Unmuted Education Podcast
by Seth Hollier, Coebie Logan, and Derek
Unmuted is where real conversations happen. Hosted by three friends with very different worldviews—one deeply religious, one spiritual, and one atheist—we explore the messy, meaningful topics that shape our lives. From parenting and education to leadership and personal growth, we talk openly and honestly about what matters. No filters, no echo chambers—just thoughtful dialogue, unexpected laughter, and a commitment to learning from one another. Whether you agree, disagree, or land somewhere in between, Unmuted is a space to listen, reflect, and be heard.
Episodes
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Episode 52 (Lynn Misch-Segment 2 The diagnosis in 2006)
Second segment with Lynn Misch we are going to start where we left off on: And that’s exactly why we’re not ending Lynn’s story here. Today was about understanding where she came from. In our next conversation, we’re going to begin exploring what happened when that life and those beliefs started…
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Episode 51 (Before the Healer: The Life That Shaped Lynn Misch)
Before we understand someone's work, sometimes we need to understand the life that shaped it. In this episode, Coebie begins a multi-part conversation with nurse practitioner, educator, and integrative-health practitioner Lynn Misch. Rather than trying to fit decades of life, loss, medicine,...
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Episode 50 (When Kids Run the Show: Boundaries, Consequences & Parenting)
What happens when helping kids manage their emotions turns into letting them run the show? In this episode, Coebie and Derek welcome back an anonymous guest — a mother of three and educator — for a candid conversation about boundaries, consequences, discipline, independence, and some of the...
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Episode 49 (Healing Beyond the Body: Yesenia’s Cancer Journey Part Three)
Healing from a serious diagnosis isn't always just about what shows up on a scan or in a blood test. In Part Three of Yesenia's breast cancer journey, Coebie and Yes move into a much more personal conversation about the emotional, relational, and spiritual experiences that have surfaced along the...
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Episode 48 (Beyond the Diagnosis: Yesenia’s Personal Approach to Healing)
After a cancer diagnosis, what comes next? In Part Two of Yesenia’s story, Coebie sits down with her again to talk about the changes she chose to make after surgery and the research that shaped her personal approach to health and recovery. Following her breast cancer diagnosis and lumpectomy,...
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Episode 47 (Stand in Your Truth: One Woman’s Cancer Journey and the Power of Self-Advocacy)
What happens when a cancer diagnosis suddenly puts you into a world of appointments, specialists, recommendations, decisions, and fear? In this episode, Coebie sits down with Yesenia to talk about her breast cancer diagnosis and the deeply personal journey that followed. Before her diagnosis,...
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Episode 46 (Love Doesn’t Mean Rescue: Letting Kids Do Hard Things)
What does it really mean to “have your kid’s back”? Does it mean stepping in every time something feels unfair? Calling the coach? Fighting the teacher? Fixing the problem? Or does love sometimes mean standing beside your child while they work through something difficult themselves? In this...
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Episode 45 (Tell Me the Truth: Raising Kids Who Don’t Have to Hide)
Every kid lies. The bigger question is: What do we do when they do? In this episode, Coebie and Derek continue their parenting series with a conversation about truth, trust, consequences, and why holding kids accountable to reality is an important part of helping them feel safe. Drawing from…
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Episode 44 (Parenting With Humility: Letting Your Kids See You Be Wrong)
What happens when your kid is right… and you’re the one who needs to own it? In this episode, Coebie and Derek continue their conversation about parenting by tackling something that can be incredibly difficult for parents: humility. They share personal stories about losing patience, holding onto...
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Episode 43 (Every Kid Needs a Model: What Our Children Learn From Watching Us)
Derek and Coebie continue their conversation on parenting by getting personal about one of the most powerful influences in a child’s life: the example set by the adults around them. In this episode, they share some of their own worst—and best—parenting moments, from losing patience and using the...
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Episode 42 (They Learn From What We Do: The Power of Modeling in Parenting)
Children are always watching, even when parents do not realize it. In this episode of Unmuted, Coebie and Derek explore the first universal principle of parenting: modeling. They reflect honestly on their own parenting mistakes, emotional triggers, communication habits, and the behaviors they…
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Bonus Episode: Christopher Driesang on Education, Local Control and Representing House District 35
House District 35 Republican candidate Christopher Driesang joins the Unmuted crew for a wide-ranging conversation about education, local control and the future of representation in Natrona County. Drawing from his experience as an educator and Director of Student Support Services for Natrona...
