Working to Work

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Working to Work

Working to Work explores the intersection of neurodivergence and employment, asking why autistic people and the wider neurodivergent community often struggle to obtain and sustain meaningful work, and how that significantly shapes not only their working lives but their lives as a whole. Through incisive interviews with neurodivergent creatives, as well as politicians, academics, and business leaders, the series examines interpersonal and structural barriers and practical solutions.

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    S2 EP11: Creative skills programmes - The game before the game?

    In this episode, I speak with Yasmine Dankwah, the creator of Pathways, a podcast exploring how people try to find their way into the creative industries through skills development programmes. Drawing on her own experiences, Yasmine reflects on the realities of navigating these opportunities, from the process of applying to dealing with rejection. We talk about how Pathways emerged as a creative response to these experiences - using sound, storytelling, and a game-inspired structure to question how these “pathways” actually function. ~ Resources: Pathways Podcast: YouTube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLfrQfmbUA9DECeAu-mVYoPBpDLfC_zGI&si=9lpXUjQTLjotVOBk Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7GUWvM7DN3TpBWIK87ADKe?si=B-ugiXpFSjCXmj7GiTCFlw Neurodiversity In Music: Improving Access Shakira Alleyne’s documentary exploring best practices, barriers, and next steps in supporting Neurodivergent creatives in the Music Industry/Education sector. https://youtu.be/DImV7c6RWFk?si=ir9RWHOilWqsmEVE Wired4Music: https://www.wired4music.co.uk Sound Connections: https://www.sound-connections.org.uk

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    S2 EP10: Question Everything — Math, ADHD, and Honesty Online | Youngmin Park (Part 2)

    In this second part of my conversation with Youngmin Park, a mathematical biologist and professor at the University of Florida, we turn our attention to his YouTube channel, ADHD Mathematician. We talk about what motivated him to start sharing his experiences publicly, how he approaches openness with both care and honesty, and the ways his thinking about ADHD and mental health has evolved over time. We also discuss courage, vulnerability, and how the internet can both connect and confine us – and why, for Youngmin, authenticity is worth the risk. I had a few ongoing technical challenges with this recording, so apologies again for the less-than-optimal video quality, but I hope you’ll still enjoy this thoughtful and wide-ranging conversation. Youngmin’s website: https://youngmp.github.io ADHD Mathematician: https://www.youtube.com/@UCLtlPRveA1APQnGAI2YVDGw

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    S2 EP9: How I became a math professor with ADHD | Youngmin Park

    I became aware of Youngmin through his YouTube channel ADHD mathematician in which he explores the research that underpins ADHD, and shares constructive and in a non-prescriptive way his own journey with neurodivergence, as it relates to his work, personal life, and sense of self. We’ll be talking more about the channel in the second part of this episode, but in this first hour youngmin spoke about his journey to becoming an professor at the university of Florida – despite difficulties including myself Patience and self compassion. Youngmin's website: https://youngmp.github.io ADHD Mathmatician: https://www.youtube.com/@ADHDMathematician

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    S2 EP8 - Overcoming adversity to find a unique artistic voice | Abbas Zahedi

    Artist Abbas Zahedi joins Sam to discuss their multidisciplinary practice, navigating institutional spaces, and how their experiences as a neurodivergent creative shape their approach to sustaining a career on their own terms.

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    S2 EP7 - Challenges and successes as an AuDHD musician | Joanna Sternberg

    Autistic musician Joanna Sternberg speaks with Sam about the themes in their music, navigating the industry, and the empowering impact of trusted friends.

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    S2 EP6 - ‘Jack Tisson’ helps me explore ‘neurodivergent’ differences | Shaun

    YouTuber Shaun speaks with Sam about his character ‘Jack Tisson’’ — created to explore the causes of, and potential solutions to, challenges he’s experienced with work, and his wider life.

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    S2 EP5 - Making art without a mask | Elinor Rowlands

    Artist and writer, Elinor Rowlands speaks with Sam about navigating a career in the arts as a neurodivergent person, and the work they’re doing to support marginilised autistic / ADHD artists.

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    S2 EP4 - Outsider Music and Me | Daniel Wilson (Meadow House)

    Daniel Wilson joins Sam to discuss what the label of ‘outsider artist’ means and how it relates to neurodivergence.

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    S2 EP3 - How ChatGPT helps ADHD work for me | Justin Borge

    Sam speaks with ChatGTP enthusiast, Justin Borge, about how AI can support people with ADHD.

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    Bonus: Why Flexibility Matters in Creative Spaces | Shakira Alleyne

    Why Flexibility Matters in Creative Spaces | Shakira Alleyne

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    S2 EP2 - The (Autistic) Audio Rainbow of an Radio Producer | Robin Blamires

    Featuring Robin Blamires’ epic soundpiece 'The Audio Rainbow', exploring his passion for radio, the challenges of finding fulfilling creative work, and their broader impacts.

