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Sandwich Season Sanity
by Ruthie Gray
Welcome to Sandwich Season: Peace, joy, and wisdom for moms who are stretched thin in multigenerational caregiving, juggling parenting, grandparenting, and eldercare. Take charge of reactions, set those oh-so-important boundaries, and find time for new passions and hobbies.
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Top Five Episodes for Multigenerational Caregivers
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Celebrate one year of the Sandwich Season Sanity Podcast with us!!! This episode highlights the top five most-downloaded episodes, shares updates on coaching and upcoming seasons, and offers practical advice for caregivers and parents navigating multigenerational relationships.Resources below are highlighted in this special episode. Please listen and share the podcast, so we can reach more multigenerational caregivers with the message of peace, even in multigenerational mayhem!Resources:Exchanging Expectations of Adult Kids for Peace in Empty Nest ft Jill savageJill’s PodcastJill’s FB GroupBuilding Healthy Connections with Adult Children and In-Laws ft. Suzy MighellSuzy’s bookOvercoming Old Wounds While Caregiving ft. Laura AcuñaStill Becoming Hope, Help, and Healing for the Diet-Weary SoulLisa Serugo’s Trauma TreeCaregiving Special Needs Children and Aging Parents ft. Kelly HallKelly’s podcastKelly’s websitePractical Ways People Pleasers Can Balance Identity and Daily Demands ft. Lori SchumakerLori’s resourcesEnter to win a free coaching package with Ruthie! To enter, fill out this form. Giveaway closes Monday, May 4, at 12:00pm, est. Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Navigating Ideological Differences Across Generations ft. Michelle Rayburn
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Ever felt caught in a struggle between your beliefs and that of your adult children and your aging parents? You're not alone. In this episode, Michelle Rayburn and Ruthie open up about their own struggles and wins in bridging those generational divides with kindness and faith. If you're juggling family differences, craving peace, and seeking practical ways to stay grounded, this conversation will help.Resources:Book: This Reimagined Empty Nest Midlife Repurposed blog and podcastMichelle’s WebsiteBio:Michelle Rayburn is an author and podcaster who blends humor with honesty in the midlife season. She writes Midlife Repurposed on Substack, where she explores wisdom, wonder, and the laugh lines that come with growing older and growing up at the same time. She’s a boy mom, grandmother of six, and lives in the northwoods of Wisconsin.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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A Caregiver’s Guide to Gentle Morning Rituals ft. Jennifer Dukes Lee
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Ever feel like mornings are just too overwhelming to handle? Trust me, I’ve been there. Whether you’re caring for loved ones, managing a busy household, or navigating life's chaos, establishing a morning ritual can be your anchor. In this episode, we explore practical ways to make mornings matter—no matter what season you're in. In this episode, we delve into how the biblical concept of mornings as new beginnings can transform your day. We discuss the four archetypes of morning routines—are you a doer, mover, meditator, or social seeker? Tips for connecting your routine with your unique temperament and season of life are provided, alongside the science behind God-centered thinking and its brain-changing power. Practical ideas for busy caregivers to prioritize self-care through morning rituals are also included. Remember, only you can choose to prioritize your peace each morning—because mornings are for new mercies, and your day is waiting to be transformed.Resources:How to Love Your Morning + Free ResourcesBio:Jennifer Dukes Lee is a bestselling author, speaker, and morning evangelist from Iowa. She is the author of several books, including How to Love Your Morning, Growing Slow, and It’s All Under Control. She lives on a fifth-generation family farm, where she and her husband have made a life of growing crops, pigs, two beautiful humans, and an enduring faith.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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How Caregivers Can Maintain Mental Health ft. Kim Cusimano
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Ever feel like caregiving is wearing you thin? You're not alone—and the good news? You can find moments of joy, hope, and even peace amid the chaos. In this heartfelt episode, Kim shares honest stories and simple strategies that help caregivers like us keep dreaming, connecting, and nurturing ourselves. In this episode:The power of creating a bucket list to nurture hope and joyPractical ways to incorporate small, meaningful activities into daily lifeHow using your home as a supportive space can lift your spiritsThe importance of honest sharing and protecting your peaceSimple ways to manage your feelings and prevent overwhelmEmbracing creativity—painting, writing, gardening—as a form of self-careThe art of being unoffendable and extending grace in caregiving relationshipsRemember, you’re not just surviving—you're creating moments of joy and peace. Take that first small step today. Dream big, protect your peace, and lean into what refreshes your soul. Because, friend, your well-being is just as important as those you care for. You’ve got this—one small act of kindness to yourself at a time.Resources:15 Ways Caregivers Can Protect Their Mental HealthMoments of Grace for TeachersMoments of Grace for MomsThis Reimagined Empty Nest: Stories and Poems for Moms Embracing New ChaptersLife in the Estrogen-Free Zone: Humor and Heartfelt Wisdom from Boy MomsKim's Facebook ProfileKim's Instagram ProfileFull Joy Ministries WebsiteBio:Kim Cusimano is a collaborative author and mother of adults with special needs. Beyond her family, she spends time encouraging others to reach their full potential through hospitality, mentoring, and the arts, weaving in the faith lessons she learns as a wife, mother, and caregiver.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Practical and Spiritual Lessons From Caregiving and Parent-loss ft. Lois Flowers
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Sometimes life throws a curveball when you least expect it. This episode is a heartfelt conversation about resilience, faith, and finding peace amid chaos—like Lois Flowers’ story of surviving a traumatic brain injury or navigating her parents' last years without fear. We discuss:How fear influences caregiving and the importance of trusting God's planPractical tips for capturing memories with loved onesThe power of scripture, especially Psalm 139 and Deuteronomy 31:8, during difficult seasonsLearning to surrender and find peace in God's sovereigntyEncouragement for those walking through unexpected health crises or lossResources:Free 7-day devotional called Faith, Fear, and the God Who Goes Before UsBlog: https://www.loisflowers.com/Parent Loss page: https://www.loisflowers.com/help-for-parent-loss/Bio:Lois Flowers is a book editor, blogger and lifelong Midwesterner who values authenticity. She’s a wife of 31 years, mom of two young adult women, sixth of seven siblings and daughter of two parents in heaven.The tagline of Lois’s blog is “Strength for Today, Hope for Tomorrow.” and she writes—one pilgrim to another—to encourage us all as we navigate the long walk home together.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Rediscovering Your Calling in the Sandwich Season ft. Lori Melton
