The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!For this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, we’re talking about something most of us wrestle with: how to measure progress in a healthy way.In a culture obsessed with instant results, it’s easy to believe we’re failing when growth feels slow. But whether it’s physical training, spiritual formation, emotional health, or leadership development, the deepest transformation usually happens quietly over time.Using ultra marathon training as a backdrop, Paul explores why daily measurements can be discouraging, why “invisible growth” still matters, and how God often works beneath the surface long before fruit becomes visible.If you’ve ever felt frustrated by slow progress in your faith, leadership, healing, or personal growth, this episode is a reminder that consistency matters more than quick results — and that deep roots grow slowly.In this episode:Why daily metrics can distort our perspectiveThe danger of measuring our souls like social mediaWhat endurance training teaches us about spiritual growthSigns of real transformation that often go unnoticedHow Jesus described Kingdom growth in Mark 4Why slow growth is still healthy growthThe difference between becoming impressive and becoming wholeKey Quote:“Formation is usually boring before it becomes beautiful.”Scripture Reference:Mark 4:26–29⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!We live on a planet sustained by five great oceans. But what sustains the human soul?In this episode, Paul shares how a simple morning rhythm—shaped through the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises and grounded in everyday objects—has become a pathway to deeper attachment with Christ.A candle.A cup of coffee.A faithful companion named Eden.A chair.And above all… Christ.These five “Cs” have become daily reminders that God’s presence still meets us in ordinary places.If you’ve been feeling spiritually dry, emotionally tired, or mentally cluttered, this episode is a reminder that renewal often doesn’t come through dramatic breakthroughs—it comes through simple, consistent return.In This Episode:Why ordinary objects can become sacred remindersHow God’s light pushes back inner darknessThe warmth and filling presence of GodJesus as the Companion who stays closeLearning to rest your full weight in God’s careWhy Christ is the center of every sustaining rhythmHow to build your own daily reminders of graceKey Scripture References:John 1:5Psalm 23:5Proverbs 18:24Matthew 11:28–30Colossians 1:17Memorable Line:Sustainable faith is rarely built in dramatic moments. It’s built in daily returning.If this episode encouraged you, share it with someone who’s been running on empty.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!We live in a world built for speed—instant answers, constant connection, and endless noise. But what if all that “progress” is quietly costing us something deeper?In this episode, Paul explores the tension between the fast-paced superhighways we’ve grown used to and the ancient paths God invites us to walk. Through a simple but powerful question—Could you go back to life without your smartphone?—we begin to uncover just how much our habits have shaped us.Anchored in Jeremiah 6:16, this conversation doesn’t just highlight the beauty of the ancient path—it confronts the reality that most people won’t choose it. But for those who do? There’s a kind of rest waiting that no amount of speed or convenience can ever provide.🔑 Key TakeawaysFaster isn’t always betterJust because something is efficient doesn’t mean it’s forming you in the right direction.Our habits shape our expectationsWhat we’ve grown used to (speed, convenience, distraction) has rewired what feels “normal.”Spiritual depth requires a different paceStillness, silence, and waiting aren’t setbacks—they’re pathways.Most people won’t choose the ancient pathNot because they can’t—but because they won’t slow down enough to walk it.Rest is promised—but only on that pathGod doesn’t just offer direction… He offers restoration.📖 Scripture FocusJeremiah 6:16 – The invitation to walk the ancient paths—and the sobering reality that many refuse.💡 Reflection QuestionsWhere in your life have you traded depth for speed?What feels hardest about slowing down right now?If you’re honest, are you admiring the ancient path… or actually walking it?What’s one small step you could take today to choose a slower, more intentional rhythm?🛠️ Simple Practice (Start Today)5-Minute ResetPut your phone in another roomSit quietly with GodRead a short passage of ScriptureDon’t rush—just notice His presenceIt might feel unfamiliar… but that’s how new (ancient) rhythms begin.🔁 Share & SubscribeIf this episode challenged or encouraged you, share it with a friend who might be feeling the weight of a fast-paced life. And don’t forget to subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.🎙️ Closing ThoughtThe world will keep inviting you to move faster.God is inviting you to walk deeper.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!We live in a world that rewards speed, noise, productivity, and visible results. So it makes sense that a lot of us have learned how to do things for God without really slowing down to be with God.In this conversation, Paul talks with Angela, a fellow doctoral cohort member, counselor, and woman of deep wisdom, about what it means to move beyond a checkbox faith and into a life of presence. Angela shares her story of coming to the helping professions later in life, how she bridges faith and counseling, and why intentional time with God changes the way we show up with people.They talk about the difference between information and transformation, the contagious nature of anxiety and peace, the tension between being and doing, and why the presence of God is not a luxury for helpers, but oxygen.This episode is especially for pastors, leaders, counselors, and caregivers, but really, it’s for anybody who knows what it feels like to be busy, spiritually dry, and hungry for something deeper.Key takeawaysYou can do helpful things without being deeply anchored in God, but it changes the quality of your presence.Being with Jesus is not wasted time. It shapes what you carry into every room.A non-anxious, non-pushy presence is one of the greatest gifts we can offer people.Spiritual practices are not meant to be dry checklists but relational spaces of encounter.Gratitude, walking, music, Scripture, stillness, and even imagination can all become ways of meeting with God.Identity must inform activity, not the other way around.Our culture trains us to chase information, but transformation often comes through presence.God is not frustrated with our slowness; He is patient, present, and inviting.Memorable lines / pull quotes“You can do without being, but it’s going to affect the integrity of your doing.”“When I’m connected with God, I feel like I have more to give.”