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Van Hesser's 3 Things in Credit - A KBRA Podcast
by KBRA
Each week, KBRA's Chief Strategist, Van Hesser will address three things that caught his attention in credit markets that are relevant to credit investors.
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Rates vs. Oil, Critical Thresholds, and REITs vs. BDCs.
This week, our 3 Things are:Rates vs. oil. There’s been a breakdown in the relationship. Critical thresholds. We’re highlighting three worth watching. REITs vs. BDCs. Two peas in a pod, right?
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Deflation, Credit Loss Cycle, and CCC Signal.
This week, our 3 Things are:Deflation. It’s a check on the market’s most significant near-term risk. Credit loss cycle. Is it upon us? CCC signal. What the weakest credits are suggesting.
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Hyperscaler Debt Issuance, Next-Wave Growth, and Industrial Renaissance
This week, our 3 Things are:Hyperscaler debt issuance. Funding the AI build-out goes global. Next-wave growth. Beyond AI and wealthy household spending, these forces will help. Industrial Renaissance. How real is it?
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Waller Redirect, Income Slowdown, and 2026 Default Forecasts.
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Waller redirect. One of the Fed’s thought leaders says risks have changed. We’ll dig into what he’s seeing. 2. Income slowdown. The raw material that drives the economy is running into headwinds. 3. 2026 default forecasts. We’ll get the latest update from KBRA Analytics’ Eric Rosenthal.
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Rates’ Risk, Stock vs. Bond Volatility, and Consumer Color.
This week, our 3 Things are:Rates’ risk. What does it mean for credit?Stock vs. bond volatility. Something has to give. Consumer color. We canvas bellwether transcripts for an up-to-date view.
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Jobs Rebound, Shock Watch, and Historic Uncertainty.
This week, our 3 Things are:Jobs rebound. Have we reached an inflection point?Shock watch. Inflation, energy, and food are all set to move the wrong way. Is this priced into risk? Historic uncertainty. Three experienced voices weigh in on what’s in front of us.
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Changing Narratives, Earnings Surge, and Nonlinear Oil Move
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Changing narratives. Better visibility and perspective on issues that drove a selloff in risk earlier this spring.2. Earnings surge. It’s not just tech. 3. Nonlinear oil move. The risk of a spike is growing.
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What We’re Watching, Defaults Two Ways, and Oil Price Perspective
This week, our 3 Things are:1. What we’re watching. Fresh off the press from our Forward Look publication.2. Defaults two ways. We compare market prices to the bottom-up view. 3. Oil price perspective. Getting past the threat of “$100 oil.”
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Earnings Growth, Bank Exposure to Nonbanks, and Constructive Pessimism
This week, our 3 Things are:Earnings growth. One observer describes earnings growth as “soaring.” Is that right?Bank exposure to nonbanks. Should we be worried about the linkage?Constructive pessimism. It’s present and it’s bondholder-friendly.
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Growth Shock vs. Inflation Shock, Big Bank Credit Color, and IMF Sours
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Growth shock vs. inflation shock. What’s the biggest risk?2. Big bank credit color. Real-time read on credit from the largest lenders.3. IMF sours. Its latest forecasts recognize a laundry list of risks.
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Resiliency, Dimon on Credit, Consumer Trends
This week, our 3 Things are:Resiliency. The U.S. economy has demonstrated that in spades. But is it sustainable?Dimon on credit. Getting past the headlines.Consumer trends. We identify three flying under the radar.
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Shock Risk, Loan Growth Surge, and Earnings Relief
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Shock risk. Risk is rising, but will credit reprice?2. Loan growth surge. Where did that come from?3. Earnings relief. Good news is on the horizon.
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Earnings vs. Oil, Systemic Leverage, and Stagflation
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Earnings vs. oil. We have an interesting comparison between the two.2. Systemic leverage. Don’t lose sight of where we stand.3. Stagflation. Is it really back?
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Bond Havens, Oracle Reassures, and Risk Reprice
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Bond havens. The flight to quality has shifted.2. Oracle reassures. An AI lightning rod reports earnings and outlook.3. Risk reprice. Where is it happening?
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Productivity Boom or Savings Drain, Labor Pessimism, and Inflation Pressure
This week, our 3 Things are:Productivity boom or savings drain? Peeling the onion on sources of growth.Labor pessimism. Is the jobs picture really “weak and fragile”? Inflation pressure. It’s building.
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Fed in Flux, Single-Bs Widening, and HALOs
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Fed in flux. Moving toward neutral.2. Single-Bs widening. What does it signal?3. HALOs. A new investing acronym and a sign of the times.
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Delinquencies Warning, Utilities Unicorns, and K-Shapes
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Delinquencies warning. Is that really a thing???2. Utilities unicorns. Can a sector be both defensive and growth?3. K-Shapes. They’re present in places beyond the consumer.
