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OIG Roundtable (Formerly Retro Fraud)
by Eric Rubenstein
Former HHS-OIG Senior Special Agent Eric Rubenstein discusses historical fraud cases that either he or others investigated and how the "circus does not change, only the clowns do." In these podcasts, Eric and his guest discuss how the facts of the case have significance to today’s fraud schemes.
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Episode 190: Identity Theft and healthcare Fraud: Top of Mind
Eric and Matt discuss a recent case where an individual engaged in identity theft and sought healthcare benefits under the stolen identity. This case is notable as the dollar amount was fairly low in comparison to other healthcare fraud matters, but demonstrates the aggressive approach the US Attorney’s Office is taken to curb FWA.
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Episode 189: The Pig and the Python. How does an economic discussion for baby boomers relate to SIU operations
Eric and Matt discuss the Pig and the Python and how the influx of baby boomers will have an effect on SIU operations and staffing needs.
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Episode 188: How a Kentucky Indictment Should be a Roadmap for Stop and Verify
Eric and Wade discuss a recent indictment of a medical biller who engaged in a 6-year system Medicaid fraud scheme which included false billing for behavioral health providers, billing for deceased patients, incarcerated patients and patients that were under hospital care.
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Episode 187: Incident To and the Ability to Think Logically
Eric, Matt and Wade discuss the often overlooked need to capture the right documents in an Incident To investigation. Catch phrases in requests for documents such as “including, but not limited to” can create confusion for providers. Get what you need the first time with some of our advice.
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Episode 186: The Stickiness of OIG Exclusions
Eric and Matt discuss a recent $46m global resolution involving the cornucopia of kickbacks: lavish gifts, cash and prizes. The pharmaceutical manufacturer resolved the matter and was not excluded. Like winning the Showcase Showdown, and getting a 4 day, 3 night stat at the NY Algonquin Hotel, sometimes fraud does pay.
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Episode 185: The UPICS are Coming, the UPICS are Coming
Eric, Wade and Matt discuss recent work being done by UPICS as it relates to plans and audits being conducted by the UPICS of plans. This is bit of a shift from what we know the UPICS to do, but is not uncommon.
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Episode 184: Top Seminal Moments in Healthcare Payment Integrity
Eric and matt discuss some of the top moments in history that changed or affected the healthcare payer and payment industry. While this is only the tip of the iceberg on this topic, we look forward to keeping this discussion moving along.
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Episode 183: Credentialling and Continuity from Plans and PBMs
Eric and Matt discuss a recent case out of the District of NJ, where a pharmacist and a pharmacy technician were involved in a broad fraud scheme that included falsifying documents in response to an audit, as well as billing for medications for the pharmacist and technician that were never dispensed and billed to their respective insurance.
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Episode 182: Did the OIG Really Have a 12:1 ROI and Really Collect over $5 Billion?
Eric, Matt and special guest Dave Beachler discuss ROI from the government and the commercial plan space. ROI can be tricky and there may be some intangible factors to consider.
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Episode 181: Credentialling is Top of Mind
Eric and Matt discuss recent developments in the MFCU space where at least two MFCUs were defunded by HHS. Credentialling of providers is top of mind as this is one of the first steps in ensuring the protection of the Medicaid programs.
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Episode 180: National Roundup
Eric and Matt discuss the most recent roundup, resulting in a large number of arrests, civil complaints, and the growing use of the OCIG CMP authorities to effect behavior change in the healthcare ecosystem.
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Episode 179: When the kickbacks are Off the Beaten Path
Eric and Matt discuss a $30 million settlement that was predicted on several Qui Tams that were filed against a pathology lab for misrepresenting services, services not rendered and the payment of kickbacks in return for the samples to be sent.
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Episode 178: Does the Punishment Fit the Crime?
Eric, Wade and Matt discuss a recent sentencing where the provider was sentenced to five years of probation for a $1m fraud scheme. Does that “take the wind out of the sails” of an investigator? How do you level set expectations with the C-Suite?
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Episode 177: A cornucopia of FWA at a local pharmacy
Eric and Matt discuss a recent default judgement case where a Nebraska based pharmacy defaulted on a civil matter, resulting in over $3m in the judgement. Everything that you know about pharmacy FWA was part of the fraud; generic substitution, billing for unfilled prescriptions, failures in inventory, you name it.
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Episode 176: $6 million for one beneficiary for skin grafts; that is a lot of skin
Eric and Matt discuss a recent case that was data driven. Over $46m in claims in a 7-month period, with all metrics being outside of the curve for the provider. Data is beginning to work properly in the FWA space.
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Episode 175: The SMP is a Collaborative Team
Eric and Wade welcome Jean Stone to the OIG Roundtable. Jean, a fixture in Medicare and healthcare fraud, having spent 46 years with CMS in the FWA space. Jean is a force when it comes to FWA and her current work with SMP is extremely valuable.
