Think Outside the Boss

What if your ideas aren’t failing… you’re just not built to carry them through?In this episode of Think Outside the Boss, Katie Armentrout sits down with innovation strategist and CEO Fiona Stevenson to unpack the uncomfortable truth behind why great ideas stall, die, or never make it out of the room.Because it’s not strategy. It’s not creativity. And it’s definitely not a lack of ideas.It’s human nature.Fiona shares what really happens inside innovation, from fear and perfectionism to leadership blind spots and the emotional resistance that quietly kills momentum. Drawing from hundreds of innovation projects and her new book Built for Breakthrough, she reveals why even “foolproof” processes fail when humans are involved… and what actually gets ideas across the finish line.This conversation goes beyond innovation. It’s about leadership, identity, risk, and the courage to move forward when you can’t see the path.If you’ve ever felt stuck between having an idea and actually executing it… this will shift how you think about everything.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why innovation fails even when the process is “foolproof”The hidden role fear plays in killing great ideasWhy not seeing the path ahead is actually a good signThe difference between having ideas and executing themHow perfectionism quietly destroys leadership and innovationWhy your team mirrors your energy, not your intentionsThe real reason leaving a stable career feels terrifyingHow to build momentum when everything feels uncertainWhy energy, not time, is your most valuable resourceThe mindset shift that turns ideas into realityWe talk about:00:00 Why innovation isn’t actually the problem04:00 Fiona’s early leadership instincts and entrepreneurial mindset08:00 From corporate comfort to taking the leap into the unknown12:00 Why not seeing the path is a sign you’re on the right one16:00 The emotional reality of leaving stability behind20:00 How Fiona built a million-dollar business in year one24:00 The “say yes, make friends, experiment” growth strategy28:00 Why energy, not time, determines your output32:00 The power of working in your zone of genius36:00 Perfectionism, leadership, and the cost of hiding failure40:00 Why vulnerability transforms team performance44:00 The real reason great ideas stall inside organizationsConnect with FionaLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fiona-stevenson/Website: https://fionastevenson.com/ Kindness At Work: https://www.kindnessatwork.com/ The War of Art by Steven Pressfield https://amzn.to/3OxunjR Built for Breakthrough: https://amzn.to/4203tnN Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout Newsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com#Innovation #Leadership #Entrepreneurship

What if your culture isn’t what you think it is… but what your team actually enforces?In this episode of Think Outside the Boss, Katie Armentrout sits down with entrepreneur, investor, and founder Tim Metzner to unpack what really builds great companies, and why most leaders get it wrong.Because culture isn’t built through mission statements, perks, or leadership speeches. It’s built in the moments where your team decides what’s acceptable, what’s not, and whether they believe you.Tim shares his journey from early startup exposure to building companies that prioritize people, purpose, and performance, and why the best cultures don’t stay top-down for long.If you’ve ever felt like your team isn’t aligned, your culture isn’t sticking, or your leadership isn’t landing the way you want it to… this episode will change how you see everything.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why culture is reinforced by teams, not leadersThe hidden difference between saying values and living themHow great cultures become self-policing systemsWhy most leaders unintentionally create disengagementThe real reason employees don’t feel valuedHow to build trust, care, and accountability inside teamsThe missing link between leadership and employee buy-inWhy scaling makes culture harder, not easierHow to create alignment between individual work and company missionWhat it actually takes to build a culture that lastsWe talk about:00:00 How great cultures become self-reinforcing04:00 Tim’s early startup experience and entrepreneurial spark08:00 First failed startup and lessons on execution12:00 Where Tim’s obsession with culture began16:00 What happens when employees feel truly valued20:00 The gap between leadership intention and impact24:00 Aligning personal growth with company growth (The Alliance model)28:00 Why scaling breaks culture, and how to fix it32:00 Building culture through core values in action36:00 When teams start holding each other accountable40:00 Should you start a business? The real answer43:00 Final leadership lessons and closing insightsConnect with TimLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmetzner/ X: https://x.com/TMetzner Website: https://www.fireroad.io/ The Alliance: Managing Talent in the Networked Age by Reid Hoffman, Ben Casnocha, and Chris Yeh https://amzn.to/4cFL1Wn Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout Newsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com#CompanyCulture #LeadershipDevelopment #BusinessLeadership

