Hangover Chat with My Sister Patty | Navigating Friendship and Belonging Abroad

We may be a bit slow due to too much alcohol and too little sleep, so feel free to crank up the speed to 2x for some hilarious and heartwarming insights into our experiences abroad. I’m so, so glad we’ve found our new homes. But oh so sad we’re halfway around the world from each other.Podcast TranscriptI'm Janine Ramirez and this is I Suck at Small Talk.Today we skip the fluff and go straight into deep talk with my sister Patty.Hey Pat, welcome.Hey, hey, hey, hey.Thanks for having me, Ate.Okay, soFirst of all, I have a hangover-ish.I didn't drink that much but I slept super early in the morning because I attended a wedding yesterday and then there was a barrio fiesta called The Porronchos that we went to till past 4am.So that's, you know, disclaimer for this episode and Pat also.We went to Porronchos.Yeah.No, I have a hangover from a drink I had this afternoon with some friends.I had an Aperol Spritz, one lang, and then my head hurts now.So I think it's... Maybe it's the mix.You have to try other things.Yeah, I don't think it's my drink.Yeah, I, funnily, I also tried Aperol, like I ordered an Aperol Spritz for the first time, I think, ever yesterday.So we're like so connected.I know, I love Aperol.Even across the world.okay so um in my first batch of episodes i wanted to talk about moving away from our home country the philippines and i think it would be missing a big chunk of soul if i don't talk to my sister about it because as i mentioned we're in different sides of the world patty moved to australia about two years ago and just had herfairytale wedding that we all super had fun in this year and it looks great and perfect on paper but there's also a lot of complex emotions that you know come out and and just not necessarily all roses to deal with when you move abroad so I want to talk a little bit more about those things in this episodeAre you feeling good about that, Pat?Even with your family?Sounds good.Yeah, let's do it.Okay, so Pat's in Sydney, I'm in San Sebastian.We miss each other a lot.But funny, we also moved away for good around the same time, right, Pat?Yeah, when did you first move?Well, it was weird for us because maybe four years ago was when I first like stayed here for a few months.And then we went back to the Philippines and then there was like the pandemics, we got stuck there.And then we did like back and forth for two years.But like really deciding to stay here for good and setting up, you know, our home here was two years ago, which is same as you.Yeah, yeah.So poor mom.I know.We just said bye.Okay, first question, Pat.Can you share your expectations versus reality of living in Sydney?Were there any surprises?Were you well-prepared?Any challenges that stick out during your transition?Well, to be honest, I don't really think I had, like, expectations before moving here.Like, all I knew was that, okay, I'm moving to be with Mon, and I'm gonna be with Mon.And there wasn't really much else.But you've been there before, right?Before you really moved.Like, you would visit family there.Yeah, I had been here twice before.And, like, I knew it was gonna be, like, a good life here.Like,great public transport, just easier, like better quality of life, I guess.I knew that that was like a thing to expect.But thenLike the day-to-day and also like, I guess, the struggles or the challenging part of it.I had no idea.And I don't think you can fully really be ready to move away.I don't know.Maybe for some people, they're like, yes, I'm moving.But for me, especially, it happened during the pandemic.So it was like, I was stuck at home for two years, then suddenly, okay, bye, you're moving.So I didn't even get to say a proper goodbye to people.I didn't see my friends at all before I left.And so yeah, it was a little weird.But then, I guess like, overall, it was a good transition.But I think maybe the biggest surprise was how homesick I would be or like, I don't know, I think it was challenging in a way like it was still hard.And I didn't prepare for that.Is it the day-to-day or is it the people there that you didn't get to say goodbye to?What was the hardest part about leaving home for you?Yeah, the people, like, and just being in the comfort of home.And then, like, I was literally at home for two years.So I wasn't even going out of, like, the house.Yeah.And then I had to leave the country.No, mom was going out more than you.Yeah, she was the one going out.I wasn't talaga like really barely and if when I would it was super mask on and like running levels and then when big lang I moved here I had to travel take a plane and then here it was like you would just go out like it was normal.And I feel like it was such a big transition.COVID and