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this conversation, Lori G. Melton discusses the challenges and opportunities of rediscovering personal callings during the sandwich season of life, where individuals often juggle caregiving responsibilities for both children and aging parents. She emphasizes the importance of self-care, journaling, and the practice of journeying with spiritual giants to gain insights and courage in pursuing one's purpose. The discussion highlights the significance of recognizing one's own growth and identity amidst the demands of family life, and how learning from historical figures can provide guidance and inspiration.Resources:Lori’s website: www.lorigmelton.com, Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lori.meltonInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/lori.gmelton/Journey with a Giant Sneak Peek (Introduction and Chapter 1) & The Transformational Ten Spiritual Giant QuizBio:Lori Melton is an author, spiritual director, and retreat leader. She and her husband, Bryan, are the creators of the Sanctuary Stirrings Podcast and the founders and directors of The Sanctuary at Bear Creek Retreat Center, serving hundreds of people a year. She also has six children and 3 grandchildren AND is the newly published author of the brand new book, Journey With A Giant. her story of writing Journey with a Giant — after homeschooling six children, supporting your husband’s work, and then stepping into a new season as a spiritual director, retreat leader, and author — illustrates that it’s never too late to become who God is calling you to be.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Small Habit Shifts for Emotional Eating and Self Care ft. Brandice Lardner
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode, I am joined by friend Brandice Lardner, a certified personal trainer, nutrition coach, and Amazon bestselling author of "Fully Nourished: A Grace-Filled Approach to Ditch Diets and Find Peace with Food and Your Body”. Together, we discuss the challenges women face around food, perfectionism, and self-care, especially during busy caregiving seasons. Brandice unpacks her grace-filled approach to ditching diet mentalities, encouraging listeners to shift away from all-or-nothing thinking and embrace sustainable, realistic habits that honor both body and spirit.Listeners will hear practical strategies for marrying their food wants with wisdom, inviting God into everyday food choices, and cultivating gratitude for their bodies. Brandice shares how even small, mindful changes can transform your relationship with food and foster peace—no matter how hectic life gets. The conversation is full of real-life examples, faith-based encouragement, and actionable tips for anyone seeking to break free from diet cycles and find true nourishment, both inside and out.Resources:Book: https://gracefilledplate.com/bookWebsite: https://gracefilledplate.comBio:Brandice Lardner is a Certified Personal Trainer, Nutrition Coach, Amazon #1 Best Selling Author, and Jesus Girl whose mission in life is to help women ditch the diet mentality and find peace with food and their bodies so that they are better equipped to do the great things God has called them to do. And, she is the author of the new book, “Fully Nourished: A Grace-Filled Approach to Ditch Diets and Find Peace with Food and Your Body”.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Overcoming Old Wounds While Caregiving ft. Laura Acuña
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity podcast, I am welcoming back my friend, Laura Acuña, for her deep insight into caregiving and personal healing. Laura shares in-depth about her own journey of emotional recovery through caregiving. We explore practical strategies for self-care, share the importance of therapy and spiritual support, and highlight key resources—including Laura’s book, "Still Becoming," and recommendations for navigating trauma and family transitions. With real-life wisdom and touching personal stories, this episode encourages listeners to embrace healing for themselves and future generations, reminding every woman that her journey is sacred and transformative.Resources:Laura’s book: Still BecomingLaura’s websiteEpisode with Lisa Saruga: Identifying and Managing Caregiver Trauma ft. Lisa SarugaLisa Saruga’s book: The Trauma TreeRuthie’s book: Empty Nest AwakeningBio:Laura Acuña is a speaker, author, podcast host, and Certified Professional Christian Life Coach. She’s the founder of Laura Acuña Ministries and host of The Still Becoming Podcast.Known for her honesty, warmth, and humor, Laura shares biblical truth and real-life wisdom to help women grow in emotional and spiritual health. She’s the author of the 31-day devotional Still Becoming: Hope, Help, and Healing for the Diet-Weary Soul.Laura’s journey reflects God’s love, grace, and healing. Embracing her “work-in-progress” nature—quirks and all—she testifies that God has transformed her struggles into a source of freedom and joy. Married for 42 years to her sweetheart, Pat, she’s the proud mom of three grown sons, a beloved daughter-in-love, and one precious 4-year-old granddaughter who calls her Nonie.When she’s not ministering, Laura loves time with family, traveling, exploring vintage shops, and sharing coffee with a friend.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Exchanging Expectations of Adult Kids for Peace in Empty Nest ft. Jill Savage
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity podcast, Ruthie sits down with relationship expert and author Jill Savage to discuss the delicate balance of parenting adult children during the empty nest years and how to become “unoffendable”. Jill shares candid insights from her own life, including relatable stories about unreturned texts and learning not to take delayed responses personally. Together, they explore why many parents feel anxious or rejected by their grown kids' independence, touching on anxious and avoidant attachment styles and how these styles shape our expectations and emotional responses.Listeners will walk away with practical wisdom on fostering healthy relationships with adult children, letting go of unrealistic expectations, and finding personal peace rooted in faith rather than in others' validation. Jill offers guidance on addressing past parenting guilt, embracing opportunities for personal growth, and building emotional security in this new stage of life. Tune in for encouragement and actionable steps to truly prioritize your peace while navigating the challenges and joys of the empty nest and sandwich seasons.Resources:Jill’s websiteEmpty Nest, Full LifeRuthie’s Newsletter & Private PodcastBio:Jill Savage is an author and speaker who is passionate about relationships. She hosts the No More Perfect Podcast, and some of her book titles include Empty Nest, Full Life, the best-selling No More Perfect Moms, No More Perfect Kids, and No More Perfect Marriages. Jill and her husband, Mark, serve as Christian marriage coaches. They live in Normal, Illinois and have five children and seven grandchildren.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Fun and Meaningful Ways to Celebrate Christmas in Empty Nest Ft. Jim Gray
