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In this episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, Rob Shields and David Spickard unpack one of the most concerning findings from the 2026 State of Leadership report: leader health is declining even as other leadership metrics improve.The conversation explores the growing tension between external success and internal depletion, revealing how burnout, stress, overwork, and “always-on” leadership cultures are impacting both leaders and their teams. Rob and David discuss the ripple effects unhealthy leadership has on trust, morale, communication, and workplace culture and why organizations can no longer afford to ignore employee well-being.They also tackle generational expectations around work-life balance, the hidden costs of hustle culture, and practical steps leaders can take to build healthier rhythms for themselves and their teams. 00:00 – Welcome + introducing leadership health03:00 – Key findings from the State of Leadership report08:00 – The hidden cost of success and burnout culture13:00 – Generational differences and workplace expectations19:00 – The ripple effects unhealthy leadership has on teams23:00 – How overwork impacts families and relationships27:00 – Practical ways leaders can create healthier rhythms31:00 – Preview of next episode Resources11 Ten Leadership 2026 State of Leadership

What does it look like when leaders and their teams are in perfect alignment on trust, down to the decimal? In this episode, David Spickard and Rob Shields dive deep into one of the most compelling findings from 11 Ten Leadership's State of Leadership Report: trust scores that were identical between leaders and their teams, and what that means for building a thriving culture.The conversation gets practical fast, exploring what happens when leaders get stuck in the weeds of day-to-day execution, why leaving the office might be the single best thing a leader can do to build trust, and the rhythms that make that sustainable. If you lead a team and want to know where trust really comes from and how to find out if you actually have it, this episode is for you.00:00 – Welcome 01:00 – Why this conversation matters (State of Leadership Report)03:30 – The highest scoring leadership question 05:00 – Care vs. thriving: where leaders overestimate impact08:30 – Trust data insights: high scores + zero gap explained11:00 – How trust impacts relationships, value, and engagement14:00 – The danger of leaders stuck “in the weeds”17:00 – First step out of overwhelm: creating space to think19:30 – Why rhythms (daily, weekly, monthly) matter more than breaks21:30 – The surprising trust-builder24:00 – Practical takeaway: how to assess and grow trust today26:00 – Closing thoughts + preview of next episode (health)Resources11 Ten Leadership 2026 State of Leadership

In this episode, David Spickard and Rob Shields introduce the 2026 State of Leadership Report, built from insights gathered through the THRIVE Assessment™.The data reveals an encouraging trend: leaders and teams are thriving more than in previous years, with noticeable gains in trust, relationships, and value. However, a major tension remains—leader health continues to decline, highlighting a growing gap between external success and internal sustainability.00:00 – Welcome + intro to the State of Leadership report02:00 – What the report is + how data was gathered04:30 – Key insight: leaders are thriving more06:00 – Why scores are improving (focus on people)07:00 – Growth in trust, relationships, and value12:30 – Tension: health scores are still low14:00 – Why leader health is declining18:00 – Rethinking success + whole leadership21:00 – The importance of knowing your “why”24:30 – Expanding impact to teams and communities28:00 – Leadership health tied to community health29:30 – Rest as a competitive advantage33:00 – Final takeaways + encouragementResources11 Ten Leadership 2026 State of LeadershipEmail: [email protected]

In this replay from August 2023, David Spickard and Rob Shielfs introduce David's book The Just Leader: Thriving in a Fractured World and share the heart behind it. Drawing from years of leadership experience and work in underserved communities, they explore why justice and thriving are deeply connected and why leaders today must be equipped to navigate both.This episode sets the stage for a conversation at the intersection of faith, leadership, and culture, offering a broader vision for what it means to lead well in a complex and divided world.00:00 – Intro + episode context 02:00 – Book announcement: The Just Leader 03:00 – Why this book, why now 07:30 – Connecting justice and thriving 09:30 – Leading in a fractured world 12:30 – Burnout, culture, and today’s leadership challenges 14:30 – What it means to be a just leader 16:30 – Faith, leadership, and culture intersection 20:00 – Ways to stay engagedResources11 Ten LeadershipThe Just Leader Book

We’re taking it all the way back to our very first podcast episode.In this kickoff conversation that originally aired on June 9, 2023, David Spickard and Rob Shields unpack the vision behind the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast and the powerful idea from Proverbs 11:10: when the righteous prosper, the city rejoices.They explore why leadership matters, how thriving leaders shape thriving organizations, and why your leadership has the potential to impact far more than just your workplace. You’ll also get an introduction to the THRIVE framework, six practical areas every leader can grow in.Whether you’re new here or revisiting where it all started, this episode lays the foundation for becoming the kind of leader who helps others and entire communities thrive.Timestamps00:00 – Welcome & vision for the podcast01:30 – Why another leadership podcast05:00 – David’s background & journey08:30 – Whole life stewardship11:00 – Introducing the THRIVE framework overview13:30 – What to expect in this series14:00 – ConclusionResources11 Ten Leadership

In this replay episode from November of 2024 David and Rob explore the integration of mental health and leadership, both for oneself and for the people you lead. Dr. Jason Young, a seasoned psychotherapist, shares insights from his work with business leaders, discussing the impacts of exhaustion, isolation, and the need for human connection.The conversation emphasizes the interplay between spiritual formation and pursuing justice, offering practical guidance for leaders to start small and go slow in their mental health journey. Dr. Young also introduces the Six Stones retreat program, designed to help men engage deeply with their personal development and identity.00:00 Opening & Leadership Perspective 02:26 Introducing Dr. Jason Young & Importance of Mental Health 06:41 Common Leadership Struggles & Strategies for Well-being 18:58 Supporting Team Mental Health & Organizational Insights 27:34 Jason’s Personal Journey & The Six Stones Program 38:15 Stages of Faith and Personal Growth 42:11 Balancing Inner Journey with Outer Justice 45:02 Practical Steps Resources11 Ten Leadership Dr. Jason Young’s websiteSix Stones JourneyMatesThe Critical Journey