the pandemic and being in quarantine did such a number on us, on so many people.It's like, I know, even without the moving away, the going from everything is a danger to you, right?Like, just the air that you breathe outside of your home, or even in your home, if someone got COVID in your house.is like a danger to your life.And then now we're so chill about it.I know.And I feel like we haven't even really, well, at least for me, processed the whole COVID thing and how much it actually impacted, like, me.Yeah.So I feel like there's some trauma there that hasn't been like,explore it i started reading victor frankl's what's the title like what is it meaning of life oh my gosh i swear my brain is not working but he survived like you know theWorld War II and being in a concentration camp and stuff like that and he's but he's like a psychiatrist psychologist so he would like he's sharing his his experience but also kind of psychoanalyzing it and going to like the core of what it is to be human and of course it's he mentions other studies of people that have been you know inone little environment without having to go out.And I'm not saying that we experienced, like, how bad it was for people that were, you know, in the concentration camps at the time or people that are, you know, locked in jail or in asylums and stuff like that.But parang, I guess, it was like a super tiny taste of it.Yeah.And I feel like itthat has a huge effect like I have a friend here na she's like a social worker and she works with like young not so young kids parang nearing adolescence and she was saying now even here there's a height a high in in like depression and their suicide attempts and stuff like that and I'm like holy crap and that's here like I feel likeYou know, in the Philippines, it was so much worse.And it was worse for people that were in like, condominiums.Oh, yeah.Like, in the group chats that we were all in, friends would be like, does anyone have a contact to like, a psychiatrist, like a friend is needing, like people were like, really needing to speak to someone.Yeah, and support.Yeah.It was hard.So yeah, this is the pandemic.We veer away from it.We're moving away from it.But it's still important.We can talk about it another time.Yeah.And I think because it happened around that time.So it was like a part of like my experience moving.It happened during COVID.Yeah.Like, for you, it was all at once.Right?Yeah.Like, you're...Oh my god, I swear my brain is super crap today.But I'm imagining like you were in a cage, right?Like you're an animal that's in a cage, and then transported somewhere and then set free in a totally different place.Like how would that feel?You're like, wait a minute, this is not my environment.So yeah, the transition is extra tough and strange.Plus, you're supposed to be super happy because it's Sydney.Exactly.Yeah, like it was mixed emotions.Like, okay, you're supposed to be living your best life here.But then there's it's you know, it wasn't as smooth as I thought.Like there was that part of like, getting homesick and then just being like, a bit lost and not sure about being here and questioning and all of that stuff.ButIt's a great tier though.Love it.But you know, yeah.Okay, I have a question.Because I also ask myself sometimes and the answer might be like, yes and no at the same time.But yeah, you feel like you belong in Sydney now that Sydney is your home?Yeah.I think but the belonging, what about like, feeling that you belong there?Hmm.Yeah.I mean,Like you said it's a yes and no kind of thing like there are moments where it's yeah like this is where I'm meant to be whatever and then there are days where it's like oh my god I'm still so um you know it's foreign things are foreign or I'm like a little bit can't relate to you know.like what the locals are talking about.Because parang when you so I think but I think in general, yes, like, and I'm slowly starting to accept that my experience here, like my immigrant experience moving here, it's like not going to be the same, obviously, as people who were like born and raised here.And so I'm like, as I amSo what are the momentsEarlier, we were super laughing.Anyway, what are the moments that made you or that make you feel like you belong?Is it when you're with Mon's family or at work?What are those moments that you're like, hey, I'm in Sydney and I belong here?For me, it's when I'm wandering by myself.Sorry, Mon.Obviously when I'm with Mon, I feel like I belong.It feels like home being with him here and Hopper.It's home.But then when I walk the streets, when I commute, when I interact with like, you know, when I go to a cafe and like have conversations with the people, you know, I feel like, yeah, small talk, which I'm getting a bit like better at.since having moved