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Bonus Episode : “The Republican That Comes With Receipts” | Julie Jarvis on Re-Election & Wyoming Politics
Representative Julie Jarvis joins Unmuted to talk about her re-election campaign, the realities of serving in Wyoming’s citizen legislature, and why transparency has become the cornerstone of her campaign. From campaign misinformation and constituent surveys to water rights, AI data centers,...
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Episode 41 (Your Children Are Watching: The Importance of Modeling)
In this episode of Unmuted, Coebie and Derek begin a new conversation about the principles that shape healthy parenting. Drawing from nearly 50 years of combined experience in education, along with their own experiences as fathers, they explore how children learn far more from what adults model...
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Bonus: Unmuted Returns (Season Two, the Casper Youth Hub, and What Comes Next)
Unmuted is officially back. In this special season two preview, Kobe, Derek, and Seth reconnect to share what they have been working on and what listeners can expect from the new season. Seth gives an emotional update on the grand opening of the Casper Youth Hub, a free creative space where young...
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Episode 40 (Practice Equals Growth: Rebuilding Education Through Trust, Coaching, and Community)
In this episode, Coebie, Seth, and Derek sit down with longtime educator and author Grover Swick to talk about what it really means to inspire students, build learning communities, and help kids believe in their own growth. Grover shares stories from more than three decades in education…
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Episode 39 (The Whole-Body Tune-Up: Acupuncture, Chinese Medicine, and Learning to Listen to Your Body)
In this episode, Coebie and Derek sit down with Alicia Bynum, owner of Sweetgrass Acupuncture in Casper, Wyoming, for a wide-ranging conversation about acupuncture, Chinese medicine, herbs, intuition, and whole-person wellness. Alicia shares her journey from graphic design and marketing into...
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Episode 38 (Cathy and Brandy Go to Cheyenne: How HB 8 and HB 9 Became Law)
Cathy Holman and Brandy Sorensen return to share the powerful story behind Wyoming’s HB 8 and HB 9, two new laws aimed at protecting children from stalking and grooming. They walk through the emotional, exhausting, and unexpected journey from committee hearings to unanimous votes, the governor’s...
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Episode 37 (How Natrona Lost the Table)
In this episode, we sit down with longtime Natrona County educator Doreen McGlade to trace the origins of the district’s compact and the trust-based, consensus-driven process it was meant to protect. From its roots in the turmoil of 1999 to today’s concerns over school closures, broken...
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Episode 36 (The Sandlot Comes to Wyoming: Grant Gelt on Baseball, Nostalgia, and Community)
In this special episode, we sit down with Grant Gelt, best known as Bertram from The Sandlot, for a fun and heartfelt conversation about the lasting legacy of the film, lifelong friendships with the cast, and how that childhood classic has grown into something bigger than baseball. Grant shares…
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Episode 35 (Natural Healing, Herbal Wisdom, and Alpenglow Natural Living with Terri)
In this episode, we welcome Terri, owner of Alpenglow Natural Living in Casper, Wyoming, to talk about her journey from education into natural healing and herbal wellness. Terri shares how personal experiences with her children’s health, family healing stories, and her own recovery from a serious...
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Episode 34 (From School Counseling to Cold-Pressed Wellness: Anna Studer of The Lovely Lemon)
In this episode, we take a refreshing break from our usual education-focused conversations to talk health, wellness, and community impact with Anna Studer, owner of The Lovely Lemon in Casper, Wyoming. Anna shares how her personal journey with juicing, motherhood, and health led her from school...
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Episode 33 (Charter Schools in Wyoming: What They Are, How They Work, and What’s Next)
With school closures stirring anxiety for parents across Natrona County, the conversation turns to one big question: what other options are there? In this episode, the hosts sit down with Joe Feiler—a 35-year education veteran, former CTE teacher, and current member of the Wyoming Charter School...
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Episode 32 (From Jetsons to Westworld: When AI Gets Useful—and When It Gets Scary)
Cody Sullivan returns and the conversation goes from light jokes to big questions fast. The crew debates whether AI is “smarter” than humans, why our brains run on about 12 watts while AI gulps city-sized power, and what happens when automation doesn’t just replace jobs—but replaces purpose. From...
