Now That You See It

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Now That You See It

Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez are two curious, opinionated friends who love nothing more than to change their own minds. Now That You See It is a podcast about the moments when a belief shifts — and what's possible once it does.Each episode, they dig into the ideas, biases, and assumptions that quietly run our lives — the ones so familiar we've stopped questioning them. Sometimes a guest joins. Sometimes it's just the two of them, thinking out loud together toward something neither of them expected.They cover the hidden operating system behind everyday stuff: why we judge others faster than ourselves, how our personalities might be inherited survival strategies, what actually makes change stick, why friendships get harder when we're grown.Conversations go long because that's when the big aha moments hit.If you've ever caught yourself wondering if anyone else saw that glitch in the matrix, you're in the right place.

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    Should I Give Up On My Dream? Live Coaching Session

    Pancho came into this episode without a ready-made insight. He came in with a problem, angst, and some half-baked thoughts.He's building a coaching practice in an economy that isn't generous to people just starting out. The feedback from clients, platforms, and recruiters is overwhelmingly positive, but his business bank account tells a different story. Somewhere in that gap, there's a frustration that doesn't quite fit the issues most people face in similar scenarios. It's not imposter syndrome or toxic productivity; it's harder to pin down and more personal.This episode is a live coaching session. Kim coaches Pancho through the paradoxical tension of failing while succeeding. They name it for what it actually is, to trace it back to the values being threatened, to find a way to hold the situation more loosely.Grief surfaces - disillusionment. The specific pain of finding the thing you believe you're here to do, only to have forces outside your control make it feel precarious. Pancho compares it to planting an orchard and watching the seedlings die. They highlight his value in optimizing for freedom and the sudden feeling of being boxed in as a result. And Pancho recognizes he's walking the line between arguing with reality and actually seeing it clearly.Though nothing about his situation changes by the end of the conversation, there's a noticeable internal shift.Once you see how hard it is to get out of your own head without another person to help, you can't unsee it.Referenced & Recommended Ideas / ResourcesThe Overstory by Richard Powers: the novel Pancho references, about trees, generations, and the long arc of living thingsAndrea Gibson, poet: quoted by Pancho, "Even when the truth isn't hopeful, the telling of it is"; andreadgibson.comNow That You See It ep. 26 - Adulting 103: Is It Anxiety or My Personality?: the episode on imposter syndrome, toxic productivity, and related concepts referenced in this conversationNow That You See It ep. 29 - How to Navigate Change You Didn't Choose episode: the unwanted change episode referenced directly in this conversation, on allostasis, resistance, and finding a new baseline

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    How To Navigate Change You Didn't Choose

    Kim read a book she couldn't stop taking notes on. Pancho pushed back on one of its central ideas. What followed was a conversation in which we're not quite sure if we agree.The book is Masters of Change by Brad Stulberg, and the thing Kim can't unsee is this: when you're in change you didn't choose, there are ways through it that don't require becoming a different person or pretending you're fine. The concept at the center of it is allostasis, stability through change, the idea that after real disruption, you don't return to who you were. You arrive at a new baseline. And there's a window, documented and finite, right after everything falls apart, where you actually get to influence what your baseline looks like.Kim connects this to her work in health equity and the concept of weathering, how chronic stress physically ages the body, and what that means for who gets to recover well from life's upheavals and who doesn't. Pancho connects it to his own experience of getting laid off, moving into his truck at 24, and what it means to optimize for freedom in a way that makes certain kinds of loss feel less like loss.The disagreement is about suffering. The book defines suffering as time multiplied by resistance (suffering = time x resistance). Pancho isn't sure that's fair, because resistance might be inevitable. Calling suffering optional might just be setting people up to judge themselves for being human.They don't fully resolve it. But they get somewhere more honest than where they started.Referenced & Recommended Ideas / ResourcesMasters of Change by Brad Stulberg: the book that prompted this episode, on navigating change you didn't choose; bradstulberg.comThe concept of weathering, via Arlene Geronimus: how chronic stress physically ages the body; search "Arlene Geronimus weathering" for her researchThe Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg: the Target pregnancy algorithm story referenced in the episodeAtomic Habits by James Clear: Kim brought it up, thinking about Charles Duhigg's work. Worth mentioning, since together they are arguably the best two books on habits written in the past 20 years.Andrea Gibson, poet: quoted directly by Pancho: "Even when the truth isn't hopeful, the telling of it is"; andreadgibson.com

