
All Episodes - ESG Out Loud
Podcast by ESG Clarity bringing you interviews with academics, economists and scientists that inform the views of the ESG investment industry.
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ESG Out Loud Eleanor Harry, Hace
In this episode of the ESG Clarity podcast, ESG Out Loud, reporter Holly Downes talks to Eleanor Harry, chief executive of HACE, about their AI-powered Child Labour Index. Today, there are 160 million children in child labour globally between the ages of five and 17, of which 78 million are working in hazardous conditions. With the help of artificial intelligence (AI), HACE helps investors monitor the risk of child labour in their portfolios. Harry reveals why child labour is a standalone risk, how AI can be a tool to drive positive change, and how consumer pressure – particularly among the ‘sustainability generation’ – is pushing investors to track child labour.

ESG Out Loud December With Todd Court
Todd Cort, faculty director of Yale University’s sustainability program, is expecting an "explosion of unpriced information", which he said active asset managers will use to outperform markets. Alongside this, the needle is being moved back towards ESG-oriented funds and financial regulators are in the process of standardising climate information and disclosures, which should move markets quickly in 2024 and beyond. Cort also shares why the language around fossil fuels to come out of COP28 was "monumental", but explains why COP outcomes tend to fizzle out.

Centre youth voices in COP28 finance discussions
Holly Downes speaks to youth groups and climate activists about what they want to see from the conference this year and their messages for the investment industry.

Michael Sheren: ‘Every stock and bond is mispriced; they’re not capturing the cost of carbon’
Former Bank of England senior adviser Michael Sheren discusses the shortfalls of voluntary frameworks, COP28, planetary boundaries and why carbon is not priced in.

Chris Skidmore: We need to depoliticise net zero
Former minister and chair of the UK Net Zero Review joins the podcast to discuss the UK's recent offshore wind auction, giving confidence to the investment industry and his hopes for net zero in the Autumn Statement.

TCFD: Reflecting on eight years of climate disclosure development
TCFD secretariat member Curtis Ravenel joins the podcast to discuss the 18-month project that ran eight years, why it was time to wind up and what "thorny problems" are next on the agenda.

Trevor Williams: 'ESG should be about carbon reduction'
Former chief economist at Lloyds Bank Trevor Williams joins ESG Clarity in the podcast studio following his speech at our Responsible Pathway conference in June.

The best bits
Highlights from two years of the ESG Clarity podcast.

Sector special: Governance in tech can be 'quirky'
For this sector special episode sponsored by Royal London Asset Management, Natasha Turner is joined by sustainable fund manager George Crowdy and Greyparrot AI CEO Mikela Druckman to discuss ESG in the technology sector.

'ESG as a term has outlived its purpose'
London Business School finance professor Alex Edmans joins the podcast to talk about the future of ESG investing and his paper, Applying Economics - Not Gut Feel - To ESG

Where's the rigour on the 'S'?
Dan Kemp, CIO for EMEA at Morningstar Investment Management and ESG Clarity EU Committee member, and Helen Goulden CEO of The Young Foundation, debate a Scope framework for social factors.

Fast fashion: External audits needed for retailers and suppliers
Muhammad Azizul Islam, professor of sustainability accounting and transparency at Aberdeen University, and Therese Kieve, stewardship analyst at Sarasin & Partners, discuss the latest factory worker findings.

Greenwashing regulation coming down the line in Asia
In the last episode of the year, ESG Clarity's Christine Dawson talks to Matthews Asia head of ESG Kathlyn Collins about developments in the region and we hear the last clips from oceanographer Dr Emma Boland.

Sector special: Drug pricing and hazardous waste are unique ESG challenges for healthcare
In the final episode of the three-part sector special sponsored by J.P. Morgan Asset Management, Jennifer Wu, global head of sustainable investing at J.P. Morgan Asset Management and Divya Bobby Joseph, senior research analyst for healthcare and pharmaceuticals at Sustainalytics, discuss the ESG impacts of healthcare, which are largely in the 'S' bracket.

