142 | No More Perfect Marriage: Beyond the Cat and Dog Attachment Cycle | Author and Marriage Experts Jill and Mark Savage

In this episode, Lantz Howard sits down with authors and marriage experts Jill and Mark Savage, and the author of 14 books, No More Perfect Marriage. Together, they explore how attachment styles shape our marriages, leadership, and emotional presence—often without us realizing it.Jill and Mark unpack the familiar “cat and dog” dynamic—anxious pursuit and avoidant withdrawal—and how these patterns quietly fuel conflict, distance, and misunderstanding. Drawing from decades of marriage ministry, personal story, and clinical insight, they invite couples and leaders to move beyond performance, perfection, and coping strategies into secure attachment, honest connection, and lasting intimacy.This conversation is especially relevant for high-capacity leaders and husbands who are successful externally but longing for a deeper connection at home. Rather than offering quick fixes, this episode calls men and women into courageous self-awareness, emotional maturity, and a marriage rooted in grace—not perfection.Join the FREE 30 Day Champion Husband Challenge at ChampionHusband.comGet your personalized High Performance Marriage Scorecard Learn more about coaching with Lantz Howard at www.lantzhoward.com