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    Pancho on 6 Habits of the Best Bosses

    Just because your coworkers trust you'll do your job doesn't mean they trust you.This episode goes deep into the practical side of Pancho's relational leadership coaching: six tools he brings into corporate teams, startups, and individual coaching engagements that consistently change how people work together. Most of them require nothing more than a shared document or a different approach to the same conversation.Each tool connects back to a throughline Pancho: the goal is employee empowerment. Teaching people to think like stakeholders, develop personal agency, and understand how their work connects to something bigger.Kim brings her own lens throughout, including the concept of mattering and the parallel between what adults need at work and what kids need at home.Referenced & Recommended Ideas / ResourcesRadical Candor by Kim Scott: the framework behind hard conversations at work, care personally, challenge directly - ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmxHUiiHgNk⁠Brené Brown on trust - ⁠https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vaq2jMJe4mU⁠Simon Sinek on trust - ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3nrxoC_ag⁠Carol Sanford's regenerative design thinking: the framework behind personal agency, locus of control, and external considering - ⁠https://carolsanford.com/the-regenerative-business/⁠Dan Walker on Now That You See It, Episode 4 - ⁠https://open.spotify.com/episode/1I0ZfSCVQYqbcHGc8CSMok?si=f8744536d81d4a56⁠Zach Mercurio, Mattering: concept of mattering vs. belonging - ⁠https://www.zachmercurio.com/the-power-of-matterin⁠g/

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    The Older I Get, The Less I Know with Matthew Kimberley

    Matthew Kimberley wrote a self-help book at 27 called How to Get a Grip. He was certain he had things figured out. And he's spent the last 20 years finding out how little he knew.In this episode, Matthew joins Kim and Pancho to talk about what he can't unsee: his own fallibility. It's been a gradual process: kids born with health challenges, a marriage dragged through the rocks, career swings that didn't land, and the accumulation of everything life throws at you when you stop being invincible.What fills the space left by that certainty? For Matthew, it's relationships. A personal CRM to stay in touch with the people he cares about. A Red Velvet Rope policy that protects everyone's experience. The understanding that every good thing in his career traces back to a person, not a strategy.The conversation also gets into the Dunning-Kruger effect, why Matthew has largely gone quiet on the internet, why silence isn't violence, and what it looks like to operate from hard-won wisdom instead of loud confidence.Once you see how much you don't know, you can't unknow it. But that's not necessarily a bad place to be.Concepts ExploredThe Dunning-Kruger effect and what it looks like from the inside looking outFallibility as a slow realization rather than a single momentRelationships as infrastructure: why Matthew traces every career win back to a person, not a strategyThe Red Velvet Rope Policy and why protecting who you work with protects everyoneReferenced & Recommended ResourcesBook Yourself Solid by Michael Port and Matthew Kimberley (20th anniversary edition, October 2025): the system Matthew built his coaching practice aroundThe Single Malt Mastermind: Matthew's weekly email accountability program at singlemaltmastermind.comWittgenstein's Ruler via Nassim Nicholas Taleb: if a source isn't reliable, their opinion says more about them than about the subjectmatthewkimberley.com: where to find Matthew and reach out directly

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    Adulting 103: Is it Anxiety or Your Personality?