In this replay episode from March 2024, Rob and David unpack the concept of becoming a “Super Communicator” and why communication is at the heart of trust, leadership, and healthy team culture. Drawing from research and real-world leadership experience, they explore how the best communicators aren’t necessarily the most persuasive speakers — they are the most curious listeners.The conversation centers on four practical ways leaders can strengthen connection, build trust, and improve team dynamics through more intentional conversations. From asking deeper questions to reading nonverbal cues, this episode offers simple yet powerful shifts that can transform how leaders communicate.00:00 Introduction to the replay and why communication is a leadership issue01:00 Introducing the “super communicator” concept03:00 Research behind super communicators and the Dartmouth study05:30 Rethinking what makes someone a great communicator06:15 Way #1: Ask deep questions (moving beyond surface-level conversation)10:45 Way #2: Prove you’re listening (looping for understanding)14:00 Way #3: Determine what people want from the conversation16:30 Way #4: Pay attention to more than words (nonverbal communication)20:00 Leadership blind spots and nonverbal cues in meetings22:00 Recap of the four practices and cultural impact23:15 Bottom line: Become a professional question askerResources11 Ten Leadership "How to Be a Supercommunicator" - Wall Street Journal article

In this replay episode from September 2024, we revisit a powerful conversation with Lauren Gill. Lauren brings a deeply thoughtful, accessible, and biblically grounded perspective on faith, work, and justice, helping leaders understand how the gospel reshapes not only what we do, but why and how we do it every day.Together, David and Rob explore how our daily work fits into God’s larger redemptive story, why justice and mercy belong at the center of faithful leadership, and how leaders can become restorative presences in their workplaces and cities. Whether you lead a team, a church, or simply want to live more faithfully in your vocation, this conversation offers wisdom, clarity, and practical encouragement.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast02:00 Introducing Lauren Gill07:00 Faith and work as mission10:30 The gospel changes everything about work14:00 Challenges leaders face in the workplace today20:00 Faith, work, justice, and everyday leadership24:00 Being a restorative presence27:00 Case studies of justice in action34:00 Bottom line: grace changes everythingResources11 Ten Leadership Redeemer City to CityGlobal Faith & Work InitiativeThe Missional Disciple: Pursuing Mercy & Justice at WorkFaith & Work: Galvanizing Your Church for Everyday Impact

In this special 100th episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, hosts David Spickard and Rob Shields reflect on nearly three years of conversations at the intersection of leadership, faith, justice, and culture.This milestone episode looks back on the ideas that have shaped the journey so far—from thriving leadership and rest, to justice, generosity, money, place, and community. Through curated clips and reflections, Rob and David revisit some of the podcast’s most resonant moments and the themes that continue to guide their work.Listeners will hear insights from past guests including Ross Chapman, Lauren Gill, Jason Young, Jared Korver, Tim Spence, and Jes Averhart, whose wisdom has helped illuminate what it means to lead in ways that help people and cities flourish.This episode is both a celebration and an invitation—to pause, reflect, and recommit to becoming Proverbs 11:10 leaders who help create cultures where people thrive and cities rejoice.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:48 Celebrating 100 Episodes: Reflections and Milestones02:04 Listener Engagement and Global Reach03:40 Reviewing Key Episodes and Impactful Moments04:38 From Surviving to Thriving: Episode 1 Highlights08:21 The Just Leader: Episode 8 Highlights13:18 Connecting Leadership to Place: Episode 39 Highlights17:01 Exploring Rest and Justice: Episode 43 Highlights21:55 Being a Restorative Presence: Episode 58 Highlights25:04 Integrated Leadership and Community: Episode 68 Highlights27:48 Financial Wisdom and Leadership: Episode 82 Highlights30:54 Leadership Evolution: From Player to Coach to GM35:02 Co-Creating with AI: Episode 91 Highlights39:16 Closing Reflections and GratitudeResources11 Ten Leadership

In this replay episode from January 2024 David and Rob tackle the biggest challenges leaders face when setting business goals, break down the key areas every leader and business owner must consider when planning for the year, and explore why it’s never too late to start—or reset—your goals.Whether you’re leading a team or growing a business, this episode offers practical insight to help you approach goal setting with clarity and confidence.

In this replay from November 2023, David and Rob explore the world of philanthropy—where giving can go wrong—and how leaders can pursue justice in their generosity. They share five guiding principles to help shape thoughtful, responsible giving.

This episode originally aired in January 2024, and its message is just as relevant today. David and Rob kick off a series around the pursuit of wholeness by unpacking the importance of knowing why your organization exists, the difference between profit-centric vs. people-centric leadership, and how to integrate your why into everything we do—at work and beyond.

Leading today means understanding the motivations of a diverse, multigenerational workforce. In this episode of the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast, Rob Shields and David Spickard explore how leaders can inspire purpose, engagement, and growth among employees from every generation.Drawing on Gallup and Deloitte research, we discuss why younger employees prioritize purpose, why only a small percentage aspire to traditional leadership roles, and how leaders can adapt to meet these changing expectations. Rob and David offer practical strategies for cultivating engagement, aligning individual purpose with organizational goals, and creating a leadership culture that nurtures growth, trust, and fulfillment.If you lead a team of any size, this episode will equip you with actionable tools to inspire your workforce, improve retention, and unlock potential across generations. Discover how purpose-driven leadership isn’t just motivational—it’s a competitive advantage for your organization.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:34 Today's Topic: Purpose at Work02:56 Gallup and Deloitte Studies on Purpose07:28 Generational Differences in Seeking Purpose09:38 Leadership Challenges and Opportunities14:16 The Importance of Humility in Leadership23:33 Conclusion and ResourcesResources11 Ten LeadershipGallup - Purposeful Work Boosts Engagement, But Few Experience ItDeloitte - 2025 Gen Z & Millennial Survey

In this episode hosts Rob Shields and David Spickard discuss the delicate balance leaders must maintain between micromanaging and delegating effectively. Drawing from a real-life example involving Carlie Irsay-Gordon of the Indianapolis Colts, they explore how leaders can set the right context for their teams to operate autonomously while ensuring accountability. The conversation delves into common challenges such as the dopamine hit from personal productivity, employees' requests for help, bosses' expectations, and the importance of having a broader definition of work. The episode concludes with practical advice for leaders on maintaining strategic focus and self-care.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:06 Leadership Lessons from the Indianapolis Colts05:21 The Fine Line of Delegation and Accountability13:52 Challenges in Effective Delegation20:08 Final Thoughts and TakeawaysResources11 Ten Leadership