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Episode 31 (The Wellness Way: Why We Test, Not Guess with Dr. Isaac Castellanos)
The hosts shift into the wellness space with special guest Dr. Isaac Castellanos, a chiropractor and former Fleet Marine Force Corpsman whose path into healthcare began in high school volunteering in the ER and running emergency calls with a California fire department. Isaac shares how years in...
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Episode 30 (Taking Ownership of Education: A Conversation on Homeschooling and Connection)
In this episode, the hosts sit down with Cross True—homeschooled K–12 and now planning to homeschool his own children—to unpack why more families are considering homeschooling and what it actually looks like day to day. The conversation avoids “anti-public school” framing and instead focuses on…
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Episode 29 (CTE: The Workforce We Can’t Afford to Lose)
In this episode of Unmuted, we’re joined by Rob Hill and Andy Elston for a candid conversation about Career & Technical Education (CTE) and the urgent workforce gap facing Wyoming. Rob shares his path from the trades into teaching and workforce policy, and Andy explains how early hands-on...
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Bonus Episode (What Recalibration Could Mean for Teachers: Class Sizes, Cuts, and Categorical Funding)
Julie Jarvis returns with a boots-on-the-ground legislative update as Wyoming heads into session—and the stakes for public education are high. In this episode, the crew breaks down the Wyoming school funding “recalibration” bill and why Julie believes the current proposal could reshape classrooms...
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Transparency Test: The Records Request Runaround
In this stripped-down, two-host check-in, Seth and Coebie pull listeners behind the scenes of their ongoing public records fight with Natrona County School District. They break down two key requests: who authored the Barnon and Woods school closure recommendation documents (and the broader...
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Episode 28 Problem Based Learning with Don Anderson
On this episode the team talks with don anderson about his implementation of problem based learning and his transition from college to k-12 teaching.
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HB9: Closing the Grooming Loophole — Brandy Sorensen’s Fight to Protect Wyoming Kids
In this episode of Unmuted, we sit down with Brandy Sorensen—Wyoming mom, realtor, and advocate—to unpack House Bill 9 (HB9), a proposal aimed at making the grooming of minors a felony. Brandy shares how her family’s experience exposed legal gaps, what “grooming” looks like before it crosses...
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Bonus Episode (The Petition, What Happens Next: Woods & Bar Nunn School Closures)
After the district’s decision to close Woods Learning Center and Bar Nunn Elementary, Seth and Coebie explain why they launched a petition—and why transparency matters, especially when families feel blindsided. Joined by Eric Nelsen, they unpack the petition process, what the school board can…
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Episode 27 (Same Goal, Different Path: Rethinking Discipline w/ Ted Hanson
In this episode, I chat with Ted Hanson about the complexities of behavior and discipline in education, building on our previous discussion. We explore the importance of understanding each child's unique background and context when addressing behavioral issues. Ted emphasizes a nuanced approach…
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Episode 26 (Grit, Grace, and a Broken System w/ Prairie Wife in Heels)
In this episode of Unmuted, we sit down with Cathy Holman, known to many as Prairie Wife and Heels, to talk about a story no family should ever have to live through: an adult stalking and harassing a minor through fake numbers, impersonation, and calculated attacks meant to isolate and…
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Episode 25 (Artificial Intelligence, Real Consequences: A Foundational Conversation w/ Cody Sulivan)
This episode features Cody Sullivan discussing his journey into artificial intelligence as a product change manager at Mesa Power Solutions. The conversation covers the evolution of AI, the distinction between traditional and modern applications, and the concept of AI "hallucinations." The hosts...
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Episode 24 (Permission to Create — Ditching the one-path myth with Whitney Asay and Ari Burback)
In this interview, Whitney Asay discusses her journey from a family photography business to becoming a community advocate and entrepreneur. She reflects on her experiences in education, emphasizing the challenges faced by marginalized students and the need for understanding socioeconomic factors…
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Episode 23 (No Voice, No Vote, No $$$: Send Your Funding Where You’re Heard - Wyoming Virtual Academy - a better option)
When districts stop listening, families have another option — take their kids, and the dollars that follow them, to schools that do. We sit down with Lisa Williams, principal of the Wyoming Virtual Academy and State Board of Education member, to talk about transparency, accountability, and why...