“Has the good news reached your face?”“God has a non-pushy presence.”“Their quiet time was with Him.”“Identity informs activity.”“We are so busy doing things for God that we don’t even think about what we’re bringing into those things.”“It’s not just the fuel for the rest of your day. Jesus is going with you for the rest of your day.”⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Leadership pressure is unavoidable. Expectations, decisions, criticism, responsibility—it all adds weight. Most leaders spend their energy trying to reduce pressure, avoid pressure, or escape pressure.But what if pressure isn’t just something to eliminate?In this episode, we explore a different lens from James 1: pressure produces something in us. When handled well, the very things that squeeze leaders can actually shape their character, deepen their faith, and strengthen their endurance.Instead of asking, “How do I get rid of this pressure?” we learn to ask a better question:“What is God forming in me through this?”If you're leading anything—a church, a team, a family, or a ministry—this conversation will help you see leadership pressure in a whole new light.In This Episode:1. Pressure Reveals What’s Already in UsPressure acts like a spiritual MRI. It exposes what’s happening inside our hearts—our fears, our trust, our patience, and our insecurities. What rises under pressure shows us where God is still forming us.2. Pressure Builds Leadership EnduranceStrength rarely grows in comfort. Just like muscles develop under resistance, leaders develop perseverance through the weight of responsibility and the challenges they face.3. Pressure Deepens Our Dependence on GodPressure has a way of reminding leaders that the mission isn’t sustained by our strength alone. The moments that push us hardest often pull us back toward deeper reliance on God.Key Scriptures:James 1:2–4“Consider it pure joy whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance.”Luke 6:45“For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.”2 Corinthians 1:8–9“This happened that we might not rely on ourselves but on God.”Reflection Question for Leaders:Instead of asking “How do I escape this pressure?”, try asking: “What might God be producing in me through this?”⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!What if the very thing you think is protecting you as a leader is actually holding you back?In this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, Paul sits down with Natasha Skolny, a former professional ice skater who is now a leadership coach and founder of The Leadership Cabin. It's a wide-ranging, deeply practical conversation about authenticity, nervous system regulation, resilience, and what it really takes to lead people well.Natasha introduces the idea of “corporate armor”—the protective persona leaders put on to look competent, composed, and in control—and explains why that armor quietly erodes trust instead of building it. Together, Paul and Natasha explore why leaders are often promoted for control, but succeed long-term through connection.The conversation moves from boardrooms to locker rooms to ice baths, unpacking:Why vulnerability actually increases credibilityHow control and discipline are not the same thingWhat professional athletes understand about emotional regulationWhy breathwork, movement, and even cold plunging help leaders stay groundedHow stored emotion shows up in surprising (and often destructive) waysWhy the best leaders invest in coaches—and keep doing itHow Natasha helps young women reconnect with their voice, values, and directionThis episode is honest, hopeful, and highly practical—especially for leaders who are tired of pretending they’re fine and ready to lead from a healthier place.🔑 Key TakeawaysArmor creates distance; humanity builds trustWhat got you here won’t get you thereRegulation beats repression—every timeResilient leaders train their nervous systems, not just their skillsYou were never meant to lead alone🔗 Connect with NatashaWebsite: theleadershipcabin.comLinkedIn & YouTube & Instagram⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In a world more connected than ever, leadership has quietly become more distant.We have constant access to people—texts, emails, meetings, metrics—but proximity isn’t the same as presence. And when leaders begin leading from a distance, something subtle but serious happens: our decisions start to lose their soul.In this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, Paul Jenkins reflects on an often-overlooked moment in Exodus 28:30, where God instructs the high priest to wear the breastplate—the place of discernment—over the heart.That detail is more than symbolic. It’s formative.This episode explores why:Good decisions flow from a well-connected heartLeadership always moves in two directions—toward people and toward GodDistance shows up first in our decisionsVulnerability isn’t a soft skill, but a leadership necessityWhen leaders close the gap emotionally, relationally, and spiritually, people stop being projects and start being people again. Stories stay close. Pain stays human. Growth stays personal.If you’ve been feeling cynical, sharp, or detached in your leadership, this episode offers a hopeful invitation—not to work harder, but to move closer.Closer to God.Closer to people.Closer to the heart.Key TakeawaysYou can be around people and still not be with themDiscernment belongs near compassion, not distanceLeadership breaks down when either people or God drift from the heartVulnerability keeps decision-making human and God-honoringThe heart must stay involved for leadership to remain effectiveScripture ReferencedExodus 28:30Leadership Practice for the MonthWear the breastplate again.Let decisions be shaped by love.Lead with people, not over them.If this episode encouraged you, share it with someone you’re leading—or another leader who needs the reminder. And as always, keep giving God your best, and He’ll do the rest.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this episode, Paul sits down with Maggie Mastin — life coach, spiritual director, and director of career development at Indiana Wesleyan University — for a conversation that brings leadership back into the real world… your actual body.They explore what happens when leaders live from the neck up, why “slowing down” is more spiritual than it sounds, and how paying attention to physical sensations can become a surprising pathway to discernment, emotional health, and Spirit-led presence.This one is equal parts practical, pastoral, and (yes) a little funny—because apparently Paul still can’t do a British accent without getting roasted.What you’ll hear in this episodeWhy the body often reacts before the brain can explainThe tension between having a body and being a bodyA simple practice: noticing tightness, warmth, restlessness, or peace as “data”How to create slower space in leadership without getting weird about itA powerful moment from Paul’s church: anxiety in worship as discernment, not distractionSeasons of the soul: why you can’t live in “spring” foreverThe “embers and flames” metaphor for faith that sustains you over timeWhat farm life teaches about patience, limits, and trustWhy play and whimsy matter more than we admitPhotography as a “thin place”: capturing holy moments in ordinary lifeKey quotes (short and shareable)“Your body moves toward what you want before you can explain it.”