The Grill Room

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Julia and Dylan reunite to dig into The New York Times’s pivot to a video-first model—confirmed this week by executive editor Joe Kahn, who’s likening the shift to the paper’s move from print to digital. They discuss what it means for the Times’s business and marketing strategy, what happens to newsroom culture when a star system takes hold, and what the move portends for journalism writ large. They also touch on Netflix’s upcoming earnings and what they’re likely to reveal about the state of streaming.

The New York Times’ Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan join Dylan for an inside look at their new book, ‘Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump,’ which moved an extraordinary 300,000 copies in its first week. They shed light on their reporting process, why the book has cut through despite widespread Trump fatigue in media, where their reporting partnership goes from here, and more.

Julia and Dylan reunite to talk through the implications of the Comcast-NBCUniversal split—a move that could actually reposition NBCU as a buyer rather than an acquisition target, with Netflix and Amazon among the potential suitors. Then they turn to a revealing Beehiiv report on the newsletter business, and break down why niche topics like finance and investing are dominating the industry leaderboard.

Campbell Brown, the former CNN veteran and founder of Forum AI, joins Dylan to explain why A.I. companies shouldn’t be trusted to evaluate themselves—and why the industry’s self-grading habit may be its worst blind spot. Then they debate whether media outlets that are hesitant to reckon with A.I. are just accelerating their own obsolescence. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Julia and Dylan reconvene to pull on every thread from The New York Times’ sprawling exposé on former Athletic reporter Dianna Russini. They dig into the journalism scandal at the heart of the piece, what it really means to be an insider versus a reporter, and how The Times balances standards and ethics as it grows its business, courts new audiences, and elevates its own stars—all while protecting the legacy institution it’s built. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Lulu Cheng Meservey, the communications guru and founder of Rostra, joins Dylan to make the case that traditional media and P.R. are dead, and that founders are better off talking directly to their audiences than waiting for others to tell their story. She breaks down how to balance the demands of publicity with actually building a worthwhile product, and suggests why founders who show up, build trust, and align their incentives tend to win in the long run. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Dylan and Julia trade notes on a gigantic week in media: Lachlan Murdoch’s $22 billion move on Roku, Jay Penske scooping up the Vox Media scraps, and the tortured hunt for a new No. 2 to run CNN and CBS with Bari Weiss.  See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Versant C.E.O. Mark Lazarus joins Dylan to make the bull case for the cable business everyone keeps pronouncing dead, and his four-vertical strategy anchored by MS Now, CNBC, Golf Channel, and Fandango. They also discuss MS Now’s digital expansion, Crooked Media’s licensing deal, and other media topics du jour. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Dylan and Julia relive the Knicks' instant-classic Game 4 win at MSG and break down the cultural spectacle that is Celebrity Row. They then dive into the latest seismic shocks in the creator economy: CAA and Integrated Media's $250 million venture, Billy Parks' Creator Studios at Fox, and the Times' plan for Substack creators. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Dylan sits down with Fox One head Pete Distad to discuss why the World Cup is a make-or-break moment for Fox's streaming service. They dive into the platform's new features designed to pull in and retain fans and why sports fans are sticking around for Fox News in greater numbers than anticipated. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Dylan and Julia sit down to discuss the chaos unfolding at CBS, with the addition of Nick Bilton and the loss of Scott Pelley et al. They talk about how strong-minded leadership without relevant experience might impact the network's ability to retain top talent going forward and whether the still-valuable 60 Minutes brand can survive its reinvention. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Dylan and Julia welcome tech reporter Joanna Stern, who after 12 years at the Wall Street Journal recently went independent — launching a newsletter called New Things, joining NBC News as a contributor, and publishing a new book on A.I., I Am Not a Robot. They also get into the state of A.I. wearables and the role of A.I. agents in decision-making at all levels. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Dylan and Julia get right down to brass tacks with the latest shocks in the  Bari Weiss–CBS News psychodrama: the firing of Sharyn Alfonsi and Cecilia Vega, and the stunning appointment of Nick Bilton—a magazine journalist without TV news experience—to replace Tanya Simon as executive producer. Then they turn to the challenges of managing a news program, the friction between staff and new leadership at ‘60 Minutes,’ and whether Bari and Bilton will save or kill the half-century-old franchise. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠⁠

