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Nursing the Nation

Nursing the Nation is a podcast where we dissect today's headlines through the uniquely insightful lens of the nurse. Join hosts, Jamie & Melissa Anne, as they use their nursing expertise to navigate the complexities of national events, offering perspectives rooted in holism, advocacy, and nursing science. Beyond the medical jargon and political noise, they’ll explore the human element of current affairs, providing a grounded and compassionate understanding of the issues that impact us all. Because when it comes to understanding the pulse of our society, who better to ask than the most trusted profession?

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    Saturday (on a Sunday) Soapbox: The RISE Rule: How the Dept of Education Just Made It Harder to Become a Nurse

    The Department of Education just finalized the RISE Rule — and graduate nursing still isn't a "professional degree." What does that mean? It means nursing students starting after July 1, 2026 can borrow less than half of what med students, law students, and even chiropractic students can access in federal loans. The Department says it's just a classification issue. Jamie says it's misogyny in a bureaucratic hat.Jamie breaks down what the RISE Rule actually does, why the CIP code defense doesn't hold up, why "just get a private loan" is not the answer anyone thinks it is, and what this means for a nursing workforce that's already short 264,000 nurses — with 40% of current nurses planning to leave within five years. Plus: what you can do about it, and why your legislators need to hear from you yesterday.Stay tuned after the Soapbox for our conversation with Dr. Victoria Soltis-Jarrett of UNC on what "professional" status really means for the nurses doing this work every day.See more on our Substack.

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    BONUS Episode: Referred Pain, or When the 'Not-War' Hits Home

    The U.S. and Israel have launched massive strikes against Iran. Cable news is debating carrier groups and regime change. We're checking the vitals of the people right here at home.War doesn't just happen "over there." In this bonus episode, Jamie and Melissa Anne apply the nursing lens to the Third Gulf War's homefront realities — from a spike in oil prices and the financial toxicity hitting American households, to the cortisol-soaked "Headline Stress Disorder" disrupting sleep, relationships, and mental health across the country.We also offer a four-step Nursing Care Plan for surviving a nation on a war footing — because you can't put a bandage on collective anxiety, but you can titrate media intake, add fact based journalism, and [Jamie's go to] contact your Congressional representatives.

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    BONUS Episode: Nursing is a Profession with Dr. Victoria Soltis-Jarrett

    Today's bonus episode features a discussion based on the Department of Education's final proposed rule that will EXCLUDE graduate level nursing education from the professional federal student loan limits. Jamie and Melissa Anne discuss how this impacts nurses, patients, and the healthcare system at large with Dr. Victoria Soltis-Jarrett, while providing context to what exactly graduate level nursing is.Get more info, show notes, and follow us on Substack: https://nursingthenation.substack.com/

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    BONUS Episode: The Cost of Compassion & Remembering Alex Petti, RN

    Jamie and Melissa Anne address the escalating violence and the tragic loss of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, a VA ICU nurse who was killed by ICE agents on Saturday, January 24, 2026, in Minnesota. Speaking not just as nurses, but as witnesses to the "best and worst of humanity," they deliver an urgent message to those who have previously remained silent or supported the current administration’s immigration policies. Get more info, show notes, and follow us on Substack: https://nursingthenation.substack.com/

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    BONUS Episode: Bobby's Dangerous Experiment

    In this episode, Jamie and Melissa Anne unpack reports of a CDC-funded study in Guinea-Bissau that would randomize newborns to receive the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth versus a delayed dose, which is framed by RFK Jr. as “gold standard science.” They break down what decades of evidence say about Hep B transmission and why the birth dose matters, then dig into the ethical red flags of testing delayed protection in a hyper-endemic setting, including concerns about vulnerable populations, justice, and preventable harm. We also connect the this "gold standard science" experiment to research ethics frameworks and discuss potential investigator bias and “cronyism” concerns. We also ask why this story hasn’t gotten more mainstream attention?For more head to Nursingthenation.substack.com.

