The Second Voice with Luisa Hogan

We admire leaders who listen deeply — but what happens inside their minds while they’re listening? Beneath the calm exterior, there’s often a quiet tension: the urge to speak, to fix, to prove. Today, we’re exploring the second voice of leadership — the internal dialogue that makes empathy possible.Today, I’m joined by Adam Kinnest, a purpose-driven leader known for his calm, inclusive approach to complex challenges. Together, we’ll unpack what really happens inside the mind of a listening leader — the doubts, tensions, and choices that turn empathy into resilience.Connect with Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-kinnest-316705146/At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @luisahoganhqSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

What if the voice of doubt in your head wasn’t a warning sign, but proof you’re stepping into real leadership? Today’s conversation reveals why impostor syndrome may actually mean you’re on the right path.My guest, Brenda Hukel, has lived this transformation firsthand.” Brenda is an Author, Speaker, and Founder of Awakening the Consciousness Within, LLC. After more than 30 years in Human Resources, Organizational Development, and transformational coaching, she stepped away from her executive career to help women release limiting beliefs, unhealed trauma, and generational conditioning that keep them from their true selves.Connect with Brenda: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brenda-hukel-mba/At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @luisahoganhqSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

What happens when everything you’ve been taught about helping others no longer feels right? For Dr. Avi Charlton, unlearning medicine wasn’t rebellion—it was essential. This is the story of a doctor who dared to listen to her second voice… and prescribed a new way to heal.Today we’re exploring what it takes to question the very system that shaped you—and find freedom on the other side. My guest is Dr Avi Charlton who is a GP, speaker, best-selling author, podcast host, and thought leader in lifestyle medicine. She is the founder of Melbourne Low Carb Clinic and Breathe in Health, where she helps people reverse chronic conditions and improve wellbeing through nutrition, functional breathing, and lifestyle interventions.A passionate advocate for empowering individuals to take charge of their health, Dr. Charlton shares her expertise on stage, in the media, through her best-selling book *Prescribing Lifestyle: A Doctor’s Prescription to Lasting Weight Loss and Vibrant Health*, and as host of the *Prescribing Lifestyle* podcast.Her work has been recognised nationally, receiving an **AusMumpreneur Honourable Mention for Wellness Business of the Year**. With over two decades of experience as a doctor, Dr. Charlton continues to inspire and guide people toward vibrant health, sustainable change, and a future where lifestyle is the first prescription.At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @luisahoganhqFind Dr Avi:https://www.linkedin.com/in/avi-charlton/www.mlcclinic.com.auhttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063738752807 https://www.instagram.com/dr_charlton_lifestyle_gp/ https://youtube.com/@avicharlton?si=GI8vQOQ_CJ9N5PwWSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

What if the success you’re chasing isn’t really growth at all—but fear in disguise? Many leaders drive themselves into overdrive, convinced they’re growing, when in reality they’re anchored by fear. Today, we’ll uncover how to spot the difference and what it takes to move from proving yourself to truly becoming yourself.My guest today is Marielle Speetjens, a Midlife Reinvention & Confidence Coach and the founder of Mindbreeze.ae   She helps women in midlife rebuild confidence, realign with what matters, and design a next chapter they’re excited to say YES to. Through her 5C Method—Courage, Confidence, Clarity, Commitment, Celebration—she pairs straight-talk coaching with practical habits and micro-promises that last. With clients, she surfaces patterns, rewires limiting stories, builds daily confidence rituals, aligns the path ahead, and tracks (and celebrates) what matters.  In earlier chapters, Marielle worked in human rights and international education, and founded her own coaching company. After the passing of her daughter, she devoted herself to family and homeschooled her children while living off-grid on a sailboat. After moving to Portugal—and while navigating menopause, and her own reinvention—she completed two half-Ironman races and managed an international swim team for several years.  Today, as her nest slowly empties, she coaches privately and speaks on midlife reinvention, authenticity, embodiment and alignment.At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work with Mariellehttps://www.facebook.com/marielle.speetjens https://www.instagram.com/mariellespeetjens/https://mindbreeze.aeWork With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @luisahoganhqSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

Hook:What if everything you’ve been working so hard to prove, every achievement, every role, every sacrifice, still leaves you feeling like it’s never enough? Today we’re uncovering the hidden cost of proving yourself, and how self-talk can become the very cage that keeps you from living fully.Today I’m joined by Dana Diaz—a writer and advocate who has lived through abuse, broken free from toxic narratives, and is now helping others reclaim their worth and voice. Together we’ll explore how the pressure to prove yourself can spiral into self-sabotage, and what it takes to finally break free. Dana is a Bestselling Author, Global Podcast Guest and Motivational Speaker /Founder of Dana S. Diaz Enterprises, LLCAt The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Follow Dana DiazInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/danas.diaz/Website: https://danasdiaz.com/Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @luisahoganhqSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

We’re often told that achievement brings confidence and clarity. But what happens when success doesn’t quiet the voice in your head — it makes it louder? In this final episode of Season 1, I’m sharing the leadership decision that forced me to confront that reality, reflecting on what I learned during Season 1, and talking about what's coming up in Season 2!At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @luisahoganhqSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

What if your best business decisions don’t come from a spreadsheet, but from a whisper? Today we explore what happens when you stop forcing strategy and start feeling it — when intuition becomes your most powerful business partner.At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsmore at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

Leadership isn’t just about strategy or vision—it’s about the hidden inner battles. Many leaders silently carry the burden of doing it all themselves, paying the “loneliness tax” without even realising it. In this episode, Kirsten Hopkins reveals the moment she shifted from being a doer to someone who empowers others—and why that change transformed not just her leadership, but her life.At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