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Addendum 3: "Bottlenecks to Breakthroughs — The real job of an administrator"
In this episode, we explore the crucial role of school administrators in removing barriers that hinder effective learning. Inspired by Shane's insights, we discuss how educational leaders can navigate systemic challenges by embodying qualities like humility and clear communication. The…
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Addendum 2: "Life Ready - The School That Put Students in Charge" - Shane Ogden Interview
In this episode, Shane Ogden, Superintendent of Meeteetse, Wyoming, discusses his transformative vision for education focused on problem-based learning and student-led initiatives. He shares insights on the implementation of programs like Genius Hour, fostering a culture of professional…
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Episode 22 (Beyond the Headline: What We Really Said About School Closures)
In this episode, we critically analyze a Casper Star Tribune article about our community's school closures, emphasizing the need for accurate media representation. Joined by Seth and Derek, we discuss our petition advocating for educational continuity and community engagement. We highlight the...
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Addendum 1: “Behind the Desk — The Hidden Responsibilities of a Superintendent
The interview features Deb, the superintendent of Fremont County School District 21 in Fort Washakie, Wyoming. Deb begins by outlining her typical day, emphasizing the diverse responsibilities a superintendent holds that often go unrecognized by the public. She notes that her work starts with…
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Episode 21 (The Meeteetse Model: Family-First, Student-Led, Community-Built)
This episode features a compelling discussion with my co-hosts, Seth and Derek, about our transformative field trip to Meeteetse, focused on the role of leadership in education. We explore insights gained from interviewing 48 superintendents and visiting Shane Ogden's school, where collaboration...
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Finding Your Inner Calm: Integrative Healing with Nurse Practitioner Lynn Misch
Lynn Misch, a family nurse practitioner with nearly 40 years of experience, discusses her health journey and her upcoming wellness summit focused on cultivating inner calm. She shares insights from her cancer diagnosis that led her to explore integrative health practices and the importance of...
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Not Muted: Community Voice, School Closures, and Media Spin
In this episode, we analyze a contentious article from the Casper Star Tribune regarding school closures in Natrona County. Joined by Derek and Seth, we reflect on how media language shapes public perception and misrepresents our intentions. We clarify our commitment to meaningful discourse about...
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Episode 20 (Ted Hanson — Relationships Before Rules): Trauma-Informed Special Ed
In this episode, I speak with Ted Hanson, Deputy Executive Director at BOCES 5, about his journey in special education. Ted emphasizes the importance of building relationships with students, especially those from trauma backgrounds, and discusses the unique challenges faced by BOCES 5 in…
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Episode 19 (After the Announcement w/ Beth and Abby)
When a school closes, the loss is real for students, families, educators, and the neighborhoods around them. In this conversation, Beth, Abby, Seth, and Kobe talk about what happens inside us after news like this and how to move through it with care and intention. We name what grief can look…
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Tech Tips - Wait, That’s a Real Punctuation Mark‽
In this episode, we explore the unique punctuation mark known as the interrobang, which marries a question mark with an exclamation point. I share my personal journey in educational technology, reflecting on my experiences as a classroom teacher and principal, while my colleague Seth introduces…
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Episode 18 - Classroom Discipline
In this episode, I explore the complexities of discipline in the classroom, drawing from my experiences as a former educator. We question the educator's role in discipline and emphasize the importance of building respectful relationships with students. I share personal anecdotes illustrating the...
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Episode 17 - Failing Up
In this episode titled "Failing Up," we address the alarming trend of educational institutions prioritizing promotion over actual learning. Starting with a listener's account of high schools as diploma mills, we discuss the ethics of passing unprepared students and the impact of ineffective...
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Recess Talk and Exciting New updates
In this episode, we delve into the recent transformations taking place not just in our podcast space but also in our broader approach to content creation. The discussion kicks off with an entertaining dialogue about the mall's revitalization, providing a light-hearted backdrop that mirrors our…
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About this show
Unmuted is where real conversations happen. Hosted by three friends with very different worldviews—one deeply religious, one spiritual, and one atheist—we explore the messy, meaningful topics that shape our lives. From parenting and education to leadership and personal growth, we talk openly and honestly about what matters. No filters, no echo chambers—just thoughtful dialogue, unexpected laughter, and a commitment to learning from one another. Whether you agree, disagree, or land somewhere in between, Unmuted is a space to listen, reflect, and be heard.
Hosted by
Seth Hollier, Coebie Logan, and Derek
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