“You’re not the season you’re in—but the season you’re in matters.”“You can’t have flame without ember.”“Pay attention to the tension.”Try this today (a 60-second practice)Before your next meeting, sermon prep session, or hard conversation:Take one slow breath.Ask: What’s happening in my body right now?Name it without fixing it (tight, heavy, energized, restless, calm).Ask: God, what are You inviting me into through this?About MaggieMaggie is a spiritual director, life coach, educator, and the director of career development at Indiana Wesleyan University. She helps people grow in self-awareness, discern their next steps, and live with greater integration—body, soul, and story.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, we dig into the difference between trending right (short-term hype, emotional highs, quick wins) and right trending —the slow, often unsexy work of real growth that actually changes your life.We even talk football.Yes, the Carolina Panthers lost—but somehow the future feels brighter. Why? Because improvement changes perspective. And the same is true for us.When we’re getting stronger—physically, emotionally, spiritually—it reshapes how we see setbacks, disappointments, and even losses. Progress breeds hope.In this episode, we explore:Why progress matters more than perfectionHow getting physically stronger can shift your mental and emotional outlookThe danger of confusing emotional spikes with true spiritual formationWhy fragmentation keeps us stuck—and integration sets us freeHow spiritual and emotional health grow best when they grow togetherWhat Scripture has to say about endurance, growth, and becoming wholeThis episode is for leaders, pastors, and everyday followers of Jesus who want more than a quick fix. It’s for those who are willing to play the long game—the Jesus way.Because the best lives aren’t lived when everything goes right…They’re lived when we’re right trending.Key Scripture:Romans 5:3–51 Timothy 4:8Philippians 1:6Listen & SubscribeIf this episode encouraged you:👍 Like the episode🔔 Subscribe to the podcast📤 Share it with someone who needs hope rooted in progressAnd as always—Keep giving God your best, and He’ll do the rest.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Emmanuel: The God Who Chose UsChristmas reminds us that God is not just with us—He wanted to be with us.In this special Christmas-week episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, we reflect on the meaning of Emmanuel and the often-overlooked truth behind it: God didn’t come reluctantly. He came willingly.Drawing from Philippians 2, this episode explores the humility of Jesus, the intentionality of the incarnation, and the deep comfort found in knowing that God chose proximity—not distance.Because there’s a big difference between someone being present…and someone wanting to be present.In This Episode:Why Emmanuel means more than “God is with us”The difference between presence and desire in relationshipsHow Philippians 2 reveals the heart behind the incarnationWhy Jesus’ humility points to God’s longing for closenessWhat it means to be wanted by God—especially when you feel overlookedKey Scripture:Matthew 1:23 – “They will call him Emmanuel (which means ‘God with us’).”Philippians 2:5–11 – The humility, obedience, and love of ChristBig Idea:God didn’t come because He had to.He came because He wanted to.Take a Moment:As you move through the busyness of Christmas, pause and sit with this truth:You are not an obligation to God.You are loved.You are wanted.Next Steps:Share this episode with someone who needs to hear they matterSubscribe to The Reluctant Leader PodcastLeave a review—it helps others find the showMerry Christmas from TRLP.Keep giving God your best—and He’ll do the rest.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, Paul unpacks a powerhouse Greek word hidden in Philippians — συναθλέω (soon-ath-LEH-oh), a term ripped straight from the ancient athletic arena. It doesn’t just mean “work hard for Jesus.” It means strive together — shoulder-to-shoulder, like teammates fighting for the same goal.Then we take that truth straight into Christmas. When Jesus was born, He wasn’t called “God with me.” He was named Immanuel — God with us. Plural. Team language. Community hope. The incarnation is God yelling into our isolation:“Get up… you don’t have to do this alone.”This one’s for every leader feeling the grind, carrying too much weight, and wondering if they’re supposed to fight these battles by themselves. You’re not.In this episode:Why Christianity isn’t a solo sportThe gritty team-language of συναθλέωHow Christmas pulls us into community courageWhat “Immanuel” means for worn-out leadersA practical reminder: joy grows when faith goes side-by-sideKey Scriptures:Philippians 1:27 • Isaiah 7:14Takeaways:Faith is shared sweatGod came close and brought others with HimWe fight better when we fight togetherIf this hits home, share it with someone on your team — encouragement multiplies when it’s passed around.Connect:Follow, like, and subscribe to keep the conversation going each week. And if this episode helped you today, consider sharing it with the teammate God’s placed in your life.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Episode Theme: How choosing gratitude reshapes our leadership, our relationships, and our mental and spiritual health.Episode Summary:We live in a culture trained to obsess over what’s missing. But the way of Jesus flips that narrative. Gratitude doesn’t ignore hard circumstances — it invites us to see God’s goodness right in the middle of them. In this episode, Paul shares how thankfulness reorients us, strengthens us, and becomes a weapon against the lies that drain our joy. We’ll laugh a little, reflect a lot, and walk away with a practical practice to help gratitude come alive in real life.What You’ll Hear:Why gratitude doesn’t always come naturallyHow thankfulness actually rewires the brainWhy Paul calls gratitude “resistance” in a culture of scarcityWhere Scripture anchors us when the struggle gets real (1 Thess. 5:18, Psalm 100:4, Luke 22:19, Philippians 1:3)A simple daily challenge to speak gratitude into someone’s lifeKey Takeaways:Gratitude shifts your focus from what’s lacking to Who’s presentThanksgiving is a doorway into God’s presence, peace, and perspectiveYou can give thanks in all circumstances without pretending you’re thankful for all circumstancesNaming what you’re grateful for disrupts the enemy’s liesLeaders become healthier when love, not lack, sets the tonePractice of the Week — “Name It Forward”1️⃣ Think of someone God has used to bless your life2️⃣ Tell them specifically why you’re thankful3️⃣ Watch how encouragement multiplies joyQuestions for Reflection:Where do I naturally drift — toward gratitude or grumbling?What’s one gift from God I’ve been overlooking?Who can I thank today for the impact they’ve had on me?⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this episode of the Reluctant Leader Podcast, host Paul Jenkins explores the power of narratives and how they shape our perceptions of others and ourselves. Using the contrasting stories of NFL players Bryce Young and CJ Stroud, Paul illustrates how initial impressions can be hard to change, but emphasizes that our stories are never finished. He ties this concept to biblical examples, showing how God continues to rewrite stories despite past mistakes. Paul offers practical takeaways, encouraging listeners not to write people off too soon and to reject negative self-narratives, reminding us that our stories are still being written by God.**** CORRECTION: Stroud did not win the Heisman Trophy - he placed third in the voting.00:00 Introduction to the Reluctant Leader Podcast00:46 The Power of Narratives: An NFL Story03:26 The Impact of First Impressions04:14 God's Narrative: Stories of Redemption05:24 Practical Takeaways on Narratives07:04 Final Thoughts and Encouragement🔑 Key TakeawaysNarratives shape everything. The stories we tell (and believe) become the lens through which we see people — and ourselves.First impressions aren’t final verdicts. Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud show how early perceptions can stick — even when the facts change.God rewrites stories. From Moses to Peter to Paul, Scripture proves God refuses to let our worst moments define our lives.Give people grace to grow. Don’t judge someone’s “rookie season.” What looks like failure might just be formation.Don’t settle for an incomplete story. Your label isn’t your legacy. God’s still writing your next chapter.💬 Memorable Quotes“It’s easier to live with a label than to fight for a new narrative — but that’s not how our God works.”“The first season doesn’t define the player, and the first failure doesn’t define the person.”“God doesn’t just start stories. He finishes them.”📖 Scripture Highlight“He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion.”— Philippians 1:6💡 Reflection & ChallengeBefore you hit send, before you judge someone, or before you tell your own story in shame — pause and ask:“Is this the full story, or just a chapter?”⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!My guest is Dustin Scott — husband, dad to a miracle five-year-old named Roman, and a leader who’s spent years walking with people through recovery. He’s from Tucson, Arizona, and recently shifted from working in addiction recovery to teaching theology—because, as he says, “recovery is spiritual formation.”In this episode, Dustin and I talk about what it really means to let Jesus meet us in our mess instead of waiting to get our act together first. We dig into why slowing down to breathe—really breathe—isn’t some new-age trick, but a way to remember that God’s Spirit still fills our lungs like He did in Genesis 2.We also talk about the tension leaders live in: bringing peace to others while fighting for it ourselves, holding joy and pain in the same hand, and realizing that fixing a problem isn’t the same as healing a soul.Dustin shares the incredible story of his son Roman’s birth—a miracle that came after years of heartbreak—and how that experience reshaped his view of faith, leadership, and what it means to walk with a limp but still lead with love.We end up where Philippians 2 points us: Jesus came close, so we can, too. Whether it’s addiction, anxiety, or just the everyday chaos of life, formation happens when we stay close enough to let Him shape us through it.Connect with Dustin: Recovery Formation on Substack⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this powerful and honest conversation, Paul sits down with Christa Cordova, a mental health educator and fellow doctoral student, to talk about something many believers quietly carry — spiritual hurt and church trauma.Christa has walked the road herself, serving in both church and parachurch roles that left deep scars. Now, she uses her experience and training in Critical Incident Stress Management to help others heal, discern what they’ve experienced, and rebuild a healthy, whole faith.Together, Paul and Christa unpack what spiritual abuse really means (and doesn’t mean), how to spot the difference between being hurt by church and being abused by church, and how pastors and leaders can cultivate safe, trauma-sensitive spaces that honor both truth and healing.They also talk about:Why awareness and self-reflection are vital for healthy leadershipThe concept of the “bell sheep” — a beautiful image of spiritual leadership that follows the Shepherd closelyThe Japanese art of Kintsugi and how it pictures God’s work of turning brokenness into beautyHow churches can take practical steps toward being places of refuge rather than harmThe courage it takes to come back to church after being woundedChrista offers tangible advice for pastors and church leaders, including the value of the 988 Crisis Hotline, why every church would benefit from having a trauma-trained leader, and how building a network of local therapists can transform pastoral care.Whether you’re a pastor trying to lead with compassion, or someone still healing from spiritual wounds, this conversation will remind you that Jesus meets us in our scars — not in our perfection.Resources Mentioned:A Church Called Tov by Scot McKnight & Laura BarringerWhen the Church Harms God’s People by Diane LangbergThe Wounded Healer by Henri NouwenNational Crisis Hotline: 988Connect with Christa:👉 christacordova.com⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!What do you do when the place that was supposed to heal you is the place that hurt you?In this honest and hope-filled conversation, Paul sits down with Sarah Holstra – pastoral counselor and self-described “boundary coach” – to talk about the messy but holy work of relational repair.They cover:What a “boundary coach” actually does (and why you probably need one)Why most church hurt is more about relationships than leadershipHow to walk with people who have been wounded by the church – without piling on shameThe crucial gap between what we expect and what we experience – and how to fill it with trust instead of suspicionThis episode will encourage pastors, leaders, and anyone longing to re-engage with community after pain. Sarah reminds us that healing is possible, relational repair is holy work, and God is still writing better stories for us than the ones our pain has been telling.Links & Resources:Sarah Halstra – Love Your Story TherapyHoly Hurt by Hillary