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The Education Exchange
by Paul E. Peterson
A weekly podcast highlighting education policy news, hosted by Paul E. Peterson, Senior editor of Education Next
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Ep. 442 - May 11, 2026 - Public School Enrollment Is Declining. Is Universal Choice to Blame?
Patrick Graff, a Senior Fellow with the American Federation for Children, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Graff's paper, "Declining Public School Enrollment and the Rise of Universal Private School Choice Programs," which was presented at "School Choice: Impacts on Participants, Non-Participants, Educators, and Entrepreneurs," a conference hosted by the Harvard Kennedy School's Program on Education Policy and Governance on May 7 and 8, 2026.
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Ep. 441 - May 4, 2026 - AP Exams Have Shown a Measurable Decline in Rigor for Years
John Moscatiello, founder of Marco Learning, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Advanced Placement exams and how they've transformed through the past three years.
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Ep. 438 - April 13, 2026 - How the University of Austin Fearlessly Pursues the Truth
Carlos Carvalho, the president of the University of Austin, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the institution's mission to bring back free inquiry to higher education.
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Ep. 437 - April 6, 2026 - How to Build a Better Institute of Education Sciences
Amber Northern, a senior advisor to the Secretary at the U.S. Department of Education, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss her efforts on reforming the Institute of Education Science. The full report, "Reimagining the Institute of Education Sciences: A Strategy for Relevance and Renewal," is available now. https://ies.ed.gov/ies/2026/02/reimagining-ies
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Ep. 436 - March 30, 2026 - Most Progressive College Professors Exclude Alternatives Views
Jon Shields, a professor of American politics in the government department at Claremont McKenna College, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Shields' latest research, which uses the Open Syllabus database to see how contentious issues are being taught on college campuses.
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Ep. 435 - March 23, 2026 - Students Lean Liberal Upon Arrival to College, Shift Further Left by Graduation
Paola Sapienza, the J-P Conte Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how political opinions are represented on college campuses, with more students closer to the center than not.
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Ep. 434 - March 16, 2026 - Top Academic Journal Sees America Through a Glass Darkly
Richard D. Kahlenberg, Director of the American Identity Project at the Progressive Policy Institute, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Kahlenberg's new report, which investigates how American Quarterly has covered American studies and history in the wake of President Donald Trump's one-sided treatment. "The Distortion of American Studies: How the Field’s Leading Journal Has Embraced a Worldview as Slanted as Donald Trump’s," co-written with Lief Lin, is available now at Progressive Policy Institute. https://www.progressivepolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/PPI_The-Distortion-of-American-Studies.pdf
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Ep. 433 - March 9, 2026 - Today’s Better Grades Could Mean Tomorrow’s Smaller Paychecks
Jeff Denning, an associate professor at the University of Texas at Austin LBJ School of Public Affairs and Department of Educational Leadership and Policy, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Denning's latest research, "Easy A’s, Less Pay: The Long-Term Effects of Grade Inflation," co-written with Rachel Nesbit, Nolan Pope, and Merrill Warnick.
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Ep. 432 - March 2, 2026 - Virtual Learning Must Be a Choice, Not the Only Option
Julie Young, the former Vice President of Education Outreach and Student Services for Arizona State University, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss her upcoming book, Say Yes: How Virtual Became Reality.
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Ep. 431 - Feb. 23, 2026 - The Federal Scholarship Tax Credit Starts in 2027. What Can We Expect?
John Schilling, representing the 50 State Federal Scholarship Tax Credit Coalition and Defense of Freedom Institute, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss new Federal scholarship tax credit program, and how states are preparing for its launch in 2027.
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Ep. 430 - Feb. 17, 2026 - School Boards Have a Bigger Impact on Outcomes Than You Think
John Singleton, an Associate Professor of Economics at the University of Rochester, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Singleton's latest research, which uses large-language AI models to determine the viewpoints and priorities of school board members in California. "Identity and Ideology in the School Boardroom," co-written with Barbara Biasi, Minseon Park, and Seth D. Zimmerman, is available now at NBER.org.
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Ep. 429 - Feb. 9, 2026 - Charter Schools and Historically Black Colleges Join Forces with Philanthropic Support
Marlon Marshall, the Chief Executive Officer of City Fund, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how City Fund and Bloomberg Philanthropies are committing $20 million to create new charter schools in connection with Historically Black Colleges and Universities.
