They Assume We Know Nothing Podcast

026. It's been a long time coming... Welcome back! The girls are back (finally) and sharing their thoughts on Taylor Swift updates in 2025 (so far!) and chiming in with some personal updates as well. This episode covers:Taylor at Tulula's garden in Philly Taylor owning her masters Taylor and Travis sightingsPersonal updates and more!Resources: Join the TAWKN community:tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothinginstagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpodEmail Us: [email protected] Follow us:Kitty's instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackmanCait's instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinappleThis podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own. 

027. Taylor Swift Games (Kitty’s Version)   A fun episode today with the girls! Kitty came up with Taylor Swift related questions that has both hosts going a little deeper into Taylor Swift’s life, lyrics, and discography. What are your answers to these questions? The girls want to know!  This episode covers: Which Taylor lyric best describes you?  If you had to eliminate one TS album, which would it be?  Which of Taylor’s previous relationships do you feel shaped her the most?  Best song off of evermore for the cold/winter months ? What genre of music do you most want Taylor’s next album to be?   Which album font do you think is more iconic: reputation or Debut?   If you could hear Taylor play one song live just for you, what would it be? Make a ridiculous Debutation prediction (for either album or both)?    Resources:  Join the TAWKN community: tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Email Us: [email protected]   Follow us:   Kitty's instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait's instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple   This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.  

The Way I Loved You Today Cait and Kitty break down the lyrics of another Taylor Swift song from the album Fearless. They are discussing The Way I Loved You, a powerful soliloquy so relatable when you just don't feel that "Spark" in a relationship, even though the seem perfect on paper. This episode covers: How love and lust differentiate Taylor's description of The Way I Loved you Kitty and Cait's personal connections to the depiction of a relationship in this song A break down lyric by lyric of Taylor Swift's The Way I Love you song from the album Fearless.    Resources:  Join the TAWKN community: ⁠tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing⁠ ⁠instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod⁠ Email Us: [email protected] Follow us: Kitty's instagram: ⁠www.instagram.com/kittypackman⁠ Cait's instagram: ⁠www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple⁠  This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

Today Cait and Kitty break down the lyrics of another Taylor Swift song from the album Fearless. They are discussing You’re Not Sorry, one of Taylor’s underrated ballads. A relatable take on a relationship that you choose to end before it ends you.  This episode covers: The Era’s Tour quick recap discussing surprise songs, Debutation, and easter eggs. History and statements made during the release You’re Not Sorry and it’s ranking on the charts Breaking down You’re not Sorry lyrics and how difficult and necessary it is to leave someone that has hurt you too many times    Resources:  Join the TAWKN community: tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Email Us: [email protected] Follow us: Kitty's instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait's instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple  This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own  

In this crossover episode with Spiritually Ever After, Kitty dives into the 25 Taylor Swift songs that give her Disney vibes. Some of them may be a stretch, but isn’t the whole point to live in fantasy?! We’re all mad here. This episode covers: 25 Taylor Swift songs that have references to, or similarities with, Disney movies Kitty trying to hold back from talking about recent clothing and surprise song choices at the Miami Eras Tour shows Kitty accidentally thinking Ed Sheeran was on “Today Was A Fairytale”… \ An admission of guilt that Kitty has not yet seen Toy Story 4 The two ways you can interpret “mad woman” (and why both are right) Resources:Taylor x Disney playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4POo6YMbV2yrbz4wRtzTOJ?si=fBiN1txxRG2_sCMkY0Tfig&pi=u-I9eC86zSRu-9  Join the TAWKN community: • ⁠tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing⁠ • ⁠instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod⁠ Join the SEA community: • tiktok.com/@spirituallyeverafter• instagram.com/spiritually_everafter Email Us: [email protected]  Follow us: Kitty's instagram: ⁠www.instagram.com/kittypackman⁠ Cait's instagram: ⁠www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple⁠ This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

023. Tell Me Why-A Lyrical Analysis of Taylor Swift TRIGGER WARNING: Please note that this episode contains content related to domestic violence that some people may find disturbing or triggering. Please keep yourself safe and skip this episode if this would be difficult for you to hear. IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW NEEDS SUPPORT FROM DOMESTIC VIOLENCE --- Call 1-800-799-SAFE or text "START" to 88788 In this episode Kitty and Cait discuss the very serious topic of toxic relationships in connection to the Taylor Swift song "Tell Me Why". Kitty and Cait share their view points and discuss mental health, abusive relationships, and how things aren't black and white when it happens. This episode covers: Lyric by lyric analysis of "Tell Me Why" by Taylor Swift A deeper understanding of toxic dynamics in relationships Discussing topics like gaslighting, manipulation, and love-bombing    Resources:  Join the TAWKN community: tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Email Us: [email protected]   Follow us:   Kitty's instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait's instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple   This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

