The PolicyViz Podcast
by The PolicyViz Podcast
Learn how to be a great data communicator and visualizer with host Jon Schwabish. Hear from experts in the fields of data science, data visualization, and presentation skills to improve how you and your organization collect, analyze, and communicate your data in better, more efficient, and more effective ways.
Episodes
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Who Has Power? Data, Democracy, and Economic Justice with Taifa Smith Butler
I talk with Taifa Smith Butler, president of Dēmos, about how data and research can help communities build economic and political power. We explore how Dēmos works with grassroots partners to shape research questions, put economic indicators in context, and make policy information useful to the...
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My Favorite Graphs: 512 Paths to the White House
In this My Favorite Graphs episode, I revisit the New York Times’ 2012 election visualization, 512 Paths to the White House, by Mike Bostock and Shan Carter. I walk through how its branching diagram shows the combinations of competitive states that could lead Barack Obama or Mitt Romney to…
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Making Nonprofit Work Easier with David Watters
In this episode, I talk with David Watters about making everyday work easier for nonprofits. We explore how side spreadsheets, repetitive reporting, and reliance on a few go-to people can hide the true cost of getting things done. David explains how he identifies a useful first improvement by...
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My Favorite Graphs: Driving Safety, In Fits and Starts
In this My Favorite Graphs episode, I revisit Hannah Fairfield’s 2012 New York Times graphic, Driving Safety, in Fits and Starts. I explain how its connected scatter plot pairs vehicle miles driven per capita with auto fatalities per 100,000 people, connecting each year to reveal changes over…
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Mike "SullyDawg" Sullivan: Explaining Trillion-Dollar Budgets with Solo Cups
In this week’s episode of the show, I talk with Mike "SullyDawg" Sullivan, the viral creator behind the cup pyramid videos that turn massive federal budget numbers into something you can actually see. Mike spent decades as a teacher and coach before a bike ride inspired his first video stacking...
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My Favorite Graphs: Stronger Together from The New York Times
In this My Favorite Graphs episode, I revisit a 2016 New York Times visualization comparing the convention speeches of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. I explain why highlighting phrases across miniature pages can reveal themes in qualitative data that word counts and bar charts can miss. I…
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Playfair, Power, and the People Behind the Data: Lauren Klein on Data by Design
Lauren Klein joins me to talk about her new book, Data by Design, co-authored with a team of student collaborators. Over more than a decade of work, Lauren set out to place the history of data visualization in its full historical and political context, going well beyond the familiar “great men”...
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My Favorite Graphs: The Guardian's "Bussed Out"
This week I kick off a new series on the show: My Favorite Graphs. I’m going to walk through the projects that shaped how I think about data visualization, data communication, and data storytelling. I'm starting with the Guardian's “Bussed Out: How America Moves Its Homeless,” published in…
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What Data Communicators Can Learn from Speech-Language Pathology
In this very special episode of the podcast, I talk with my wife, Lauren Schwabish, a speech-language pathologist who helps adults recover communication after stroke, traumatic brain injury, and other neurological conditions. We discuss person-centered care, translating medical jargon into plain...
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New Season, New Format: Live Shows, Accessibility, and My Favorite Dataviz
Welcome back to Season 13 of the PolicyViz Podcast! In this quick solo kickoff, I walk you through everything I have planned this season, from a full episode on accessibility in data communication to a brand-new weekly series where I talk through some of my favorite data visualizations from the...
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The Math Behind Beautiful Color: David Aerne on Building Open-Source Color Tools
Welcome to the final episode of Season #12 of the PolicyViz Podcast! Thanks so much for checking out the show this season and I hope you enjoy your summer. I’ll be back this fall with more great episodes. On this episode of the show, I’m joined by David Aerne, a freelance developer and designer...
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From Homework to Portfolio: NYC Open Data in the Classroom
Welcome back to the show! In this week’s episode, I chat with Christian Martinez, a faculty member at Brooklyn College and several other CUNY schools, and Shannon Joyce, a newly minted master’s graduate in psychological research—who, as we note at the top, literally graduated the day before we...