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Ep. 428 - Feb. 2, 2026 - Public Education’s No Good, Very Bad Century (So Far)
M. Danish Shakeel, a Professor and the director of the E. G. West Centre for Education Policy at The University of Buckingham, UK, joins Paul E. Peterson to Shakeel's latest research, which investigates achievement and inequality trends in the United States between 2005 and 2024. "The Nation’s Achievement Inequality Report Card: An Assessment of Test Score and Equality Trends in Traditional Public, Charter, Catholic, and Department of Defense Schools," co-written with Misty Gallo and Patrick J. Wolf, is available now. https://edworkingpapers.com/sites/default/files/ai26-1378.pdf
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Ep. 427 - Jan. 26, 2026 - You Think States Are Stealing Funds from Orphans? Think Again.
Emily Putnam-Hornstein, the John A. Tate Distinguished Professor for Children in Need at the School of Social Work at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how funds are distributed to foster children in the United States. "No, States Aren’t “Stealing” from Foster Children," co-written with Naomi Schaefer Riley, is available now at AEI. https://www.aei.org/op-eds/no-states-arent-stealing-from-foster-children/
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Ep. 426 - Jan. 20, 2026 - Private-School Choice Loses When Voters Asked to Decide
Vladimir Kogan, a Professor in the Department of Political Science at Ohio State University, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how voters handle school choice at the ballot box in the United States. "Voters Reject Vouchers—Again! What the defeat of private school choice measures in three states signals for the movement," co-written with Parker Baxter and Michael Hartney, is available now at Education Next. https://www.educationnext.org/voters-reject-vouchers-again-defeat-private-school-choice-measures/
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Ep. 425 - Jan. 12, 2025 - Teacher Salaries Cut, Even When Public Districts Have More Money
Aaron Garth Smith, the Director of Education Reform at the Reason Foundation, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Reason's latest report, which details how education funds were spent in 2025. "K-12 Education Spending Spotlight 2025: Annual public school spending nears $1 trillion," co-written with Jordan Campbell, is available now at Reason.org.
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Ep. 424 - Dec. 22, 2025 - Arkansas Offers a Look Under the Hood of its ESA Program
Daion L. Daniels, Director of Research for the Indiana Department of Education, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the Arkansas Education Freedom Accounts Program, which documents how many students took advantage of the Arkansas choice program, and its results in student achievement. The 2024-25 Arkansas Education Freedom Accounts Program Annual Report, co-written with Alison Heape Johnson, Joshua B. McGee, and Patrick J. Wolf, is available now. https://dese.ade.arkansas.gov/Files/2024-25_Arkansas_Education_Freedom_Accounts_Program_Annual_Report_100125_OSCPE.pdf
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Ep. 423 - Dec. 15, 2025 - Could End-of-Course Exams Revive Accountability in Massachusetts?
Martin R. West, the editor-in-chief of Education Next, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the new Massachusetts state high school graduation framework, which will replace the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System (MCAS) exam.
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Ep. 422 - Dec. 8, 2025 - Community Colleges Are Bearing the Brunt of Postsecondary Enrollment Declines
Joshua Goodman, an associate professor of education and of economics at Boston University Wheelock College of Education & Human Development, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Goodman's latest research, which looks into how the job market can impact college enrollment in two-year institutions. "Labor Market Strength and Declining Community College Enrollment," co-written with Joseph Winkelmann, is available now at NBER. https://www.nber.org/papers/w34498
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Ep. 421 - Dec. 1, 2025 - “Charters Are in an Environment Rich with Opportunities”
Derrell Bradford, the president of 50CAN, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the state of charter schools in 2025, and where the sector can go as more school choice options become available for families.
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Ep. 420 - Nov. 24, 2025 - How Does Weighted Student Funding Work?
An adjunct professor at Johns Hopkins School of Education and the former superintendent of Seattle Public Schools, Joseph Olchefske, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss weighted student funding, and how it can best be implemented to increase student achievement.
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Ep. 419 - Nov. 17, 2025 - Does the U.S. Department of Education Help Student Achievement?
Rocco E. Testani, the co-leader of the Eversheds Sutherland Business and Commercial Litigation team, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the history of the U.S. Department of Education, its impact on student achievement and President Trump's efforts to shut the department down.
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Ep. 418 - Nov. 10, 2025 - The Future of the Federal Role in Education
Thiru Vignarajah, the former Deputy Attorney General of Maryland and the former Law Clerk to Justice Stephen Breyer, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the implications for dismantling or abolishing the U.S. Department of Education.
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Ep. 417 - Nov. 3, 2025 - Who Are Schools Really For?