here but that's I'm still awkward but parang I feel like that I feel like I belong I can't explain how but like right it's like it's like you're feeling independent yeah yeah oh my gosh so so me also you know like in Manila you don't really greet peopleAnd I was like, I'm sorry if I, like, in school, in a tene or whatever, if you're like, oh my gosh, super suplada because she never said hi to you.But parang I don't feel comfortable saying hi to people that I'm not sure naman if they remember me or whatever.Yeah.And even, di ba, parang if you're in the elevator, let's say elevator at work, there are people that you see every day there.But you don't, you're not gonna be like, hey,Good morning, right?Yeah.Yeah.And I think it, it boils down to parang the trust that we have in society, in general, parang in Manila, I guess, because there's so many people, there's so many scammers, and stuff like that, you kind of keep to yourself and you're more defensive, even when driving, right?But here, there's so much parangtrust well now like sometimes i'm already there have been you know people like my my bike was robbed and stuff like that but in general there's more trust like with people that you can just be like hi good morning and they're like do small talk yeahI think also because Mikkel is so good at it and he gets pissed like even when we were living in Manila he would be like in the elevator with I don't know someone else that lives in the building and he'd be like hi and they don't respond.He gets mad.That's so rude.how can you not say like I said hi and like they didn't even say anything and I'm like it's just how it is here I'm so sorry oh back home back home in Manila ah yeah yeah yeah okay yeah for sure they'll greet you yeah but here also sometimes when parang we have a neighbor that's a little bit parang serious and just like like hi like that and then after like me saying what a weirdoeveryone else is like hi how are you like good oh the weather you know what i mean just there like elevator small talk or like haven't seen you in a while yeah i don't know also like for back home because you know how like manila's so small i don't know there's always like i feel like i felt it's weird that you say it's so small yes i mean yeah are we like more judgy we're so judgyRight?Yeah.Yeah, I'm not gonna pretend.I'm not.here it's like no one really cares just be you yeah i kind of like that no one really cares or like when i moved here i feel like no clean slate right no one knows me i can be whoever like i can be whoever i want to be and yeah there's no yeah like there's no one knows like how i normally am or whatever so like rightyou kind of are free to be whoever you want.Yeah, just likeIt's true.Parang, let's say there, in the Philippines, I already was kind of stuck in the mode of if I see someone that I know, like, I don't want to say hi.Like, I get, like, I try to, like, avoid or something.Literally walk the other direction sometime.Or like, I'll go na lang muna to this store.I need pala to buy something in Watson's.But here, there, it's like, why was I so like that?I don't know, parang now I wonder like, what, is it there parang super ultra insecurity?Or, I don't know.Or also just like, the judgment?I don't know, because people back home are also really judgy.I don't know what it is then.But like, the other week, here, I was so surprised at myself.I ran into like,someone of like a common friend.No, not a common friend, a friend's friend.So like, okay, a friend of mine had her like birthday, a few months back, and then invited me and then a bunch of her other friends.And that girl was also there.So I met her in that party.And then I saw her recently in a store.And I was like,As in, she didn't see me.I literally went up to her and was like, Hey, Nicole!Sorry, I just said her name.Oh my God, you remembered her name.Good thing.I hate names.And then she didn't remember me at first.So I was a little like, Oh my God, should I have done this?And then I was like, Oh, we met at so-and-so's birthday.Blah, blah, blah.And then we had a bit of a conversation.And then she was asking me,What do you have in your basket?Because I was shopping and then it was like nice and I was like It was like that's great that you can just do that.Yeah, and I guess once you do it, it's like it's not so bad You know, it's not so weird and like you're happy you did itI think I have the pressure, the opposite pressure now because Mikael is like, ugh, so rude, like don't say hi.I'm like, oh my gosh, that used to be me.That used to be me.Don't judge me.I'm gonna change, right?And he is like, I call him the alcalde because he knows everyone.Like we can'tgo to a place without bumping into at least one person that he knows so sometimes when he's like talking to