    What if some of what you've always called your personality is actually anxiety in disguise?That's the thread Kim and Pancho pull on in this episode. It's genuinely hard to untangle the overlap between who you are and what your nervous system has just gotten used to doing.They look at how traits like conscientiousness, planning, and people-pleasing can be anxiety in a disguise that seems reasonable. And how, when it's been baked in long enough, it stops looking like a coping mechanism and starts looking like just... you.Pancho introduces the Hedonic Treadmill of Anxiety, the loop where unaddressed fear gets intellectualized into worst-case scenarios, generates a small dopamine hit, and keeps you spinning in hypotheticals instead of taking real action. Kim brings in the Big Five personality traits to help draw the line between what you were born with and what got layered on top.The episode introduces useful ways to distinguish between your anxiety and your personality. It's a tricky distinction to draw, and there aren't necessarily clear answers. But it's an opportunity to understand yourself and your nervous system with more nuance.Once you see that this constant anxious baseline might not be a part of who you are, you can't unsee it.Recommended Reading and Concepts to Explore⁠Now That You See It ep 13 - Generations Ago, Your Personality Formed: Judy Hu On Epigenetics and Inherited Pain⁠⁠Joe Hudson on the experiences we avoid feeling⁠The Big 5 Personality Traits - take the test ⁠here⁠⁠The Hedonic Treadmill of Anxiety article

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    Coming Out Was Never Just About Being Gay

    What happens when the version of you that has been working for so long no longer fits?This episode explores the slow process Kim took to understand herself and the resulting coming out to her friends and family.We explore how coming out is more than a process for people to publicly step into a more self-affirming sexual orientation. Coming out is a process for anyone who has to share something about their identity when there's something at stake.Whether it's coming out as gay, telling your kids about your separation, or admitting to yourself and your coworkers that you're burned out, publicly stepping into a new identity comes with risk.In this episode, we get into:The loss of being the capable, reliable oneWhy burnout can also bring clarity, not just exhaustionThe gap between knowing something needs to change and actually changing itThe tension between truth and safety, and how that shapes how we navigate these dynamicsFinally, we talk about the difficulty and cognitive dissonance of staying in a situation that no longer fits, even after coming out.Recommended Research and Reading⁠Brené Brown’s Values Exercise⁠The Dunning-Kruger Effect and The Valley of Despair⁠Adam Grant on Languishing⁠Staying Stuck in Cognitive Dissonance

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    What Am I Suffering From? with Chris Burkard, Storyteller and Photographer

    Chris has spent much of his life looking ahead.Ahead to the next race. The next film. The next goal.In this conversation, he reflects on what’s led him to slow his forward momentum.We talk about entering a three-day darkness retreat and being told, “You’re just an animal in a cage.” About what surfaces when fight-or-flight kicks in without your usual coping mechanisms. About asking yourself, What am I suffering from?We also talk about friendship and family.About showing love through acts of service, while wishing you had shown up in person more.About realizing you’ve been “on your own program” and trying to renegotiate what relationships look like at 40.And we talk about his mom.Sixteen surgeries.Moving home to be closer.The strange experience of outliving a parent.And the awareness that, eventually, the people we love become the stories we tell about them.Chris doesn’t present himself as having figured it out. He’s in it. Grateful. Regretful. Still recalibrating.After spending years looking ahead and a season looking back, he’s trying to do something simpler: Be right here.Resources Mentioned & Recommended Reading/ListeningLearn more about Chris and his work ⁠https://www.chrisburkard.com/⁠Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less by Greg McKeownSky Cave Darkness Retreats - ⁠https://www.skycaveretreats.com/⁠⁠Adulting 101: How To Make Friends as a Grownup ⁠

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    The Moms Who Are Rewriting The Rules with Julie Bacon of the Mothership Collective

    Motherhood does not arrive quietly. It changes your body, your brain, your calendar, and your identity. And then the world starts treating you differently before you’ve even figured out who you are becoming.In this conversation with Julie Bacon, founder of the Mothership Collective, we discuss the identity shift of motherhood, both from within and from without. Julie shares what it was like to mountain bike while pregnant, struggle through postpartum depression, and build a community that refuses to let motherhood shrink who women are.We explore the mental load no one prepares you for, the tension of trading off freedom with a partner, and why visibility matters when it comes to pregnant bodies doing powerful things. We also unpack what happens when an eight-month pregnant climber goes viral, and the internet trolls weigh in.This episode is for all the moms out there navigating this inevitable identity shift and those in support of that journey.What does it take to stay connected to yourself when everything is changing and the world is telling you to become someone else?Resources Mentioned and Suggested Reading⁠The Mothership Blog⁠⁠@the.mothership.collective⁠ on InstagramMatrescence by Lucy Jones⁠Identity-Based Habits⁠ by James Clear⁠Maternity Shoot Instagram post⁠