Media investor and new BuzzFeed majority stakeholder Byron Allen joins Dylan to discuss his plans for the platform—and his long-term goal of building the world’s biggest media company. They discuss how the acquisition could help boost awareness for his app, Local Now, and his plan to ultimately turn BuzzFeed into a free streaming service (like YouTube) to appeal to advertisers and content creators. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Julia and Dylan get into the potential final death of the search traffic era, courtesy of Google I/O, and what it means for digital publishers and news media at large. They also discuss the week's buying and selling frenzy — New York Magazine and BuzzFeed both changing hands — and Barbara Peng's exit from Business Insider. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Dylan Byers sits down with tech journalist Alex Heath, founder of the Sources newsletter, to discuss the impact of A.I. tools like Claude and WhisperFlow for efficiency in reporting. He also talks about what it actually takes to go independent: risk tolerance, revenue instincts, and a willingness to rewire how you work. Plus, the importance of adapting to A.I. advancements and the evolving role of agents in media consumption. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Dylan and Julia dive right in to discuss Byron Allen's eye-popping $120 million purchase of BuzzFeed, a legacy media brand that has seen better days. They also look into the New York Times' decision to license Wordle to NBC and analyze how the outlet has made use of its growing IP. The conversation also covers CNN's new weather app and culminates in some well-earned optimism about the New York Knicks' chances in the NBA playoffs. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

In this special bonus episode of The Grill Room, presented by Paramount+, Julia Alexander convenes a star-studded panel of female cast members from the Taylor Sheridan cinematic universe—Ali Larter, Beau Garrett, Michelle Randolph, Nicole Kidman, and Zoe Saldaña—to discuss their career journeys and the challenges they’ve surmounted to bring their characters to life. They also speak candidly about playing complex characters in the male-dominated settings of Western shows and their strong working relationships with Sheridan himself.

Dylan is joined by Puck's own John Ourand and CNBC's Alex Sherman to discuss the tensions around NFL broadcast rights as upfront season gets into full swing in New York, including the standoff between legacy networks and streamers gunning for more games. They also discuss how Roger Goodell is navigating these talks, where Rupert Murdoch fits in, and what's at stake as NFL rights become the ultimate prize. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Julia and Dylan chew over James Murdoch’s expected $300 million-plus acquisition of New York magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. They discuss what the deal signals about Murdoch’s true ambitions—whether he'll embrace a journalism-first approach á la The Atlantic or adopt Jay Penske’s events-driven playbook—and what it means for New York magazine’s legacy identity moving forward. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Political scientist David Sterrett joins Dylan and Julia to discuss the findings of his latest data-driven report, which suggests we’ve officially crossed the Rubicon on creators and influencers becoming a primary news source for Americans, particularly younger audiences. They dig into why trust in creators has seemingly surpassed trust in traditional news outlets, what’s driving people toward the authenticity and transparency creators offer, and why legacy media brands are increasingly building their businesses around star talent rather than institutional identity. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Julia and Dylan join forces to wrestle with A.I.'s growing footprint in journalism—and make the case for what real reporters still bring to the table that no artificial model can replicate. They also take stock of Substack’s current moment of uncertainty, prompted by The Ankler’s high-profile departure to Ben Thompson’s new platform Passport, and consider whether it’s time to hit the panic button on Substack. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠⁠

Trey Yingst, the leading war correspondent on Fox News, joins Dylan to talk about building one of the most prominent social media presences in TV news—and what his multiplatform reach means not just for his own profile but for Fox News as a whole. Yingst reflects on covering some of the world’s most consequential conflicts, including the U.S.-Iran war and the Israel-Gaza conflict, and makes the case for why social media and traditional broadcasting are more complementary than competitive. He also weighs in on maintaining journalistic integrity across platforms and the urgent, often overlooked issue of protecting journalists working in dangerous regions. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠

Julia and Dylan discuss Andreessen Horowitz’s new Twitter-based live show, Monitoring the Situation, and what it reveals about the steep challenges of building influence in a hyper-fragmented media landscape. They also weigh in on the ego dynamics powering the live streaming boom, social media’s grip on C.E.O. culture, the role legacy media plays in fueling the very shows that claim to be replacing it, and much more. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠

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Ben Collins, C.E.O. of The Onion, joins Dylan to make sense of their acquisition of Infowars and the purpose driving it. Collins walks through the legal and financial complexity of redirecting money to Sandy Hook families owed damages by a bankrupt Alex Jones, including the unique $500,000 six-month licensing deal at the center of it. They also discuss The Onion’s successful pivot to user-supported media—and why, in an era of rampant misinformation, satire has never felt more necessary. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠

Julia Alexander and Dylan Byers weigh in on Jim Bankoff’s looming sale of Vox Media’s assets—including its podcast network and New York magazine—and the field of potential buyers circling the deal. They also discuss how A.I. is reshaping the business and audience dynamics of journalism, the return of Brian Williams on Netflix, the latest wave of industry layoffs, and much more. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠

Former NBC News chief Noah Oppenheim joins Dylan to assess the slow fade of linear TV news—and what legacy players like NBC, CBS, and CNN can do to stay relevant. Noah’s playbook: lean into tentpoles like NBC’s ‘Today’ and CBS’s ‘60 Minutes,’ invest in premium video content, adapt to the way people actually consume media now, and, perhaps most importantly, develop a point of view audiences can’t get anywhere else—à la Fox News. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠

The legendary Chris Lehane, now OpenAI’s chief policy guy, makes the case for the company’s surprising, nine-figure acquisition of TBPN, the daily tech and business talk show. Then TBPN president Dylan Abruscato swings by to untangle the logic—and ambiguity—of their new partnership, how OpenAI could help supercharge growth, and what it all means for future tech-media entanglements. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at ⁠bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.⁠

Dylan and Julia reunite to scrutinize OpenAI’s baffling acquisition of TBPN—and the enduring notion that tech companies can fix media simply by owning it. They also weigh in on LinkedIn’s reported interest in Beehiiv, Versant’s grab for Vox Media’s podcast network, and the increasingly muddled media M&A landscape writ large. See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.

Gavin Purcell, co-founder of A.I. for Humans, joins Julia for a candid conversation about A.I.’s transformative—and destabilizing—impact on the creator economy, from lowering the barriers to entry for creators to questions about I.P., monetization, and control. They also weigh into the need for media companies to embrace the future of A.I. and invest in new technologies and talent. “See all the ways bp is driving American energy forward at bp.com/InvestingInAmerica.”

Former F.C.C. chairJessica Rosenworcel and former NPR chief Gary Knell join Dylan at the Common Sense Media Summit to discuss the precarious state of the agency under Brendan Carr. They scrutinize his aggressive posture toward broadcasters, the potential implications for the First Amendment, and the broader risks to democracy—while also exploring solutions to support local news, combat consolidation, and protect kids in an age of infinite slop.

On the Draymond Green Show, no topic is off limits. In this episode Draymond welcomes Skip Bayless to discuss Michael Jordan, Stephen A Smith, LeBron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, and they debate whether or not Draymond is really the dirtiest player of all time. 

Live from the Common Sense Media Summit in San Francisco, Attorneys General Rob Bonta and Raúl Torrez join Dylan to chart the jarring similarities between Big Tech and the tobacco industry. They discuss the ongoing lawsuits against companies like Meta and TikTok, the harmful effects of these platforms on children, the need for accountability and transparency, the challenge of regulating social media, the risk of the federal government preempting state laws, and more.

Julia and Dylan scrutinize CNN’s attempt to loosen the tie—turning Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper into something closer to podcast personalities in the mold of Pat McAfee and Joe Rogan. Naturally, the effort has invited ridicule—and raises a deeper question: does C.E.O. Mark Thompson’s vision align with what audiences actually want, and more importantly, what his audience needs?

Tyler Denk, founder and C.E.O. of Beehiiv, joins Dylan to make the case for what makes his platform the best bet for independent creators—and why it’s not to be compared to Substack, as it so often is. He also weighs in on Substack’s $1.1 billion valuation, the realities of monetizing audiences, and the long game for the creator economy writ large. Plus, his thoughts on scaling the business and why that’s the thing that keeps him up at night.

Julia and Dylan weigh into the increasingly uncanny world of generative A.I.—from the rise of A.I.-generated content flooding social media feeds to the technology’s influence on coverage of the war with Iran. They also discuss whether tech companies are sleepwalking toward a regulatory reckoning—and why the Oscars may soon look a lot like a sportsbook thanks to the rise of prediction markets.