Why does your business feel harder… the more successful it becomes?In this episode of Think Outside the Boss, Katie Armentrout sits down with EOS Implementer and former multi-location business owner Kevin Rains to unpack the hidden truth behind growth that most entrepreneurs never see coming.Because scaling isn’t just about making more money. It’s about what happens underneath the growth.Kevin shares how he grew a family business 40x, hit breaking points that put everything at risk, and the exact moment he realized that more revenue wasn’t solving the problem, it was exposing it.What most leaders call “growth pains”… are often signs of something deeper. Lack of structure. Lack of clarity. Lack of a system that can actually support what you’re building.If you’ve ever felt like your team isn’t stepping up the way you need, or you’re making more money but enjoying it less, this episode will show you why, and what to do instead.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why growth can increase chaos instead of solving itThe leadership gap that shows up as your business scalesWhat “hitting the ceiling” really means (and how to break through it)Why simplifying your business is the key to scaling itThe real reason profit disappears, even when revenue increasesHow to build a business that doesn’t rely on you for everythingWhat EOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System) actually does inside a companyThe shift from reactive leadership to structured, intentional growthWe talk about:00:00 The hidden cost of growth no one talks about01:00 Kevin’s journey from small shop to 40x scale05:00 What it feels like to “hit the ceiling” in business06:30 Why doing more stops working as you grow08:00 Scaling through acquisition and what changes09:00 When growth creates risk instead of stability10:00 The moment everything almost fell apart11:30 Why leaders can’t do it alone (even if they try)13:00 Building the right team vs. carrying everything yourself14:00 Discovering EOS and creating structure16:00 Why most businesses operate in chaos without realizing it18:00 Revenue vs. profit, and where leaders get stuck19:30 How chaos impacts your team and culture21:00 The power of simple systems in complex businesses22:00 Doing it yourself vs. getting the right support25:00 The real ROI of structure (time, clarity, peace of mind)27:00 What a true leadership team actually looks like29:00 The weekly meeting that transforms your business31:00 Solving the right problems, not just reacting33:00 Why most teams avoid hard conversations35:00 “Enter the danger” and leading through discomfort37:00 Lessons on profit, purpose, and long-term impactConnect with KevinLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinrains/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevin_rains/ EOS: https://www.eosworldwide.com/ Fierce Conversations by Susan Scott: https://amzn.to/48MILLG Radical Candor by Kim Scott: https://amzn.to/485dELf Profits and Purpose by Kevin A. Rains: https://amzn.to/3Q9p0aV Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout Newsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com#BusinessGrowth #LeadershipDevelopment #Entrepreneurship

What can Taylor Swift teach you about leadership, team building, and scaling something massive?In this episode of Think Outside the Boss, Katie Armentrout breaks down the real leadership lessons behind the Eras Tour, and why most leaders are getting this completely wrong.Because behind the headlines, the sold-out stadiums, and the $2B success story… is something most leaders overlook:No one builds anything great alone.This episode challenges the idea of the “self-made” leader and unpacks what it actually takes to build a high-performing, aligned, and trusted team.If you’ve ever felt like everything depends on you… this one will hit.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why “self-made leadership” is one of the most damaging myths in businessHow sharing the spotlight strengthens your leadership instead of weakening itWhy recognition is a strategic tool, not just a nice gestureWhat high-performing teams actually need in order to step upThe connection between clear standards and team ownershipWhy reinvention is required as you grow, not optionalHow to stop leading on autopilot and start leading with intentionWe talk about:00:00 Why leadership inspiration can come from unexpected places01:00 The Eras Tour as a high-performance organization02:30 The myth of the “self-made” leader05:00 Where leaders try to do too much (and why it backfires)06:30 Sharing the spotlight and building stronger teams09:30 Recognition and why it reinforces what actually matters11:30 The role of standards in high-performing teams13:30 What it takes to execute at a high level consistently15:30 Reinvention, growth, and letting go of old leadership habits17:30 Where leaders get stuck (and don’t realize it)18:30 Why success takes longer than we think19:30 Final leadership gut checks to apply immediatelyConnect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout Newsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com#LeadershipGrowth #HighPerformingTeams #LeadershipDevelopment