Vladimir Kogan, a Professor in the Department of Political Science at Ohio State University, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Kogan's new book, "No Adult Left Behind: How Politics Hijacks Education Policy and Hurts Kids"
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Ep. 416 - Oct. 27, 2025 - When Radicals Dreamed Big About Better Student Outcomes
Joseph P. Viteritti, the Thomas Hunter Professor of Public Policy at Hunter College in New York, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Viteritti's new book, Radical Dreamers: Race, Choice, and the Failure of American Education.
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Ep. 415 - Oct. 20, 2025 - The Education Exchange: After Mahmoud, How Far Will the Parent “Opt-Out” Movement Go?
Clint Bolick, the 44th Justice of the Arizona Supreme Court, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how the Supreme Court has shifted its stance on school choice and religious freedom in education in the United States over the years.
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Ep. 414 - Oct. 14, 2025 - How Valuable Are Credentials as an Alternative Career Pathway?
Matt Sigelman, the President of the Burning Glass Institute, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss online courses and certificates, and how many are not delivering the skills employers need. Sigelman's report, "Holding New Credentials Accountable for Outcomes: We Need Evidence-Based Funding Models," co-written with Mark Schneider, Shrinidhi Rao, Scott Spitze, and Debbie Wasden, is available now. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6197797102be715f55c0e0a1/t/684c1077d4373f18701f76ee/1749815416101/Holding+New+Credentials+Accountable+For+Outcomes.pdf
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Ep. 413 - Oct. 6, 2025 - Arkansas Makes Case for Benefits of ESAs
Patrick J. Wolf, a professor of Education Policy at the University of Arkansas, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Wolf’s new research, which investigates the effect of education savings accounts in the state of Arkansas. "2024-25 Arkansas Education Freedom Accounts Program Annual Report," co-written with Daion L. Daniels, Alison Heape Johnson and Joshua B. McGee, is available now. https://scdp.uark.edu/2024-25-arkansas-education-freedom-accounts-program-annual-report/
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Ep. 412 - Sept. 29, 2025 - Men and Women are More Equal and More Different Than Ever
Robert Henderson, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the growing political divide between men and women in the United States. Henderson's article, "The book that showed me manhood has to be created," is available now at The Boston Globe.
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Ep. 411 - Sept. 22, 2025 - How to Save a School District
Alberto Carvalho, Superintendent of Los Angeles Unified School District., joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how the district has worked to turn around lower performing schools.
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Ep. 410 - Sept. 15, 2025 - NAEP Scores of Graduating Seniors Continue to Fall
Martin R. West, the editor-in-chief of Education Next and member of the National Assessment Governing Board, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the latest release of National Assessment of Educational Progress data.
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Ep. 409 - Sept. 8, 2025 - Peeling Back the Curtain on the “Science” Funded by NSF
Heather Mac Donald, the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Mac Donald's recent article, which is critical of the changes the Trump Administration has made with the National Science Foundation. Mac Donald's article, "Trump Takes on Big Science," is available now from City Journal. https://www.city-journal.org/article/trump-national-science-foundation-education-grant-funding
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Ep. 408 - Sept. 3, 2025 - As Trump Continues the Fight with Higher Ed, Will Harvard Be the Next Domino to Fall?
Ilya Marritz, an independent journalist, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Marritz's recent reporting on the relationship between Alan Garber, the president of Harvard University, and Jay Bhattacharya, who is currently the director of the National Institutes of Health. Marritz's article, "Alan Garber's former student now holds the keys to Harvard's future," is available now from The Boston Globe. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/08/11/metro/alan-garbers-former-student-now-holds-keys-harvards-future/
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Ep. 407 - Aug. 25, 2025 - Make School Boards Matter
Scott R. Levy, an Adjunct Lecturer at the Harvard Graduate School of Education, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Levy's new book, Why School Boards Matter: Reclaiming the Heart of American Education and Democracy.
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Ep. 406 - Aug. 18, 2025 - Why Not Choose Public Schools?
Brian Stephens, the CEO of Caissa K12, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how public schools can make themselves more appealing to students and parents as vouchers and tax credits becomes more popular across the country.
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Ep. 405 - Aug. 11, 2025 - Did Columbia Capitulate or Correct Course?
Paul Carrese, a Professor in the School of Civic & Economic Thought and Leadership at Arizona State University, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Columbia University's recent $200 million settlement with the Trump administration.
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Ep. 404 - Aug. 4, 2025 - What Will States Do With the New Federal Choice Program?
Derrell Bradford, the president of 50CAN, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how states might react to the new tax credit scholarship provision that was part of budget reconciliation bill, which was passed by Congress and signed into law on July 4, 2025.
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Ep. 403 - July 28, 2025 - How Will the Next Mayor of New York City Govern Its Public Schools?