Julia and Dylan return to the scene of the Paramount–Warner Bros. car crash: what it means for streaming, who wins and loses in a CNN-CBS combination, whether Jeff Shell gets the axe, and how the whole enchilada comes together.

Sam Feist, the C.E.O. of C-SPAN and former 33-year veteran of CNN, joins Dylan to discuss the long-whispered possibility (now reality) of a marriage between CNN and CBS—a concept that has quietly floated around the industry for more than 40 years. Feist explains why the broadcast reach of CBS and CNN’s global reporting capabilities could be uniquely complementary, what the union might look like under the Ellisons, and why trusted journalism matters more than ever in today's hyper-misinformation era. He also shares the new initiatives he’s implementing at C-SPAN, in an effort to foster bipartisan dialogue.

Dylan and Julia consider the fate of CNN under Ellison rule: the looming $6 billion in “synergies” menacing the newsroom, how cost cutting could impact staff, the stark realities of operating a pricey 24/7 network, and the mounting speculation surrounding whether Bari Weiss will turn the whole thing into CBS+.

Dylan welcomes Puck superfriends Matt Belloni and Bill Cohan to discuss every angle of the Paramount-WBD leveraged buyout: the Ellisons’ exorbitant $79 billion debt, Zaslav’s true legacy, and whether Netflix dodged a bullet. Then they dig into the industry reactions to the deal and its dire implications for Hollywood.

Julia and Dylan dive into the new partnership between Polymarket and Substack, and debate whether live markets actually make journalism better. Then they turn to the latest turbulence at The Washington Post after its recent town hall, and address the existential question: Is there anything Jeff Bezos can realistically do to steady the ship?

Reed Duchscher, C.E.O. of Night Media, joins Dylan and Julia to discuss his management firm’s recent $70 million raise—and what it signals about the next phase of his company and the creator economy writ large. A former manager of MrBeast, Duchscher explains why we’re unlikely to see another YouTube star of that scale, weighs the tension between volume and scarcity, and weighs into the rise of platforms like TikTok and Roblox, the future of independent political commentary, and more.

Julia and Dylan assess the state of CBS—and the media industry writ large—in the Trump II era, from the fallout over Stephen Colbert’s interview with James Talarico to Anderson Cooper’s stunning exit from 60 Minutes. They also assess the early numbers from Peacock’s “Legendary February,” the steep implications of Paramount’s renewed pursuit of WBD, what a WBD-PSKY merger could mean for CNN, and much, much more.

John Ourand and Julia Alexander dive into the biggest sports media storylines of the moment, from the forthcoming NFL rights negotiations and their sweeping implications to NBCUniversal’s “Legendary February” and Peacock’s ongoing subscriber challenges. They also discuss the NFL’s growing international ambitions, the competitive drag of NBA tanking, the Olympics, and much more.

Julia and Dylan to take stock of the week in media: Spotify’s rosy earnings report, NBC’s “Legendary February,” Peacock’s subscriber headaches, the enduring A.I.-media reckoning, and more. Plus, Dylan weighs in on what the future holds for the embattled Washington Post after a turbulent few weeks of layoffs and leadership upheaval.

NBC Sports president Rick Cordella joins Dylan to discuss a pivotal month for the network, from the Super Bowl to the Winter Olympics and the NBA All-Star Game. Cordella explains how live sports fuel subscriber growth for Peacock, often driving audiences to other programming, and reflects on the enduring value of broadcast television, the challenges of media fragmentation, the strategic importance of retaining premium sports rights, and more.

The Washington Post executive editor Matt Murray joins Dylan for an exclusive, wide-ranging conversation about the sweeping layoffs that reduced the newsroom by 300 journalists and a third of the company overall. Murray defends the restructuring as necessary to meet changing audience behavior and address financial strain, while arguing that recent subscriber gains signal a viable path to growth in the paper’s next chapter.

Julia and Dylan dig into the week’s most consequential media storylines: the mass layoffs at the Washington Post, Peacock’s pivotal month of sports programming, the ascension of Josh D’Amaro as Disney’s new C.E.O., and the growing question of whether ESPN will ultimately be spun off as Disney signals that its future lies beyond traditional television.