Ascendle Unscripted: Accelerating Digital Innovation

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Ascendle Unscripted: Accelerating Digital Innovation

Whether you're a digital product leader, a tech enthusiast, or simply passionate about software and innovation, Ascendle Unscripted has something for you.Our strategists and industry expert guests dive into real-world examples and actionable strategies to tackle common digital innovation challenges. From team dynamics and new product development to navigating new technologies, each episode offers practical guidance to help you drive innovation and achieve success. Tune in to unlock the full potential of your digital strategy!

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    Translators, Not Promoters: The Real Role of Product Marketing

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, Michael Cinquino, Mike Lemons, and Clint Edmonson delve into the often misunderstood role of product marketing within tech organizations. They discuss the critical differences between product marketing and product management, the importance of customer empathy, and the need for effective communication throughout the product development lifecycle. The conversation emphasizes the significance of understanding customer challenges, the translation of complex technical features into customer value, and the necessity of involving sales and marketing teams early in the go-to-market process. The episode concludes with insights on maintaining flexibility and a customer-centric approach in product development.TakeawaysProduct marketing is often confused with product management, but they serve different roles.Understanding customer needs is crucial for effective product marketing.Empathy for the customer is essential in product development.Timing signals can determine the success of a product launch.The translation of technical features into customer benefits is a key responsibility of product marketers.A non-linear career path is common in product marketing.Familiarity with software is important for product marketers.Feedback and friction are valuable for learning and improvement.Team alignment is critical in the go-to-market strategy.Continuous learning and adaptation are necessary for success in tech.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Product Marketing02:22 Understanding the Role of Product Marketing04:14 Distinguishing Product Marketing from Product Management05:35 The Value of Strong Product Marketing08:21 Balancing Customer Needs and Vision11:33 Timing Signals in Product Development14:18 The Translation Process in Product Marketing17:36 Empathy in Engineering and Product Development19:02 Navigating Non-Linear Career Paths in Product Marketing19:59 Understanding Customer Challenges22:27 The Importance of Mentorship23:15 Repetition and Experience in Learning24:41 Observing User Behavior25:29 Translating Customer Needs28:50 The Role of Friction in Feedback32:28 Involving Teams Early in Product Launch34:42 Aligning Engineering and Marketing37:52 Being a Fan of Software

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    From Chuck D to ChatGPT: Lathan Hodge on the Evolution of Media

    SummaryThis conversation explores the transformative impact of AI on content creation, ownership, and the evolving relationship between technology and creativity. Lathan Hodge and Jason Ling discuss the challenges and opportunities presented by AI, emphasizing the importance of human involvement in the creative process, the need for fair compensation for creators, and the implications of rapid production in a saturated market. They also address the blurred lines of originality and ownership in the digital age, advocating for a thoughtful approach to leveraging technology in the creative industries.TakeawaysAI is reshaping the landscape of content creation across various industries.Staying curious and open to new technologies is essential for creators.The relationship between content and audience is evolving with technology.Ownership and originality are increasingly complex in the age of AI.The human element is crucial in AI-driven content creation.There is a significant mismatch between how content is created and how creators are compensated.The pace of production is accelerating, but quality must not be sacrificed for speed.Attention spans are shorter, making it harder to capture audience interest.AI can enhance creativity but should not replace the human touch.Collaboration between creators and technologists is vital for meaningful innovation.Chapters00:00 The Evolution of Content and Technology04:29 AI's Impact on Content Creation09:27 The Role of Creators in AI Development12:14 Leading by Culture in the Age of AI15:19 Navigating Inspiration, Theft, and Innovation21:17 The Evolution of Content Creation22:09 Mismatches in Content Production and Creator Compensation24:14 AI's Impact on Production Efficiency28:08 The Pace of Production: Is Faster Better?31:08 Output vs. Outcome in Content Creation36:30 Navigating Attention in a Saturated Market39:19 The Role of AI in Content and Product Development43:24 Final Thoughts: Tools for Creators and Tech Leaders

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    Tools, Not Crutches: Building Teams That Think, Not Just Prompt