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    BONUS Episode: Nursing the Nation on Humanism Now with James Hodgson

    We’re excited to share a special bonus episode today. Jamie and Melissa recently joined host James Hodgson on Humanism Now, a podcast that explores how compassion, curiosity, equality, and freedom can help us build a fairer and more humane world. The show showcases the values and applications of a Humanist worldview. It's not anti-religion — it’s pro-human — and each week James speaks with thinkers, community leaders, and everyday people about how humanist values shape their lives and work.This podcast highlights various conversations that align with a shared mission of Nursing the Nation: from science and education to ethics, the arts, and social care, Humanism Now celebrates the one life we have and the responsibility we share to leave a better world for those who follow. If you enjoy this conversation, you can find Humanism Now on all major podcast platforms and on social media at @HumanismNowPod — links are in the show notes. James also runs Humanise Live, a production team helping charities and purpose-driven organizations start podcasts with heart, so do reach out if you’ve ever wanted to share your mission through podcasting. James was wonderful to work with!Here’s our conversation with Humanism Now. Remember to head to Nursingthenation.substack.com.

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    S1.E30 When Nurses Start Fact-Checking the Nation

    As Season One of Nursing the Nation wraps up, Jamie and Melissa Anne sit down for a lighter, reflective conversation about the surprises, challenges, and insights that shaped their first year behind the mic. From discovering that both the Senate and House have nursing caucuses (who knew?) to unexpected twists in health policy history, the season taught them just as much as it informed listeners. They also share personal updates,(Melissa entering the dissertation phase of her PhD and Jamie following close behind) and how their doctoral work and nursing practice continue to guide the show’s direction.Looking ahead to Season Two, they preview deep dives into the MAHA strategy plan, a behind-the-scenes look at the business of health care with an industry insider, and a multifaceted series on the U.S. maternal health crisis. Expect even more evidence-based policy analysis, nursing-centered perspectives, and conversations that highlight just how political, expansive, and essential nursing truly is.Season Two will continue the ethical obligation nurses have to advocate for safety, dignity, equity, and just health policy. Until then, Jamie will still be active on Substack reading, writing, and keeping the conversation going. Thanks to everyone who joined us this season for a nurse’s take on the nation.For more head to Nursingthenation.substack.com.

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    S1.E29 Shout Out Saturday: Dr. Ann Burgess

    Our last Shout Out this season is to the esteemed nurse Ann Burgess. Ann Burgess is a doctorally prepared nurse scientist that is internationally recognized for her pioneering work in forensic science. Even if you have not heard her by name, you are likely to have known of her work. Did you watch the Netflix series Mindhunter? She is depicted as Dr. Wendy Carr (and we explain why). Dr. Burgess also has a fascinating 3-part documentary, Mastermind: To Think Like a Killer, on her work that is a must watch on Hulu. If you wanted further proof that nurses have engaged with all aspects of life and death, this episode will make the case.For further information, visit Nursingthenation.substack.com

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    S1.E28 MOCHA REDUX: MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 5.2: The Misrepresentation of Gender Affirming Care

    In the final installment of our MOCHA REDUX series, Jamie and Melissa Anne break down one of the most contentious sections of the MAHA report: gender-affirming care. This episode explores how the Trump administration and MAHA frame gender-affirming care as “child chemical and surgical mutilation”. This is a phrase echoed in a 2025 CMS press release that warned hospitals about “irreversible” interventions for gender dysphoria. We provide an update to this section of the MAHA report in light of their MAHA Strategy report released in September 2025, and reiterate that this rhetoric misrepresents transgender healthcare and ignores both medical and nursing guidelines and clinical realities.For more information, visit Nursingthenation.substack.com

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    S1.E27 MOCHA REDUX: MAHA and Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 5.1: Rx Overload?

    In this episode, Jamie and Melissa Anne revisit MAHA's claim that American children are dangerously overmedicalized. While acknowledging real problems like antibiotic overuse and chronic illness, we argue that the MAHA report manipulates data and misses the bigger picture. We debunk misleading claims about ear tube surgeries, ADHD treatment, and psychiatric medication use in children and adolescents, and call out how evidence is selectively used to fit an ideological narrative.Ultimately, Jamie and Melissa Anne emphasize that improving children’s health requires more than cutting prescriptions or regulating drug ads. It all comes back to social determinants of health like addressing housing, food access, insurance barriers, and other inequities. We also highlight what’s missing from MAHA’s plan: any mention of the leading causes of child death in the U.S., like firearms and motor vehicle accidents. This episode urges listeners to look beyond oversimplified solutions and engage in real, evidence-based dialogue about what children need to thrive.Remember to take a look at our companion Substack notes on this updated episode. Nursingthenation.substack.com