David and Rob sit down with Jon Houghton, CEO of Holy Post Media and Director of Chicago Fellowship, to explore what it truly means to lead with justice, faith, and compassion.Jon shares his journey from over two decades with Young Life to leading organizations that help people flourish—both spiritually and practically—in complex, post-Christian cultural contexts. From developing emotionally healthy leaders to creating spaces where historically marginalized communities can thrive, Jon’s insights cut straight to the heart of just leadership.Listeners will learn how Jon applies his “diagnose, prescribe, flourish” framework, why emotional margin is essential for effective leadership, and how faith and justice intersect in practical, everyday leadership decisions. He also reflects on moments that have shaped his leadership philosophy, including mentoring, community engagement, and even lessons from basketball coaching.Whether you’re a seasoned leader, a mentor, or someone seeking to make a difference in your community, this episode offers actionable wisdom for leading with integrity, courage, and care.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:57 Guest Introduction: Jon Houghton04:27 Jon’s Leadership Journey06:58 Motivations and Challenges in Leadership12:02 Addressing Racial Injustice and Community Flourishing25:19 Leadership Framework: Health, Diagnosis, and Prescription33:31 Final Thoughts and NBA Predictions37:55 Closing Remarks and ResourcesResources11 Ten Leadership Jon HoughtonHoly Post MediaChicago FellowshipYoung Life

David and Rob engage in a profound conversation with Gabrielle Clowdus, founder of Settled, an organization focused on addressing homelessness in the Twin Cities. Gabrielle shares her journey from international poverty research to tackling homelessness in her own community through innovative tiny home villages and strong church partnerships. The discussion explores themes of proximity, rest, time, and transformative leadership, highlighting the importance of seeing and treating everyone as family. Challenges and opposition faced by Settled are also addressed, emphasizing the power of prayer and community.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:21 Meet Our Guest: Gabrielle Clowdus04:53 Gabrielle's Journey and Calling09:22 The Birth of Settled and Its Mission19:36 Challenges and Opposition27:34 Leadership and Faith in Action30:27 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsResources11 Ten Leadership Settled

Rob and David welcome Steadman Harrison, a leadership expert dialing in from Ethiopia. Steadman shares his journey of democratizing leadership development through Lead Beyond, an initiative originating from the Center for Creative Leadership. The episode explores the challenges and solutions for effective leadership, including the importance of shifting from individual to collective success, navigating cultural differences, and fostering psychological safety. Listeners are provided with insights on creating thriving leadership environments, emphasizing curiosity, active listening, and genuine transparency. This episode offers a global perspective on leadership trends and practical strategies for cultivating communities where everyone can prosper.00:00 The Power of Listening00:32 Introduction to 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:29 Meet Our Guest: Steadman Harrison02:20 Steadman's Leadership Journey04:38 Global Leadership Perspectives08:45 Navigating Leadership Challenges14:41 The Me to We Flip21:17 Leadership Isolation and Transparency27:52 Rapid Fire Questions33:18 Conclusion and ResourcesResources11 Ten LeadershipCenter for Creative Leadership.Lead BeyondThe Deep Blue Sea: Rethinking the Source of Leadership by Wilfred Drath

Rob and David welcome back Jes Averhart, a leadership advisor and life coach, to discuss the evolution of leadership theories, the practical integration of AI as a co-creator in business, and the importance of ambidextrous leadership. The conversation touches on the significance of hope and trust in the workplace, strategies for maintaining curiosity in leadership, and the role of past successes in fostering hope for the future. Listeners can expect a rich discussion on how to balance innovation with execution and the ethical considerations of new technologies in leadership.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:48 Catch-Up and Personal Updates02:08 Welcoming Jes Averhart02:38 Jes's Background 05:14 Diving into Leadership Theories16:16 The Role of AI in Leadership23:59 Exploring Ambidextrous Leadership24:17 Balancing Innovation and Execution25:09 Personal Struggles with Execution28:05 The Importance of Curiosity in Leadership29:36 Hope and Trust in Leadership32:51 Celebrating Successes and Milestones41:24 Final Thoughts and ResourcesResources11 Ten Leadership Jes AverhartLiving Beyond Burnout: Burnout Recovery Guide by Jes AverhartReinvention Roadmap® by Jes AverhartReinvention Road Trip Black Wall Street HomecomingGallup Article: What Do People Need Most From Leaders?

Rob and returning guest Dr. Jason Young explore the intricate relationship between contemplation and action within leadership. They define contemplation as a 'long loving look at the real,' emphasizing stillness, letting go, and hearing God's voice. Conversely, action is described as unpopular, disruptive, and slow, aimed at challenging the status quo in a just and authentic manner. They discuss practical ways to cultivate these qualities in high-octane environments, emphasizing the importance of community and ongoing spiritual practices. With insights from scripture and personal experiences, the conversation weaves a rich tapestry of what it means to be a truly integrated and whole leader.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:48 Solo Hosting and Special Guest Introduction01:43 Celebrations and Personal Updates02:55 Reflecting on the Impact of Previous Episodes05:16 Defining Contemplation in Leadership09:21 Barriers to Contemplation15:25 Defining Action in Leadership20:14 Integrating Contemplation and Action23:50 Understanding the Fear and Misunderstanding in Leadership25:00 The Power of a Better Story: Jason and the Sirens26:43 Freedom from Fear and Misunderstanding28:57 Cultivating Contemplation in High-Performance Environments31:26 The Rule of Life: Six Stones Retreat37:12 Final Thoughts and Blessings40:19 Conclusion and ResourcesResources11 Ten Leadership11 Ten Leadership Podcast: The Integrated Leader with Dr. Jason Young 11 Ten Leadership Podcast Episode 13: The Just Leader: Bold and Courageous Action Dr. Jason Young’s websiteSix Stones

Rob and David engage in a meaningful conversation with two special guests, Dr. Keith Daniel and Steve Swain. Dr. Keith Daniel, co-founder of Resilient Ventures, and Steve Swain, Director of St. Francis Springs Prayer Center, share personal stories and insights into their leadership journeys, emphasizing the necessity for intentionality, proximity, and non-violence in leadership. They underscore the concept of creating a culture of belonging to enable cities and communities to truly rejoice.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:11 Meet Our Special Guests: Dr. Keith Daniel and Steve Swain04:00 The Journey of Friendship and Leadership11:56 The Power of Shared Experiences and Hospitality17:37 Creating Margin and Intentionality in Leadership24:08 Rejoicing the City: Leveraging Power and Influence31:08 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsResources11 Ten LeadershipStepUp DurhamHabitat for HumanityReCity

David and Rob discuss leadership, faith, and culture with Tim Spence, CEO of BSA LifeStructures. Tim shares his leadership journey, the importance of being faithful in small things, and how to foster a culture that prioritizes people and purpose. He recounts his transition into the CEO role, emphasizing trust, empowerment, and development. Tim also discusses his company's mission to improve lives through innovative architectural designs for healthcare, education, and science sectors. Listeners are encouraged to explore the deeper 'why' behind their leadership and the impact they can make on others’ lives.00:00 Introduction and Faithfulness in Small Things00:31 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:35 Celebrating Milestones and Guest Introduction02:07 Interview with Tim Spence: Leadership Journey05:00 Tim Spence's Role and Responsibilities as CEO08:08 Challenges and Surprises in Leadership13:51 Balancing Work and Rest17:38 Empowering Teams and Community Impact21:29 The Importance of Purpose and Culture34:37 Closing Thoughts and Bottom Line44:19 Outro and Additional Resources