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    Why 'I Deserve' Gives You the Ick

    "I deserve this."If you immediately get the ick, you're not alone. But why? Shouldn't it sound empowering?In this conversation, we unpack one of the most loaded phrases in modern self-help culture. We explore the difference between deserving dignity and demanding outcomes, between healthy self-care and subtle entitlement. Depending on how "I deserve" is used, it can signal a healthy relationship with your needs or it can be a way of emotionally bypassing the shame you feel about having them met.Though we agree on several points, Kim and I (Pancho) come to realize we hold a different framework of what it means to deserve and when we are actually deserving of things.We talk about deserving in transactional relationships, the tension between self-determination and belonging, and how burnout and resentment often result from an unhealthy relationship with deserving rest. Along the way, we question whether deserving is something we earn, something inherent, or mostly a story we tell ourselves to avoid harder emotions.This episode is for anyone who struggles to rest without earning it, to ask for help without guilt, or to process disappointment without turning it into bitterness.If it feels like something is off when someone says, "I deserve," then this episode is for you. And if you're the one who said it, this episode is for you too :)Resources Mentioned & Recommended Reading / ListeningSapiens by Yuval Noah Harari - Chapter 6: "Building Pyramids" proposes that human rights are a culturally constructed fiction⁠Self-Determination Theory⁠⁠Desert (philosophy)⁠⁠⁠EMDR Therapy

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    "Why Was I Ever Scared to Talk to This Guy?" with Pancho's Wife, Steph

    The way we see ourselves can differ widly from the way others see us. We might see ourselves as competent, self-aware, and reasonable. And maybe we are. But our friends, family, significant others, and strangers all have a different idea of who we are, and that's fascinating.In this guestisode, Pancho’s wife Steph joins the podcast, with Kim facilitating, to explore the gap between self-perception and how we’re actually perceived by family, colleagues, and strangers. The conversation starts with jokes about Pancho's ADHD and dirty dishes, then moves into a deeper discussion of blind spots, intimidation, personality frameworks, and the strange way we revert to older versions of ourselves around the people who’ve known us longest.This episode is for those who feel quietly misunderstood or who wonder how to build more honest, open relationships. We talk about the dynamics of moving from one chapter of life into the next, growing together or growing apart as we go.Resources Mentioned & Recommended Reading / ListeningHow The Enneagram System WorksThe Four Tendencies by Gretchen RubinDriven to Distraction by Edward Hallowell & John RateyThe science of healthy relationships with John and Julie Gottman | Re:Thinking with Adam Grant

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    How to Stop the Boom-Bust Change Cycle with Paradie Stewart

    Change rarely announces itself with fireworks. More often, it is a boring process. It's quiet. Almost like nothing is happening.In this conversation with Paradie Stewart, we talk about why real change tends to move at a pace that frustrates us, and why that frustration is often a sign you’re doing it right. We explore the tension between urgency and sustainability, how intensity can masquerade as progress, and why slowing down is sometimes the most disciplined move you can make.This episode is for anyone who feels behind, impatient, or tempted to overhaul their life for the tenth time. We’re less interested in hacks and more interested in what actually sticks, even when it doesn’t feel impressive in the moment.If you’ve ever wondered why lasting change feels underwhelming before it feels transformative, this one’s for you.Resources Mentioned & Recommended Reading / ListeningThe Art of Wayfinding: Discover Your Inner Guide On & Off the Mat by Meadow DeVor⁠Positive Intelligence: How to Overcome Saboteurs in Coaching⁠⁠Internal Family Systems Therapy⁠⁠The Connection Between Heart Rate Variability and Mental Health

