Everybody Works

37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss their unique approach of operating without full-time managers. They reflect on the company's experience with full-time managers and share why they've moved to a flatter organization.Key Takeaways:00:54 - The before and after of 37signals' experience with full-time managers08:34 - The founders thoughts on being directly involved in the business10:36 - Why the company's management hierarchy works best for the founders17:17 - 37signals' career ladder doesn't necessarily mean people leadership20:03 - What company size makes sense for having more management layersLinks and Resources:HEY World post – We once more have no full-time managers at 37signalsBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEYThe REWORK podcastThe Rework Podcast on YouTubeThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTube@37signals on X