someone and like we bump into that person regularly like I say hi to them na I have to probably say hi in the street and sometimes they don't remember me but they'll just be like Mikael's girl just name dropLike the time that I made Kwento, the motorcycle.The guy who was trying to help you?Yeah, so I don't think I posted it so I can make it Kwento again but I was practicing on the motorcycle because now I have my license.like the motorcycle it's not like the side stand like you have to put it on like a higher stand and then you have to put your weight on something and lift it up and for me I don'tI don't get it yet like I'm I struggle so I was driving at night just practicing while Mikkel was fishing in this place this other town and then there was like this guy right by the pedestrian crossing and I was like am I gonna like stop for this guy to cross and then he like whips out a bottle of beer and really like like pours it likebottoms up and I'm like okay he's not gonna cross yet so I went and then I parked and then while I was parking I was super struggling like trying to get the motorcycle up on its stand and then the guy comes walking by the same guy with a bottle and I'm like oh my god the pressure like he's like gonna see me struggling so I stopped firstAnd I saw him and I'm like, wait a minute, like, we ran into this guy before and Mikael has talked to him a lot and he would like, he said hi to me and you know, parang acknowledge my presence.So I'm like, hey, you're Mikael's friend, right?Like Martiha.And he was like, yes.Teamwork!Teamwork!Teamwork!I'm like, Mika was fishing there, like come say hi.So we're walking, parang buddy-buddy.And then Mika was like, what?Like, who is Janine talking to here in this place?Like, this is not even where we live.Like, what the hell?And then, like, I arrive with this friend.And he even made it quid with his mom because he was so proud na parang she's like a local now that she runs into people.Thanks to him, but those are the times that I feel like I belong.Although, there are times that I don't in terms of the language.When it's my first time talking to someone and they don't know that I'm not a Spanish speaker.So I feel like... Yeah, I feel like with you, it must even be more heightened because of the language barrier.Yeah, like if it's someone there like introduced to me and kinda knows that I'm not from here so they're more understanding of the fact that I don't, like it's not my first language and I'm still learning it.yeah but they're super nice about it like once they know like yesterday in in the wedding one of the the girlfriends that i only met once because she's like one of the new girlfriends um love it and when she later on in the night she asked me like so how long have you been here now i'm like oh like for good like two years and she's like oh my gosh only two years and then she goes like was i talking to you too fast like do you want me to talkI feel like she's so nice about it and so understanding.She's like, I thought you were here for like 10 years or something.I'm like, no, no, no, super new.And when it comes to grammar, they're not, they don't have, like us, the word barok, that you feel bad for having wrong grammar.Or like a grammar Nazi.Yeah, they're not grammar Nazis.They're so supportive of you speaking it and, you know, like,no like you speak so I'm like I know that I make my my grammatical mistakes but I guess like as long as you understand what I'm trying to say like that's the bottom line although like Mikaela has friends that will correct me but they'll be like I'm correcting you so you learn okay like don't worry so yeah it's nice but okay so we feel like we belong now are there moments that you feel like an outsider still like oh crap likeYeah, I mean, yeah, like when I'm hanging out with like my, like my office mates, they'll make cuenta stuff about their childhood or about school life.That's super different, obviously, like, I have zero idea about what they're talking about, like, in year ganyan, like,do you remember this thing and then all students six it's not like that yeah and like let's say intrams or whatever like they have their own things not all schools do it on the same year so they all kind of like know or even like we were talking about it the other day too like you know how like we used to wrap our books in like the plastic wrap yeah plastic they have their own thingAnd they were talking about this material, whatever they used to protect their books.And I was just like, oh my god, even like those things.I'm like, we use plastic, like wrapper anyways.So those little things, like I feel still like, oh my god, outsider, but then it's, it's minor.Yeah, I guess it's just a learning curve.Because it's like, okay, like, what does it mean