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    Making Peace With An Unfair World with Kisch Lenus

    We grow up with the narrative that if we follow the rules, we'll be rewarded. Go to school, work hard, check all the boxes, and things will turn out like they should. Then we're faced with the reality that sometimes the rules don’t work, the rewards never come, and the world isn't fair.In this episode, Pancho and Kim talk with Kish Lenus about bumping up against the “hidden rules” of schooling, work, systems, and success. Kish shares how he moved between cultures, expectations, and assumptions about effort and reward. He shares how his unique background shaped his path into community building and entrepreneurship. Along the way they explore entitlement, fairness, culture, and how resilience, adaptability, and community often matter more than rigid rule-following.This is a grounded take on what actually shapes success and meaning in a world that rarely makes sense the way we were told it would.We grow up with the narrative that if we follow the rules, we'll be rewarded. Go to school, work hard, check all the boxes, and things will turn out like they should. Then we're faced with the reality that sometimes the rules don’t work, the rewards never come, and the world isn't fair.In this episode, Pancho and Kim talk with Kish Lenus about bumping up against the “hidden rules” of schooling, work, systems, and success. Kish shares how he moved between cultures, expectations, and assumptions about effort and reward. He shares how his unique background shaped his path into community building and entrepreneurship. Along the way they explore entitlement, fairness, culture, and how resilience, adaptability, and community often matter more than rigid rule-following.This is a grounded take on what actually shapes success and meaning in a world that rarely makes sense the way we were told it would.Resources Mentioned and Recommended Reading/ListeningThinking in Bets by Annie DukeFor more information on Inputs, Outputs, and Outcomes, see 23 Lessons from 2025, Modern WisdomThe Knowledge Project #37: “Getting Better by Being Wrong” with Annie DukeAbsolute Success is Luck. Relative Success is Hard Work. by James ClearKisch's Recommended Listening:Jay-ZCleo SolEuroKim's Recommended Listening:Crimetown, the podcast on Rhode Islands mobArt of Accomplishment podcastBeing Well podcastMind Pump podcastSaultRosaliaBad BunnyBon IverJorja SmithJamila WoodsPancho's Recommended Listening:Modern Wisdom podcastParra por Cuvaalt-jSwimming PaulJamie xx

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    Adulting 102: In Defense of Being a Little Childish

    What if some of the behaviors we’re most eager to outgrow are actually the ones we need back?In this episode, Pancho and Kim explore what we label as “childish” and why curiosity, play, emotional honesty, and joy tend to get disciplined out of us over time. They unpack how social pressure teaches us to be polite instead of honest, agreeable instead of curious, and composed instead of alive.Drawing from psychology, lived experience, and a few uncomfortable truths, the conversation looks at what gets lost when adulthood becomes synonymous with restraint and self-censorship. What unlocks for us when we stop confusing maturity with emotional numbness?This is an opportunity to reframe. Acting like a child might not be regressing - it might be reclaiming the parts of ourselves that never needed fixing in the first place.Resources Mentioned / Recommended Reading and ListeningRaising an Emotionally Intelligent Child by John GottmanAdult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by Lindsay C. GibsonThe Whole-Brain Child by Daniel J. Siegel and Tina Payne BrysonPaul Ekman’s research on emotional expression and cultural “display rules”Self-Determination Theory by Edward Deci and Richard RyanHarvard Business Review: “Why Curiosity Matters More Than Ever”

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    Resolutions Reconsidered - What the Yogis Got Right

