#58: NARAL Promotes the Weirdest Pro-Choice Conspiracy Theory We've Ever Heard (with Jordan Warfel)

Jordan Warfel is our guest today because he discovered a conspiracy theory that NARAL promoted in a recent virtual conference. The theory is based on a book by Ilyse Hogue that argues the pro-life movement doesn't actually care about babies, but is a front for evangelicals to bring back racial segregation. The discussion includes the horrible dialogue advice NARAL is giving, how both sides often communicate about opinion polls simplistically, and NARAL's strategy to infiltrate the Black Lives Matter movement. You're not going to want to miss this one. Chapters: 0:00: Introducing Jordan Warfel; 2:04: Explaining the conspiracy theory and several problems with it; 27:11: Evidence from the modern pro-life movement that Hogue uses to support her theory; 29:17: The NARAL conference giving the worst dialogue advice ever and a discussion of how both sides often communicate about opinion polls simplistically; 38:25: Josh makes an observation and hypothesizes a conspiracy theory of his own; 43:37: NARAL's strategy to infiltrate the Black Lives Matter movement; 46:55: Practical tips for talking to a pro-choice person who has heard this conspiracy theory that the pro-life movement is racist. Related Links: You can purchase Ilyse Hogue's book "The Lie That Binds" here if you want to read it for yourself: https://amzn.to/36vHhGh You can purchase "Fetal Beauty" by Jordan Warfel here: https://amzn.to/33zFMVw ERI: Our Take on the "AKA Jane Roe" Documentary: https://bit.ly/2O7vGDi Josh references a 9/11 truther documentary. It's "Loose Change." https://www.loosechange911.com We feel it would be irresponsible to link to "Loose Change" without linking to counter-arguments, so here are a few helpful links debunking 9/11 truther conspiracies: Popular Mechanics Investigates 9/11 Myths - FAQs: https://bit.ly/39w9RZL Screw Loose Change - Exposing the Lies, Distortions and Myths of the 9/11 "Truthers": https://bit.ly/2JtGbSm ERI: One Easy Step to Avoiding Confirmation Bias - Interview with Tangle Founder Isaac Saul: https://bit.ly/2LLK6aM Learn about QAnon: The Dispatch: The GOP's Conspiracy Theorist Problem: https://bit.ly/39wowEl The Dispatch Podcast: GOP Flirts with QAnon: https://bit.ly/3qfZorn Politico: Trump accuses Cruz's father of helping JFK's assassin: https://politi.co/3odlZmx FTC disclosure: The two Amazon book links are affiliate links, meaning that if you click one of them and then purchase the book, ERI will receive a small percentage of the purchase at no cost to you. Host: Josh Brahm Guest: Jordan Warfel Audio/Video Editors: Chapter One Films & Josh Brahm Publisher: Jen Westmoreland