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, Michael Cinquino, Jason Ling, and Christie Mealo discuss the evolving role of AI in product management. They explore the balance between leveraging AI tools and maintaining critical thinking and creativity in the workforce. The conversation highlights the importance of soft skills, the significance of data as a differentiator, and the need for organizations to strategically introduce friction to foster growth and innovation. As AI continues to shape the future of work, the panel emphasizes the necessity of preparing for a workforce that collaborates with AI agents while preserving human qualities and critical thinking.TakeawaysThe balance between AI tools and critical thinking is crucial.Soft skills are becoming increasingly important in the workforce.Data is a key differentiator in AI-driven products.Organizations should focus on outcomes rather than outputs.Introducing friction can foster creativity and growth.The future workforce will collaborate with AI agents.Technical skills alone are no longer sufficient for success.Maintaining a passion for learning is essential.AI should be a tool, not a crutch. Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Background02:25 AI in Healthcare: Opportunities and Challenges05:06 The Role of Generative AI in Product Management08:08 Balancing AI Tools and Human Creativity11:25 Hiring for Soft Skills in a Tech-Driven World14:13 The Importance of Qualitative Data in AI Usage19:05 The Polarizing Apple Paper on AI21:23 AI as a Horizontal Technology24:12 The Importance of Data in AI26:24 The Future of Conversational Interfaces30:30 Introducing Friction for Growth36:07 Shifting Workplace Patterns and Future Strategies

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    Tech Eating Tech: Why AI Agents Will Change Everything

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, host Michael Cinquino talks with technical evangelist Jeff Blankenburg and Ascendle VP of Engineering Clint Edmonson about the transformative impact of AI agents on user interactions, business processes, and the future of the news industry. They explore the concept of 'tech eating tech,' the importance of attention in the digital economy, and how organizations can leverage AI to manage time more effectively. The conversation also delves into the evolving roles of engineers and the necessity for leaders to embrace AI technology to stay competitive.TakeawaysAI agents may become the next user interface.Tech eating tech is reshaping the digital landscape.Attention is the new currency in the digital economy.AI can streamline complex workflows in enterprises.Augmentation is the key to enhancing human productivity.The future of news may require a shift in payment models.Managing AI agents will require new organizational structures.Identifying time leaks can help businesses leverage AI effectively.Engineers must adapt to the changing landscape of technology.First movers in AI will have a significant advantage.Chapters00:00 The Rise of AI Agents in Tech02:26 Tech Eating Tech: The Evolution of Search04:58 Attention Economy: The Shift in User Engagement07:25 The Impact of AI on Enterprise Workflows09:20 Building for Agents: The Future of SaaS10:56 Augmentation: Enhancing Human Capability12:43 The New Normal: Speed of Thought14:44 Data Accessibility: The Golden Age of Information16:11 The Economics of Attention in the Digital Age18:44 The Future of News Consumption20:17 The Challenge of Mindless Consumption22:08 The Future of Financial Transactions with AI Agents23:21 Security Challenges in AI-Driven Transactions24:46 The Risks of AI Agents in Financial Management27:27 Managing Multiple AI Agents Effectively29:14 Establishing Financial Guardrails for AI Usage31:18 Identifying Time Leaks for AI Optimization35:31 Engineering Mindset: What to Stop Doing39:16 Embracing AI: The Inevitable Future

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    AI-First Teams, Vibe Coding, and Agentic Workflows: How SaaS is Evolving in 2025