    Every January, we feel the cultural pressure to improve (or at least act like we will).We make promises. We set goals. We tell ourselves this year will be different. Our desires and aspirations are co-opted by the rush of everyone setting resolutions and by everyone who will take your money with the promise of helping you make them real this time.In this episode, Kim and Pancho slow the whole thing down and look at what actually happens when we set resolutions. Why do they so often slide into self-deception, quiet self-abandonment, or a weird performance of self-discipline? How can we pressure-test our resolutions?Kim and Pancho discuss priming and gratitude, the idea that discipline can create freedom, and what yoga philosophy offers when our goals resolutinos start to feel like they're not doing what they're supposed to. Anti-resolutions show up as a kind of grace period. This episode is a chance to notice what no longer fits before announcing what’s next.If January makes you weird about goals, or you’re tired of starting over, this episode offers a steadier way to make plans that don’t require lying to yourself.Resources Mentioned / Recommended Reading and ListeningEverything Life Coaching (Lumia Podcast) - "The Science of Goal Setting (How Clear Plans Calm Anxiety and Create Change)"The Yamas and Niyamas by Deborah AdeleThe Heart of Yoga by T.K.V DesikacharThe Huberman Lab - "The Science of Gratitude & How to Build a Gratitude Practice"

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    When They're a Jerk but You're Obviously Not - Brain Bugs & Being Human

    We’re quick to explain our own behavior with context and just as quick to explain other people’s behavior with character.In this episode, Pancho and Kim dig into a cognitive bias most of us are running without realizing it: the fundamental attribution error. It’s the mental shortcut that has us labeling other people as lazy, rude, careless, or difficult while giving ourselves a much more generous read of the situation.Using everyday examples, this conversation explores how and why we default to character judgments, what our brains are trying to protect us from, and how much nuance gets lost when we ignore context. The episode looks at how these attribution errors quietly shape relationships, conflict, communication, and self-perception.This isn’t about becoming nicer or more forgiving overnight. It’s about noticing the stories you tell about other people and yourself, and what changes when you slow that reflex down.If you’ve ever wondered why misunderstandings escalate so fast, or why empathy feels harder than it should, this episode offers a simple but uncomfortable reframe worth sitting with.

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    Adulting 101: How To Make Friends As A Grownup

    Adult friendships are harder than we expect, and no one really teaches us how to do them.In this episode, Pancho and Kim talk candidly about what it takes to build, maintain, and sometimes grieve friendships in adulthood. They explore why friendships fade, why friendship breakups are uniquely difficult, and how life transitions reshape who we can actually show up for.This isn’t about fixing your social life. It’s about context, loosening self-blame, and learning how to be a villager in a hyper-individualistic world.If adult friendship has felt confusing, lonely, or heavier than it used to be, this conversation offers a more honest way to think about it.Resources Mentioned We Should Get Together: The Secret to Cultivating Better Friendships by Kat Vellos - ⁠https://weshouldgettogether.com/⁠Friendship by David Whyte - ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scnhCFuWiI⁠Our Epidemic of Loneliness and Isolation - The U.S. Surgeon General’s Advisory on the Healing Effects of Social Connection and Community - ⁠https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/surgeon-general-social-connection-advisory.pdf

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    Generations Ago, Your Personality Formed: Judy Hu on Epigenetics and Inherited Pain

    What if the things you call your personality are actually unfinished survival strategies?In this episode, we sit down with Judy Hu, a licensed mental health counselor and boundary coach, to discuss trauma in context. Not just personal trauma, but cultural and inherited trauma that shapes how we relate, react, and protect ourselves.Judy unpacks why trauma often masquerades as personality, why boundaries are embodied and political, and how epigenetics helps explain reactions that feel bigger than the moment. We explore anger as a signal, grief as unfinished work, and what it means to move from fixing ourselves to understanding ourselves.If you’ve ever felt shame for responses that feel automatic and outsized, this episode offers a different frame.Resources MentionedJudy Hu's Book - https://theboundaryrevolution.com/my-bookResmaa Menakem, My Grandmother’s HandsIngrid Clayton, FawningLouise Hay, You Can Heal Your BodyRoss Douthat, There’s a Simpler Explanation for the Rightward Shift of Young MenMichael W. Green, Part 1: My Life Is a Lie

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    Breaking Open - Dan Walker on Embracing Complexity

