Episode 4.5: The Growth-Environment Debate – Part 1

In the first of a two-part series, co-hosts Ryan Katz-Rosene and Peter Andrée dive deep into the complex and often controversial relationship between economic growth and environmental sustainability - the subject of Ryan’s recently published book! Kicking off with the story of Dennis and Dana Meadows and their landmark 1972 report, The Limits to Growth, the episode sets the stage for the "Growth-Environmental Debate" by exploring three major discourses: Growth is Green, Growth Can Be Green, and Growth Misses the Point. Through compelling storytelling and archival audio clips, Ryan shares with us the histories and intellectual trajectories of key figures such as Julian Simon, Mostafa Tolba, and Kate Raworth. From debates over population and scarcity to global environmental diplomacy and reimagining economics through the lens of doughnuts, this episode challenges listeners to reconsider how growth is understood, valued, and contested in environmental politics.