when they say this?And when they talk about this?And the more that people make cuento to you, like, the more you get it, in a way.Yeah, and like, I've just sort of like,I'm leaning on it where if they talk about something, I'm like, oh, what's that?Can you explain it to me?Instead of just being awkward and sitting there.Yes, that's the key to cracking small talk, is be curious.Yes, you know, that's also the key to cracking social anxiety.Really?Which my therapist, yeah.Oh my gosh.Like, parang, curiosity.Yeah, you don't know it.Because usually, before— And that's okay.Yeah, when I didn't know something, it's like, oh, I feel bad.Like, I'm such an outsider.I like, I'm so OP here in the corner.I have no idea what anyone's talking about.I'll just be quiet.And like, I'll, I'll feel bad.Yeah, whereas like, yeah, own it.You don't know you're not from here.You're not supposed to know then just like, ask, and like, yeah, learn about it.And then you can even be like, Oh, back home.It's like this.And they learn something from you and they get to know you more.Oh, that's so good.Whoever's listening.I mean, anyone's listening.Curiosity.Yeah, that really helped me a lot.But it's still hard.It's still not like, parang there's effort parin that has to go into like, okay, I'm going to be curious now.Right.But anyways, but yeah.All in all, I feel like those little moments of feeling like I don't belong, they're minor.Yeah, parang the other side of the coin weighs heavier.Yeah, same.I feel the same.Oh, we found our new homes away from home.I know.I just like I'm still wanting to build like more relationships like more friendships also because that's another thing like when you're new to a place, of course it helps when you have like people that you can spend time with and all of that and that'sthat's hard also too that's hard it's hard to find when people that you really really wanna hang out with and spend time with right it's like going on dates but for friends kind of is there like a good vibe here am i feeling comfortable here because and it's okay if not and even if someone hangs out with me and they don't feel that feelingYou know, I won't take it so personally.It's just the way it is.Sometimes you're feeling the person and sometimes you're not.Is there something you want to share to the class, Ate?I feel like that's coming from somewhere.I was thinking about it there.Since Mikkel is such a popular person.And I love his barkada there.I love spending time with them.They're such great amazing people and the girlfriends and wives also sometimes will plan something together so it's great but I want my peeps that INo, not necessarily through him.I don't know why.I don't think it's being competitive or like, this is mine and that's yours.I guess it's like a personal challenge for myself.Like wanting to know that I can have amazing friends on my own and work is such a bigyou know way to do that and yeah i think i've met like really amazing people but what sucks is that we well i'm not in the company anymore but we worked remotely so no one is from here and i just oh i wish i always tried to convince like some of them to move to move like when they when someone like visits like even just for a bit becauseYeah.Yeah, I do get along with them.I'm gonna see them in the end of September.And I'm excited.I always tell them where do they live?You guys are my first like my first friends here.Um, a lot of them live in Madrid, and Barcelona.And then there's one there's some that live in like Sevilla and in Malaga, I think also so.Medj, like, scattered.There was one that was living in Bilbao that's just, like, an hour away from here.And I met up with her, like, a few times because she's, like, amazing.But she wasn't, like, originally from there.So parang she took, um, like, a doctorate course.So she lived in the Netherlands for a few months.And then now she's back in her hometown, like, closer to Madrid.So no one is near me.And it's sad.It's hard to make friends.My therapist.And to find that you're there, you're excited or someone to call to just have a drink.Yeah, yeah, exactly.My therapist gave me this exercise before.It was really hard for me to do and it felt really weird.But she was like, make a list of all of your friends, like from actual friends to like acquaintances or someone you like literally just had one passing conversation with.And then, parang, think about how you can take your relationship to the next level.I was like, whoa, isn't that like super creepy?Yeah, but it was like therapist approved.Let's say for this friend, this is the level we're at right now.We exchange hellos in the office or whatever.What's the next step?Maybe for her, I can ask her out for coffee.And that's my next step to build that relationship.And then this