What if the voice that drives you every day isn’t even your own? Leaders often carry echoes—words from mentors, critics, or even childhood—that shape their inner dialogue. Today, we’ll explore how to recognise those borrowed voices and reframe them into a source of authentic strength.At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

No one tells you what happens when the demands of leadership collide with the realities of midlife. For many women, menopause, identity shifts, and the pressure to keep proving themselves can trigger a second voice of doubt, overwhelm, and burnout. Today, we’re pulling back the curtain on the leadership challenge no one talks about—and discovering how to reclaim power in the midst of change.At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

What if becoming a leader wasn’t part of the plan? My guest today became an “accidental entrepreneur,” then stepped into some of the biggest leadership roles imaginable — only to find the inner voice of self-doubt never went away. From loneliness at the top to leading change without allies, Kelly Gray shows us why doing the right thing is rarely the easy thing.At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud. If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.In this solo episode, Luisa explores how every leader has a private boardroom they never talk about (not with their team, not with their mentors, sometimes not even with themselves). In that boardroom sit three voices: the doubter, the driver, and the decider. The question is.... who’s running yours?If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.What happens when the thing you’ve built your entire career on — your words, your creativity — suddenly feels replaceable? For copywriter and storyteller Vishma Mistry, facing both a life-altering stroke and the rise of AI became an unexpected mirror. This is the story of rediscovering humanity in a world obsessed with automation. If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Connect with Vishmahttps://www.mistryofwords.com/https://www.instagram.com/mistryofwords/https://www.linkedin.com/in/vishma-mistry-84082634/Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.Today, Luisa's guest is Tania Plakonouris, a Relational Resilience Consultant. When relationships start to strain — at work, in teams, or in our personal lives — the easiest thing to do is walk away. But what if real resilience isn’t about holding it together, but learning how to reconnect when it feels impossible? Today we’re exploring the quiet, unseen work that keeps connection alive — even when it hurts. If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Connect and work with TaniaInstagram @vermelho_consultingwww.vermelho.com.auHosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

You can tell yourself the right things and still make the wrong decisions. In leadership, positive self-talk rarely fails loudly—it fails quietly by keeping you comfortable when you should be honest. This episode is about where mindset stops helping and starts costing you.At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.What did this episode reveal about your own second voice right now?

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud. In this episode we ask "What if the voice inside your head isn’t just shaping you, but shaping your children too?" Today, we explore how the self-talk we carry as leaders and mothers becomes the invisible inheritance passed to the next generation. Krystal Jugarap shares the raw truth about leading, doubting, and parenting when the second voice is always present.Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.Connect with Krystal https://www.krystaljugarap.comhttps://www.empoweredbywmn.comInstagram: @iamkrystalj @empoweredbywmn @bookofbijouxLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/krystaljugarapWork With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper with Luisa:-Leadership resilience workshops and advisory-Keynotes and curated live experiences-The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: www.vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud. In this episode, we discuss how change is never easy — but what if you’re the one leading it? The voice that drives transformation is also the one that questions whether the cost is too high. Today, we’re diving into the private self-talk of leaders who are catalysts for big change. Our guest is Michelle Jenkins, an extraordinary leader with diverse experience and an incredible talent for creating change. Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.

The Second Voice is where leaders, founders, and entrepreneurs explore the conversations no one hears: the ones behind the polished answers, the boardroom strategies, and the personal highlight reels. Launching 9 January 2026!

At The Second Voice, we explore the inner conversations leaders rarely say out loud.Leadership isn’t just about what you say out loud, it's about the conversations you have with yourself.In this first episode of The Second Voice, host Luisa Hogan opens up about her own leadership journey and the self-talk that shaped it. She shares how the unseen, unspoken inner dialogue can build resilience (or quietly erode it) and why learning to manage your second voice may be the most important leadership skill you’ll ever develop.This episode lays the foundation for what’s to come: raw, honest conversations with incredible founders, entrepreneurs, and change-makers just like you and the private battles behind public success. If you’ve ever felt like your inner voice was louder than your outer one, this is where your story meets theirs.The Second Voice — uncovering the conversations leaders don’t say out loud. Hosted by Luisa Hogan, leadership resilience strategist and founder of Vermelho Consulting.Luisa works with founders, executives, and senior leaders who carry real responsibility and want to lead with steadiness, clarity, and self-trust under pressure.Her work focuses on nervous system regulation, leadership identity, and the inner dialogue that shapes how leaders show up when things are hard.If this episode resonated, it is likely because the second voice is active in your leadership too.Work With LuisaIf this episode sparked reflection, here are ways to go deeper:• Leadership resilience workshops and advisory• Keynotes and curated live experiences• The Steady Leadership framework and private sessionsLearn more at: vermelho.com.auA Note From Whisper & ThreadThe Second Voice is proudly supported by Whisper & Thread.Whisper & Thread creates intimate apparel embroidered with quiet, internal messages designed to interrupt negative self-talk.Each piece carries a reminder on the inside. Not performative. Not loud. Just for you.Because leadership self-talk does not start in the boardroom.And confidence is built in the moments no one sees.Explore Whisper & Thread at: whisperandthread.comStay ConnectedFollow along and join the conversation:• Instagram: @thesecondvoicepodcast• Instagram: @vermelho_consulting• Instagram: @whisperandthreadSubscribe, rate, and review The Second Voice to help more leaders find these conversations.