Rob and David are joined by Ryan O'Donnell, co-founder and CEO of Sunlight, a tech startup focused on improving the foster care system. Ryan shares his journey from launching tech startups to using technology for social good, driven by his personal experience as a foster parent.The discussion dives into the complexities of the foster care system, common misconceptions, and how Sunlight's product, 'Your Case Plan,' is working to reduce the time children spend in foster care by improving communication and coordination among stakeholders. Ryan also reflects on the importance of leaders working at the intersection of purpose, joy, and justice and challenges other leaders to cultivate similarly motivated leaders within their teams.00:00 Introduction: Purpose, Joy, and Justice00:39 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:29 Post March Madness Chat03:39 Introducing Ryan O'Donnell08:29 Ryan's Journey: From Food Drives to Tech Startups12:43 The Birth of Sunlight and Tackling Foster Care19:16 Challenges and Successes in Foster Care Tech25:10 How to Get Involved and Support33:52 Final Thoughts and Closing RemarksResourcesSunlightYour Case Plan

Rob and David engage with Jesse Marble, entrepreneur and General Partner at Wildwood Ventures. Jesse shares his thoughts on the nature of challenges, stating that hard tasks don't necessarily indicate you're in the wrong situation.The team discusses the intersection of leadership, faith, and culture. Jesse details his unique approach to venture capital that emphasizes human-centered relationships and holistic support for founders. He also highlights the importance of being present and still in both professional and personal realms. The conversation touches on the purpose of investing in businesses that promote human flourishing, including mental and physical health, underscoring the value of perseverance and vulnerability in leadership.00:00 Introduction: Embracing Challenges00:32 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:40 Meet the Hosts: Rob Shields and David Spickard00:49 Proverbs 11:10: A Vision for Leadership01:19 Casual Banter: Setting the Scene02:09 Excitement for Today's Guest02:35 Introducing Jesse Marble03:37 Jesse Marble's Background and Ventures06:19 The Venture Capital Space10:35 Philosophy of Leadership11:57 The Importance of Warmth in Leadership17:00 The Role of Vulnerability and Failure17:55 Jesse Marble's Journey with Failure19:21 Fundraising and Resilience20:42 Big Ideas Attract Big Talent21:37 Thrive Assessment from 11 Ten Leadership22:16 Introduction to Leadership Support22:34 Jesse's Journey with Wildwood Ventures23:09 Wildwood's Unique Approach to Venture Capital25:44 Human-Centered Relationships in Venture Capital28:08 Wildwood's Hands-On Model31:23 Advice for Founders and Leaders37:30 Rapid Fire Questions and Personal Insights42:47 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsResourcesWildwood VenturesThe School of Life YouTube channelFree Solo movieGrit by Dr. Angela DuckworthThe Ruthless Elimination of Hurry by John Mark Comer

David and Rob engage in a profound conversation with David Swanson, an author and pastor with a deep commitment to justice and reconciliation. They explore the themes of Swanson's book, Rediscipling the White Church, and its impact over the past five years.The discussion delves into the current cultural backlash against diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives, and the importance of understanding the deeper roots of greed and fear in addressing systemic injustices. Swanson emphasizes the need for leaders to embody the principles of the kingdom of God, focusing on abundance, playfulness, and a deep connection to their local places.The conversation also highlights the crucial role of repair in achieving wholeness and justice and the significance of mustard seeds and yeast as metaphors for small but impactful actions. The episode concludes with reflections on the importance of knowing one's 'why' in the face of opposition and staying committed to living out kingdom values.00:00 Introduction to the Kingdom of God00:46 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:38 Snow Day Realities02:31 Introducing David Swanson02:59 David Swanson's Journey and Impact08:11 The Cultural Moment of 202015:59 Understanding the Backlash24:46 Belonging to Our Place and Story26:53 Challenges of Justice Work28:50 Transformative Leadership and Cultural Competence36:25 The Theology of Repair41:48 Small Acts of Repair and Faithfulness47:53 The Importance of Knowing Your Why50:26 Closing Remarks and ResourcesResourcesRediscipling the White Church: From Cheap Diversity to True SolidarityPlundered: The Tangled Roots of Racial and Environmental InjusticeDavid W. Swanson's (Occasional) Newsletter

David and Rob engage in a profound conversation with Gregory Thompson, a scholar, writer, and creative strategist. Greg discusses the nature of effective Christian ministry through the renunciation of control and the importance of repairing harm in the context of racial justice. The episode delves into Greg's transformative experiences in Memphis, his book Reparations: A Christian Call to Repentance and Repair, and the theological foundations of repair. Highlighting themes of proximity to the poor, relinquishing power, and embracing Christ in places of pain, this episode provides a powerful narrative on leadership that prioritizes justice and wholeness for all.00:00 Introduction: The Illusion of Control in Christian Ministry00:43 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:30 Casual Catch-Up: Renovations and Summer Plans03:43 Juneteenth and Introducing Greg Thompson07:21 Greg Thompson's Journey and Work on Reparations18:03 The Theology of Repair and Its Importance22:47 Introduction to Leadership and Thrive Assessment23:44 The Importance of Proximity and Leadership25:23 Renunciation of Control in Christian Ministry28:53 Reorienting Leadership Towards the Margins33:28 Embracing the Darkness and Following Christ39:24 Projects and Future Endeavors42:49 Final Thoughts and EncouragementResourcesBook: Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance and Repair Article Series: "Becoming a People of Repair"

Rob and David engage in an insightful discussion with Lauren Gill and Missy Wallace, co-authors of Faith and Work: Galvanizing Your Church for Everyday Impact. The conversation explores how work matters deeply to God and how it plays a crucial role in His unfolding plan for the world.The episode focuses on the importance of integrating faith into one's work, practical tools for pastors, and the personal and systemic changes needed to align one's work with God’s mission for the redemption of all things. The guests share valuable frameworks and personal experiences that highlight the significance of being a redemptive presence in one's industry. Listeners are encouraged to pick up a copy of the book and to be proactive in making small, restorative actions in their daily work life.00:00 Introduction: The Intersection of Leadership, Faith, and Culture00:36 Meet the Hosts: Rob Shields and David Spickard01:45 Special Guests: Lauren Gill and Missy Wallace01:55 Faith and Work: Integrating Faith into Everyday Impact02:49 Guest Bios: Lauren Gill and Missy Wallace04:16 The Importance of Faith in Work13:15 The Sunday to Monday Gap17:32 Practical Tools for Pastors and Leaders20:44 Frameworks for Addressing Brokenness30:38 The Role of Business in God's Plan36:35 Encouragement for Leaders: Being a Restorative Presence40:23 Conclusion and ResourcesResourcesFaith and Work: Galvanizing Your Church for Everyday ImpactThe Missional Disciple: Pursuing Mercy & Justice at WorkGo Forth: God's Purpose for Your Work