friend, oh, we've gone out one time.What's the next?Oh, maybe I can invite her to my birthday or whatever.Oh, that's like consciously improving your relationships.That's amazing.Yeah, yeah.And like, in that way, it's like, there's a, there's a goal.It's like little baby steps of like, okay, how and then yeah, you're analyzing the level you're at with each person and how you can take it or maybe Yeah, you can be like, oh, this person.I actually don't really like her so much.Yeah, so we can, we can leave her there.Like, she's fine there.Yeah, exactly.I love our hater side.So that's another tip guys, listeners.Yeah, that's another tip.And I'm going to also link some podcasts.When I first started listening to podcasts, I remember one that was about or that was like an interview with this psychologist that wrote a book called Platonic.And it was about the importance of all our relationships like we're so used to I don't know why if it's Disney or whatever to and I guess like naturally to put all ourI'mum maybe they're the life partner your go-to person yes is your romantic partner but maybe you have a friend that helps you improve in terms of I don't know like being active maybe you go with that person to the gym all the time and that's that person for that part of you that you want to improve or I don't know maybe you wanna maybe you're artsy and you love drawing and maybe you have like a friend that you go somewhere with the like sketch you know what I mean so it was likekind of it's so simple but I realized how how eww like cheesy cringy I've been in terms of you know how I looked at relationships and giving my all to just like the one relation it's so grossgross and that's why i want to like make sure i talk to you and you know like that's why i'm doing this yeah this whole experiment so that i can still maintain my although i've only been talking to you so much and no one else is messaging me so please okay like see you and have conversations with me but yeah and there another podcast wasabout the key to happiness or being content in life and having like a good life and relationships is one of those things like you have to have strong social bonds.And I think it comes out more or like the need for it comes out more when you move away.Like you realize, yeah, oh s**t.You take it for granted when it's just there.Yeah, a bit.It's so easy.Yeah, especially like, oh, these have been my friends from high school.Like, like, yeah, you have your barcada from high school, barcada from first job, barcada from college.Yeah.And then your family, like it'sYou know, you just have people.And then when you move away, it's like, oh my gosh, like, I have to start from scratch.And it's not as easy when you don't have like a school environment or a work environment.And you're not from the same, you didn't grow up there.Yeah.So yeah, it's true.Interesting.In Manila, it's so easy to be like, to find the connection.And then biglang, you're connected na.And that somehow makes it better and easier.Like, oh, you know, Ganyan, who's a really good friend of mine.you have like a base to build from but I also like that you know in a new place you're consciously looking for your like people that you get along with or something and yeah like it's not just that they're thereHangover Chat with My SisterI think that's also a barrier, I guess.The cultural, how you speak to each other, the jokes, it's different.Yeah, like the jokes, we're so witty.But I super realize how witty Filipinos are, na parang a conversation about something, there's just always some sort of hyrid or joke that's gonna pop out to make it lighter and more fun.and yeah very true here parang not as much but i'm like me the one that doesn't really speak the language i'm the one that will like make jokes about it or try to like word play things or whatever so yeah i miss i miss that and that's why yeah call me peopleOkay, Pat, I don't want this to be too long.So I'm gonna go straight to the question I want to ask everyone that, you know, agrees to be on an episode.Because this is called I Suck at Small Talk.So I want to ask like, what do you think?What's something that you think that you really suck at?And how are you working to overcome it?Well, I mean, I don't want to just say Smalltalk because that's yours, but Smalltalk is one of mine also.I mean, it's the name of the show.I was trying to think of something else, but then I think Smalltalk.That works perfectly.Hello, if every guest says at Smalltalk, then I'll have like gazillion million tips.Yup, because I'm gonna have gazillion million guests, but no, but go, go, go.Sorry.And then in line with that, I think, because I am really like anxious, like in social situations.And I think I have like imposter syndrome wherever I go.So like, I think how