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    S1.E26 Soapbox Saturday: Blessed Are the Vaccinated

    Today's Soapbox, Jamie talks about one of the most misunderstood issues in public health: vaccine exemptions. With vaccination rates slipping below herd-immunity thresholds in several states, and outbreaks making a comeback, we break down what religious, medical, and philosophical exemptions actually mean, and why the “religious objection” argument doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.Despite rising claims of faith-based exemptions, major religious authorities across the world, including the Vatican, leading Jewish organizations, Islamic juristic bodies, and the Dalai Lama, all support vaccination as a moral responsibility that protects life and community. So where is the resistance coming from?Jamie goes deeper, sharing her own early-2000s brush with vaccine skepticism, the impact of misinformation, and what she learned as a CDC public health nurse during the COVID-19 pandemic. We also look at how state laws shape vaccination rates and how nurses end up stuck in the middle of a highly politicized debate.Most importantly: how do we talk about vaccines in ways that actually reach people? How do we respond to concerns without pushing families further away? And what happens when national leaders use their platforms to undermine trust in science?Join the conversation on our Substack: Nursingthenation.substack.com

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    S1.E25 MOCHA REDUX: MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 4: American kids are overvaxxed?

    In this episode, we revisit the MOCHA report and unpack major updates in the U.S. vaccine landscape. Since July, ACIP has begun implementing MAHA’s “risk-benefit recalibration” of the childhood vaccine schedule, while a growing national lawsuit argues the administration is violating federal public-health mandates. Several states warn these changes could destabilize school-entry vaccine laws and access to care. Jamie and Melissa Anne also break down early insurance shifts, rising vaccine misinformation, and the growing patchwork of state-by-state immunization policies. Nurses and major medical organizations are speaking out and we’re here to explain what it all means for families and children’s health.Make sure to head to Nursingthenation.substack.com for more information.

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    S1.E24 MOCHA REDUX: MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 3: Lack of Activity & Chronic Stress

    On September 9, 2025, the MAHA commission released their strategic plan as the expected follow up for their initial report Make Our Children Healthy Again back in May of this year. Today, Jamie reminds us that much like the MOCHA report, the MAHA strategy is full of plans that contradict each other when examined under a nursing lens.Whether you want to review the topic with our experienced nurse perspective or if you are new to us and want to catch up to speed- we hope you will find our REDUX MOCHA series informative. Further information and resources can be found at Nursingthenation.substack.com

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    S1.E23 MOCHA REDUX- MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 2: Food dyes, pesticides, and forever chemicals

    On September 9, 2025 the MAHA commission released their strategic plan as the expected follow up for their initial report Make Our Children Healthy Again back in May of this year. Jamie provides a short intro of this episode's topic in light of the strategic plan and the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Jamie and Melissa Anne are working on the nursing analysis of this strategic plan and will have an episode covering this in the near future.  In the meantime, we thought it would be a great opportunity for us to revisit the series that launched our podcast in the summer of 2025.  Whether you want to review the topic with our experienced nurse perspective or if you are new to us and want to catch up to speed- we hope you will find our REDUX MOCHA series informative.Visit our Substack at Nursingthenation.substack.com.

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    S1.E22 MOCHA REDUX- Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 1: Ultra Processed Foods

    On September 9, 2025 the MAHA commission released their strategic plan as the expected follow up for their initial report Make Our Children Healthy Again back in May of this year. Jamie and Melissa Anne are working on the nursing analysis of this strategic plan and will have an episode covering this in the near future.  In the meantime, we thought it would be a great opportunity for us to revisit the series that launched our podcast in the summer of 2025.  Whether you want to review the topic with our experienced nurse perspective or if you are new to us and want to catch up to speed- we hope you will find our REDUX MOCHA series informative.Visit our Substack at Nursingthenation.substack.com.