022. Breathe-A Taylor Swift Lyrical Analysis   Today Cait and Kitty breathe through the simplistic yet powerful lyrics of the song "Breathe" from the Taylor Swift Album "Fearless." Tune is as the girls share their thoughts and feelings as they make their way through the song lyric by lyric. This episode covers: Rumors and concepts around the basis behind the song What Taylor Swift shared publically about Breathe Breaking down the lyrics of Breathe lyric by lyric and discussing the meanings Resources:  Join the TAWKN community: tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Email Us: [email protected]   Follow us:   Kitty's instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait's instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

021. Taylor Swift Top Songs on Every Album (non-romantic related)   Today Cait and Kitty go through each album chronologically and pick out some of their NUMBER ONE FAVORITE TAYLOR SWIFT SONG that has little or nothing to do with love, heartbreak, heartache, and romantic feelings (or lack there of). Here Kitty and Cait's different takes and opinions. This episode covers: A break down of Kitty and Cait's favorite songs on every album in Taylor Swift's Discography -Taylor Swift (debut), Fearless, Speak Now, Red, 1989, Reputation, Folklore, Evermore, Midnights, Tortured Poets Department -How we differentiated between a romantically based song and different themes    Resources:  Join the TAWKN community: tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Email Us: [email protected]   Follow us:   Kitty's instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait's instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

020. You Belong with Me- A Taylor Swift Lyrical Analysis   Today Cait and Kitty break down the lyrics of another Taylor Swift song from the album Fearless. They are discussing about You Belong with Me, one of Taylor’s long standing bops, but do the lyrics and story behind it stand the test of time? Click play and find out! This episode covers: The impact You Belong with Me has on the Taylor Swift discography History and statements made during the release of You Belong with Me Discussing the “pick me” mentality and the misogyny and Taylor’s growth in this aspect Breaking down You Belong with Me lyric by lyric and discuss their meanings    Resources:  Join the TAWKN community: tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Email Us: [email protected]   Follow us:   Kitty's instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait's instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.

019. Taylor Swift News and updates!  The girls are back! We have come together after a cruel but incredible summer and we’re excited to catch up on all the updates in the Taylor Swift Universe. We deep dive into the latest Taylor sightings, the “PR leak”, and the end of the Era’s tour around the corner.  This episode covers: Taylor Swift’s endorsement of Kamala Harris Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce being a PR Relationship How legitimate or not is the “breakup strategy” leak for Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce The imminent end of the Era’s Tour in December and what might be next Taylor Swift’s re-recordings still yet to be released Resources:  Join the TAWKN community: tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Email Us: [email protected]   Follow us:   Kitty's instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait's instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple  This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

018. How to Survive Mercury Retrograde Using Taylor Swift Songs   No need to worry this Mercury Retrograde…. Taylor’s music is here for you! Join Kitty for a solo episode all about how to make it through this period of complicated communication and relationship challenges.   This episode covers: Making the most of Mercury Retrograde Why Mercury Retrograde gets a bad rep, and what it actually means The best Taylor Swift songs to listen to during Mercury Retrograde The songs to avoid during Mercury Retrograde Why it’s dangerous to listen to “‘tis the damn season” and say yes to that fling Kitty’s top 5 Taylor songs for Mercury Retrograde    Resources:   Listen to the Taylor Songs to Survive Mercury Retreat playlist on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5PMzyBBwSum4RLozX3WR7z?si=AiSwDrkFRK2BATBikIrOpQ&pi=u-giGNYfNSSKqo   Learn more about Kitty’s 1:1 mentorship: www.kittypackman.com/11-mentorship   Join the TAWKN community: tiktok.com/@theyassumeweknownothing instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Email Us: [email protected]   Follow us:   Kitty's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ kittypackman   Cait's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ iamcaitlinapple   This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

Another lyrical analysis coming your way today! Kitty and Cait glance in their rearview mirrors to dive into the lyrics of White Horse by Taylor Swift as they make their way through the Fearless Era. Their first track five on this journey. This ain't a fairy tale, but it sure feels like it! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait’s poetry book! https://mailchi.mp/fd43f9bd2657/mildly-poisonous This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

This episode Kitty and Cait rank their top ten breakup songs across Taylor Swift's discography. From Debut to Tortured Poets, we know our girl Tay can write deep cut lyrics about her heartbreak. The girls had a tough time making a top ten, but did their best to find the ones that most spoke to them. From Should've said no, to All too Well, to loml, to Happiness; there were some notable, but surprising rankings! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait’s poetry book! https://mailchi.mp/fd43f9bd2657/mildly-poisonous This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own. 