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity podcast, I’m joined by my husband of 38 years, Jim Gray, for his input on the holidays as empty nesters. We’re talking about our unique lifestyle, splitting time between homes in West Virginia and Florida, and how this has shaped our holiday traditions. We’ll discuss home remodels, creative solutions for celebrating with kids and grandkids across states, and the importance of embracing flexibility as our family dynamics evolve.And don’t miss our memorable Christmas miracle—a decades-long answered prayer that restored lost wedding memories and reminded us of the power of faith and hope during the season. With a thoughtful blend of family stories, practical tips for honoring new traditions, and genuine encouragement, this episode offers a relatable and uplifting perspective for anyone seeking peace and connection during the holidays.Resources:Couples United: Tackling Holiday People-Pleasing Together ft. Billie JaussHoliday Adaptability for Moms of Adult Kids ft. Pamela HenkelmanVisit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Couples United: Tackling Holiday People-Pleasing Together ft. Billie Jauss
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode, I’m sitting down with my guest, Billie Jauss, an international speaker, author, and podcast host known as the "What's Next Coach." We talk through the challenges couples face during the holidays—especially around maintaining a united front and setting boundaries amidst family expectations. Billie reveals her journey as a "recovering people pleaser" and offers actionable advice for couples looking to prioritize peace and connection, even if it means disappointing others.Listeners will walk away with practical strategies for communicating holiday decisions, advice for resisting unhealthy people-pleasing, and a reminder to focus on building a strong foundation in marriage. Whether you're wrestling with family traditions or navigating new seasons as your children grow, this episode offers empathy, wisdom, and encouragement to help you protect your peace and honor your relationships through every holiday season.Resources:{Free} Ebook: What’s Next Game Plan: 7 Steps to Move From Lost in Change to Living With PurposeListen to The Family Room PodcastBillie’s Website: www.billiejauss.comBillie’s Bio:Billie Jauss is an international speaker, author, and podcast host, known as the “What's Next Coach?” Helping Women Trade Inner Chaos for peace, purpose, and powerful connections, empowering them to step confidently into what’s next.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Finding Time for Friendships Amidst Caregiver Overwhelm ft. Sue Donaldson
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity podcast, Sue Donaldson, a speaker, author, and expert on hospitality opens up about the realities of loneliness faced during the "sandwich season"—the time in life when women care for both aging parents and growing children. Sue also shares wisdom from her new book, "Never Alone: Stories of Invitation and Connection," offering practical advice on building genuine community, finding mentorship, and bringing organic support into everyday life. Discover meaningful strategies for balancing busy caregiving demands with self-care and intentional relationships while learning creative ways to foster community, even with limited time or space, and how to listen to the Holy Spirit when extending hospitality. Check the show notes for Sue’s free hospitality prayers and mentoring worksheets.Resources:A prayer for a hospitality heart, recipe, and 10 printables to help you get started in a mentoring relationshipSue's Book: Never Alone; Stories of Invitation & ConnectionSue's 17 keynotes and 8 Retreat SeriesSue’s Facebook group: Welcome Heart, Welcome Home Facebook Insta PinterestTwitterBio: Speaker, author, podcaster, Sue Donaldson and her husband, Mark, have raised 3 daughters who keep them at the bank and on their knees. Sue loves connecting people to one another, to God, and to His Word, and has been speaking for the last 20 years. Sue hosts a weekly podcast: Welcome Heart: Living a Legacy Life and a free Facebook group: Welcome Heart, Welcome Home. You’re invited!Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Holiday Adaptability for Moms of Adult Kids ft. Pamela Henkelman
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!On this episode, host Ruthie Gray welcomes Pamela Henkelman, certified empty nest coach and host of the Midlife Momma podcast, for a candid conversation about navigating the holidays with adult children. Pamela shares her wisdom on letting go of old expectations, respecting new family traditions, and fostering open communication—especially when it comes to those difficult conversations we tend to avoid. She emphasizes the importance of adaptability and prioritizing peace, reminding moms that the holidays may not look like they used to, but can still be filled with joy and connection.Pamela also offers practical advice drawn from her own family’s experience, from scheduling celebrations on non-traditional dates to asking adult kids what traditions matter most to them. The episode highlights the need for moms to process their emotions privately and show up with love, creating a safe and welcoming space for everyone. Listeners will find encouragement to embrace trust and surrender, as well as resources like Pamela’s free guide “10 Things Not to Say to Your Adult Child and 5 Ways to Stop Yourself from Doing It”—linked in the show notes. If you’re a mom facing the empty nest or the “sandwich season” of life, this episode delivers actionable tips and heartfelt support for maintaining healthy, vibrant family relationships.Resources:Freebie: 10 Things Not to Say to Your Adult Child(And 5 Ways to Stop Yourself from Saying Them)The Midlife Momma podcastPamela’s Bio:Pamela Henkelman is a certified Empty Nest Coach, speaker, writer, and host of the Midlife Momma Podcast. With her bright smile and enthusiastic personality, she is passionate about encouraging women, particularly the often-forgotten group of moms with adult children. Pamela helps Christian moms let go with grace and enjoy the empty nest.As a mom of five grown children and four grandchildren, Pamela has firsthand experience with the challenges and joys of navigating the empty-nest phase of life. She and her husband, of 37 years, are living their best empty-nest life and loving every minute of it.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Diplomas to Diagnosis: When Graduation Meets Caregiving ft. Peg Arnold