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    S1.E21 What is Happening in Gaza is a Public Health Crisis

    In this episode, Jamie and Melissa Anne speak with nurse scholar Dr. Donna Perry about the war in Gaza, the resulting famine, and why we must view war as a public health crisis. Dr. Perry shares her peace work with Israelis and Palestinians, reframes the conflict through human dignity, and offers ways everyone can advocate for nonviolence and solidarity.For more information and resources, check out Nursingthenation.substack.com

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    S1.E20 Tylenol and Autism, Part 2: The Bigger Picture of Misinformation & Medical Misogyny

    In this episode, Jamie and Melissa Anne look beyond the Tylenol–autism headlines to explore how autism is framed in society, from “cure” narratives to the neurodiversity movement. They unpack RFK Jr.’s rhetoric, the history of medical misogyny, and why autistic voices and women’s autonomy must be at the center of the conversation.For more information, please visit Nursingthenation.substack.com

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    S1.E19 Soapbox Saturday- Gold Standard Science

    RFK Jr. loves to tout “gold standard science,” but his definition twists real research into dangerous rhetoric. From Jonas Salk’s polio trial to today’s vaccines, true gold-standard studies have already saved millions of lives. Now, political power is being used to dismantle that legacy. It’s up to us to push back.Head over to nursingthenation.substack.com for more info, resources, and more.

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    S1.E18 Why Correlation ≠ Causation: The Truth About Tylenol and Autism, Part 1

    In this episode of Nursing the Nation, Jamie and Melissa Anne break down the recent claims about Tylenol use in pregnancy and autism. They explore the history of acetaminophen, the evolution of autism research, and why the difference between correlation and causation matters. The hosts unpack how misleading headlines spread misinformation, highlight the strongest science we have to date, and share why Tylenol remains the safest option for fever and pain in pregnancy. This is part 1 of a two-part series.For more information, visit Nursingthenation.substack.com

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    S1.E17 Shout Out Saturday: Carla Leblanc

    This week, we’re spotlighting a nurse who lived out the ANA Nursing Code of Ethics in the most courageous way possible. Carla LeBlanc, a former nurse at Saint Vincent Hospital in Worcester, was fired after speaking publicly about unsafe staffing and its devastating impact on patients—including preventable deaths.Read more at Nursingthenation.substack.com.

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    S1.E16 Why SSRI use in pregnancy does NOT require a black box warning

    The FDA is considering a black box warning on antidepressant use in pregnancy, sparking fierce debate across women’s health and psychiatry. Jamie and Melissa unpack what a black box warning means, the science behind SSRIs in pregnancy, and the dangers of untreated perinatal mental illness, including suicide, the leading cause of postpartum death. With personal reflections, nursing perspectives, and evidence from the latest research, this episode tackles stigma, misinformation, and why healthy moms mean healthy babies.Head over to our Substack (nursingthenation.substack.com) for detailed show notes and resources.

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    S1.E15 Gun Violence is a Public Health Crisis in the US

    Gun violence is now the leading cause of death for children and teens in the U.S. In this episode, Jamie and Melissa Anne examine the devastating impact of shootings on families and communities, share the data behind this uniquely American crisis, and outline common-sense reforms that can save lives.Visit our Nursingthenation.substack.com for more info and resources.

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    Comps Week Break

    This week Melissa is taking the comprehensive exams to move on to the dissertation phase of her nursing PhD education, so we are on a brief break! But we still want to hear from you- our email is [email protected] and visit us at Nursingthenation.substack.com.See you all next week!

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    S1.E14- Soapbox Saturday: Bogus Bootstraps

    Soapbox Saturday is a segment of Nursing the Nation where either Jamie or Melissa Anne step up on their figurative soapbox and talk about something they feel strongly about. Today's Soapbox is all about social determinants of health: the economic, environmental, and social conditions that shape our well-being long before we step into a doctor’s office or hospital. Jamie challenges the narratives we've been fed as part of American grit and resilience and instead asks listeners to look upstream for the systemic causes of why some people never reach their full health potentials.For more on this topic, visit our Substack at nursingthenation.substack.com.

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    S1.E13 Political Threats to Women’s Health in the United States: A Discussion with Heidi Collins Fantasia, PhD, RN, WHNP-BC, FNAP, FAAN

    In this episode of Nursing the Nation, Jamie and Melissa Anne sit down with Dr. Heidi Collins Fantasia to unpack how recent federal policies are threatening women’s health. From scrubbing women’s health content off government websites to cutting research funding and dismantling DEI programs, Dr. Fantasia explains the far-reaching consequences for women, families, and the future of nursing science.Dr. Heidi Collins Fantasia is a nurse with her PhD and a professor and department chair in the Solomont School of Nursing, Zuckerberg College of Health Sciences at the University of Massachusetts Lowell. She is a board-certified women’s health nurse practitioner with more than 30 years of experience providing women’s health care in public and private settings. Her research interests include the intersection of violence and reproductive health, including physical and sexual violence and human trafficking. She has numerous publications and presentations related to women’s health issues including sexual risk behaviors, sexually transmitted infections, and intimate partner violence. Dr. Fantasia is a Fellow in the American Academy of Nursing and a Distinguished Practitioner and Fellow in the National Academies of Practice. Dr. Fantasia is also the editor for the journal "Nursing for Women’s Health" and the lead editor and author for "Protocols for Nurse Practitioners in Gynecologic Settings."