Ester Fuchs, Professor of International and Public Affairs and Political Science at Columbia University, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the New York City mayoral race, and what it could mean for education in the city.
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Ep. 402 - July 21, 2025 - Free Inquiry on the Ropes in the Academy
Robert Maranto, the 21st Century Chair in Leadership in the Department of Education Reform at the University of Arkansas, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the Free Inquiry Papers, a project which looks into how freedom of expression was suppressed at institutions of higher education, and how universities can change course. "The Free Inquiry Papers: How to Bring Back Free Inquiry," co-written with Sally Satel, Catherine Salmon, and Lee Jussim, is available now. https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/the-free-inquiry-papers-how-to-bring-back-free-inquiry/
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Ep. 401 - July 14, 2025 - “Congress Swung for the Fences on School Choice and Hit a Single”
Robert Enlow, the President and CEO of EdChoice, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss the tax credit scholarship provision that was part of budget reconciliation bill, which was passed by Congress and signed into law on July 4, 2025.
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Ep. 400 - July 7, 2025 - Magnet Schools: The Dark Horse of School Choice
Matthew Lenard, an assistant professor of education leadership and policy studies at Florida State University, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Lenard's latest research, which investigates the impact of magnet schools on student learning. "The Attraction of Magnet Schools: Evidence from Embedded Lotteries in School Assignment," co-written with Umut Dur, Robert G. Hammond, Melinda Morrill, Thayer Morrill, and Colleen Paeplow, is available now as part of the Program on Education Policy and Governance Conference Papers Series. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/Taubman/PEPG/research/PEPG25_15.pdf
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Ep. 399 - June 30, 2025 - Public School Enrollments Down 2 Percent Since 2020
"School Enrollment Shifts Five Years After the Pandemic," co-written with Abigail Francis, is available now. https://wheelockpolicycenter.org/high-quality-education/school-enrollment-shifts-five-years-after-the-pandemic/
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Ep. 398 - June 23, 2025 - One Big Beautiful Tax Credit Scholarship?
Jim Blew, co-founder of the Defense of Freedom Institute, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss a school choice provision in H.R. 1, the U.S. House reconciliation bill that has moved to the U.S. Senate, and its potential impact on education.
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Ep. 397 - June 16, 2025 - The Illusion of Local Control of Schools
Vladimir Kogan, a Professor in the Department of Political Science at Ohio State University, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss a new report which finds that half of school board election races go uncontested and that incumbents are reelected more than 80 percent of the time when they run. The report, "High Turnover with Low Accountability: Local School Board Elections in 16 States," co-written with Stéphane Lavertu and Zachary Peskowitz, is available here. https://edworkingpapers.com/ai25-1213
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Ep. 396 - June 9, 2025 - Opportunity Knocked for Universal Vouchers in North Carolina, and Parents Answered
Anna J. Egalite, a Professor in the Department of Educational Leadership, Policy, and Human Development in the College of Education at North Carolina State University joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how the Covid-19 pandemic has helped drive school choice in the state of North Carolina.
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Ep. 395 - June 2, 2025 - Public Broadly Supports School Choice Despite Persistent Partisan Gaps
Paul DiPerna, the Vice President of Research and Innovation for EdChoice, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss how public opinion has shaped the conversation around school choice in the United States.
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Ep. 394 - May 27, 2025 - Who Are the Homeschoolers?
Angela R. Watson, a senior research fellow at the Johns Hopkins Institute for Education Policy, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Watson's recent research on how homeschooling has grown, and how students and parents measure success.
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Ep. 393 - May 19, 2025 - Blacks Progressed More Rapidly Before Affirmative Action than Since
Jason Riley, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a columnist for the Wall Street Journal, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Riley’s new book, The Affirmative Action Myth: Why Blacks Don't Need Racial Preferences to Succeed.
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Ep. 392 - May 12, 2025 - Can Vouchers Forge Pathways to College?
David Figlio, the Gordon Fyfe Professor of Economics and Education at the University of Rochester, joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss Figlio's latest report, which investigates the effects of a Ohio school voucher program on student college success. The Effects of Ohio’s EdChoice Voucher Program on College Enrollment and Graduation, co-written with Matthew Chingos and Krzysztof Karbownik, is available now. https://www.urban.org/research/publication/effects-ohios-edchoice-voucher-program-college-enrollment-and-graduation
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Ep. 391 - May 5, 2025 - “We Knew from the Beginning Closing Schools Would Be Bad for Kids”
David Zweig joins Paul E. Peterson to discuss new book, An Abundance of Caution: American Schools, the Virus, and a Story of Bad Decisions, and how the U.S. response to Covid-19 became shaped by politics.
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