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Peg Arnold, speaker, author, and “Drama Queen for Jesus”, shares her powerful caregiving journey. Peg opens up about a time when her family navigated joyful milestones like her children's graduations, only to be hit with the sudden loss of her father-in-law and her mother's diagnosis with Alzheimer's, all within the same year. She speaks candidly about the emotional roller coaster of managing crises across generations, the challenge of being needed in two places at once, and the importance of leaning on faith during seasons of overwhelming change.Throughout the episode, Peg offers wisdom on finding strength and hope in difficult times, emphasizing the critical role of prayer, family collaboration, and practical planning. We discuss how God provides "joy gems" in the darkest moments, and Peg shares her own spiritual practices, including journaling and praying scripture. Listeners will also hear how Peg and her husband balanced long-distance caregiving, career loss, and the emotional fallout of life’s unexpected turns. Be sure to check out Peg’s free prayer book, designed to help listeners deepen their prayer lives during trying seasons, and learn more about her speaking ministry and creative presentations on her website, listed in the show notes. Resources:Peg’s WebsitePeg’s FacebookPeg’s InstagramPeg’s Youtube ChannelPeg’s Free Prayer WorkbookPeg’s Bio:Peg Arnold, Speaker/Author/Teacher, is a Drama Queen for Jesus. Her interactive and inspiring presentations and workshops equip and empower others to step into their God-given purpose. Whether speaking with a friend over coffee or addressing hundreds at a conference, her passion for encouraging women to discover their true value and purpose and to utilize their gifts in everyday life is contagious. As a wife to Rick, empty-nest mom, and Nana of eight, Peg creatively shares the joys and challenges of these life experiences through her devotions, dramas, messages, and personal testimony. You can find those devotions in her book, Devotions for the Distracted Heart, on YouVersion, the Upper Room, and several other anthologies. Additionally, she has a new resource: a book for equipping speakers, teachers, and preachers called Making Your Message Memorable: Creative Ideas for Captivating Presentations. Peg grew up in Michigan, raised her family while completing her Master’s in Maryland, and now resides in Colorado, close to her grandchildren.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Building Healthy Connections with Adult Children and In-Laws ft. Suzy Mighell
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode, I’m sitting down with my sweet friend, Suzy Mighell, author of the FABULOUS new release, "Empty Nest: 60 Days to Finding Joy in the Empty Nest." Suzy shares her heart and practical wisdom for navigating the challenging transition from hands-on parenting to developing healthy, encouraging adult-to-adult relationships with grown children. We discuss:- The emotional journey of the empty nest - Practical strategies for supporting adult kids and in-laws - Finding renewed purpose after the kids leave homeSuzy also gives wise insight into self-reflection, embracing new roles, and gracefully entering the grandparent chapter. Whether you're approaching the empty nest years or already well into them, this episode offers uplifting encouragement and actionable tips to help you thrive. Don’t forget to check out Suzy's book and resources linked in the show notes.Resources: Suzy’s Book: Empty Nest: 60 Days to Finding Joy in the Empty NestSuzy’s WebsiteSuzy’s Bio: Suzy Mighell is the personality and content creator behind the popular blog and social media brand Empty Nest Blessed. Known for her bright spirit and biblical encouragement, Suzy creates content to uplift and inspire midlife women in everything from fashion and beauty to marriage, travel, and parenting adult kids. She and her husband love traveling, working, and spending time with their three grown children, two daughters-in-law, two grandchildren, and two crazy granddogs.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Caregiving Special Needs Children and Aging Parents ft. Kelly Hall
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!On this episode, I’m welcoming Kelly Hall—host of the Unshakable Hope podcast, author, Bible teacher, and seasoned caregiver. Kelly shares her profound journey of raising four children (three with special needs) amidst the unique challenges of military life, alongside navigating her own health struggles and ongoing caregiving responsibilities. We get into the emotional and spiritual complexities of caregiving across generations, highlighting the overwhelming moments, the importance of surrender over control, and how faith, scripture, and prayer became their anchors during times of uncertainty.Listeners will find comfort and practical wisdom as Kelly recounts powerful stories of God’s provision, from tangible miracles in moments of need to the sustaining peace found in daily prayer and specific scriptures. The conversation also addresses the transition to caring for aging parents while balancing the needs of one’s own family, emphasizing that God’s love and sovereignty are constant—even when life doesn’t go as planned. Kelly’s experience is a reminder that while the caregiving journey can feel chaotic and isolating, hope is always within reach. Be sure to check out more resources at kellyhall.org and tune in for inspiration, encouragement, and practical support for your own sandwich season.Resources: Kelly’s WebsiteUnshakable Hope PodcastKelly’s FacebookKelly’s InstagramUnshakable Hope Podcast YouTubeKelly’s Bio:Kelly hosts the Unshakable Hope podcast and is an author, Bible teacher, and speaker. She has a unique family story of raising four children, three with special needs, in the constantly challenging world of the Air Force followed by an unexpected journey into chronic illness and ongoing caregiving, She is intimately familiar with the ache of unanswered prayers, so her greatest joy is helping others discover the hope that holds us even when life shakes us. She lives in AZ and enjoys the beauty of the desert with her husband of 39 years, 2 adult daughters and a super smart service dog named Skylar. Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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From Boomerang Kids to Pandemic Caregiving & Loss ft. Linda Hanstra
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Linda Hanstra, a semi-retired speech-language pathologist, author, and seasoned empty nester joins the podcast to share her personal stories of navigating the "sandwich season". From unexpected joys with kids and grandkids to profound loss and pandemic-era challenges, Linda opens up about the lessons learned, the importance of family connection, and the growth that comes from balancing joy with grief.Tune in to hear Linda’s insights from her new book, Empty Nest Joyride: Hope, Love and Purpose on the Road to Contentment. The conversation covers everything from tips for handling “boomerang kids” to the nuances of parenting adult children and finding peace in times of transition. Listeners will also learn about Linda’s practical resources, including her “Happy Together” checklist for families navigating returning adult children, and get a chance to enter an exciting book giveaway. Don’t miss this encouraging episode filled with relatable stories, practical advice, and a gentle reminder that peace and joy can flourish even amid life’s toughest seasons.The following links contain affiliate links. Resources: Linda’s book, Empty-Nest Joyride: Hope, Love, and Purpose on the Road to ContentmentWebsite: lindahanstra.comSubstack: lindahanstra.substack.com/"Happy Together" checklists: lindahanstra.com/happy Tiny Testimony Book Workshop: Learn more hereLinda’s Bio:Linda Hanstra writes about what brings joy to her empty nest, including topics such as her faith, family, cycling, traveling, grandparenting, and more. Linda is the author of two books—Lent through the Little Things and her new release, Empty-Nest Joyride: Hope, Love, and Purpose on the Road to Contentment. Linda and her husband, Tom, live in southwest Michigan and spend summers “Up North” in Minnesota—their home away from home. With four adult children, a daughter-in-law, a soon-to-be son-in-law, and two adorable grandchildren, Linda is cruising along on her “empty-nest joyride!”Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Practical Ways People Pleasers Can Balance Identity and Daily Demands ft. Lori Schumaker