This episode Kitty and Cait break down the song, "Hey, Stephen". This sweet song captures their hearts and they share their thoughts, some clips about who Stephen is, and break down the lyrics. Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait’s poetry book! https://mailchi.mp/fd43f9bd2657/mildly-poisonous This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.

Cait flies solo this episode to discuss a detailed account of her time in children's theater with Taylor Swift. She shares her memories of Taylor, her parents, and the shows they performed together. Some stories never before shared, Cait takes her getaway car down memory lane for all of you! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait’s poetry book! https://mailchi.mp/fd43f9bd2657/mildly-poisonous This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.

Kitty and Cait dive into the lyrics of Love Story, one of Taylor's biggest hits that sky-rocketed her to fame! They analyze the lyrics line by line and discuss the connections to Romeo and Juliet and how she used that story to fuel her feelings and modernize the story to create a masterpiece. Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait’s poetry book! https://mailchi.mp/fd43f9bd2657/mildly-poisonous This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own. 

Cait and Kitty are back together once again to talk the Swiftverse or everything that is happening currently in Taylor Swift's world as fans. They discuss the newest addition to the Eras Tour, Tortured Poets, and break down the songs she picked and what they loved (as they watched from the grainy tiktok lives!). They also chat the demos/first drafts she shared, Tayvis spottings, and more! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait’s poetry book! https://mailchi.mp/fd43f9bd2657/mildly-poisonous This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own. 

This week is a special solo episode with Kitty doing a Human Design reading of Taylor’s chart. Come learn what it means that Taylor is a 5/1 Splenic Projector, as well as how you can start to use Human Design in your own life! Contact us! Get your HD chart: jovianarchive.com or myhumandesign.com  Email us: [email protected]  Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod  Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple  Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman  Book a Human Design reading with Kitty: http://www.kittypackman.com/human-design.html (http://www.kittypackman.com/human-design.html) This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her compani es, or record labels. All opinions are our own.

This episode Cait and Kitty find and share invisible strings that connect Taylor Swift's latest album, The Tortured Poet's Department, to past albums in her discography. Whether musically, lyrically, or through muses, Kitty and Cait share the connections they feel link back to other beloved songs and there are a lot more than you think. Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait’s poetry book! https://mailchi.mp/fd43f9bd2657/mildly-poisonous This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.

Kitty and Cait tackle another lyrical analysis this episode and go back to high school to walk through the doors of being 15 again. Kitty and Cait talk about their lives and views as young teenagers, dive into the insight Taylor had about this age, and the meaning behind the song! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman Cait’s poetry book! https://mailchi.mp/fd43f9bd2657/mildly-poisonous This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our ow

This episode Cait and Kitty share their raw first takes and impressions on Taylor Swift's newest album, the Tortured Poets Department. And they did their first impressions separately so they didn't influence each other (or even know) what each other says. Each host shares their feelings when first listening and also their top 10 new favs! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own. 

This episode, Kitty and Cait break down the 5 stages of grief playlists that came out on Apple music and broke the internet. They share the lists, what Taylor said about them, and their reactions to songs included on them, some of which surprised (and broke) a lot of Swifties! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own. 

This episode, Kitty and Cait deep dive into the lyrics of Fearless (the song!). What does fearless really mean? Kitty and Cait share their thoughts and opinions and open up about times in their life that were scary, but they did it anyway! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.

In this episode, Cait and Kitty discuss Taylor Swift's upcoming album The Tortured Poet's Department. They discuss their excitement and thoughts on the vibes and concepts that TTPD could bring to the table. They also go over every song title and share their predictions of what the songs could be like. Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own

In this episode, the girls share their perspectives on Fearless, the album, as a whole. They shared their experiences living through the album release, and the re-recorded version, the concept behind this album, what it makes them feel, and so much more. Fearless fans, let's dive head first, fearless into this album! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.

We're back with another episode deep diving on our personal journeys on how we became Swifties. This week, Cait is diving into her very unique and somewhat complex experience becoming a Taylor Swift fan, and the details will surprise you! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.

This episode of the They Assume We Know Nothing (yes, a slight name change!) the podcast we are deep diving into Kitty's Version of her journey as a Swiftie from beginning to end! Learn more about Kitty, her life, her past, and how she came to fall in love with our girl Tay! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittypackman This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own. 

This episode breaks down what our podcast is all about. We discuss our concept, why we are two of the biggest Taylor Swift fans, and our deep love for women being in their power and how Taylor paved the way emotionally for so many to feel their feels. Get to know us a little better before we deep dive into our Swiftie Journeys! Contact us! Email us: [email protected] Our Instagram: www.instagram.com/theyassumeweknownothingpod Follow us! Cait’s instagram: www.instagram.com/iamcaitlinapple Kitty’s instagram: www.instagram.com/kittypackman This podcast is in no way related to or endorsed by Taylor Swift, her companies, or record labels. All opinions are our own.