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    S2 EP1 - Neurodivergent access and inclusion in the music industry | Shakira Alleyne

    Sam speaks with neurodivergent musician and filmmaker Shakira Alleyne about their journey and experiences as an aspiring artist.

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    Bonus: Responding to the Government's Manifesto for Work on BBC Radio

    Responding to the Government's Manifesto for Work on BBC Radio

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    Bonus: Buckland Review of Autism Employment: Next Steps?

    Buckland Review of Autism Employment: Next Steps?

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    S1 EP14 - Findings & recommendations from the Autism Employment review | Sir Robert Buckland

    Sir Robert Buckland joins Sam to speak about the findings of the Government's review into autism employment and its recommendations.

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    S1 EP13 - The difference between accessibility and inclusion | Rebecca McGinnis

    Sam talks with disability pioneer Rebecca McGinnis of the Met Musuem in New York about who inclusion excludes and how.

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    Bonus: What Are Job Tailoring and Job Carving?

    What Are Job Tailoring and Job Carving?

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    S1 EP12 - How I lead a neuro-inclusive organisation | Nanette Mellor Pt 2

    Nanette Mellor, former CEO of Drake Music and the Brain Charity, joins Sam again to speak about how she has created neuro-inclusive organisations.

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    S1 EP11 - The future of neurodivergent work & education | Nanette Mellor Pt 1

    Nanette Mellor, the former CEO of Drake Music and the Brain Charity, joins Sam to speak about her vision for the future of neurodivergent work and education.

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    S1 EP10 - Load Theory & Perceptual Capacity | Anna Remington

    Sam talks with Dr. Anna Remington about how the greater perceptual capacity many autistic people experience can be a strength at work.

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    Bonus: Dr Anna Remington explains Perceptual Capacity and Load Theory

    Dr Anna Remington explains Perceptual Capacity and Load Theory

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    Bonus: The Most Triggering Word (in Work)

    The Most Triggering Word (in Work)

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    S1 EP9 - How I became an Autistic Entrepreneur | Zareen Ali

    Zareen Ali, CEO of Cogs AI, an NHS-supported wellbeing app designed for and by neurodivergent people, talks with Sam about creating Cogs.

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    S1 EP8 - The employment journey of the 'Punk Rock Autistic' | Dani Noreen

    Dani ‘the Punk Rock Autistic’ Noreen joins Sam to discuss how they created employment that works for them.

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    S1 EP7 - BBC Radio Neurodiversity Phone-In | Dotun Adebayo

    Sam joined Dotun Adebayo for BBC Radio 5 Live’s inaugural ‘Neurodiversity Phone-in,’ the best parts of which are collected in this episode.

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    S1 EP6 - How I help people into employment | Stephanie Ozuo

    Sam speaks with Stephanie Ozuo, a careers advisor, about the support she provides to her clients and the unique challenges faced by women of colour who are neurodivergent.

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    S1 EP5 - Autistic work challenges in the Radio Industry | Robin Blamires

    Sam speaks with talented autistic audio producer Robin Blamires about his journey seeking gratifying work in the audio industry.

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    Bonus: What is the Buckland Review of Autism Employment?

    What is the Buckland Review of Autism Employment?

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    S1 EP4 - Listening to Neurodivergent Workers | Samuel Robinson

    The tables are turned as Sam is interviewed about his experiences with work and being neurodivergent by coach Alex Genadinik.

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    Bonus: What is the Neurodiversity Employers Index (NDEI)?

    What is the Neurodiversity Employers Index (NDEI)?

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    S1 EP3 - Autistica's Neurodiversity Employers Index | James Cusack

    Sam talks with Dr. James Cusack, CEO of autism research and campaigning charity Autistica, about their ‘Neurodiversity Employers Index’ initiative.

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    S1 EP2 - The Autistic Job Coach | Leo Capella

    Sam speaks with Leo Capella, a job coach at the National Autistic Society, about the support he offers both employers and prospective autistic employees.

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    Bonus: Neuroinclusion at Work - Insights from Neurodivergent Employees

    Neuroinclusion at Work - Insights from Neurodivergent Employees

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    S1 EP1 - Buckland Review of Autistic Employment | Sir Robert Buckland

    In this inaugural episode, Sam interviews Sir Robert Buckland, MP, about the review into autism employment he is leading for the UK Government.

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    Welcome to Working to Work

    Welcome to Working to Work

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Working to Work explores the intersection of neurodivergence and employment, asking why autistic people and the wider neurodivergent community often struggle to obtain and sustain meaningful work, and how that significantly shapes not only their working lives but their lives as a whole. Through incisive interviews with neurodivergent creatives, as well as politicians, academics, and business leaders, the series examines interpersonal and structural barriers and practical solutions.

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Samuel Robinson

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