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of Sandwich Season Sanity, I’m sitting down with my friend and fellow caregiver, Lori Schumaker. Lori opens up about her caregiving journey and gives her wisdom for those of us going through this season. We discuss topics like embracing your God-given identity, prioritizing personal peace, and letting go of the pressure to do it all—whether that’s handling family caregiving or managing others’ opinions.The episode is filled with relatable moments—like wrestling with people-pleasing tendencies, asking for help, and the healing power of laughter. Plus, Lori shares about her helpful identity workbook and how small, intentional habits (even just ten minutes with God each morning) can restore peace amidst chaos. If you’re caring for aging parents, raising kids, or simply feeling stretched thin, this episode is a gentle reminder that you are enough because God is enough.Resources: Lori’s workbookLori’s website: LoriSchumaker.comRuthie’s Caring for Aging Parents Session, sponsored by Get Organized SummitLori’s Bio:As an AACC Certified Life and Mental Health Coach, writer, and speaker with a Master's in Education and over two decades of ministry experience, Lori Schumaker gently guides women through life's complexities with grace and resilience. Through her award-winning blog, Unveiling Hope at LoriSchumaker.com, she creates resources to help strengthen women's relationship with God, equip them with strategies for mental health, and unveiling hope—empowering them to live free and full.Lori's life story embodies the phrase "unveiled hope." Her own journey through the pain of abortion and the subsequent cycle of shame and insecurity left her feeling shattered, yet anchored by her faith in Christ and armed with practical strategies, Lori found strength and redemption. The adversities that once sent her spiraling are now her testimony to the power of Jesus.As a wife, adoptive, biological, and special needs mom, Lori reflects her Creator's love in every role. She also writes for various publications, speaks at events and podcasts, hosts Unveiling Hope retreats, and authored the award-winning memoir Surrendered Hearts: An Adoption Story of Love, Loss, and Learning to Trust.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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An Emergency Medical Records Checklist for Caregivers ft. Cathy Lawdanski
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity podcast, I’m interviewing Cathy Lawdanski, a retired empty nester with a wealth of wit and wisdom for navigating life’s later seasons. Cathy shares the story behind her essential "Medical Records Checklist," inspired by a personal medical emergency that revealed how critical it is to have up-to-date medical and legal information readily available, especially for empty nesters, caregivers, or anyone entering the sandwich season of life. She outlines the key documents and details—plus practical tips on organizing everything in both physical and digital formats for easy access by loved ones.As a special resource, you can download Cathy’s comprehensive Medical Records Checklist via the link in the show notes—your first step in simplifying emergencies and supporting your loved ones through challenging times.Resources: Emergency Grab & Go ChecklistCathy’s Instagram: @retired_empty_nesterGet Organized HQ Virtual: Free Ticket (click here)Cathy’s bio:My name is Cathy, the Retired Empty Nester. I'm a 60+ wife, mother and grandmother in the empty-nest, retired phase of life. My goal is to THRIVE in these years through SERVING, LEARNING and having FUN! Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Two Questions to Ask in Your Stressed Season
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity Podcast, I’m discussing the challenge of finding peace during one of life’s most chaotic seasons. This episode offers a compassionate exploration of how true peace isn’t just handed to us—even believers need to take intentional, sometimes uncomfortable steps to experience it fully. I’m sharing personal stories and boundary-setting moments so listeners can know that even when faced with setbacks, there is peace in the midst. Don’t forget to check out the episodes referenced in this show, and consider leaving a rating or review as a “get well” gift to Ruthie as she recovers and prepares for season two!Resources: Intentional Long Distance Caregiving ft. Lori Ann WoodGrowing a Guilt-Free Prayer Life ft. Janet McHenryVisit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Dream with God in 60 Minutes
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity podcast, I’m sharing my "Dream with God in 60 Minutes" task-sorting method through a practical, prayer-centered exercise for balancing personal desires, family responsibilities, and your calling from God. We’ll talk about shifting priorities, setting healthy boundaries, and learning to let go of goals that no longer align with your season of life. You’ll be encouraged to embrace your hope endeavors, communicate needs with family, and protect time for what matters most. If you’re struggling to find space for your dreams amidst the busyness of daily life, this episode will inspire and equip you to invite God into your planning—so you can cultivate peace in the sandwich season. Resources: AOM Podcast: Ep. 114: Goal Setting Essentials for Empty Nest EntrepreneursAOM Podcast: Ep. 115: 5 Clear Indicators It’s Time to Quit and Start Fresh Ruthie’s book: Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose Private Podcast (Peaceful Mom Collection)Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Embracing Legacy: Saying ‘No’ to the Hustle ft. Laura Acuña
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In the second half of this episode with Laura Acuna, we’re dissecting the real-life balancing act of being an entrepreneur, author, and mom/caregiver/grandparent. Learn insights on saying “no” and how to prioritize listening to God’s guidance, making time for family, and accepting help in caregiving roles. I give the scoop on my practical routines, like my beloved “coffee before talkie” mornings, plus deep faith practices that underpin my work and my book, Empty Nest Awakening.The conversation also turns to the grace and growth that come with aging, the pivotal role of legacy, and the importance of modeling faith and purpose for the next generation. We discuss resisting hustle culture in the second half of life, focusing instead on rest, presence, and meaningful impact. Whether you’re navigating empty nest life, launching a new passion project, or simply seeking encouragement for the next season, this episode is packed with wisdom, authenticity, and practical tips for women striving to live with intention and trust in God’s faithful plan.Resources:Meet Laura Acuña: Laura’s WebsiteLaura’s Podcast: Still BecomingRuthie’s book: Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose Integrating Personal Ambitions and Caregiving ft. Laura AcuñaNote: Affiliate links may be included.Meet Laura: Laura Acuña is a speaker, author, podcast host, and Certified Professional Life Coach (CPCLC). She is the founder of Laura Acuña Ministries and the host of the Still Becoming Podcast.She passionately believes it is never too late for God to write a new story, and is the author of Still Becoming: Hope, Help and Healing for the Diet - Weary Soul.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Integrating Personal Ambitions and Caregiving ft. Laura Acuña