    In this episode, Kim and Pancho sit down with Dan Walker to talk about justice, conflict, and what it actually takes to stay human inside complexity. They discuss the lived, evolving version of justice that forces us to hold contradictions as true, tolerate discomfort, and stay in relationship when it would be easier to collapse into certainty or people-pleasing.Dan shares how his experiences navigating legal systems, professional transitions, and romantic relationships have reshaped his understanding of right and wrong, conflict engagement versus conflict resolution, and why binary thinking keeps us stuck. Together, they explore emotional intelligence, distress tolerance, and the role community plays when old identities or relationships fall away. It’s a conversation about learning to stay present with tension, engage conflict without needing to “win,” and grow by holding more than one truth at the same time.

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    Just Make a Mark - Kiara Boston on Creativity

    Most people think creativity is a talent you either have or you don’t. Kaira Boston disagrees.In this episode, Kim and Pancho sit down with Kaira to talk about creativity as a life force - a way we process emotion, work with anxiety, and relate to ourselves when words stop working. They explore why creativity often shows up when we’re stuck, overwhelmed, or quietly unhappy, and how small, imperfect acts of self-expression can do more for our mental health than trying to think our way toward change.From why constraints actually help creativity, to why making the first mark matters more than making something we think is good, this conversation reframes creativity as accessible, practical, and deeply human. If you’ve ever felt blocked, restless, or disconnected from yourself, this episode offers a different way in.

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    Part 2: How To Kill Small Talk and Become Someone Worth Talking To

    If you’ve ever wondered why your conversations feel flat, it probably starts with the questions you ask.In this episode, Kim and Pancho dig into why advice is so fragile and why the real superpower, the one that actually changes your career and your relationships, is learning how to ask better questions. They break down how advice gets warped by the giver’s ego and worldview, why it rarely survives real-life change, and what happens when you stop chasing answers and start getting curious instead.From dismantling small talk to knowing when silence does more heavy lifting than words, they get into the mechanics of questions that actually open people up instead of steering them. If you want fewer canned answers and more honest conversations, this episode gives you the tools to start asking the questions that actually matter.

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    Part 1: How To Kill Small Talk and Become Someone Worth Talking To

    If you’ve ever wondered why your conversations feel flat, it probably starts with the questions you ask.In this episode, Kim and Pancho dig into why advice is so fragile and why the real superpower, the one that actually changes your career and your relationships, is learning how to ask better questions. They break down how advice gets warped by the giver’s ego and worldview, why it rarely survives real-life change, and what happens when you stop chasing answers and start getting curious instead.From dismantling small talk to knowing when silence does more heavy lifting than words, they get into the mechanics of questions that actually open people up instead of steering them. If you want fewer canned answers and more honest conversations, this episode gives you the tools to start asking the questions that actually matter.

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    The Arrival Fallacy - "When I Get There I Can Finally Rest"

    We love telling ourselves that once we finally reach our goal, things will settle. More peace, more joy, more sleep. The arrival fallacy sells that fantasy hard, and we keep buying it, even though every past “arrival” has proved otherwise.In this conversation, Kim and Pancho discuss what happens when we pin too much hope on a single accomplishment. Kim discusses how the arrival fallacy leads to burnout, causing us to hold our discomfort at arm’s length and convince ourselves that the next accomplishment will magically fix everything. Pancho discusses how shifting our focus from outcomes to process can be a more reliable means to sustainable peace and joy.

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    In Love, Married, and Wouldn't Recommend It With Jordan Devine

    In this episode, fellow coach Jordan Devine joins Kim and Pancho to explore the balance between relationships and individuality. Drawing from their own lives and viral moments, they discuss the societal expectations of marriage and the concept of couple privilege. They unpack the expectations we bring into long-term commitment, how those evolve over time, and why marriage can be one of the most powerful spaces for us to grow and learn how to be a better human. The conversation challenges traditional narratives and encourages listeners to reflect on their own definitions of a happy, successful relationship.Whether you're in a relationship, about to get married, or exploring your individuality, this episode offers valuable insights and a fresh perspective on modern relationships.