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Retail Sales Disconnect, Labor’s Lost Leverage, and Rising Hyperscaler Issuance
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Retail sales disconnect. It’s normalizing, but not as weak as the latest data.2. Labor’s lost leverage. More of the economic spoils are going to capital—is that a bad thing?3. Rising hyperscaler issuance. Massive new issue supply is forcing investors to rethink the status quo.
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Margin Lift, Excitable Risk, and The Path of Interest Rates
This week, our 3 Things are:Margin lift. They’re high and expected to go higher.Excitable risk. Volatility is back. Just how much matters to credit fundamentals?The path of interest rates. The consensus is calling for a 4-bp range for the 10-year over the next six quarters. What does that tell you?
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What We’re Watching, Visa/Mastercard Spending Update, and KBRA DLD Default Forecasts
This week, our 3 Things are:1. What we’re watching. Here’s what we believe will shape credit valuation over the near-term.2. Visa/Mastercard spending update. The latest read from the global payments titans. 3. KBRA DLD default forecasts. Our own Eric Rosenthal weighs in with his outlook for 2026.
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Bond Vigilantes, The Cost of Gloom, and Biggest Risks
This week, our 3 Things are:Bond vigilantes. Volatility has come to sovereign debt markets. What’s next?The cost of gloom. The Economist newspaper says it’s the world’s main economic risk. Biggest risks. Speaking of risk, here’s what market participants believe pose the biggest risk to market stability.
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Housing Headwinds, Big Bank Credit Color, Supply Surge
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Housing headwinds. Are we close to unlocking real value? 2. Big bank credit color. Where did the cockroaches go? 3. Supply surge. 2026 figures to see record-setting issuance. What does it mean for spreads?
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Economic Tension, Fed Decision-Making, and Trigger Points
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Economic tension. Underneath the Goldilocks data are a number of competing forces. 2. Fed decision-making. Changes are afoot. 3. Trigger points. Where does risk reprice?
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Oil Glut, Credit Cycle, and 2026 Themes
This week, our 3 Things are:Oil glut. The price of the commodity has plunged and is likely to stay that way in 2026.Credit cycle. Phases are irregular, and the conditions for pushing into recession are dormant. 2026 themes. We tally up things worth watching.
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Spread Wideners, Private Credit Color, 2026 Risks
This week, our 3 Things are:1. Spread wideners. Dormant forces have awakened. 2. Private credit color. Fresh views from Goldman’s financials conference. 3. 2026 risks. A better-than-expected 2025 is no reason for complacency.
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Coming Tailwinds, Fed Drama, and Private Credit Data Update
This week, our 3 Things are:Coming tailwinds. Sizable stimulus is set to hit in 2026. Fed drama. It seeped into markets this week. Is it here to stay? Private credit data update. Some weakness as you would expect, but surprising fundamental strength. We’ll catch up with Bill Cox, KBRA’s Chief Rating Officer, on the topic.
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Home Depot’s Warning, Private Credit Growth, AI Bubble and Credit
This week, our 3 Things are:Home Depot’s warning. Consumer durability is under pressure.Private credit growth. Tracking leveraged finance growth is more relevant. AI bubble and credit. Much-needed perspective on the topic of the day.
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Holiday Spending, Surging Earnings, and Senior Loan Officer Color
This week, our 3 Things are:Holiday spending. Will the wealthiest among us offset the headwinds?Surging earnings. It’s more than just mega tech. Senior Loan Officer color. After Tricolor and First Brands, the Fed’s out with its latest survey.
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Private Credit Color, Reduced Uncertainty, and Consumer Belt Tightening
This week, our 3 Things are:Private credit color. Two big lenders weigh in with what they are seeing.Reduced uncertainty. Wait a minute! There’s plenty of uncertainty, right? Consumer belt tightening. It’s spreading.
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Consumer No Confidence, Credit Course Correction, and To Cut or Not to Cut
This week, our 3 Things are:Consumer no confidence. Surveys, for what they’re worth, are headed in the wrong direction. Credit course correction. Lenders everywhere are scrubbing portfolios and processes. That comes at a cost. To cut or not to cut. All of a sudden, December’s in play.
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GM Blowout, U.S. Consumer, Bubbles
This week, our 3 Things are:GM blowout. What does this signal about the broader economy? U.S. consumer. We’ve got useful updates on loan quality and spending strength. Bubbles. The chatter is increasing. We’ve got some thoughts.
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Cycle Turn? Big Bank Credit Color, and Oil’s Price Drop
This week, our 3 Things are:Cycle turn? Lots of press this week on credit deterioration. How real is it?Big bank credit color. It’s an important counterpoint to our first Thing.Oil’s price drop. That’s good for consumers and businesses, right? Well …
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Credit “Froth,” Growth Quality, and Q3 Earnings
This week, our 3 Things are:Credit “froth.” How real is it? Growth quality. The outlook is brighter, but is it vulnerable?Q3 earnings. A solid headline growth number, but weakness underneath.