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity, I’m sharing my guest appearance on the Still Becoming Podcast with Laura Acuña, discussing the unique challenges and opportunities that come with balancing caregiving roles and personal ambitions during midlife. I’ll share my personal journey from being a busy mom of four to finding renewed purpose and productivity in the empty nest stage. Together, we discuss the grief and loss that often accompany this season, but also highlight the possibilities for growth and the exciting opportunities that await midlife moms.We walk you through how the skills, talents, and experiences gained in motherhood can be powerfully redirected into new ventures, such as writing, coaching, and entrepreneurship. With honest stories about overcoming fear, learning new skills (even technology!), and embracing God-given desires, this episode is a must-listen for anyone wondering what’s next after the nest empties.Resources:Meet Laura Acuña: Laura’s WebsiteLaura’s Podcast: Still BecomingRuthie’s book: Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose Note: Affiliate links may be included.Meet Laura: Laura Acuña is a speaker, author, podcast host, and Certified Professional Life Coach (CPCLC). She is the founder of Laura Acuña Ministries and the host of the Still Becoming Podcast.She passionately believes it is never too late for God to write a new story, and is the author of Still Becoming: Hope, Help and Healing for the Diet - Weary Soul.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Supporting Your Kids While Caregiving
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity podcast, I sat down with my youngest daughter, Kylie, to explore the unique challenges that arise when a mom transitions into a caregiving role while still raising children. Kylie, who was fourteen when I began caring for my aging parents, shares her perspective of what it was like to experience big family changes at a young age. Together, we walk through the confusion, anxiety, and sense of responsibility that she felt, and the importance of open communication—even when life is unpredictable and overwhelming.Join us as we uncover valuable lessons for families navigating caregiving and parenting at the same time. We’ll discuss practical ways to help children process complex emotions, the role of prayer and faith through difficult seasons, and how embracing vulnerability can foster healing and connection. Walk away encouraged and equipped to build stronger, more understanding relationships within your own family.Resources:How to Have Tricky Conversations with Adult Children ft. Melinda PatrickManaging Anxiety as a Mom and CaregiverNote: Affiliate links may be included.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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My Journey Through Trauma and Self-Care
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of the Sandwich Season Sanity Podcast, Ruthie opens up about her personal healing journey after years of caregiving and business leadership left her feeling emotionally depleted. She shares a candid reflection on the toll that “little t” trauma—like ongoing stress, caregiver emergencies, and unresolved emotions—can take on mental health, especially for women in midlife. Ruthie emphasizes that seeking counseling and wise counsel is an act of self-care—not a sign of weakness—and a necessary foundation for being able to pour back into others.The episode weaves together practical advice, spiritual encouragement, and personal anecdotes, inspiring listeners not to ignore their own warning signs but to seek healing and peace—even in the midst of busy caregiving seasons. Ruthie reminds everyone that true peace is available now, regardless of life’s chaos, and encourages listeners to take small steps toward prioritizing their own well-being through community, faith, and self-reflection.Resources:How Healthy Boundaries Reduce Stress ft. Lisa SarugaIdentifying and Managing Caregiver Trauma ft. Lisa SarugaNote: Affiliate links may be included.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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How Healthy Boundaries Reduce Stress ft. Lisa Saruga
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this part two episode with trauma therapist, Lisa Saruga, Ruthie and Lisa focus on how setting boundaries can bring peace to sandwich generation moms. Lisa shares her “property line” metaphor for boundaries, a crucial mindset for overwhelmed caregivers. They discuss real-life examples from their own caregiving journeys and address the unique struggles of maintaining boundaries amidst family dynamics, pride, and guilt.Listeners will hear honest conversation around the importance of pruning even “good” activities during chaotic seasons—like church work, social commitments, or personal projects—in order to preserve peace and health. Ruthie and Lisa talk about navigating difficult transitions, such as sharing care responsibilities with siblings, learning to ask for help, communicating honestly about your own limitations, and releasing the need for control. Lisa also shares resources available on her website, including journaling techniques and a soothing playlist—tools that can help caregivers find calm in the midst of chaos. If you’re navigating the complexities of caregiving and longing for more peace, this episode offers both wisdom and hope.Resources:Lisa's Book: The Trauma TreeVisit Lisa's website: LisaSaruga.com to download The Trauma Tree Spotify Companion Playlist & Writing R.A.W. Journaling TechniqueIdentifying and Managing Caregiving Trauma with Lisa Saruga (Part I)Note: Affiliate links may be included.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Identifying and Managing Caregiver Trauma ft. Lisa Saruga
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of Sandwich Season Sanity, Ruthie sits down with Lisa Saruga to explore the often overlooked topic of caregiving trauma. Lisa, a therapist and author of The Trauma Tree, shares her personal experiences of managing care for elderly relatives, highlighting the emotional and sensory overload that caregiving can bring. Both Ruthie and Lisa underscore the reality that caregiving involves not just physical demands, but deep emotional challenges, and subtle stresses that can have a profound impact on the caregiver’s mental health.Throughout the conversation, Lisa unpacks the science behind trauma, explaining how experiences are stored in the brain and how triggers can unexpectedly resurface powerful emotions. The discussion moves beyond simply surviving as a caregiver, focusing on practical ways to find resilience, hope, and even joy amidst ongoing stress. Lisa offers both expert insight and practical tools for our listeners to access that will help caregivers dealing with trauma. Be sure to check the show notes for links to Lisa’s book, website (lisasaruga.com), and free journaling techniques to help you process and find peace during challenging seasons of care.Resources:Lisa's Book: The Trauma TreeVisit Lisa's website: LisaSaruga.com to download The Trauma Tree Spotify Companion Playlist & Writing R.A.W. Journaling TechniqueRuthie's Next Steps Retreat: Learn More HereNote: Affiliate links may be included.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Growing a Guilt-Free Prayer Life ft. Janet McHenry