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    Unlearning the Rush with Noelle Cordeaux

    In this episode, Kim and Pancho sit down with Noelle Cordeaux, CEO and co-founder of Lumia Coaching, for a conversation about what it means to be human in a world that keeps speeding up.They explore how our obsession with progress and productivity pulls us away from joy, and how slowing down, connecting with nature, and leaning on community can bring us back to ourselves. Noelle shares her take on burnout as a natural signal rather than a failure, and why rituals, uncertainty, and even small acts of creativity can help us shed old identities and grow into new ones.It’s an honest, funny, and thoughtful conversation about what it takes to find joy in authenticity and the importance of personal growth.

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    Navigating the Peaks and Valleys of Expertise

    In this conversation, Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez explore various psychological concepts related to self-awareness, leadership, and personal development. They discuss the Dunning-Kruger effect, Wittgenstein's Ruler, and the Peter Principle.They touch on the importance of community support in stressful times, when we are less capable of seeing ourselves clearly. The conversation emphasizes the need for humility and self-awareness in both personal and professional growth, highlighting the challenges of navigating leadership roles and the impact of stress on decision-making.

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    Grief and Identity: How Loss Shapes Our Lives

    In this episode, Pancho and Kim discuss the various facets of grief, highlighting the kind that doesn’t always look like grief, but quietly shapes who we become. They explore how unprocessed loss can distort our sense of self and how collective grief ripples through culture, often disguised as frustration, distraction, or burnout. Together they unpack the ways grief hides in plain sight, the anger it sometimes wears as armor, and why learning to face it might be one of the most radical forms of emotional intelligence we have.

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    Do We Live In A Friendly Universe?

    In this conversation, Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez explore the themes of ego, connection, certainty, and the nature of existence.They discuss the importance of surrendering to uncertainty, the concept of a friendly universe, and the philosophical implications of determinism and free will. Pancho gives his pitch on optimistic nihilism, the search for meaning in chaos, and the nature of choice. To wrap up, Kim shares a story that explores the value of creating meaning in our lives, even if it's using a framework that's not necessarily true.

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    The Four Tendencies - Expectations and Motivation

    How do we respond to our expectations of ourselves and others' expectations of us?In this conversation, Kim and Pancho explore the concept of the Four Tendencies, a personality framework developed by Gretchen Rubin that categorizes individuals based on their relationship to expectations. They discuss the implications of each tendency—Upholders, Questioners, Obligers, and Rebels—highlighting their strengths and weaknesses.The conversation also explores how these tendencies relate to identity, self-awareness, and personal development, emphasizing the importance of understanding oneself and others in various contexts, including coaching and relationships.

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    Idiot Compassion (aka Yeslighting)

    Idiot Compassion (aka Yeslighting) might look like empathy at first glance, but it's actually a way we avoid the uncomfortable realities in our lives and relationships. It keeps us stuck in shallow relationships. It blocks growth and prevents learning, both for us and the people we care about. In our debut episode, Pancho and Kim briefly discuss Kim's excitement for back to school, Pancho's wedding planning process, and the nuances of executive functioning with ADHD. Then they dive into the heart of the episode: why yeslighting, gaslighting’s more common and equally subversive cousin, is so easy to fall into and so hard to see until you name it.

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Kim Paull and Pancho Gomez are two curious, opinionated friends who love nothing more than to change their own minds. Now That You See It is a podcast about the moments when a belief shifts — and what's possible once it does.Each episode, they dig into the ideas, biases, and assumptions that quietly run our lives — the ones so familiar we've stopped questioning them. Sometimes a guest joins. Sometimes it's just the two of them, thinking out loud together toward something neither of them expected.They cover the hidden operating system behind everyday stuff: why we judge others faster than ourselves, how our personalities might be inherited survival strategies, what actually makes change stick, why friendships get harder when we're grown.Conversations go long because that's when the big aha moments hit.If you've ever caught yourself wondering if anyone else saw that glitch in the matrix, you're in the right place.

HOSTED BY

Pancho Gomez & Kim Paull

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