McBrideConnect with Sarah on Instagram: @emotionalsupportpastorSarahHolstra.com⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Episode Summary:In a culture that’s always chasing the next new thing, why are so many young people drawn to what feels ancient, rooted, and steady? In this episode, Paul explores how the ancient paths (Jeremiah 6:16), the old wells (Genesis 26:18–33), and the deep roots of old trees point to the surprising attractiveness of tradition. Whether your church is 200 years old or just a teenager, this conversation will encourage you to rediscover the treasures that give stability, refreshment, and depth to the next generation.What You’ll Learn in This Episode:Why younger generations are drawn to tradition in a world of constant change.How Jeremiah’s “ancient paths” offer wisdom for today’s church.What Isaac teaches us about “re-digging the wells” of spiritual life.Why the stability of older churches matters in an unstable world.Practical ways younger or non-traditional churches can tap into ancient practices without losing their vibrancy.Practical Takeaways for Non-Traditional Churches:Introduce rhythms of Scripture reading, prayer, or creeds.Teach church history alongside the Bible to anchor people in the bigger story.Be intentional with communion, fasting, and prayer gatherings as deep wells of grace.Offer consistency in leadership and discipleship that builds stability over time.Key Quote:“The future of the church needs the past to flourish. And maybe the most countercultural, attractive thing we can offer to the next generation isn’t a brand-new idea, but an ancient, living well.”Resources & Links:Jeremiah 6:16Genesis 26:18–33Want to dig deeper? Visit pauljenkins.tv⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Episode Summary:In this episode, Paul shares how stepping into doctoral studies reshaped his confidence—not by gaining more knowledge, but by finding the freedom to develop ideas in community. Through the lens of Proverbs 27:17, we explore how “iron sharpening iron” transforms reluctant leaders into confident ones.Key Takeaways:Sharpening happens in community, not isolation.Confidence grows when you develop ideas out loud, not just deliver them.Sharing = pressure; developing = freedom.Jesus and Paul modeled sharpening relationships.Every leader needs a circle, not just an audience.Reflection Questions:Who in your life sharpens you—and who do you sharpen?Do you have a space where you can bring half-formed ideas without fear?Where have you been trying to perform instead of grow?Scripture References:Proverbs 27:172 Timothy 2:2⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!What do you do when the story you were writing for your life suddenly gets flipped upside down? Nina Sossamon-Pogue knows a thing or two about that. From elite-level gymnast to Emmy-winning news anchor to tech exec — and then crashing hard when life unraveled — Nina’s story is a masterclass in resilience, reinvention, and the sacred work of getting back up.In this episode, we talk about:🌀 How to handle unexpected "plot twists" in your story💥 Why identity crisis often follows big life transitions (and what to do with that)🧠 The neuroscience of resilience — and why your brain resists change✝️ How faith can reframe failure as formation, not finality📖 Why your worst chapter might not be your last🛠️ Practical tools for building emotional stamina when life breaks you openWhether you're leading a church, navigating a personal storm, or just in a season of uncertainty — this conversation is an invitation to believe that what’s next might actually be better.🔗 Resources Mentioned:Now What Workshop: https://www.nowwhatworkshop.com/Nina’s book: This Is Not the Endwww.ninasossamonpogue.com🙌 Connect with Nina:Instagram: @nina_sp.eaksLinkedIn: Nina Sossamon-Pogue🙏 If this episode encouraged you, share it with a friend who needs a reminder that this isn’t the end of their story either.🔔 Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow us at pauljenkins.tv for more conversations that help you keep following Jesus — through doubt, devotion, and everything in between.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!📖 Episode Overview:Let’s be honest — sometimes the hardest thing about leadership isn’t starting something new… it’s knowing when to stop. In this episode, Paul gets real about a recent decision to pause his weekly email, The Launch Pad, and redirect that time and energy into his leadership at The Gathering and his doctoral studies.It’s a vulnerable, practical conversation about what it looks like to evaluate our efforts with wisdom and courage — and how to pivot without shame when God starts blessing a different lane.🔑 What You’ll Learn:Why pivoting isn’t failure — it’s faithful leadershipHow to evaluate your current strategies through a wisdom-driven lensPractical questions to ask when deciding whether to press on or press pauseBiblical encouragement from Acts 16 about trusting divine redirectionWhy God cares more about your mission than your methods📖 Scripture Highlight:Acts 16:6-10 — When Paul’s missionary strategy got blocked by the Holy Spirit, he didn’t fight it. He pivoted and ended up sparking a revival in Europe. God still works that way.🛠️ Episode Resources:Proverbs 16:9 — “A man’s heart plans his way, but the Lord determines his steps.”C.S. Lewis Quote: “There are far better things ahead than any we leave behind.”🎧 Listen If You:Are wrestling with a project, ministry, or initiative that just isn’t bearing fruitFeel guilty about quitting something you once believed inNeed wisdom and courage to reallocate your time, energy, and focusWant to hear a leader be honest about failure and faithfulness📣 Stay Connected:If this episode resonated with you, share it with a friend or teammate navigating a pivot of their own. And don’t forget to leave a review — it helps more reluctant leaders like us find their tribe.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Before Jesus ever sent His disciples out to preach, heal, or lead—He simply invited them to be with Him. In this episode, Paul unpacks Mark 3:14 and explores how powerful it is when leaders prioritize presence over performance.You’ll learn why Jesus’ leadership style wasn’t built on strategy first—it was built on shared space, vulnerability, and relational connection. Whether you're leading a team, a ministry, or just trying to keep your group chat alive, this episode will encourage you to slow down, lean in, and lead like Jesus.