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Episode 8 of the Sandwich Season Sanity podcast features guest, Janet McHenry, national speaker and author of 27 books, including Praying Personalities and her latest, Looking Up: Finding Joy as You Read and Pray Through the Bible. Janet shares insights from her personal sandwich season as a wife, mom, grandmother of 10, and remote caregiver for her mother, who is currently in hospice care. She reflects on the challenges and joys of multigenerational family life, the importance of setting loving boundaries, and how to navigate caregiving responsibilities while also pursuing ministry and personal growth.Janet, a fervent prayer warrior, shares the importance of creating guilt-free, doable spiritual habits, even in busy caregiving seasons, offering practical wisdom for fitting in prayer and scripture reading. The conversation also touches on Janet’s supportive community through her Bible Girls Facebook group, her passion for fostering a purposeful, prayer-filled life, and tips for maintaining peace by prioritizing God’s Word. Resources:Janet's Book: Looking Up: finding Joy As you read and Pray through the BibleJanet's Book: Praying Personalities: Finding Your Natural Prayer StyleJanet's Facebook Group: Bible Girls 2025Janet's Website: JanetMcHenry.comJanet's guest interview on the Authentic Online Marketing Podcast: Balancing Writing and Audience Growth with Janet McHenryCheck out: Ruthie’s Next Steps RetreatNote: Affiliate links may be included.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Intentional Long Distance Caregiving ft. Lori Ann Wood
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!In this episode of Sandwich Season Sanity, Ruthie interviews Lori Ann Wood about her experiences navigating the complex realities of the "sandwich season"—long-distance caring for aging parents while raising her own children and balancing a serious illness. She discusses the importance of healthy, respectful family communication and highlights the difficulties of helping parents maintain their independence while also ensuring their safety.Throughout the conversation, Lori Ann also reflects on the impact her serious heart condition has had, both on her approach to caregiving and her broader outlook on life. She offers practical advice for setting boundaries, prioritizing self-care, and finding peace in tumultuous seasons. Lori Ann introduces her book "Divine Detour," which explores faith in the face of unexpected hardships, and shares valuable resources for caregivers, including warning signs for heart failure and prayer guides. The episode is filled with relatable stories, wisdom about family dynamics, and encouragement for listeners to embrace creativity, set healthy boundaries, and stay grounded in faith during challenging times.Resources:Freebie link: If you’re on a detour and find it difficult to communicate with God, get her free gift, 5 Prayers & Promises When You Can’t Talk to GodBook: Divine Detour: The Path You’d Never Choose can lead to the Faith You’ve Always WantedConnect with Lori Ann on her website, on Instagram or on Facebook.For more information about the heart failure warning signs Lori Ann missed, she’d love to share her graphic as a gift to you, 5 Warning Signs of Heart FailureNote: Affiliate links may be included.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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From Worry to Hot Flashes: Sleep Tips for Midlife Moms
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Send a text by tapping the link above and let me know if you like the show!This episode of Sandwich Season Sanity offers essential sleeping tips for busy midlife moms, who are usually either premenopausal, menopausal, or postmenopausal. Ruthie Gray shares candid stories about her own sleep struggles that began during her children’s teenage driving years and continued through empty nest and caregiving seasons. She discusses the anxiety and physical changes, like menopause, that often rob sleep in mid-life and emphasizes the universal need for restful sleep as women grow older.Resources:Book:Empty Nest Awakening: Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose by Ruthie Gray (specifically, Chapter 20 “Mama Needs Rest”)Ruthie’s Sleep Recommendations: View Ruthie’s Full List on AmazonTime-release melatoninCooling pillowsBlue light glassesSpecific supplements for hormone and stress management (view on Amazon)Ruthie’s naturopath, Rachel Rausch: Eiro Wellness WebsiteRetreat Opportunity for Christian empty-nest entrepreneurs & creativesNext Steps Retreat in Bradley, West Virginia—September 18–21Enjoy a blend of coaching, rest, and supportive community (or visit ruthiegray.com/retreat for details)Note: Affiliate links may be included.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Finding New Purpose in Empty Nest ft. Kate Battistelli
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!This episode of Sandwich Season Sanity is about navigating the “afterparty” of the empty nest, offering encouragement and wisdom for moms redefining their purpose after their children have grown. Host Ruthie Gray welcomes guest Kate Batastelli—author, former Broadway actress, and mother of Grammy-winning artist Francesca Battistelli—to share her insights and journey.Ruthie and Kate discuss the reality that the shift to an empty nest can bring deep grief and a loss of purposeful identity. Kate shares, “The only way out of grief and heartache is to go through it.” She emphasizes that few moms prepare for this transition emotionally, often feeling blindsided when their central role as "Mom" shifts and their children begin new, independent chapters.Some key thoughts from the episode:Embrace the Transition: The empty nest phase can be emotional, but Kate encourages us to honor the grief while also planning for a vibrant “second act.” Don’t get stuck—look for ways to serve, volunteer, and step outside your comfort zone.Seek Your “And”: Your identity isn’t just tied to the title of “mom.” There’s an “and”—a new chapter or calling that God may have for you. Ask yourself: What else am I called to do in this season?Prioritize Self-Care: “Self-care is not selfish.” Whether you’re in the thick of caregiving or finding your footing post-parenting, it’s essential to carve out time for what renews your spirit and brings you peace.Resources:Kate Battistelli’s Website: Kate BattistelliKate Battistelli’s Book: The Afterparty of the Empty Nest Ruthie’s Private Podcast: The Peaceful Mom CollectionRetreat for Empty Nest Entrepreneurs: Next Steps RetreatNote: Affiliate links may be included.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Balancing Boundaries: Loving Adult Children Without Losing Yourself ft. Pat Fenner