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Inflation Target, Bond Scarcity, and Capex Supercycle
This week, our 3 Things are: Inflation target. It’s quietly slipping. Bond scarcity. Demand versus supply. Capex supercycle. We’ll compare equity versus debt.
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Maximum Employment, Retail Therapy, and Risk Versus Uncertainty
This week, our 3 Things are: Maximum employment. What does that have to do with unemployment? Retail therapy. We peel the onion on a strong retail sales report. Risk versus uncertainty. The difference explains risk market moves.
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Credit’s Durability, Risk Concentrations, and Distressed Debt Exchanges
This week, our 3 Things are: Credit’s durability. Why has the asset class held up so well in 2025? Risk concentrations. A couple are noteworthy and worth monitoring. Distressed debt exchanges. We highlight a new report by Ed Altman and our own Eric Rosenthal.
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Economic Lines of Defense, Q3 Earnings, and Jobs’ Revisions
This week, our 3 Things are: 1. Economic lines of defense. There are significant countervailing forces to slowdown. 2. Q3 earnings. Still positive growth in the face of rising costs. 3. Jobs revisions. The most important jobs data point this month might be next week, not Friday’s.
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Spreads vs. Yields, Financial Conditions, and Walmart/Target Read-Across
This week, our 3 Things are: Spreads vs. yields. Spreads are tight. Yields, not so much. Financial conditions. Don’t lose sight of what normal is. Walmart/Target read-across. The big boxes update us on the U.S. consumer.
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Earnings Momentum, 2026 Forecasts, and August Jobs
This week, our 3 Things are: Earnings momentum. What’s underneath Q2’s double-digit growth headline? 2026 forecasts. Here’s the early read on what forecasters think lies ahead. August jobs. It will likely be the most consequential data release this year.
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Inflection Point, Ares’ Perspective, and Maersk’s Beat
This week, our 3 Things are: Inflection point? July jobs was a shock, but does it really reveal something different? Ares’ perspective. Insightful comments on the growth of private credit. Maersk’s beat. What it says about global growth.
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Slowdown, Leveraged Loan Surge, and Default Forecasts
This week, our 3 Things are: Anatomy of slowdown. Risk markets are flying—how do we get to slowdown? Leveraged loan surge. The market has rebounded from April’s freeze with a vengeance. Is it overheating? KBRA’s default forecast. We’ll check in with Eric Rosenthal for his latest.
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Growth Catalysts, Homebuilder Bounce, and Tariff Bump
This week, our 3 Things are: Growth catalysts. Something must be driving stocks higher. Homebuilder bounce. Is housing finally turning? Tariff bump. Is 15% the new 10%?
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Big Bank Color, Labor Sensitivity, and European Update Description
This week, our 3 Things are: Big bank color. Here’s how credit is performing among the large lenders. Labor sensitivity. What will it take for employment to crack? European outlook. Our European Macro Strategist updates his views.
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Delta Exuberance, Q3 Outlook, and Whistling Past the Slowdown
This week, our 3 Things are: Delta exuberance. We’ll put a good story in proper perspective. A forward look at Q3. What will shape credit markets? Whistling past the slowdown. Markets have ripped as uncertainty lifts. Don’t lose sight of the whole picture.
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Middle East Tension, Powell vs. the LEI, and United Airlines
This week, our 3 Things are: Middle East tension. We’ll think through how important oil volatility is. Powell vs. the LEI. We’ll explore two divergent views of the economy. United Airlines guidance. We’ll revisit the company’s unconventional earnings guidance from April.
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Data Vacuum, Sand in the Gears, and Consumer Angst
This week, our 3 Things are: Data vacuum. Be patient—the meaningful reset is coming. Sand in the gears. While we wait for data, here’s what is forecast. Consumer angst. The Fed’s latest survey reflects growing concern among the less advantaged part of our Two Economies.
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Volatility Settles, “Dangerous” Finance, and Slowdown Approaching
This week, our 3 Things are: Volatility settles. Are we past the storm or merely complacent? “Dangerous” finance. Is The Economist’s characterization accurate or just sensationalistic? Slowdown approaching. As more hard data shows slowdown, we look to this week’s Beige Book for a sentiment shift.
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Credit Scarcity, Debt and Deficits, and Markets’ Round Trip
This week, our 3 Things are: Credit scarcity. Too much money chasing too few bonds? Debt and deficits. Ignore at your own peril. Markets’ round trip. Knowing what we know, and what we don’t—does that make sense?
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Dimon on Credit, Growth Catalysts, and Earnings Outlook
This week, our 3 Things are: 1. Dimon on credit. JPMorgan Chase’s CEO is concerned about credit. 2. Growth catalysts. They’re out there, right? 3. Earnings outlook. What do Street strategists say?
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Exuberance, Labor Strength, and Walmart’s Outlook
This week, our 3 Things are: 1. Exuberance. Is it irrational? 2. Labor strength. Here’s where it might crack. 3. Walmart’s outlook. The challenge of dimensioning tariff impact.
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