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    S1.E12- Why We Started Nursing the Nation

    In this episode of Nursing the Nation, co-hosts Jamie Bourgeois and Melissa Anne DuBois share their personal journeys into nursing and why they launched a podcast at the intersection of nursing, policy, and current events. From psych nursing to perinatal care, they reveal how nursing is far more than bedside work; it’s advocacy, holistic care, and a political force shaping everyday life.Make sure to check out Nursingthenation.substack.com and join the conversation!

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    S1.E11- Shout Out Saturday: Amanda Trebach

    Today we’re launching Shout Out Saturday, a segment dedicated to celebrating nurses who live out the ethical core of nursing. This is a space to spotlight a fellow nurse who is truly living out the Nursing Code of Ethics. These are the nurses who remind us that our work doesn’t end at the bedside because nursing is also about advocacy, equity, and making an impact on the communities we serve. Our listeners know that Melissa Anne and Jamie are passionate about ensuring that every person has the opportunity to live a healthy, fulfilling life and to reach their best possible self. But we also know the realities: nursing is demanding, both physically and emotionally. That’s why when a nurse goes above and beyond, such as championing social justice, advancing equity, and embodying the values of our profession, we want to lift them up and give them the recognition they deserve.The inaugural Shout Out goes to Amanda Trebach. Amanda is an ICU nurse in California who recently was held for 36 hours by federal agents for engaging in the protected right to protest government actions and treatment of detained individuals without due process. If you would like us to shout out a nurse holding up the ethical tenets of the profession, please let us know by contacting us at [email protected] or message us through nursingthenation.substack.com.

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    S1.E10- Why Medicare Cuts Matter to Everyone: Breaking Down the One Big Beautiful Bill Act

    Jamie and Melissa Anne take on the Medicare changes in The One Big Beautiful Bill (OBBBA), signed into law by President Trump on July 4, 2025. OBBBA makes significant (although less extensive than Medicaid) changes to Medicare that could still have major impacts on seniors and people with disabilities. While core benefits remain intact for those who still qualify, the law tightens eligibility for legal immigrants, excluding many who have paid into the system but lack green cards. It halts planned reforms that would have streamlined enrollment for low-income assistance programs, potentially leaving 1.4 million seniors without help paying premiums or co-pays. OBBBA also triggers up to 4% annual Medicare provider payment cuts starting in FY2026 under PAYGO rules, which may lead some clinicians and hospitals, especially in rural areas, to limit Medicare patients or close services. Indirectly, massive Medicaid cuts will harm dual-eligible citizens who rely on Medicaid to cover out-of-pocket Medicare costs and long-term care. The bill also expands exemptions in Medicare’s prescription drug price negotiation program, reducing the number of drugs subject to negotiation and likely keeping premiums and co-pays higher. While supporters say the law strengthens Medicare’s finances and targets waste, critics argue it erodes access, affordability, and fairness, disproportionately harming vulnerable populations like low-income seniors, rural residents, and legal immigrants who have worked and paid taxes for decades. Head over to our Substack for detailed show notes and resources.

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    S1.E9- Why Medicaid Cuts Matter to Everyone

    This week, we unpack the sweeping new law formerly known as the One Big Beautiful Bill—now signed into law by President Trump. While it promises tax breaks and rural relief, it delivers historic Medicaid cuts, stricter eligibility requirements, and new barriers to care that could leave 12 million Americans uninsured. Jamie and Melissa Anne break down what this means for nurses, patients, and entire communities—arguing that these changes will harm everyone, not just those on public assistance. Spoiler: taking away healthcare isn’t a savings plan—it’s a public health crisis in the making.Full show notes, suggested reading, and resources available on Nursing the Nation's Substack.

