Now That You See It is a podcast about the moments when a belief shifts — and what's possible once it does. Each episode, they dig into the ideas, biases, and assumptions that quietly run our lives — the ones so familiar we've stopped questioning them. Sometimes a guest joins. Sometimes it's just the two of them, thinking out loud together toward something neither of them expected. They cover the hidden operating system behind everyday stuff: why we judge others faster than ourselves, how our personalities might be inherited survival strategies, what actually makes change stick, why friendships get harder when we're grown. Conversations go long because that's when the big aha moments hit. If you've ever caught yourself wondering if anyone else saw that glitch in the matrix, you're in the right place.
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