What happens when the leadership skills that made you successful… suddenly stop working?In this episode of Think Outside the Boss, Katie Armentrout sits down with Chuck Mingo to unpack a hard truth most leaders learn the hard way, you cannot lead every team the same way, even if you’ve done it before.Chuck shares lessons from leading across corporate, nonprofit, and ministry spaces, and why trying to copy and paste your leadership style can quietly lead to frustration, burnout, and broken trust.This conversation reframes leadership as something situational, not static, and shows why your ability to adapt matters more than your past success.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why leadership does not transfer the way you think it willThe difference between your calling and your assignment as a leaderWhy every new role requires both celebration and griefHow copy-pasting leadership creates friction and burnoutWhat it actually takes to build trust across differencesWhy humility and curiosity outperform authorityHow to lead based on the team in front of you, not the one beforeWe talk about:00:00 Why leadership doesn’t transfer across teams02:00 Chuck’s first leadership experiences and early influence06:00 Leading at Procter & Gamble and navigating power dynamics08:30 Building trust across age, race, and experience differences10:30 A real example of empathy-based leadership in action12:00 Why “powering up” as a leader often fails13:30 Transitioning between corporate, church, and nonprofit leadership15:00 The cost of trying to reuse old leadership frameworks16:30 Calling vs assignment, a mindset shift for every leader18:30 Burnout, misalignment, and learning the hard way20:30 Why every team is a new team22:00 Situational leadership and adapting in real time23:30 The evolution of Undivided and leading through complexity Connect with ChuckInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckmingo/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chuckdmingo Website: https://chuckmingo.com/ / https://undivided.us/ Book Rec: Ordering Your Private World by Gordon MacDonald https://amzn.to/3NPpz93 2026 Super Bowl of Preaching Service: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/super-bowl-of-preaching-2026/id254202585?i=1000748821632: Mingo’s Mangoes commercial starts at 46:17.https://www.crossroads.net/media/series/super-bowl-of-preaching-2026/super-bowl-of-preaching-or-2026?autoPlay=true&sound=11 Mingo’s Mangoes commercial starts at 50:15 Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout Newsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com#AdaptiveLeadership #LeadershipGrowth #ModernLeadership

What if the problem isn’t your effort, but how you see your ideas?In this episode of Think Outside the Boss, Katie Armentrout sits down with Sean Platt, bestselling author, entrepreneur, and founder of Sterling and Stone, to unpack the difference between creating content and building something that actually lasts.Sean shares stories from a career that doesn’t follow a straight line, from running a family flower shop at 17 to building one of the most prolific indie publishing companies in the world. But the real shift came after a major setback, when a million-dollar hit forced him to rethink not just his business, but how he approached ideas, storytelling, and value.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why most creators are dramatically underestimating their intellectual propertyThe difference between creating content and building an IP-driven businessHow Sean rebuilt after a $1M business setback and what it taught him about leadershipWhy thinking “book-first” is limiting your growth potentialHow to turn one idea into multiple revenue streams across platformsWhy innovation, not consistency alone, is what drives long-term successWe talk about:00:00 The moment Sean realized he was “the boss” at 1702:30 Leadership pressure, responsibility, and hard decisions early on05:00 Why culture and standards matter more than comfort08:30 Customer experience, emotional environments, and business impact11:00 Hitting a wall, burnout, and a $1M business collapse13:30 Stepping away from CEO and losing direction15:00 The shift from ghostwriting to IP strategy17:00 Why most creators undervalue their ideas23:00 Why you can’t scale everything, and shouldn’t try25:00 Culture reset, entitlement, and rebuilding the right team27:00 The danger of trusting the wrong people in leadership29:00 Trusting your instincts vs overthinking decisions31:00 The biggest leadership lesson Sean learned the hard way33:00 Lightning round, books, failure, and creative influenceConnect with SeanLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanplatt/ Website: https://sterlingandstone.net/ Book Rec: The Talisman by Stephen King https://amzn.to/3NNxDXH Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout Newsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com#IntellectualProperty #BuildInPublic #EntrepreneurMindset