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    S1.E8- Soapbox Saturday: Why Nurses Are Political

    Soapbox Saturday is segment of Nursing the Nation where Jamie or Melissa Anne step up on their figurative soapbox and talk about something they feel strongly about. In today's Soapbox, Jamie explains why nurses are political, and why you should, too. This means a commitment to civic engagement for just and equitable health policy at local, national, and global levels.Nursing the Nation a podcast where we dissect today's headlines through the uniquely insightful lens of the nurse. Join your hosts, Jamie & Melissa Anne, as they use their nursing expertise to navigate the complexities of national events, offering perspectives rooted in holism, advocacy, and nursing science. Beyond the medical jargon and political noise, they’ll explore the human element of current affairs, providing a grounded and compassionate understanding of the issues that impact us all. Because when it comes to understanding the pulse of our society, who better to ask than the most trusted profession?

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    MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 5.2: The misrepresentation of gender-affirming care

    In the second half of our series finale, Jamie and Melissa Anne take on one of the most inflammatory claims in the MAHA commission’s MOCHA report: that gender-affirming care is “child chemical and surgical mutilation.” We unpack how this rhetoric misrepresents transgender healthcare and ignores both medical guidelines and clinical realities.We explore the 2024 HHS review of transgender youth care—heavily criticized by the AAP for excluding experts and endorsing discredited “exploratory therapy”—and reveal surprising ties between the report's cited sources and hate groups like Genspect. Jamie shares her clinical experiences supporting trans youth, including a powerful story of improved mental health following gender-affirming surgery and reduced antidepressant use.We also tackle the MOCHA report’s broader attack on mental health care, including its embrace of Abigail Shrier’s Bad Therapy, which criticizes trauma-informed care and emotional literacy. Melissa Anne highlights the flawed logic behind the report’s anti-therapy stance and its romanticized ideas like RFK Jr.'s “healing camps.”To close, we reflect on the report’s dangerous omissions, especially its complete silence on maternal, newborn, and infant feeding health. Melissa calls out the myth that America was ever truly “healthy.” If we want to raise a healthier generation, it won’t be through fear-mongering and misinformation, but through compassionate, evidence-informed care for all children and families.Full show notes on our Substack.

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    MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 5.1: Rx Overload?

    In the (almost) final episode of Decoding “Make Our Children Healthy Again”: What Nurses Want You to Know, co-hosts Jamie and Melissa Anne examine one of the MAHA commission’s most controversial claims: that American pediatric care is dangerously overmedicalized. The MOCHA report criticizes the use of medications, surgeries, and even routine lab tests in children as examples of systemic overtreatment.Jamie and Melissa Anne acknowledge valid concerns (like the overuse of antibiotics) but argue that the report distorts data and omits essential context. For instance, the claim that ear tube surgery is harmful is based on a misinterpretation of a NEJM study, which actually showed comparable outcomes between surgical and antibiotic treatment, both with parental consent. Similarly, the report selectively uses psychiatric research to suggest medications are unsafe, ignoring evidence that supports their use—especially for fluoxetine, escitalopram, and methylphenidate.The episode also debunks the idea that children born later in the school year are being recklessly overdiagnosed. Jamie notes that the research cited actually calls for improved educational and clinical responses, not fewer diagnoses or less treatment.The hosts further critique the MOCHA report’s misuse of international studies and flawed logic. One example includes a 2017 study linking mental illness to single-parent homes, while overlooking stronger evidence from World Psychiatry (2024) emphasizing broader social determinants.Ultimately, Jamie and Melissa Anne advocate for evidence-based, individualized pediatric care rooted in shared decision-making. They caution against oversimplified narratives and stress the importance of nuanced, transparent dialogue when public health messaging targets children. Originally intended as the series finale, this episode became a necessary deep dive to correct widespread misrepresentations in the MOCHA report.Full show notes and suggested reading available on Nursing the Nation's Substack.

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    MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 4: American kids are overvaxxed?

