62. How gender roles shape men, relationships, and fatherhood w/ Jeff Dindi

Yes, this conversation explores how gender roles quietly shape the way men show up - as partners, fathers, sons, brothers, and leaders. We talk about the expectations placed on men, where those expectations come from, and how they play out in relationships, parenting, and emotional life.Rather than debating labels, this episode examines everyday realities.The Yes Girls explore this with live studio guest Jeff Dindi, the dynamic force behind @PresentFatherhood.Timestamps for Specific Segments(00:00) Intro(01:50) Meet Jeff Dindi(06:21) Role play challenge: Egalitarian parenting practices(22:05) The fear men have of appearing "feminine" outside the home(23:50) Upbringing and its impact on one's view of egalitarianism(25:00) The battle between societal norms and male feminism(27:25) Parents should be able to take full child care responsibility, whether one partner is present or not(27:40) The battle between couples having guests over - who cooks and who entertains the guests?(29:43) People's reactions to Jeff being in the kitchen?(34:00) Fathers should look at child care as a moment to bond with their kids(36:20) Societal norms are artificial constructs(37:55) Jeff rating Akumu and Claire's efforts in role play(39:47) Does Jeff care what people think about him being a male feminist?(42:30) Is Jeff different from the other men around him? Why should men care about feminism?(45:20) Jeff paints a picture of the multiple roles women play, both at the village and in urban settings(48:55) Jeff reflects on the time he was the primary caregiver while his wife went to the office(50:10) Claire explains the emotional impact of having a present partner in the parenting journey(51:05) Women's role in turning men into great male feminists(55:47) The role of sisters in nurturing male feminism in their brothers(56:30) The idea of blending traditional roles with male feminism(1:05:40) The role of open communication in discussing gender roles and expectations between couples(1:06:50) Has Rachel, Jeff's wife, impacted his view and approach to male feminism?(1:07:40) Why it's important to clearly communicate your personal expectations right from the start (of dating)(1:08:20) The role of Jeff's upbringing on his expectations in a relationship(1:11:32) Where you can find Jeff online(1:12:29) What Jeff has recently said "yes" to(1:14:56) Outro___This episode also reveals Jeff's personal journey and the misconceptions surrounding the feminist movement, particularly in the African and Kenyan contexts. Tune in to gain valuable insights into how men can actively participate as champions of feminism and gender equality, redefine masculinity in relation to gender roles, explore the benefits of a more feminist society, and understand the importance of men as feminist allies._______________________Important resources:The history of feminism in Kenya:http://www.nawey.net/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/05/History-of-Feminism-in-Kenya.pdfFollow Jeff:https://www.instagram.com/presentfatherhood/Follow Kweli Coffee:https://www.instagram.com/kwelicoffee/Related episodes:Episode 48: Feminism with Doris OnyangoEpisode 57: Gender debate with Oscar Koome & Eli MwendaEpisode 59: Motherhood & the parenting journey with Sally Kuria of Mama Tales Podcast____________________If you enjoy the podcast, we love you so much! And we'd like to ask you to rate us on Spotify - it will only take a couple of seconds, we promise! If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts, please take a moment to leave a brief review. We promise it will take less than a minute unless, of course, you have more to say. In any case, we appreciate you!Thanks in advance!_____________________For video logs, visit https://www.youtube.com/@yesgirlspodcast For blogs, visit https://yesgirlspodcast.com/ Feel free to follow us across these platforms:INSTAGRAM TWITTERLINKEDINTIKTOK