What does it actually mean to lead like a coach?In this episode, Katie Armentrout sits down with Paul Spence, Chief Development Officer of Pillar Media, to explore the leadership mindset that elevates teams instead of controlling them.Paul shares lessons from a leadership journey that began in unexpected places, including being elected leader of a break-dancing group at age twelve, running a homeless shelter in his mid-twenties, and leading major nonprofit fundraising initiatives that raised more than $100 million. Along the way, he learned that leadership is not about authority or titles. It is about developing people.Paul explains why great leaders adopt a coaching mentality, helping the people around them grow, solve problems, and perform at their highest level.You’ll discover:Why leadership works best when leaders adopt a coaching mindsetHow great leaders elevate the people around them instead of controlling themWhat leaders can learn from sports about building strong teamsHow to guide teams through fear and uncertainty during major changeWhy organizational culture is shaped by how leaders treat peopleHow humility and self-awareness improve leadership effectivenessHow feedback reveals leadership blind spots that limit growthWhy leaders must balance compassion with accountabilityWe talk about:00:00 Intro01:30 Becoming a leader at age twelve in a break-dancing group03:30 Why Paul views leadership through a coaching mindset05:00 Managing fear and uncertainty during major organizational change09:30 Key differences between nonprofit and for-profit leadership13:30 The challenge of restructuring teams without resources15:00 Wearing different leadership hats when supporting team members17:30 How leaders communicate ideas without overpowering teams21:00 Learning empathy and improving communication as a leader24:30 Favorite leadership books and influences26:30 Leadership lessons learned from failureConnect with PaulLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pspence1/ Website: https://pillarmedia.com/ / https://star933.com/ Book Rec: The Advantage by Patrick Lencioni https://amzn.to/47PlvfA Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout / https://www.linkedin.com/company/peoplefluence-llcNewsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com

Fear quietly shapes more leadership decisions than most people realize.In this episode, Katie Armentrout sits down with Darrin Murriner, CEO and Co-founder of Cloverleaf and author of Corporate Bravery, to explore how fear influences leadership, decision-making, and workplace culture.Darrin shares how his early leadership experience at just 17 years old managing a Burger King revealed the complicated power dynamics that come with leadership. Darrin explains why fear-based leadership leads to poor decisions, broken trust, and stalled innovation. Instead, he argues that leaders must build cultures rooted in trust, psychological safety, and courageous decision-making.Learn:Why fear is one of the most powerful forces shaping leadership decisionsThe leadership mindset required to build courageous organizationsWhy psychological safety is essential for healthy leadership teamsHow leaders can create cultures where people speak up and challenge ideasWhy strong teams outperform even the most talented individualsHow behavioral assessments improve communication and team collaborationThe role AI coaching tools can play in leadership developmentWe talk about:00:00 Intro04:40 The leadership moment that forced a mindset shift06:00 Self-awareness, leadership mistakes, and personal growth08:40 Psychological safety and why teams must challenge each other12:40 How culture is shaped by what leaders tolerate13:10 Inside Cloverleaf and AI-powered leadership coaching17:30 Applying behavioral insights to improve team communication22:00 Starting Cloverleaf and making courageous business decisions25:00 Building the right team and knowing your leadership limits27:00 Why leadership growth determines the ceiling of your team29:30 Lightning round: books, failures, and leadership lessons34:00 Walk-on music and final reflectionsConnect with DarrinFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/darrin.murriner/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/murriner/ Website: https://cloverleaf.me/ Book Rec: Good to Great by Jim Collins https://amzn.to/4cVHEMV Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout / https://www.linkedin.com/company/peoplefluence-llcNewsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com

What if being “nice” is hurting your team?Leadership feedback is one of the most uncomfortable skills leaders have to learn, and one of the most important.In the first episode of Think Outside the Boss, leadership coach Katie Armentrout explains why avoiding difficult conversations in the name of being “nice” actually damages trust, performance, and team growth.Katie shares a real story from early in her corporate career when she unknowingly sent incorrect reports to dozens of leaders for weeks without anyone telling her. The mistake itself was fixable, but the silence around it revealed a deeper leadership problem.This episode breaks down why courageous leaders communicate clearly, address problems directly, and create environments where people can grow through honest feedback.If you manage people, own a business, or want to lead more effectively, this episode will change how you think about communication and accountability.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why people cannot fix problems they do not know existThe difference between nice leadership and courageous leadershipWhy avoiding conflict weakens teamsHow to communicate feedback clearly without sugarcoatingThe leadership habit that quietly destroys trustWe talk about:00:00 Why leaders must stop being “nice”01:00 The story that changed Katie’s leadership philosophy03:30 The leadership mistake that allowed the problem to continue06:30 The impact of silence on confidence and trust09:30 How to clearly communicate problems to your team12:00 The NICE leadership acronym explained13:30 Three takeaways every leader should rememberConnect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout / https://www.linkedin.com/company/peoplefluence-llcNewsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com#LeadershipFeedback #LeadershipDevelopment #LeadershipCommunication #ManagementSkills #TeamLeadership