Sector special: Approaching sectors most prone to biodiversity loss
In the second part of the sector special series sponsored by J.P. Morgan Asset Management, Jennifer Wu, global head of sustainable investing at J.P. Morgan Asset Management, talks about the biodiversity risks and opportunities presented by certain sectors, and we hear from Morningstar on the topic.

Sector special: What should sustainable cities look like?
The fifth episode in the sector special series is sponsored by J.P. Morgan Asset Management and is divided into three parts: sustainable cities, biodiversity and healthcare. In this first part, Jennifer Wu, global head of sustainable investing at J.P. Morgan Asset Management, discusses the ESG risks in the sectors most pertinent to sustainable cities, and we also speak to Tribe Impact Capital's Amy Clarke.

'Outbreak of common sense': PRI digests Finance Day
Following Finance Day at COP27, ESG Clarity global deputy editor Natasha Turner sits down with Ed Baker, head of climate policy, and Rose Easton, senior director for global signatory relations at the Principles for Responsible Investment, to interpret what the day's announcements mean for investment professionals

Good governance and what to say to climate deniers
How to identify good governance at companies is up for discussion in the fourth and final panel of the Global ESG Summit, and we chat to oceanographer Dr Emma Boland about climate scepticism and her hopes and fears around climate change.

Thematic ESG investing: 'Look for purity because impact is the investment case'
Thematics are a great way of engaging clients with sustainable investing and finding solutions that match their values. But volatility, smaller universes and the potential for greenwashing when using the Sustainable Development Goals for investment present challenges. The third panel at the Global ESG Summit discusses this and more.

The way you look after your workforce affects financial performance
Social factors and how to measure them are the topics for discussion in the second panel at the Global ESG Summit, and oceanographer Dr Emma Boland explains the Smurfs project.

Embracing complexities of climate transitions
Climate reporting and adaptation discussion from the Global ESG Summit and oceanographer Dr Emma Boland explains the Orchestra project

Energy sector special: 'The world has a remarkable ability to heal'
In this fourth sector special episode, sponsored by Royal London Asset Management(RLAM), ESG Clarity speaks to RLAM's head of sustainable investments, Mike Fox, and NextEnergy Group CEO Michael Bonte-Friedheim.

Using AGM power against modern slavery
Rathbones' stewardship director Matt Crossman shares ways to engage with companies on modern slavery, and we hear the second instalment of our chat with oceanographer Dr Emma Boland, who explains how she uses climate modelling in her research.

Levelling the ESG playing field and a trip to Antarctica
A brand new format for our podcast where we'll be sharing a clip from our chat with climate scientist and oceanographer Dr Emma Boland each week. But before that in this episode ESG Clarity sister publication What Investment editor Rory Palmer speaks to 2DII managing director Jakob Thomä.

Andrew Harper: Consider fair tax or get left behind
In the full interview with Epworth's head of ethics from episode nine of ESG Out Loud, Harper says not to shy away from tax issues just because they are difficult.

Corporations can expect to be judged and exposed on tax issues
ESG Clarity deputy editor Natasha Turner speaks to Andrew Harper, Epworth's head of ethics, and Jenny Ricks, global convenor for Fight Inequality Alliance about how firms can approach tax issues at investee companies and why the pandemic has made tax inequality so stark.

Sector special: Fiduciary duty to reduce carbon in property
In the third episode of ESG Clarity's sector sector special series we speak to Marie-Claire Bolton, executive director, global real estate client portfolio management at JP Morgan Asset Management, about the real estate sector.

On the ground in Glasgow: Industry voices from COP26
ESG Clarity deputy editor Natasha Turner spoke to nine industry experts throughout the two weeks of COP26 to get views on the pledges, private finance momentum and 'radical collaboration'

Countdown to COP26: Putting pressure on regulators
ESG Clarity deputy editor Natasha Turner speaks to Nuveen head of responsible investing Amy O'Brien and Positive Money senior economist David Barmes about what they expect from COP26 from regulators and the investment industry

Sector special: Materials can drive the circular economy
In the second episode of ESG Clarity's sector sector special series we speak to Susana Coutinho, research director at MainStreet Partners, and Albert Douer, co-CEO of UBQ Materials about the ESG credentials and concerns of the materials sector.