    In this episode, Jamie and Melissa Anne tackle the fourth major claim in the MAHA Commission’s MOCHA report: that American pediatric care is overmedicalized, with too many vaccines. While the original plan was to explore the broader claim about overuse of medications and mental health care, the complexity of vaccine misinformation—especially from RFK Jr.—warranted a dedicated episode.The hosts break down the MOCHA report’s critique of the U.S. childhood vaccine schedule, which calls for more clinical trials using true placebos, larger sample sizes, and longer follow-up periods. It also suggests the U.S. gives more vaccines than necessary, especially compared to European countries, echoing nostalgia-driven arguments like “it wasn’t like this when I was a kid.”They highlight RFK Jr.’s controversial decision to fire all 17 members of the CDC’s ACIP and replace them with individuals lacking vaccine or infectious disease expertise—many with ties to anti-vaccine activism—as a deeply troubling move.Jamie and Melissa Anne firmly assert that vaccines are safe, effective, and thoroughly tested, with ongoing surveillance through systems like VAERS and VSD. They acknowledge that public health communication missteps, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the dismissive labeling of concerned patients as “anti-vax” may have worsened vaccine hesitancy.The episode ends with a strong rejection of the MAHA report’s insinuations that vaccines are linked to chronic illnesses like autism or autoimmune conditions—claims soundly disproven by decades of global research.Full show notes and suggested reading can be found on our Substack.

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    MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 3: Lack of activity & chronic stress

    Today we are tackling Part 3 of our Series MAHA and Make Our Children Healthy Again: What Nurses Want You to Know. In the last two episodes we discussed the history of the MOCHA report and its take on topics such as diet and ultra-processed foods and chemicals in our food and environments. Today we we get into the nuances of part 3 of the report on children's decreased physical activity, chronic stress, rise in mental health diagnosis, and increase in screen time.We encourage you to listen to those episodes first if you haven’t already. Full show notes and suggested reading can be found on our Substack.

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    MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 2: Food dyes, pesticides, and forever chemicals

    In part two in the series on the MAHA report, Jamie and Melissa Anne continue their critical look at the “Make Our Children Healthy Again” (MOCHA) report from a nursing perspective. This time they dive into its second major claim: the dangers of cumulative chemical exposure from food additives, pesticides, microplastics, and more.Jamie and Melissa Anne break down what the science really says about food chemicals and children’s health, explore why low-income families are often hit hardest, and push back on the report’s cherry-picked and often misleading research. From the politics of pesticide regulation to why you can’t gut research funding and still demand better evidence, we connect the dots between science, policy, and public health.This discussion also challenges listeners to think bigger: about food equity, fossil fuels, and what it truly means to protect our children’s future.

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    MAHA & Make Our Children Healthy Again, Part 1: Ultra-processed foods & kids' health

    Make America Healthy Again, or MAHA, is a movement largely associated with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., as the Secretary of Health and Human Services. It's positioned as a response to what he describes as a chronic disease epidemic in the United States. On February 13, 2025, President Donald Trump issued an executive order establishing the MAHA commission, chaired by RFK Jr. On May 22nd, they released the “Make Our Children Healthy Again” assessment report which they plan to follow with a strategy plan by August 2025. Jamie and Melissa Anne discuss part one of the report on ultra-processed foods and kids health in the United States. From their nursing perspective, they explore how health policy and other factors may impact how this might be addressed moving forward while considering the problems from a humanistic perspective.

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    Welcome to Nursing the Nation!

    Welcome to "Nursing the Nation," a podcast where we dissect today's headlines through the uniquely insightful lens of the nurse. Join your hosts, Jamie & Melissa Anne, as they use their nursing expertise to navigate the complexities of national events, offering perspectives rooted in holism, advocacy, and nursing science. Beyond the medical jargon and political noise, they’ll explore the human element of current affairs, providing a grounded and compassionate understanding of the issues that impact us all. Because when it comes to understanding the pulse of our society, who better to ask than the most trusted profession?Episode 1 provides an introduction to Jamie and Melissa Anne, two experienced nurses and nursing PhD students, and a preview of the different topics they will cover. This is a show for everyone but does not dispense any medical or nursing advice.

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Nursing the Nation is a podcast where we dissect today's headlines through the uniquely insightful lens of the nurse. Join hosts, Jamie & Melissa Anne, as they use their nursing expertise to navigate the complexities of national events, offering perspectives rooted in holism, advocacy, and nursing science. Beyond the medical jargon and political noise, they’ll explore the human element of current affairs, providing a grounded and compassionate understanding of the issues that impact us all. Because when it comes to understanding the pulse of our society, who better to ask than the most trusted profession?

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Jamie Bourgeois & Melissa Anne Dubois

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