David and Rob sit down with Jared Korver, a wealth manager and advocate for just leadership. They delve into the concept of "artificial poverty," how money can paradoxically lead to anxiety, and the importance of generosity and community. Jared shares his journey from dissatisfaction in a high-demand job to finding purpose in wealth management. He explains his philosophy shaped by his humble upbringing and how he aims to help clients and employees find balance and contentment.The episode also touches on the role of leadership assessments and the importance of communal support in navigating the complexities of wealth. Finally, Jared offers a profound closing thought on finding contentment and recognizing God's abundant provision in everyday life.00:00 Introduction to Artificial Poverty00:38 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:31 Listener Feedback and Show Format02:02 Introducing Jared Korver02:43 Jared Korver's Background and Philosophy on Money04:22 The Trap of Wealth and Artificial Poverty10:26 Navigating Wealth Management with a Christian Ethic23:12 The Role of Vulnerability in Financial Planning27:28 Beacon's Vision and Impact35:47 The Just Leadership Journey39:55 Final Thoughts and Bottom Line43:10 Closing Remarks and Resources

When the team is thriving but the leader isn’t, something has to shift. In this episode, Jesse Jones, founder of Fourscore Business Law, shares how executive coaching helped him rediscover purpose, rebuild culture, and step into the hard but holy work of leading with clarity, courage, and conviction.0:00 Introduction and Personal Struggles00:52 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:44 Wedding Weekend and Speech Writing03:58 Introducing Jesse Jones05:13 Jesse's Leadership Journey and Values13:33 Personal Mission Statement and Cultivating Culture17:11 The Thrive Assessment and Executive Coaching18:53 Reflecting on Leadership Challenges19:34 The Turning Point: Thrive Assessment22:01 Embracing Continuous Improvement26:18 Implementing the Thrive Framework30:22 Navigating Post-Covid Hybrid Work33:40 Balancing Team Culture and Accountability38:28 The Importance of Coaching and Peer Groups39:42 Conclusion and Resources

David and Rob are joined by Dr. Natasha Sistrunk Robinson, an accomplished leader with over 20 years of experience across military, government, church, academic, and nonprofit sectors. Dr. Robinson shares her deep personal and professional journey, touching on her experiences as a black woman in leadership and her commitment to intentional discipleship, mentorship, and justice work.Highlighting the intersectionality of being marginalized for race and gender, Dr. Robinson discusses the importance of lament, community, and joy in leadership. The conversation also delves into her work with Leadership LINKS, a nonprofit dedicated to mentoring young black girls and women, and her latest book Voices of Lament, a collective work reflecting on Psalm 37. Practical advice for sustaining spiritual and physical health as a leader is also provided.00:00 Introduction: Leading Through Lament00:39 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:29 Season Two Kickoff02:41 Introducing Dr. Natasha Sistrunk Robinson06:06 Natasha's Leadership Journey09:13 Faith and Leadership13:59 The Role of Suffering in Leadership16:07 Advocating for Justice and DEI18:12 Theological Foundations of Justice20:45 Cultural Formation and Leadership21:47 Thrive Assessment: Enhancing Leadership22:55 Mentorship and Community in the Context of DEI24:55 The Importance of Collective Leadership27:36 Mentorship Models and Peer-to-Peer Mentorship28:52 Empowering Young Women of Color32:55 The Role of Lament in Leadership39:00 Practices for Staying Grounded and Healthy40:59 Final Thoughts and Ways to Get InvolvedResourcesLinks to Natasha’s books, podcast, Substack, and events can be found at https://www.natashasrobinson.com.Learn more about Leadership LINKS at https://www.leadershiplinksinc.org.

David and Rob address the current challenges and shifts around diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) within a leadership context. They emphasize staying grounded in faith and conviction rather than being swayed by cultural trends. The conversation bridges practical guidance on maintaining daily rhythms, like those of Biblical figure Daniel, to support just leadership. Additionally, they delve into the intricacies of compliance versus conviction in hiring practices and organizational policies. The episode aims to provide leaders with actionable insights to navigate these nuanced and dynamic times faithfully.00:00 Introduction and Mission Statement00:35 Meet the Hosts01:21 March Madness and Personal Insights03:15 Current Events and DEI Discussion10:13 Biblical Lessons for Leaders18:24 Legal Compliance and Leadership Convictions21:07 Practical Leadership Advice27:17 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

David and Rob explore the critical distinction between culture fit and culture add in leadership. Using the recent surprising trade between the Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers as a case study, they delve into what it means for leaders to hire individuals who not only fit but add to and enhance organizational culture. The discussion extends to the challenges of change management, building trust, and strategies for correcting a toxic workplace culture. Listeners will also learn about tools like the Thrive Assessment to measure and foster a thriving work environment.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:48 Casual Coffee Chat02:26 Inventions and Missed Opportunities04:51 Special Bonus Episode Announcement05:32 The Mavericks-Lakers Trade08:46 Culture Fit vs. Culture Add13:51 Leadership and Culture Transformation18:16 Leadership and Culture: The Role of the Leader19:39 Creating a Sense of Belonging in Teams20:42 Balancing Leadership Styles23:08 Handling High Performers Who Don't Fit the Culture29:38 Change Management Strategies32:48 Identifying and Correcting Toxic Cultures37:35 Measuring a Thriving Workplace Culture40:07 The Importance of Diverse Leadership42:01 Conclusion and Next StepsResourcesTake the Thrive Assessment!11 Ten newsletter article discussing Mavericks-Lakers Trade

David and Rob celebrate reaching over 75 episodes and announce a shift to a seasonal format for future episodes. The hosts reflect on the podcast's growth, the invaluable input from various guests, and how this new format will allow for more intentional content creation. Stay tuned for more insightful and thought-provoking conversations aimed at developing leaders who make their cities rejoice.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:14 Special Announcement: Shifting to a Seasonal Model01:49 Reflecting on the Journey and Future Plans04:20 Conclusion and Listener Engagement