✨ In This Episode:The overlooked leadership wisdom of Mark 3:14Why being with your team matters more than always doing for your team3 key takeaways from how Jesus led:Presence Builds TrustPresence Prepares HeartsPresence Multiplies ImpactPractical tips to become a more present, intentional leaderA prayer for leaders who feel stretched thin but want to lead with more heart🛠️ Practical Presence Practices:Schedule “presence blocks” with team membersStart every meeting with five minutes of non-task talkDitch the phone, make eye contact, and give your full attentionTake a walk, grab a coffee, or send a spontaneous check-in text⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this milestone 50th episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, Paul sits down with Benjamin Crawshaw for an honest, relatable conversation about life, leadership, and what happens when everything falls apart. Benjamin shares his powerful story of how personal failure, ministry unraveling, and a season of isolation led him to rediscover God’s grace in unexpected places — including a 5-6 year-old girls’ softball team and a student ministry of four.The episode dives into what it means to lead when you don’t feel qualified, how God often meets us in the margins, and why true leadership isn’t about numbers or titles but about showing up authentically. Benjamin opens up about how repressing emotions eventually catches up with us, and how his journey through counseling, community, and vulnerability has reshaped his perspective on faith, leadership, and mental health.For anyone who’s ever felt burned out, overlooked, or unsure about their next step, this episode is a needed reminder that God’s not done with you yet. Paul and Benjamin also talk about how today’s culture, especially Gen Z and Gen Alpha,  craves authenticity more than ever, and why that’s the perfect environment for real conversations about faith and emotional health.It’s a conversation full of wisdom, humor, and encouragement, perfect for leaders (reluctant or not) navigating the messy middle of life and ministry.- - - - - - - - - -🔗  Links to all the things:To connect with Trueface, go to https://www.trueface.org/You can contact Benjamin at [email protected]📙 Books we mentioned:The Cure > https://amzn.to/3MCvF8MBo's Cafe > https://amzn.to/3EPnZzCThe Path > https://amzn.to/3ZbrgzR☕️ The Starbucks Coffee GiveawayGrab the QR code on Paul's site and use it at Starbucks to grab a coffee drink. Thanks for being a part of The Reluctant Leader Podcast community!⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Welcome to The Reluctant Leader Podcast—where we talk real leadership for those of us who sometimes feel like we’re not cut out for it… but keep showing up anyway.In this episode, I’m unpacking what I learned from posting 21 straight days of hope-filled, one-minute videos on TikTok. I’ll share what surprised me, the comments that reminded me why this matters, and why consistency is your secret weapon—especially when no one’s clapping yet.We’re talking:The identity-shaping power of showing upThe spiritual truth behind compounding faithfulnessWhy success in leadership is often slow, quiet, and deeply worth itHow a few seconds of encouragement can change someone’s entire dayScripture Anchor:“Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”— Galatians 6:9 (NIV)🔗 LINKS & RESOURCES:▶️ Watch the 21 Days of Hope Challenge on TikTokhttps://www.tiktok.com/@pauljenkinstv(Regular encouragement, straight to your scroll.)📺 Subscribe to My YouTube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@pauljenkinsTV(Real talk on life, leadership, and following Jesus authentically.)🎧 More Episodes of The Reluctant Leader Podcasthttp://www.thereluctantleaderpodcast.com(For when you need a nudge to keep leading, even when it’s hard.)🧠 Highlight Quotes:“The algorithm may be unpredictable—but God isn’t. He sees every seed you sow.”“Consistency changes you before it changes the world.”“Showing up comes before blowing up.”🙌 Let’s Keep the Hope Going:If this episode encouraged you, send it to a friend, leave a review, or tag me with your biggest takeaway. And remember: even reluctant leaders can lead with bold faith.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In a world overflowing with noise and polished personas, authentic leadership cuts through like a beacon of trust. In this episode, Paul unpacks why it's so powerful when leaders actually do what they say—how integrity, vulnerability, and consistency can create a kind of credibility that commands attention without shouting. Whether you lead a team, a church, or just your own life, this conversation will challenge and encourage you to lead with your whole, honest self.🧭 What We Talk About:The “I’ll Go First” Principle: Why true leaders model what they expect.Consistency > Charisma: How everyday choices earn long-term trust.Owning Your Misses: How humility and honesty make you more credible, not less.The Jesus Blueprint: Leading with truth, not pretense—and why that still changes everything.Living the Message: Why people don’t need another highlight reel; they need an honest example.📱 Social Media Snippets:Use these for sharing across platforms like Instagram, X (formerly Twitter), Facebook, or LinkedIn:💡 “People don’t need perfect leaders. They need honest ones.”🎧 New episode on the power of authentic leadership. #LeadWell #AuthenticityWinsWhen your life speaks louder than your stage, people don’t just respect you—they trust you.🎙️ Listen to When Words Walk wherever you get your podcasts.✋ Saying “we value rest” means nothing if you never take a day off. Leadership begins with living the message.#LeadershipMatters #WalkTheTalkYour credibility isn’t built in your highlight reel. It’s built in your Tuesdays.🔥 New episode on the superpower of real leadership.Jesus didn’t just speak truth—He lived it, washed feet, and bore the cross. That’s the blueprint.#JesusWay #AuthenticLeadership⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Ever feel stuck between where you started and where you want to be? The messy middle can be frustrating, filled with uncertainty, doubt, and the temptation to give up. But what if this season isn’t a roadblock—it’s the real work of transformation?In this episode, we’re diving into what it means to trust the process when things aren’t happening as fast as we’d like. You’ll discover:✅ Why surrendering control leads to more peace and clarity✅ How struggles strengthen you rather than stop you✅ The power of perseverance and why your harvest is coming at the right timeIf you’ve been feeling discouraged or questioning whether to keep going, this episode is your reminder to stay the course. Growth is happening—even if you can’t see it yet.💬 Let’s keep the conversation going! Share your biggest takeaway on social media and tag me @pauljenkins. And if this episode encouraged you, consider leaving a review—it helps more people find hope in the process.🎧 Listen now and take your next step forward with confidence!⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, we dive into the biblical wisdom of seeking godly counsel and why no leader should make decisions in isolation. Proverbs tells us that wise advisers lead to success, but pride can keep us from listening. We’ll explore how humility opens the door to growth, how God often speaks through others, and why even the best leaders—Moses, David, and Paul—sought guidance. If you’ve ever felt the pressure to figure things out alone, this episode is for you!⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!The Bible has a lot to say about staying alert and keeping watch. If we aren't vigilant as leaders, the churches and organizations we're responsible for are often left in disarray and vulnerable to attack and vision creep.As Jesus often told his followers: watch!⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Too many of us are so addicted to the rush of something new that we've accepted that anything that gets repeated has to become boring or stale. But repetition is only a bad thing when we're repeating bad things! I repeat: repetition is only a... You get the idea.So let's change the narrative, and get busy repeating what needs to be repeated. As you'll find out in this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, some of the best things in life are born with the power of repetition.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!I've always been motivated by JFK's "we do them because they are hard" speech, and clearly, so was our country because we did get to the moon (regardless of what conspiracy theorists might think). But what happens after we've done hard things and we need time to rest and recover? Maybe more importantly, how do we find the strength to get back up and do another hard thing?In this episode, Paul reminds us that while we may need to step back from time to time, we were never made to shrink back from hard things.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this interview, we take a deep dive with Karl Vaters, a seasoned pastor and author, as he challenges the conventional obsession with church size. For over 40 years, Carl has been an advocate for small churches and has worked to redefine success beyond just mere numbers.Whether you're a church leader feeling the pressure to grow or just curious about the future of faith in America, I think you’ll find this interview fascinating, and Karl’s perspective refreshing.More from Karl:Visit his website at karlvaters.com to connect with Karl on all his socialsGrab his newest book, De-Sizing the Church, on Amazon and other retailersKarl's podcast, The Church Lobby, is worth a listen!⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!All of us know that our words have power but too many times we talk as if they don't. In this episode, Paul shares how one simple statement ignited passion and launched him into action. We're sure that you'll be encouraged, and will be challenged to consider the kindness - or lack of - in the words you speak to those around you.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Does God ever seem distant when you ask him about things that really matter to you? Of course, he does. But the good news is that you aren't alone! Anyone who has ever spent any amount of time in prayer has felt that way, and often, the more desperate we are, the longer he seems to take.In this episode, Paul walks us through Luke 18 and shows us what to do when we face the unopened door of unanswered prayer.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!As we wrap up our "Restored to Health" miniseries in Psalm 126, the psalmist reminds us that even after we've been restored, there is work to be done.Even more importantly, he reminds us that the work often still feels like work, and yet he holds out the very real hope that when the sowing brings us pain, the reaping will bring us bounty.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!We've all been there. We've gone public about something amazing that God has done in our lives, churches, businesses, or ministries only to wake up the next day and find ourselves wondering if it really happened?In this episode, we can take comfort in the fact that the people of God also lived in the "now and not yet" places we find ourselves. Yes, God had brought back the captives (Psalm 126:1), and yet in Psalm 126:4 they asked Him to do it again.Or did they?Let's find out together in part 4 of our "Restored to Health" miniseries in Psalm 126.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Sometimes the process of being restored to joy is just that ... a process. That process can be daunting and overwhelming if we think it's about being the perfect leader or the perfect person, but when we accept as fact that the Lord has restored us to health, then the process can become a celebration of all that the Lord has done to this point.No more hiding or pretending.No more masks or fake smiles."Here I raise my Ebeneezer" because thus far, to this point in the process, the Lord has been my help. And that means, He'll continue to be from this point forward, too.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!As we continue our miniseries in Psalm 126, let's talk about the things that mark us when we're living lives that have been restored to health: joy, song, laughter, and the global influence that comes with a life of integrity.Will we always feel like we're living up to that list? Of course not. But as we'll see in this episode, that doesn't mean that it isn't still true.Join us as we continue our journey toward restored spiritual and emotional health, and as we learn the power of proclaiming what we remember about God's goodness. Let's overcome the enemy by testifying about what Jesus has done for us!⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!In this episode, Paul kicks off a miniseries diving into the game-changing truths found in Psalm 126, and takes us deeper into the profound wisdom that verse 1 offers for modern livingLearn how gratitude transforms our perspective, calms anxieties, and deepens trust in God's faithfulness. Discover how practicing gratitude reshapes your spiritual journey, cultivating contentment and propelling you toward a life filled with hope and purpose. Join us on a journey toward restored spiritual and emotional health, and let gratitude be your guide toward the abundant life God promises.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Is hell "down there?" If it is, then why do we often talk about "hell on earth?" Why does the regret we experience at night as we replay the day feel so much like hell already, and how can we learn to live beyond it?Is peace even possible, or are we destined to stay stuck in a Groundhog Day of bad decisions and painful regret?In this episode, Paul shares some interesting insights into what hell might be and sheds some light on how God's goodness in this life gives us time to prepare for the next.Want to schedule some time to chat with Paul by phone or over coffee? You can do that here.