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That's What They Say
by Anne Curzan, Rebecca Hector
Funner, snuck, and LOL are all things that we're hearing people say these days.That's What They Say is a weekly segment on Michigan Public that explores our changing language. University of Michigan English Professor Anne Curzan studies linguistics and the history of the English language. Each week she'll discuss why we say what we say with Michigan Public All Things Considered host Rebecca Hector.That's What They Say airs Fridays at 4:45 p.m. and Sundays at 9:35 a.m. on Michigan Public and you can podcast it here.Do you have an English or grammar question? Ask us here!
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TWTS: Old English, new boundaries
When we talk about Middle English, it suggests that we know when English began and when it ends.
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TWTS: The cards language deals
There are lots of cards we can still play now, but we’ve lost some good ones too.
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TWTS: "Hunky dory" is doing just fine
If "hunky dory" means the same thing as "right as rain," then we face the question of how right rain is.
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TWTS: "Highfalutin" is too good for one spelling
While we may know highfalutin language when we hear it, we don't all agree about how to spell "highfalutin" or where it comes from.
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TWTS: Be careful what you hear around the scuttlebutt
We exchange scuttlebutt at the proverbial water cooler, and there's an etymological clue in that.
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TWTS: Time to talk about your watch
The little clock we wear on our wrist could be called a clock. Instead, it has long had its own term, being called a watch instead.
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TWTS: Careful how you're using that 👍
Sometimes new slang jumps out in front of you, waving its hands, or thumbs, so that you can’t help but notice it. Sometimes it just sneaks up on you.
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TWTS: Understanding the depth of "fathom"
We can count fathoms when we’re measuring things. We can also metaphorically fathom or not fathom things.
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TWTS: Speaking of "bespoke"
This is a bespoke segment of That’s What They Say that focuses on “bespoke.”
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TWTS: Up and down your alley... and your street
If it’s up your alley, it might also be up your street. And perhaps it’s down rather than up.
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TWTS: One rank, two pronunciations
You say "lieutenant," I say “leftenant” but let’s not call the whole thing off.
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TWTS: The wonky journey of "wonky"
There’s more than one way to be wonky, and not all of them are bad.
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TWTS: Are we canceling adverbs?
Adverbs don’t always get a lot of love, captured powerfully in the writing tip “Abolish the adverbs.”
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TWTS: Scrimping, skimping, and the degrees of frugality
We scrimp and we save, and we skimp and we still save, which makes one wonder whether scrimping is different from skimping
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TWTS: From fishmongers to warmongers - and warmongerers
Cheesemongers sell cheese, and gossipmongers usually start the gossip or spread it, rather than sell it.
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TWTS: The death of doornails
Many of us don’t talk about doornails very often, but sometimes we will when things are really, well, dead.
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TWTS: When "f" and "v" were sort of one
If you know how the sound "f" worked in Old English, it suddenly isn’t mysterious why the "f" in "leaf" turns into a "v" in the plural form "leaves."
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TWTS: Why no one is "gonna Pittsburgh"
If I say I’m gonna do it, I don’t necessarily mean I’m headed out the door right now to do it.
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TWTS: From "6-7" to sixes and sevens
2025 had lots of people talking about sixes and sevens, but not in the loose ends kind of way.
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TWTS: A hangout is a great place to hang out
Next time you’re hanging out with friends, you can debate just how slangy the phrasal verb ‘hang out’ is.
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TWTS: Fore! It's a lightning round
This may be one of the only times that throw pillows, golf, and curling all get wrapped into the same discussion.
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TWTS: Humbled in victory, humbled in defeat
When we get schooled at something, we may feel humbled by the experience; but when we win something, we may also say we feel humbled by the experience.
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TWTS: When a reign becomes rain
When terror rains down, we suddenly have a spelling question.
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TWTS: The Declaration of ... Independency?
The Declaration of Independence could readily have been the Declaration of Independency.
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TWTS: Bereft or just lacking?
We can be bereaved, we can be bereft, and sometimes we can be both bereaved and bereft.
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TWTS: The wonky journey of "wonky"
There are a few different ways to be wonky, some of which are positive and some of which, not so much.
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TWTS: Not all sounds resonate
The way some people use "resonate" doesn't resonate with all of our listeners.
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TWTS: If you're in hurry, you should scurry
If we’re involved in a hurry-scurry retreat or a harum-scarum dash, perhaps things are also helter-skelter.
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TWTS: The right snuff
If you’re not up to snuff, you’re not up to scratch and maybe you don’t get a cigar.
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TWTS: A recurring question can reoccur
This week’s question has not been a recurring one, by which we mean it has occurred once and not reoccurred.
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TWTS: For crotchety cranks who crochet
If it seems unlikely that crotchety people are related, at least etymologically, to those who do crochet, stay tuned.
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TWTS: The American Dialect Society's 2025 Word of the Year is...
Given how much we’re talking about AI right now, it’s no surprise that AI-related words featured prominently in this year’s word of the year vote.
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TWTS: Generics
Sometimes we don’t realize that we’re using a trademarked term differently from those around us.
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TWTS: When language gets spicy
We can pepper our food or pepper our speech or, if the mood strikes us, we can be peppy in a pep rally kind of way.
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TWTS: Wishes for good fortune and days off
‘Tis the season to talk about "‘tis" and "‘twas" and, while we’re at it, "hap."
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TWTS: Keep your trousers, breeches, and pants on
If you’re too big for your britches, maybe you’re all mouth and trousers.
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TWTS: A brief history of pants
The word "pants" has oodles of good linguistic stories to tell, and that’s no pile of pants.
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Funner, snuck, and LOL are all things that we're hearing people say these days.That's What They Say is a weekly segment on Michigan Public that explores our changing language. University of Michigan English Professor Anne Curzan studies linguistics and the history of the English language. Each week she'll discuss why we say what we say with Michigan Public All Things Considered host Rebecca Hector.That's What They Say airs Fridays at 4:45 p.m. and Sundays at 9:35 a.m. on Michigan Public and you can podcast it here.Do you have an English or grammar question? Ask us here!
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Anne Curzan, Rebecca Hector
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