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Outlier 2026: What to Expect at This Year's Data Visualization Society Conference
Episode #310! This week I sit down with Jennifer Roscoe and Shrishti Vaish, two of the key organizers behind Outlier 2026, the annual data visualization conference hosted by the Data Visualization Society. We talked about what it takes to pull off a fully virtual, global conference, and why going...
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Reimagining Civic Participation: The Digital Democracy Project
I talk with Ramon Perez, Executive Director of the Digital Democracy Project this week. DDP is a nonpartisan nonprofit using secure mobile voting technology to give citizens a real-time voice in legislation. Ramon explains how the platform lets verified, registered voters weigh in on bills being...
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Mapping the Invisible: Inside the Atlas of Macroscopes
Welcome back to the show! This week, I sit down with three co-authors of the Atlas of Macroscopes—Katy Borner, Elizabeth Record, and Todd Theriault from the Cyberinfrastructure for Network Science Center at Indiana University—to explore what a macroscope actually is and how it differs from a...
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Data Vandals: Taking Data Visualization Off the Screen and Into the Streets
In this episode, I sat down with Jen Ray and Jason Forrest—the married duo behind Data Vandals—to talk about their remarkable approach to bringing data visualization off the screen and into the physical world. What started as a pandemic-era poster campaign in New York City evolved into street...
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Why Government Makes Things Hard: Don Moynihan on Administrative Burden
In this episode, I chat with Don Moynihan, professor of public policy at the University of Michigan and author of the widely-read Substack newsletter Can We Still Govern? Don’s research focuses on administrative burdens—the learning, compliance, and psychological costs people experience when...
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AI, Dashboards, and Human Decisions: A Conversation with Melanie Tory
In this week’s episode, I talk with Melanie Tory, Professor of the Practice at Northeastern University, about how people actually use dashboards in the real world — and why that use often looks very different from what designers intend. Her research reveals that dashboards frequently serve as a...
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From PDFs to Pit Lane: Building a Real-Time Data Product for McLaren Racing
In this week’s episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I chat with Michael Gethers, former Head of Data & Strategy for the McLaren IndyCar team, about how a personal side project analyzing IndyCar timing PDFs turned into a job building real-time data tools for a professional race team. We dig into what...
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The People's Data: Why Federal Data Matters More Than Ever with Nick Hart
In this episode, I talk with Nick Hart, President and CEO of the Data Foundation, about the rapidly changing landscape of federal data, statistical agencies, and evidence-based policymaking. We explore how the Evidence Act reshaped government data infrastructure, why privacy protections and data...
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Dashboards That Deliver: A Conversation with Amanda Makulec
In this episode, I talk with Amanda Makulec about what it really takes to design dashboards and data products that people can understand and use. We dig into why so many dashboards fail, how designers and analysts often misjudge their audiences, and what it means to take a truly human-centered...
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The Future of America's Data: Policy, Risk, and Resilience with Denice Ross
In this episode, I talk with Denice Ross about the fragile state of federal data and her new work at DataIndex. We discuss how the removal, alteration, or disruption of federal data collections and data products affects research, policymaking, businesses, and everyday life. Denice explains the...
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Before & After: Inside the New Book from the Storytelling with Data Team
In this episode, I’m joined by Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic and Mike Cisneros from Storytelling with Data to talk about their new book, Before & After. We dig into where the examples came from, how they selected and refined real client work, and why the book focuses so heavily on process rather than...