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!This episode of Sandwich Season Sanity features a heartfelt check-in between host Ruthie Gray and guest Pat Fenner discussing what it’s like to juggle work commitments, family responsibilities, and grandparenting—all while striving to nurture healthy boundaries with adult children and loved ones.Here are three key takeaways for moms facing similar challenges:Setting Boundaries Is Necessary—And Never Easy: Pat shared her ongoing journey of creating healthy boundaries, especially with adult kids and grandkids. Letting Go for Growth: As parents, it's tough to step back and let adult children face their own challenges. Pat encourages us to lean into faith and trust that we're not meant to carry the load alone—sometimes the best thing we can do is surrender and let God work in their lives.Finding Joy After Hardship: Pat spoke about her book, Rebuilding Your Life After a Silver Divorce, and the importance of seeking healing and joy after major life transitions. Her story is a powerful reminder that surrender can lead to unexpected redemption and new beginnings.Resources:Pat Fenner’s book, Rebuilding Your Life After a Silver Divorce: A Pathway to Healing, Significance, and Joy, offers hope and actionable strategies for women walking through divorce and beyond.Ruthie’s Private Podcast: The Peaceful Mom CollectionRetreat for Empty Nest Entrepreneurs: Next Steps RetreatNote: affiliate links may be included.Pat Fenner is a devoted advocate for personal transformation and healing. As an accomplished author and podcast producer, Pat has dedicated her career to empowering women, particularly those navigating the challenging waters of post-divorce life. In her latest book, Rebuilding Your Life After a Gray Divorce: A Path to Healing, Joy, and Significance, Pat draws on her own experiences and years of mentoring to offer a lifeline to women struggling to find their footing after a later-in-life divorce.With a compassionate voice and a deep understanding of the emotional and spiritual upheavals faced in later-life separations, Pat has crafted the STRENGTHS framework. This guide is designed to help women savor simplicity, rebuild trust, and embrace a promising future. Her approach is deeply practical, rooted in real-life stories, biblical wisdom, and actionable strategies, encouraging women to reclaim their lives and rediscover joy.In addition to her writing, Pat produces the engaging and insightful podcast "Silver Women, Bright Future" which serves as a platform to explore resilience, healing, and personal growth. She aims to inspire listeVisit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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How to Have Tricky Conversations with Adult Children ft. Melinda Patrick
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Today's episode with guest, Melinda Patrick, explores how parents can navigate and maintain healthy relationships with adult children, especially when they choose paths that diverge from their upbringing. As parents, we often wrestle with how to handle our children’s unexpected life choices as they grow into independence. These choices can range from where they shop for groceries, to church attendance, to walking away from their faith. Through her personal experiences, Melinda Patrick shares how to move beyond our instincts of taking these decisions personally and engage with children through tricky conversations. To hear Ruthie and Melinda go deeper on the topic of faith and life, join Ruthie’s private podcast and newsletter, The Peaceful Mom Collection, which provides guidance on parenting in these complex seasons. Resources mentioned: 1. Download Melinda’s Scripture journaling activity: Tracing The Father’s Heart 2. Melinda’s Podcast: The Bridge Between Us3. Melinda's Book: The Daring Rescue 4. Ruthie’s Private Podcast: The Peaceful Mom Collection5. Retreat for Empty Nest Entrepreneurs: Next Steps RetreatVisit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Real Talk for Caregiver Burnout ft. Rayna Neises
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Ruthie Gray explores the concept of "sandwich season," emphasizing the caregiver's role as the central hub between multiple generations, often managing responsibilities for both children and aging parents. She shares her personal experiences with multigenerational caregiving, offering insights into the importance of support and validation for those who feel overwhelmed.Key Takeaways 1. Practical Strategies for Managing Caregiving Challenges:o Being proactive and seeking practical solutions is essential for sustaining your efforts in the long run.2. Support and Validation for Overwhelmed Caregivers:o Connecting with community and sharing experiences can provide the validation you need.3. Tips for Maintaining Self-Care:o It's important to prioritize your well-being so you can continue to support your loved ones effectively.Resources · Reyna Neises's podcast, A Season of Caring," which provides relatable stories and advice for caregivers.· Reyna's book, No Regrets: Hope for Your Caregiving Season, available on Amazon.· Ruthie’s own book, Empty Nest Awakening: Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose (Amazon), designed to help individuals navigate new life phases while balancing caregiving responsibilities.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Managing Anxiety as a Mom and Caregiver
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Welcome to Episode 1 of Sandwich Season Sanity! This episode explores finding peace amid fear, particularly for those navigating the challenges of sandwich season—caring for aging parents while supporting growing and adult children.Finding Peace Amidst Fear: Ruthie Gray shares personal stories about her own fears with her adult daughter’s health scares. She emphasizes the significance of finding God's peace through prayer and scripture (Philippians 4:6-7) rather than succumbing to worry.Cultivating Thankfulness: Ruthie highlights how giving thanks is a powerful antidote to worry. She outlines the importance of a spirit of gratitude, explaining that it helps redirect the mind from anxiety to appreciating what one has, aligning with Scripture.Practical Encouragement for Moms: The episode offers practical advice for "sandwich season" moms juggling caregiving responsibilities. Ruthie introduces "The Peaceful Mom collection," a podcast resource to help listeners cultivate peace and embrace self-growth during challenging times.ResourcesThe Peaceful Mom Collection, a Private Podcast with a deeper look at how to prioritize peace amidst tricky family dynamics, nurture communication and boundaries with adult kids and elderly parents, and gain confidence and clarity on personal endeavors.Check the link here to sign upVisit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Welcome to Sandwich Season Sanity!
Click here to send a text and tell us how you like the show!Welcome to Sandwich Season: Peace, joy, and wisdom for moms who are stretched thin in multigenerational caregiving, juggling parenting, grandparenting, and eldercare. Take charge of reactions, set those oh-so-important boundaries, and find time for new passions and hobbies.Visit Ruthie's Website at RuthieGray.comGet Ruthie's Sandwich Season Pieces NewsletterRead Ruthie's book, Empty Nest Awakening; Weaving the Threads of Your Passions into Purpose
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Welcome to Sandwich Season: Peace, joy, and wisdom for moms who are stretched thin in multigenerational caregiving, juggling parenting, grandparenting, and eldercare. Take charge of reactions, set those oh-so-important boundaries, and find time for new passions and hobbies.
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Ruthie Gray
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