What if the key to solving employee turnover has nothing to do with hiring better people?In this episode of Think Outside the Boss, Katie Armentrout sits down with Mary Miller, founder of the Dream Engineer program and the leadership pioneer whose work inspired the bestselling book The Dream Manager.In this conversation, Mary shares the leadership mindset that made it possible, why leaders must stop playing the victim when facing staffing challenges, and how creating an environment where employees grow personally leads to stronger businesses.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why employee turnover is often a leadership design problemThe leadership shift that helped dramatically reduce turnoverWhy solving employees’ real-life obstacles builds loyaltyHow dream-driven leadership strengthens team engagementWe talk about:00:00 Introduction to Mary Miller and the Dream Engineer program02:00 How Jan-Coa transformed from a small cleaning company into an industry leader04:00 The leadership moment that changed how Mary approached staffing06:00 Why leaders must change the questions they ask about hiring10:00 Solving transportation challenges to improve employee retention15:00 Leadership lessons from connecting directly with employees19:00 How the Dream Engineer program was created23:00 Why leaders must stop playing the victim in staffing challenges28:00 The power of conversations and collaboration inside teams34:00 Creating an environment where employees support each other’s growth38:00 Why dreaming about the future prevents burnout41:00 Lightning round: leadership books, advice, and personality tests44:00 Mary’s biggest failure and the lesson it taught herConnect with MaryInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mary_dreamsbig LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-miller-dreams/ Website: www.DreamEngineer.com Book Rec: The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz https://amzn.to/46R2ucj The Dream Manager by Matthew Kelly: https://amzn.to/465jSK8 Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout / https://www.linkedin.com/company/peoplefluence-llcNewsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com

What does it really mean to lead people, not just manage them?In this episode of Think Outside the Boss, Katie Armentrout sits down with leadership facilitator and entrepreneur Greg Walker, founder of Catalyst Training Group, to unpack the real work of leadership.Greg shares the moment he realized leadership meant carrying the weight of other people’s livelihoods, when he had to fire someone early in his management career and understood the responsibility that comes with being “the boss.”Rather than relying on authority, Greg leaned into a leadership philosophy he calls “connect before you correct.” Through relationship-building, structured conversations, behavioral insights, and intentional culture design, the team eventually began managing itself.In this episode, you’ll discover:Why authority alone does not create strong teamsThe leadership principle “connect before you correct”How relationship capital builds trust within teamsWhy understanding behavioral styles improves team communicationHow leaders can shift conflict into productive conversationsWhy team culture must be intentionally designedHow leaders can build teams that hold themselves accountableWe talk about:00:00 Introducing Greg Walker and Catalyst Training Group02:10 The moment Greg realized he was truly “the boss”08:30 Greg’s leadership background and early career lessons11:45 Connect before you correct, the leadership principle that changes teams17:00 Rebuilding trust and developing relationship capital with your team23:00 Practical strategies for transforming team culture27:30 Why shared experiences strengthen team dynamics30:00 Creating accountability through culture and social contracts33:20 Encouraging healthy conflict and open feedback38:00 Greg’s story of homelessness and the character it built40:00 Greg’s walk-on song and final leadership reflectionsConnect with GregLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-walker-8a2b7064/ Website: https://www.catalysttrainings.com/ Recommended Book: Bridges Out of Poverty https://amzn.to/40LLQav Connect with meInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/katie_armentroutYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@katiearmentroutLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiearmentrout / https://www.linkedin.com/company/peoplefluence-llcNewsletter: http://www.peoplefluence.com/newsletterWebsite: http://www.peoplefluence.com

Leadership would be easy if it weren’t for the people.Think Outside the Boss is a leadership podcast for business owners, founders, and people leaders who are tired of managing team drama and ready to lead differently, more human, more effective, and with a lot less exhaustion.Hosted by Katie Armentrout, a recovering corporate leader turned entrepreneur, this show challenges traditional leadership development and replaces it with something far more useful. Clear thinking. Better conversations. And one practical action you can try right away.Through honest solo episodes and real conversations with experienced leaders, Think Outside the Boss explores proven leadership frameworks, innovative ideas, and people-first tools you can actually use. No theory for theory’s sake. No performative leadership nonsense.You’ll learn how to:Strengthen trust and accountability without micromanagingNavigate team conflict and communication breakdownsBuild a culture where employees feel valued and customers stay loyalLead people with clarity instead of controlThere’s no silver bullet when it comes to people. But there are better ways to think, choose, and lead.No corporate lingo bingo.No meeting after the meeting.If leadership has started to feel heavier than it should, this podcast is your invitation to Think Outside the Boss.🎧 New episodes weekly🌐 https://www.peoplefluence.com/podcast