it comes out when I'm like talking to people, it's always like, Oh, I don't even have some anything interesting to say.I won't say it.Or like, I don't know.It's like, yeah, it's like, I did not know this about you, Pat.And I do not see you this way at all.It's like,Well, I still have the memories of you as a kid, like, you know, wanting to perform for people.You want me to cartwheel?I'll cartwheel.Seriously, sometimes I'm like, I need that girl to come out.I believe in the cartwheel singing dancer within.I need her back.She needs to make a comeback.But yeah, I don't know if it's after having moved here also where you sometimes feel a little smaller than everyone else.I don't know.Oh no, my camera's dying.I don't know.But yeah, there's something that I just feel like always second guessing myself when Imeet people and introduce myself.And I feel like I don't present myself in a way that's like confident and like, able to, I don't know.So basically, yeah, so I think basically, it's like, self confidence.And like the holes in the whole small talk space.And just in general, I would say.I'm so happy with our convo, Pat.This has to be a regular thing.So at first, I wanted two podcasts, like this one and one with Patty.We were thinking that we should have one.But Pat maybe doesn't really want a podcast so I can just have her over regularly in my podcast to talk and I think that's gonna happen a lot.yeah because I love our convos and you've given so many helpful tips and I want to thank you to my confidence yes thank you I know I really feel like yeah I feel like I need to build it again maybe it's because yeah I moved here and so I feel like I'm not I don't know how to explain it but before I thinkme like when I became a mixed VJ it really changed me cuz yeahlike and I still felt really awkward while being a VJ and had to get through that but it like pushed me that I have no choice I have to interview people I have to you know what I mean yeah I have to be like hosting an event with loads of people and it's like scary but constantly pushing myself out there and meeting people and I guess having friends that still love mein spite of all of these things and I realized na when I'm with family and when I'm with friends like you know that I already know and get along with or office mates like once I've warmed up and they get to know me like that's the me that's realRight?Like, okay, I can joke and I can be kengkoy and I can, you know, be weird and stuff like that.And you have that too.Like, your friends, I mean, your wedding is proof of how, I don't want to call it extroverted, but how comfortable and confident you can be.Right?Like, bust a move, rap away.I mean, you're freaking the best Eminem rapper ever, Pat.Don't ever forget it.Better than Eminem.Did you hear that, Eminem?So to end this episode, I will make kwento of when we were in San Francisco and Trey, Patty's cousin, took us to a karaoke joint.Now there, karaoke is freaking public.It's like a mini stage.You get on stage and everyone sees you sing.and Patty chose the song Love The Way You Lie and it had to be like the Rihanna the backup singing chorus but Pat rapped like oh my god like it was her coming out party you know what's Eminem has that movie na parang he has when he actually when he parang is so galing na and everyone's like whoa like that was your momentLike the people, I saw people like, people were so shocked.People's face were like, whoa, like mind blown.And then there was a guy cleaning in the back, like a black dude cleaning in the back like with a broom and came out with a broom just to see like, who is this amazing rapper?I just know, but so true.Like some guy with a broom came out and was like, what's happening here?Who is this amazing talent?Why wasn't I discovered?Where was the music producer in the room?We should've stayed and did rounds in different karaoke joints and for sure you'd be discovered.You're gonna be the next rapper.Who's the one singing Triangle?What's that?Pyramid?Teresa Mpenko?Discovered by Ellen DeGeneresOkay, exactly.45 minutes.We're going to end there and we're gonna have more of Patty in another episode because she is amazing.And I'm sure she's gonna conquer this confidence and imposter syndrome issue.Thank you everyone so many people maybe one or two people.Hi mom.Hey mom.Hey Tina Pam.Anna, Anna are you listening?Mon, Mon, your mic setup.Sponsored by Mon's mic setup, mic and video setup.Yeah.But thanks, Pat.That was so fun.I'm sure we're gonna make a story after that.But there to everyone that's listening, we've only scratched the surface today and I bet you have your own stories and experiences to share.So don't be shy.Reach out to us.Subscribe to our blogs.And let us know your 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