David and Rob discuss engaging employees, tackling the "Great Detachment," and the significance of regular feedback and recognition. They explore hybrid work challenges, how to foster meaningful collaboration, and the crucial role of organizational culture. This episode offers practical strategies for leaders aiming to reconnect their teams to their mission and values, ultimately leading to thriving organizations and communities.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:49 Casual Catch-Up: Personal Updates and Superbowl Talk03:18 Diving into 2025 Leadership Themes03:34 Gallup's Seven Workplace Challenges05:18 The Great Detachment and Employee Engagement06:44 Importance of Recognition and Feedback07:00 Navigating Hybrid Work Environments29:16 Building a Thriving Organizational Culture35:03 Final Thoughts and Encouragement38:55 Closing Remarks and Resources

David and Rob celebrate their 75th episode with a special crossover episode from the Denver Institute for Faith and Work. This episode features an in-depth conversation between Jeff Hoffmeyer and theologian Andy Crouch on the intersection of artificial intelligence, faith, and work. They explore key assumptions about AI, its ethical considerations, and the potential for AI to be used redemptively. Crouch discusses the importance of preserving human agency, the risks and benefits of AI, and the need for technology to advance human flourishing while maintaining personal responsibility. The episode concludes with a hopeful vision for the future, emphasizing that AI should serve and elevate humanity rather than replace or diminish it.00:00 Introduction to Human Instinct and AI00:28 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:15 Celebrating the 75th Episode02:12 Special Crossover Episode with Andy Crouch03:29 Introduction to the Faith and Work Podcast05:12 Conversation with Andy Crouch on AI07:02 Understanding Artificial Intelligence08:18 Praxis Labs and Redemptive Imagination17:04 Theological Implications of AI18:56 Ethics and Risks of AI25:31 Praxis's Assumptions on AI29:03 Collaborative Process and Community Engagement29:52 Introducing the FOR Campaign31:08 Navigating AI and Christian Formation38:46 Ethical Use of AI in Decision Making41:54 Redemptive AI Principles47:13 Hope for the Future of AI52:55 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

David and Rob welcome Katrece Boyd, Executive Director of the Center for Entrepreneurship and Economic Development at North Carolina Central University. They explore how each generation reflects the values of the previous ones and discuss the unique characteristics of Gen Z in the workforce. Key topics include the importance of meaningful work for Gen Z, the challenges they face in resilience and communication, and practical advice for leaders on how to engage and support this emerging generation. Katrece shares her personal journey in entrepreneurship and offers invaluable wisdom on fostering a healthy and productive environment for young professionals.00:00 Introduction: Reflecting on Generational Values00:18 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:26 Meet the Hosts: Rob Shields and David Spickard02:11 Special Guest Introduction: Katrece Boyd02:20 Katrece's Background and Expertise03:40 The Importance of Entrepreneurship and Economic Mobility04:30 Diving into Gen Z and Young Entrepreneurs05:09 Katrece Joins the Conversation05:38 Personal Connection and Shared History06:44 Katrece's Journey and Insights15:27 Challenges and Opportunities for Gen Z Entrepreneurs16:36 Statistics and Realities of Gen Z in the Workforce19:34 Katrece's Perspective on Gen Z20:21 The Quest for Meaningful Lives21:21 Surprising Boldness and Timidity21:48 Introducing the Thrive Assessment22:58 Facing Reality and Building Resilience26:12 Engaging the Next Generation27:42 Leadership in Service to People33:07 Patience, Resilience, and Critical Thinking34:54 The Importance of Physical Books37:09 Ancient Wisdom for Modern Leadership37:55 Final Thoughts and Wisdom40:03 Closing Remarks and Resources

David and Rob delve into the story of Zacchaeus to explore the concepts of rest and justice in leadership. They discuss how Zacchaeus, a chief tax collector, experienced grace through a transformative encounter with Jesus, leading him to make radical restitutions. The hosts emphasize the importance of embracing rhythms of rest, surrounding oneself with supportive community, and maintaining a posture of rest amidst the frenetic pace of business life. The episode encourages leaders to shift from a performance-based identity to one anchored in grace, allowing them to be restorative agents in their cities and industries.00:00 Introduction: Zacchaeus and Us01:23 Casual Conversation: Weekend Plans and Sports03:29 Podcast Milestone: Episode 4303:52 Deep Dive: The Concept of Rest in Leadership05:44 Exploring Zacchaeus: A Story of Transformation09:22 Zacchaeus' Radical Response to Jesus11:06 The Foundation of Just Leadership13:28 Applying Zacchaeus' Story to Modern Leadership14:58 The Role of Community and Rhythms in Leadership19:18 Call to Action: Rest and Justice in Leadership28:49 Conclusion: The Journey of Justice and Rest

David and Rob delve into the concept of a Rule of Life as a means to keep God at the center of everything leaders do, contrasting it with traditional New Year's resolutions. They discuss the communal development of their seven principles for 11 Ten Leaders, which include living at rest, loving family, understanding God's heart for justice, building cross-cultural relationships, engaging with those in material need, giving generously, and inspiring a broad vision of success. The episode concludes with a special blessing for listeners ahead of the new year, encouraging them to embody these principles in their leadership journey.00:00 Introduction to the New Year and Rule of Life00:36 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:22 Reflecting on New Year's Traditions04:27 Diving into the Rule of Life07:59 Exploring the 11 Ten Leadership Rule of Life15:50 Challenges and Community in Leadership28:28 Blessing for the New Year33:36 Closing Remarks and ResourcesResources Strong and Weak: Embracing a Life of Love, Risk and True Flourishing by Andy CrouchEvery Good Endeavor by Timothy Keller

In this special Christmas episode, David and Rob bring together Sharon Mitchell, Pastor Phillip Walker, and Fraley Marshall to discuss the innovative Just Fund initiative. The conversation delves into the transformative potential of this reparative justice fund, which promotes radical generosity and relational proximity by avoiding traditional power dynamics and paternalism. The guests reflect on the journey so far, share their hopes for the fund’s impact, and describe their vision for a beloved community where everyone gives and everyone receives. Link to the Just Fund: https://triangle.fcsuite.com/erp/donate/list (type “Just Fund” into the search bar)00:00 The Beloved Community00:44 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:33 Christmas Special: Festive Fun and Traditions03:38 Exciting Announcements and Initiatives for 202504:35 Introducing the Just Fund09:14 Meet the Community Advisory Board32:06 Hopes and Aspirations for the Just Fund38:22 Final Thoughts and How to Get Involved