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!What's the biggest difference between Tiger Woods and me when it comes to playing golf? Well, we both hit bad shots from time to time (I hit a lot more of them), but we don't recover from them the same.In this episode, let's talk about how important it is for us to be healthy enough as leaders that we can recover from the bad shots, and help the people we lead find their way back to joy after hard seasons.If the quote I read from Jim Wilder's book made you want more, you can purchase his book, RARE Leadership, on Amazon here.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Welcome to the last episode of 2023! In this episode, Paul walks us through Psalm 126 and shows us how what the Lord told His people then still speaks to His people now. As the Year of the Door, 2024 holds so much promise for us, and as Paul explains, it's a year that will mark the church with joy, laughter, hope, and health.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!After a fast-paced, family-filled wedding weekend, Paul came home with three things:1. A new daughter-in-law,2. A wicked head cold (he's all about that bass in this episode!), and3. A fresh revelation of what the power of the gospel can do in us.If you've got your Bible or your Bible app, turn to Ephesians 2;11-19 and follow along. If you don't, follow along anyway. 😂⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!So often in leadership, we talk about having a faith that can't be shaken, but in this episode, Paul points out what it looks like to have a faith that can be forsaken.It's important, too, because - wait for it - we're going to be.Thanks for being a faithful listener of The Reluctant Leader Podcast!! To enjoy a free coffee on me, simply click the link below and show the QR code to the awesome barista at your local Dunkin'!Get your Cup of Joe here!⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!What if it was possible to live free from having the pressure to perform for God's love, and instead, live free in the reality that we've already been given God's love?In this episode of TRLP, Paul interviews Robby Angle, a former staff pastor at North Point Community Church, and current CEO of Trueface, a ministry committed to creating authentic, trust-filled relationships. We think you'll get a ton out of this interview (we did!!), and you're going to want to access all the resources mentioned by Robby and Paul.To connect with Trueface, go to https://www.trueface.org/To connect with Robby and Trueface on YouTube, go to https://www.youtube.com/@TruefaceTo watch Robby's stuff on Right Now Media, go to https://app.rightnowmedia.org/en/teacher/1001593To purchase The Cure > https://amzn.to/3MCvF8M⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Have you ever noticed that sometimes we get what we pay for? We buy cheap stuff to save a buck or two, only to have to buy that same cheap stuff over and over and over...Sometimes, it's much better to pay the price in order to obtain something of value because we know that it will last.Join Paul on a journey through a moment in a king's life that taught him that very lesson, and then take a peek at how God used it to set up the next generation to fulfill their destiny.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!It should come as no surprise that depressive episodes exploded during the COVID-19 pandemic. In fact, 18-25 year-olds are twice as likely to struggle with depression as people over 50, and that number is only rising.Does that mean the older generation should write off the younger one? Far from it! In fact, it means that older leaders have a unique opportunity to influence and reverse the anxiety epidemic that has swept over our culture like a flood.As Paul reveals in this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, that will only happen when we master the discipline of leading ourselves as peacemakers who can create "outposts of Eden."⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Have you ever felt like you had whiplash because of all the starts and stops as you tried to develop a new habit? Why do so many of us never actually achieve and stay at new levels in life and leadership?In this episode, Paul takes us through a key moment in the life of Daniel and helps us understand why occasional effort will never result in consistent excellence.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!What happens when God rescues a life out of a broken home and foster care that loves hip hop but has country music in his roots? He opens the door for Rare of Breed, a leading artist in the genre of Country Hip Hop.You read that right. Country Hip Hop.You’re going to love this interview with Rob Hardin about his latest project, GodTwang, and how God is calling a broken generation back to Himself.For more information about Rare of Breed, check out his website and all his socials.Want to hear some of GodTwang? Spotify and AppleGo to Eventbrite to make sure you’ve got a free ticket to our C4 Summit with Rare of Breed on May 6th.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Too often we place too much emphasis on things that can be seen and parts that can be platformed. But when was the last time you actually stopped to consider that each one of us are uniquely gifted for a part to play and a purpose to fulfill?Let's talk about why the different parts of the body matter, and how you and I can lead ourselves and others into an understanding of which parts we're called to play.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!By now, you've probably heard about the outpouring at Asbury University in Wilmore, Kentucky. In this episode we talk with Pastor Nathan Smith, an Executive Pastor at The Refuge Church in Kannapolis, North Carolina, about his history with Asbury and his recent trip to experience the revival first hand.We know you'll love the sincerity and humility that marks Nathan's life, and hope that this interview whets your appetite to hear more from him. We've provided the following links to  help you do just that.Learn more about his work and ministry at www.therefuge.netCheck out Pastor Nathan's blog at www.nathanwesleysmith.comMake sure to subscribe to Pastor Nathan's podcast at www.thebestviewintown.com⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.

Got questions or comments? Text them to me!Sometimes God asks us questions that He already knows the answer to, and those moments can lead to some pretty massive revelations. Like the day when God asked me this seemingly simple question:"What's the difference between an army and an end-time army?"No, it isn't a riddle, and, yes, the answer is important.Extremely important.Shout out to CUTRIGHT for pointing me in the direction of an amazing FREE tool from Adobe that got my podcast out of the cave!! You can subscribe to Cutright's YouTube channel here, and you can learn more about Adobe's Speech Enhancer here.⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️  ⬇️Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins! Find me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog.Rather watch the video? Head over to The Reluctant Leader Podcast on my YouTube channel.