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Radical Cartography: What Maps Show, What They Hide, and Why It Matters
In this episode, I sit down with Bill Rankin, historian of science at Yale and author of Radical Cartography, to unpack what maps really do beyond simply showing data. We talk about why mapping is an act of representation with real consequences, how common techniques like choropleths and…
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Why Federal Statistics Matter: Rob Santos on Trust, Data Integrity, and the Future of the Census
This is the final episode of 2026! I hope you have enjoyed the show this year and also hope you have a great holiday season and happy new year. In this episode, I sit down with former Census Bureau Director Rob Santos to talk about the state of federal statistics, what’s threatening the quality…
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Flourish, Canva, and the Future of Data Storytelling: Duncan Clark Returns to the Podcast
In this episode, I’m thrilled to welcome back Duncan Clark from Flourish and Canva to talk about the incredible evolution of both tools over the past few years. We dig into how the Flourish and Canva teams have grown, how they now collaborate, and what that means for users who care about data...
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Inside IEEEVIS 2025: Key Themes, Best Papers, and the Future of Visualization
In this episode, I sit down with Alvitta Ottley and Paul Parsons to recap everything that happened at the 2025 IEEE VIS Conference in Vienna. We talk about our experiences co-organizing the VisCom workshop, the surprising attendance, and the standout keynote from Moritz Stefaner. Alvitta shares...
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Exploring Creative Data Visualization with Nadieh Bremer
In this episode, I sit down with Nadieh Bremer to talk about her new book, Chart, and the creative process behind her data visualization work. We discuss how she structures the book around a spectrum from straightforward charts to full-on data art, and why uncommon chart types can communicate...
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The Future of Dashboards, Data Apps, and AI with Plotly's Chris Parmer
In this week’s episode, I talk with Chris Parmer, co-founder of Plotly, about how the company is integrating AI into the next generation of data visualization and analytics tools. Chris walks me through the thinking behind Plotly Studio, their new AI-native environment where natural language...
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Beyond the Visual: How Tactile Maps Expand Data Accessibility
In this week’s episode, I welcome Jakub Wabiński and Vincent van Altena to the show to talk about their new book, Tactile Mapping. We explore how tactile and multisensory design can make maps—and data—more accessible for people with visual impairments and beyond. Jakub and Vincent share insights...
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Telling Stories with Maps: Allen Carroll on the Art of Map-Based Storytelling
Welcome back to the show! In this week’s episode, I chat with Allen Carroll, former Chief Cartographer at National Geographic and part of Esri’s StoryMapsteam. We talk about his new book, Telling Stories with Maps, which explores how maps can communicate meaning, emotion, and narrative. Allen...
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Fiscal Policy, Data, and Democracy: Insights from Former CBO Director Doug Elmendorf
Welcome back to the show! In this week's episode, I sit down with Doug Elmendorf, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, to talk about the impact of government shutdowns, the challenges of fiscal sustainability, and the importance of independent statistical agencies. We discuss how...
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From Data Literacy to Storytelling: Insights from The Little Book of Data
In this week's episode of the show, I sit down with Justin Evans, author of The Little Book of Data, to talk about what it means to truly think like a data person. Justin shares insights from his 20-year career in data and advertising, reflecting on why so many professionals struggle to embrace...
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Economic Data Under Fire: Accuracy, Trust, and Transparency with David Wessel
In this episode of the show, I talk with David Wessel from the Brookings Institution about the state of the US economy, the reliability of government statistics, and why trust in data matters more than ever. We cover the latest job numbers and what downward revisions mean, the pressures facing...
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Inside the BLS: William Beach on Trust, Data, and the Future of Federal Statistics
In this episode, I sit down with William Beach, former Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to dig into how America’s most important economic data are produced. We talk about the nuts and bolts of how the BLS jobs numbers are collected, processed, and released, as well as why revisions...
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Why the BLS Matters with Former Commissioner Erica Groshen
This is a very special episode of the PolicyViz Podcast. I’m joined by Erica Groshen, former Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics to talk about the latest jobs report and what the numbers really mean for the state of the economy, including why revisions are an essential part of getting...
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Season 12 Premiere!
I’m excited to kick off Season 12 of the PolicyViz Podcast! In this short premiere, I share a few personal and professional updates and preview what’s ahead on the show. This season, I’ll focus on three big themes: changes to the U.S. federal data and statistical agency ecosystem, a wave of new...