There is no one-size-fits-all framework
Global head of ESG insight Natalie Kenway speaks to Numis director Oliver Hardy about the numerous frameworks corporates can follow for ESG disclosure, and ESG Clarity deputy editor Natasha Turner shares her sustainable staycation

Sector special: Technology must look after society and the environment
In the first episode of our new sector sector special series we speak to Leon Kamhi, head of responsibility at Federated Hermes and Matteo Renoldi, innovation analyst at dealroom.co about the ESG credentials and concerns of the technology sector

Remy Briand: How investors can reach net zero
In the full interview with Remy Briand from episode five of ESG Out Loud, the MSCI head of ESG talks about the race to net zero and MSCI's new net-zero tracker tool.

Dame Polly Courtice: Why I was drawn to sustainability
In the full interview with Dame Polly Courtice from episode five of ESG Out Loud, the CISL founder talks about her journey to working in sustainability, the progress over the past 30 years and her work on the Jupiter Green Investment Trust.

'We are facing an existential threat'
ESG Clarity global head of ESG insight Natalie Kenway talks to University of Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership founding director Polly Courtice and MSCI head of ESG Remy Briand.

ShareAction's Peter Uhlenbruch: Half of asset managers don't disclose corporate engagement
In the full interview from episode four of ESG Out Loud, global head of ESG insights at ESG Clarity, Natalie Kenway, talks to ShareAction head of investor standards Peter Uhlenbruch about voting, best practice and where the charity is looking next.

Campaigning for better governance and sustaining oceans
Last Word Media editors discuss what good governance means for them and ESG Clarity global head of ESG insight Natalie Kenway talks to ShareAction head of investor standards Peter Uhlenbruch and shares clips from her staycation.

UKSIF's James Alexander: World not on track for net zero
In the full interview from episode three of ESG Out Loud, UKSIF CEO James Alexander talks about net zero, SFDR and what to expect from the group's upcoming policy vision paper.

Digging into SFDR classifications and the global ESG picture
In the third episode of ESG Out Loud deputy editor Natasha Turner talks to UKSIF CEO James Alexander about net zero, SFDR and what gets him out of bed in the morning, and global head of ESG insight Natalie Kenway gets a snapshot of ESG across the pond from ESG Clarity US special projects editor Liz Skinner.

UCL's Paolo Taticchi: Corporate sustainability and the next generation of business leaders
In the full interview from episode two of the ESG Out Loud podcast, Natalie Kenway asks Paolo Taticchi, a teaching professor at the University College London School of Management and expert in sustainable corporations, about a new definition of corporate sustainability for the modern age, which he explores in his book, Corporate Sustainability in Practice, and the new MBA corporate sustainability module at UCL.

City Hive CEO Bev Shah: Diversity numbers aren't stacking up
In the full interview from episode two of ESG Out Loud, the City Hive CEO and co-founder tells Natalie Kenway why closing the gender pay and pension gaps is an industry imperative, and explains a new governance kitemark.

Owning diversity challenges and a new definition of corporate sustainability
In the second episode of ESG Out Loud editors Natalie and Natasha discuss SFDR, gender diversity and AGM season, and share insights from City Hive CEO and co-founder Bev Shah and UCL professor Paolo Taticchi.

Professor Linda Scott: Stop trying to fix women
In the full interview with Linda Scott from episode one of ESG Out Loud, the University of Oxford entrepreneurship and innovation professor tells ESG Clarity deputy editor Natasha Turner about measuring women's empowerment, why governments aren't doing enough to address gender pay gaps, and looking at supply chains through a gender lens.

Impact Investing Institute CEO Sarah Gordon: The 'Wild West' of reporting standards
In the full interview with Sarah Gordon from episode one of ESG Out Loud, the Impact Investing Institute CEO told ESG Clarity deputy editor Natasha Turner at the end of 2020 about green gilts, uniform reporting standards and thinking about the social dimension in the transition to net zero.

Regulation, green gilts and women's economic empowerment
In the first episode of ESG Out Loud editors Natalie and Natasha discuss the biggest ESG news of the year so far and share insights from Impact Investing Institute CEO Sarah Gordon and Oxford University professor Linda Scott.

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