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Episode 174: Ambiguity in Policy? Shocking
Eric and Wade discuss a recent OIG study where ambiguity and confusion in understanding polices and billing guidance led to millions in inaccurate payments. This is not novel, and ambiguity and confusion have been the mantra for a lifetime.
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Episode 173: Do you Dress for the Job You Have or the One You Want
Eric, Wade and Matt discuss the importance, or disregard for various certifications in the healthcare fraud, waste and abuse space. Whether it be a CFE, AHFI, CPC, CMPA or the alphabet soup of certifications and designations, plans and the industry look at these certifications very differently.
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Episode 172: Same Circus and Different Clowns (again)
Eric and Matt talk about the $552 million genetic testing fraud case out of the West Coast. It seems like we are just hitting the repeat button on cases. Telemarketing, health fairs, door-to-door, all the usual playbook things for these frauds. Telling people they need to get the DNA swab for genetic tests (which run upwards of $10,000 in some cases) is how you make a lot of money quickly.
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Episode 171: Kickbacks Disguised as a legitimate Payment is Still a Kickback
Eric, Matt and Wade discuss a recent press release out of Eastern District of NY where a pharmacy owner paid kickbacks to referring doctors for medically unnecessary prescriptions and masked the payments as rental agreements or salaries for the prescribing doctor’s staff. While these cases can be difficult to investigate from the SIU perspective, there are some key data points that can be relied upon to get the investigation moving forward.
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Episode 170: Career Advice and Hiring into the Government and SIUs
Eric and Wade have a frank conversation about the different paths to obtaining a position in the federal government or working towards a role in an SIU. We focus on internships, different paths for hiring, the benefits of military service and being patient and tenacious in your efforts.
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Episode 169: Skin Substitutes and Unlicensed Providers
Eric, Wade and Matt discuss a terrible case involving a podiatrist and a sales rep who conspired to have the sales rep perform medical services involving skin substitutes. Wound care often involves the debridement of skin until it bleeds. Unlicensed and potentially untrained individuals should not be performing these services. In the case we discuss, that is exactly what transpired. Is 63 months enough prison time?
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Episode 168: No Honor Amongst Thieves. Brothers in Arms
Eric, Wade and Matt discuss a recent pharmacy fraud case. The fraud went on for five years and resulted in the plea of the owner of the pharmacy, and an indictment of the Pharmacist in Charge (PIC), who turned out to be the brother of the owner. Thanksgiving will definitely be unique.
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Episode 167: When greed overcomes common sense, Hippocratic Oath and patients first
Eric and Matt discuss a recent sentencing of a doctor who took greed to another level. By altering certain CPAP devices, the provider sought to overcome identified issues that resulted in a recall of a particular CPAP. The FDA recall highlighted that use of the particular CPAP could lead to respiratory issues and cancer. The provider, however, ignored this, and sought to remove the offending parts and dispense them to his patients, all the while insurance paid the costs.
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Episode 166: Interns are a Valuable Asset
Eric, Wade and Matt discuss how identifying the next generation of investigators can start with finding the right interns and developing their skills to suit the organization.
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Episode 165: Drug Diversion to Another Level
Matt, Eric and Wade discuss a very concerning public health criminal case involving the diversion of HIV medications, the repackaging of the medications, and mislabeling medications that are needed for life altering diseases.
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Episode 164: Wash, Rinse and Repeat (again and again)
Eric, Wade and Matt discuss a nearly $54m fraud involving, yes, DME, false scripts and kickbacks. While this may be a limiting investigation for an SIU, there are some things you can do with your team and look to make lemonade out of lemons.
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Episode 163: Colorado’s OIG Audit of ABA
Eric and Matt have a follow up discussion on ABA therapy, as a carry over from last week. We discuss an OIG audit of Colorado and the fact they had a 93% error rate on areas involving provider documentation. Documentation lapses can be the most difficult to ascertain at the time of billing, and human intelligence is a key part of the investigative metric.
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Episode 162: ABA Therapy Issues
Eric, Wade and Matt discuss the on going ad evolving ABA frauds. Keeping up with cases, learning the fraud schemes, and ensuring you are a SME in “everything” is a challenge.
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Episode 161: Wash, Rinse and Repeat—Auto-Refill Schemes Keep Popping Up
Eric, Matt and Wade discuss a recent Indictment and Non-Prosecution Agreement (NPA) involving a device manufacturer involved in providing Medicare beneficiaries an inordinate of supplies that are used with a Medicare covered TENS machine.
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Former HHS-OIG Senior Special Agent Eric Rubenstein discusses historical fraud cases that either he or others investigated and how the "circus does not change, only the clowns do." In these podcasts, Eric and his guest discuss how the facts of the case have significance to today’s fraud schemes.
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