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Shirley Wu on Data, Art, and Innovation in Visualization
Welcome to the Season 11 Finale of the PolicyViz Podcast! I’m ready for a summer break and am super excited to close the season talking with Shirly Wu—data visualization artist, technologist, and community thought leader. We talk about Shirley’s journey from creating vibrant, web-based data...
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Edward Tufte: Designing with Data, Art, and Purpose
In this week’s episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I am reposting my 2015 interview with Edward Tufte, one of the pioneers of data visualization and author of seminal books like The Visual Display of Quantitative Information. At the time, Tufte was a well-known and hugely influential figure in the...
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From Tableau to AI: Where Data Visualization Is Headed with Andy Kirk
My friend Andy Kirk joins the show to reflect on the changing landscape of data visualization. We discuss the evolution of tools like Tableau and Flourish, the dispersion of social media communities, and how, how AI is reshaping workflows and data visualization. Andy shares insights from his...
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Drawing Data with Dragons: Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic on Teaching Kids and Adults Alike
In this episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic joins me to discuss the evolution of her work in data storytelling—from corporate workshops to her newest venture into children’s literature. We explore how the pandemic transformed training formats, the collaborative nature of her...
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Amanda Cox on Data Journalism, AI, and Democratizing Design
Amanda Cox reflects on her career path from the New York Times to Bloomberg News, highlighting her efforts to make data more accessible and meaningful through journalism. We dive into the shifts in data journalism—from scarce print real estate to the rise of AI tools—and how these transitions...
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Data for a Continent: Inside the European Correspondent's Visual Journalism
In this episode, I chat with Mandy Spaltman and Sebastian Graeff, co-leads of the data team at The European Correspondent, a volunteer-driven journalism initiative covering news across Europe. They discuss how their team of passionate designers and analysts craft daily data visualizations, their...
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Data Are Local: Context, Power, and Storytelling with Yanni Loukissas
In this episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I speak with Yanni Loukissas, an Associate Professor at Georgia Tech, about the importance of context in working with data. Yanni argues that data are not universal but local—shaped by their origins, environments, and the intentions of those who collect...
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Exploring the Evolution of Data Visualization with Moritz Stefaner
In this week’s episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I sit down with data visualization expert Moritz Stefaner to reflect on his journey in the field. We discuss Stefaner's work on the Data Stories Podcast, his shift from bespoke data visualization projects to scalable design systems, and his...
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Engage, Elevate, Communicate: Davina Stanley on Crafting Clear Business Messages
In this episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I chat with communication expert Davina Stanley about the power of clear and structured messaging in business communication. Davina shares insights from her books Engage and Elevate, discussing how leaders and teams can improve their communication...
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Mapping Inequality: Braden Crooks on Redlining and Urban Transformation
In this week’s episode of the PolicyViz Podcast, I speak with Braden Crooks, co-founder of Designing the We, about their project Undesign the Redline, an interactive exhibit that explores the history and lasting impact of redlining in the U.S. Braden shares how his background in landscape...
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Revolutionizing Web Development: Rich Harris on Svelte's Creation and Impact
Rich Harris, creator of the Svelte framework, stops by the podcast to talk about his work. Rich shares how Svelte originated from his work in newsrooms at The Guardian and The New York Times, where he developed tools for building interactive data visualizations under tight deadlines. We talk…
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Kevin Wee's Tableau Journey in Visualization and Innovation
Happy New Year, everyone! I hope you’re having a great start to 2025 and are poised to have a happy, healthy, and successful year. I’m excited to start off the podcast this year with my friend Kevin Wee, a Tableau creator and visualizer, who shares his journey into data visualization. Kevin’s...
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Unlocking Data Communication: Unleashing the Power of R with David Keyes
The PolicyViz Podcast wraps up 2024 with David Keyes, author of the new book, R for the Rest of Us: A Statistics-Free Introduction! We not only talk about how you can get started in R using David’s book, but also building data and data visualization workflows with R, RMarkdown, and Quarto. We…
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