David and Rob sit down with Erik Hanvey, the founder of SASR, to discuss his decision to sell his company and transition into a new venture, WorkerSpring. Eric shares valuable insights about the challenges and lessons learned from selling a business, the importance of maintaining relationships, and the significance of following a mission-driven path. The episode also explores how faith and leadership principles intersect in the business world, providing listeners with practical advice and inspiration for their own leadership journeys.00:00 Introduction and Personal Reflections00:25 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:17 Thanksgiving Recap and Fun Stories03:57 Introducing Today's Guest: Erik Hanvey07:39 Erik Hanvey's Journey: Selling His Company11:41 Lessons Learned and Personal Growth15:33 The Process of Selling a Business22:15 Life After Selling: WorkerSpring28:14 Final Thoughts and Advice for Entrepreneurs34:57 Conclusion and Farewell

David and Rob dive deep into the realms of leadership, faith, and culture. They are joined by Jes Averhart, a renowned leadership advisor and fourth-generation entrepreneur. Jes shares insights on value-centered leadership, the importance of asking questions over seeking immediate answers, and embracing optimism and curiosity. Throughout the conversation, various aspects of leadership challenges such as overcoming fear and anxiety, embodying principles, maintaining a 'say-do' ratio, and the concept of 'proximate leadership' are explored. Jes also discusses the significance of being a calm leader in times of flux and change, and shares personal stories to illustrate her points. Ultimately, this episode encourages leaders to engage deeply with their teams and communities, promoting trust and fostering growth.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:13 Halloween Vibes and Personal Catch-Up02:18 Introducing Jes Averhart02:44 Jes Averhart's Background and Achievements06:00 The State of Leadership Today08:59 Value-Centered Leadership and Nostalgia13:51 Challenges and Anxieties in Leadership15:37 Navigating Crucible Moments19:51 The Journey of Self-Discovery20:32 Exploring the Third Door21:45 The Thrive Assessment for Business Leaders22:41 The Importance of Inner Work for Leaders24:05 Holistic Leadership Conversations26:29 The Power of Proximity in Leadership29:24 Challenges in Embracing Just Leadership30:55 The Say-Do Ratio in Leadership32:34 Navigating Different Spaces as a Leader35:33 The Role of Optimism and Learning in Leadership38:14 Final Thoughts and Bottom Lines

David and Rob discuss the final quality from David's book The Just Leader: Thriving in a Fractured World. They explore what it means to take bold and courageous action, a necessary trait for just leaders. The discussion covers three main aspects: actions that are unpopular, disruptive, and slow. They emphasize the importance of looking at long-term impacts and the essential need for leaders to take steps that may not yield immediate results but will benefit future generations. The episode also touches on understanding broken systems, taking generational perspectives, and how to handle discomfort and criticism as a just leader. 00:00 Introduction to Just Leadership00:37 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast02:16 Introducing the Four Qualities of a Just Leader04:04 Defining Bold and Courageous Action05:41 Unpacking Bold and Courageous Action10:40 Action That is Unpopular18:08 Action That is Disruptive20:56 Action That is Slow26:18 Conclusion and Next Steps

David and Rob discuss the all important topic of success: how the world defines it, how scripture transforms it, and ultimately how we make the shift from success as winning to success as flourishing--for others and for ourselves. 00:00 Introduction: The Paradox of Worldly Success00:34 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:30 Seasonal Joys and Personal Anecdotes03:01 Exploring the True Meaning of Success09:25 Biblical Perspective on Success14:03 Practical Steps for Leaders to Foster Flourishing24:26 Preview of Next Episode: Success and Money26:04 Closing Remarks and Resources

David and Rob tackle the importance of integrating mental health with leadership, both for oneself and for one's organization. They are joined by Dr. Jason Young, a seasoned psychotherapist, who shares insights from his work with business leaders. The discussion covers the significance of addressing exhaustion, isolation, and the fundamental human need for connection. Dr. Young emphasizes the interconnectedness of spiritual formation and the pursuit of justice, providing practical advice on how leaders can start small and go slow in their mental health journeys. The episode also highlights the 'Six Stones' retreat program, designed to help men engage deeply with their own development and identity. Join Rob, David, and Jason in an engaging conversation that offers a path toward healthier, more holistic leadership.00:00 Welcoming the Stranger: A Leadership Perspective00:32 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:21 Casual Conversations and Personal Updates02:26 Introducing Dr. Jason Young02:59 The Importance of Mental Health for Leaders06:41 Common Struggles in Leadership11:07 Strategies for Prioritizing Mental Health14:46 Challenges in Achieving Contentment18:58 The Role of Leaders in Supporting Team Mental Health24:44 Understanding Isolation and Mental Health25:43 Facilitating Diversity in Organizations26:38 The Thrive Assessment for Business Leaders27:34 Jason's Personal Journey and Insights28:51 The Six Stones Program38:15 Stages of Faith and Personal Growth42:11 Balancing Inner Journey and Outer Justice45:02 Practical Steps for Leaders46:40 Resources and Opportunities

David and Rob discuss impactful charitable investing with Paul Hawkinson, Co-Founder and Executive Director of Transform Capital. Paul's journey from Wall Street to social impact entrepreneurship is explored, highlighting the innovative model of Transform Capital which uses purely philanthropic dollars to fund sustainable, below-market rate mortgage loans for marginalized communities. The discussion emphasizes mutual transformation through proximity, with real-life stories of impact from both clients and investors. As Paul shares his personal experiences and vision for the future, he encourages business leaders to reimagine traditional philanthropic approaches and invest in creating systemic change.00:00 Introduction and Purpose00:47 Meet the Hosts01:37 Celebrating Personal Milestones03:50 Transition to Today's Topic04:12 Introducing Paul Hawkinson06:57 Paul's Background and Vision10:28 Transform Capital's Unique Model13:32 Challenges and Success Stories19:05 Engaging with Investors and Community28:37 Future Vision and Closing Thoughts31:19 Final Reflections and Encouragement37:09 Conclusion and Resources

David and Rob delve into the concept of 'gleaning'—a biblical principle designed to help the less fortunate by leaving the edges of fields unharvested. They discuss how this ancient practice can be adapted to modern business strategies to benefit both companies and communities. The conversation covers the importance of not waiting for the perfect time to start gleaning, practical examples of how businesses can implement gleaning strategies, and the need for businesses to adopt a broader vision of success focused on community impact. Statistics about current charitable giving and debt among Christians provide a sobering backdrop, underscoring the need for a radical, counter-cultural approach to leadership. The episode concludes with actionable advice for business leaders on how to develop and implement gleaning strategies within their organizations.00:00 Introduction and Encouragement to Act00:29 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:17 Exploring the Concept of Gleaning02:48 The Biblical Principle of Gleaning04:24 Modern-Day Gleaning and Its Importance10:24 Practical Steps for Business Leaders10:54 Sobering Statistics on Giving and Debt17:35 Developing a Gleaning Strategy23:03 Examples of Modern-Day Gleaning26:54 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

David and Rob engage in a deep conversation about effective money stewardship to promote justice and community wellbeing. Joined by Craig Stephenson, CEO of Cary Oil Company, Inc., and Hunt Davis, founder of Canopy Lawn Care, they explore evolving perspectives on money, stakeholder capitalism, and the ethical responsibilities of leadership. Key discussions include the multifaceted nature of money, its influence on personal and family life, and the paradox of financial success. The speakers emphasize the importance of intentionality in financial planning, ethical resource allocation, and the role of financial education for children. They also delve into economic justice principles, ethical business practices, and the balance between profitability and altruism, urging leaders to continually wrestle with these ideas to create a just and impactful business environment.00:00 The Role of Capital in Creating Justice00:40 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:29 Exploring the Intersection of Money and Justice02:14 Meet Our Guests: Craig Stephenson and Hunt Davis03:34 Personal Motivations and Leadership Perspectives06:08 The Concept of Stewardship in Leadership08:34 The Complex Relationship with Money12:22 Money as a Tool, Test, and Testimony16:37 The Burden and Blessing of Money19:10 Exploring the Concept of 'The Line'19:27 Introducing the Thrive Assessment20:23 Craig's Perspective on Burden and Wealth23:24 Justice in Business Practices25:08 Family Financial Education and Stewardship29:56 Economic Justice and Gleaning Principles34:49 Equity Ownership and Wealth Creation38:16 Concluding Thoughts and Leadership Impact

David and Rob are joined by guest Dr. Michaela O'Donnell, Executive Director Chair at the Max De Pree Center for Leadership and co-author of the book Life in Flux: Navigational Skills to Guide and Ground You in an Ever-Changing World. They delve into essential themes such as leading through uncertainty, internal growth, and systemic innovation. Key discussions highlight the importance of adaptive strategies, vocational transitions, balancing innovation with stability during crises, and aligning personal with organizational missions.Through captivating analogies and practical examples, the podcast offers valuable insights to help leaders cultivate self-awareness, navigate complexities, and foster resilient teams. Listeners are encouraged to explore additional resources at https://depree.org.00:00 Introduction: The Rapid Pace of Change00:38 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:59 Introducing Today's Guest: Dr. Michaela O'Donnell02:24 The Concept of Flux in Leadership04:55 Personal Stories and Leadership Insights09:58 Navigating Change and Uncertainty18:15 Balancing Innovation and Stability21:20 Reflective Questions and Collaborative Decisions21:34 Google's 80/20 Philosophy22:43 The Thrive Assessment: A Tool for Leaders23:40 Navigating Leadership with a Compass25:56 Roger's Story: Finding Direction in the Fog32:20 Practical Steps for Leaders to Cultivate Self-Awareness

David engages in an insightful conversation with Paul Green, former leader of Hope for the Inner City in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The discussion revolves around authentic leadership, particularly focusing on building genuine relationships as leaders—with peers, subordinates, and within the community. Paul shares his personal experiences and challenges, especially as a Black leader, and the importance of having trusted allies. He recounts overcoming initial mistrust and isolation and finding genuine connections through networks like the Christian Community Development Association. Paul emphasizes the significance of vulnerability, setting boundaries, and nurturing team members as integral to effective leadership. He also reflects on his near-death experience requiring a kidney transplant, narrating how it reshaped his understanding of dependency on God, appreciation for marriage, and the value of time.00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast01:02 Continuing the Conversation with Paul Green01:59 Authentic Relationships with Peers and Subordinates02:50 Paul Green's Leadership Journey05:07 Challenges in Urban Ministry05:58 Finding Trustworthy Support11:14 Dealing with Loneliness and Isolation17:22 Cross-Cultural Leadership Dynamics22:45 First Impressions and Initial Interactions23:32 Understanding Leadership Dynamics27:50 The Importance of Vulnerability in Leadership33:54 Balancing Vulnerability and Authority37:33 A Near-Death Experience and Its Lessons40:23 Final Reflections and Gratitude42:48 Closing Remarks and Resources

David sits down with Paul Green, one of his mentors and a long-time director of Hope for the Inner City in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Paul shares his personal journey from being a first-generation immigrant and his transformative encounter with faith in Compton, California, to his leadership role in the challenging environment of inner-city projects. A key discussion point includes the importance of listening and embracing the perspectives of others in leadership. Paul emphasizes the role of authentic relationships, prayer, and the support system needed to sustain leadership amidst challenges. The conversation also delves into balancing leadership responsibilities with nurturing personal relationships, especially with spouses, where Paul shares experiences from his 37-year marriage. Additionally, they reflect on the necessity of being open to mentorship and transparent communications within leadership roles.00:00 Introduction and Core Message00:20 Welcome to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast00:28 Meet the Hosts: Rob Shields and David Spickard00:37 Proverbs 11:10: A Vision for Leadership02:03 Today's Special Guest: Paul Green02:57 Paul Green's Impactful Story07:25 Paul's Journey to Faith13:38 Challenges and Triumphs in Leadership22:26 Trust and Vulnerability in Relationships23:11 Introducing the Thrive Assessment24:04 The Importance of Authentic Relationships25:18 Faith as the Foundation of Leadership28:56 The Power of Prayer32:46 Balancing Marriage and Ministry39:05 Navigating Conflict and Communication43:56 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this episode, Adam Gustine discusses how leadership in both church and business settings can move beyond a narrow focus on justice as outreach strategy to cultivating thriving communities where justice is a core value. He challenges leaders to prioritize transformation within their own organizations and to rethink power dynamics and compensation structures in ways that reflect ethical contributions, not just economic value. Adam shares insights from his book, Becoming a Just Church, and explores how business leaders can integrate these principles to foster workplaces of kinship and belonging.00:37 Proverbs 11:10: A Vision for Leadership01:52 Justice and the Church02:18 Guest Introduction: Adam Gustine04:05 Interview with Adam Gustine Begins06:27 Defining Justice and Shalom14:12 Challenges in Creating Just Communities18:16 Applying Justice Principles in Business32:26 The Role of Power in Justice38:59 Final Thoughts and Takeaways42:33 Closing Remarks and ResourcesAdditional resources:Ecosystems of Jubilee