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, hosts Michael Cinquino, Dave Todaro, and Jeremy Jackson discuss the transformative impact of AI on SaaS product development. They explore concepts like Vibe coding, rapid prototyping, and the shift from rules-based to goal-based automation. The conversation emphasizes the importance of maintaining product discipline, the dangers of over iteration, and the need for ruthless prioritization. They also address the balance between agility and customer needs, the role of AI in scaling teams, and the necessity of continuous learning in an evolving technological landscape.Key TakeawaysVibe coding allows for rapid prototyping without extensive coding knowledge.The shift to live prototyping can drastically reduce time to market.Over iteration can lead to diminishing returns in product development.Ruthless prioritization is essential to avoid building the wrong things faster.Customer adoption cycles can be slower than anticipated, requiring patience.Agentic AI enables goal-based automation, enhancing workflow efficiency.Retaining core skills is crucial in an increasingly automated environment.AI first teams should be a focus for all business functions.Sustaining momentum with AI tools requires continuous reinforcement and learning.Establishing AI governance is vital for balanced and responsible adoption.Chapters00:00 Introduction to AI in SaaS02:56 Vibe Coding and Prototyping Revolution05:56 Impact of Rapid Prototyping on Development08:48 Managing Over Iteration in Development11:56 Ruthless Prioritization in AI Development15:02 Agentic AI and Automating Intent19:11 The Future of Skills in an AI-Driven World22:02 AI First Teams and New Operational Models25:01 Sustaining Momentum with AI Tools27:57 The Role of AI Champions in Organizations30:50 Actionable Takeaways for SaaS CEOs

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    The Business Case for Agentic AI: Faster, Smarter, Autonomous

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, Michael Cinquino, Jason Ling, and Clint Edmonson delve into the emerging topic of Agentic AI. They explore its definition, implications for businesses, and how it differs from generative AI. The conversation covers the technical aspects of Agentic AI, its potential to revolutionize search engines, and the importance of understanding customer ownership in a digital landscape. The guests share real-world applications of Agentic AI in various industries and discuss how organizations can start implementing this technology to augment talent and improve efficiency. The episode concludes with insights on the future of AI and the need for governance as the technology evolves.TakeawaysAgentic AI is a digital helper that can multitask.It represents a shift from manual workflows to learning engines.The future of search is moving from results to direct answers.Executives need to consider who owns the customer in a digital transaction.AI agents will change the economic model of how we find services.Real-world applications of Agentic AI are already being implemented in companies like Moderna and United Health.Organizations should look for ways to augment talent with AI rather than replace it.Low-code and no-code platforms are making it easier to experiment with AI.Reduction of friction in processes will create new opportunities for businesses.Chapters00:00 Understanding Agentic AI07:57 The Shift in Search Dynamics12:32 Implications for Executives and Product Teams19:17 Real-World Applications of Agentic AI26:17 Augmenting Talent with AI35:04 Final Thoughts and Future Directions

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    Episode 17 Bonus: Thought Leadership in Today's Crowded Marketing Landscape

    SummaryIn this conversation, Jacki Brown and Susannah Parnin Mitchell discuss the significance of thought leadership in today's crowded marketing landscape. They emphasize the need for clear messaging and understanding the audience's challenges. The discussion also covers how to navigate the noise of traditional advertising by building authenticity and connection through thought leadership. They share practical tips for overcoming fears associated with stepping into thought leadership, including the importance of consistency and sharing personal insights. They conclude by highlighting the value of challenging the status quo to foster innovation and collaboration.TakeawaysThought leadership is essential in a noisy marketing world.Clear messaging helps audiences understand your value.Authenticity builds connection in a saturated market.Now is the best time to start thought leadership.Consistency in posting enhances engagement on platforms like LinkedIn.You don't need to be a great writer to share insights.Stories resonate more than traditional marketing messages.Building relationships digitally can be as valuable as in-person networking.Challenging the status quo can lead to innovation.Your unique perspectives are valuable, even if not universally accepted.Chapters00:00 The Importance of Thought Leadership03:01 Overcoming Barriers to Thought Leadership06:07 Building Authentic Connections Through Content08:53 Challenging the Status Quo in Thought Leadership

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    Don’t Build It Until You Can Sell It: Go-to-Market from Day One

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, Michael Cinquino, Jacki Brown, and Susannah Parnin Mitchell discuss the critical role of effective questioning in marketing and product development. They explore the importance of understanding target audiences, the necessity of integrating marketing from the start of product development, and the challenges of positioning in a competitive landscape. The conversation also delves into the impact of AI on marketing strategies, the significance of thought leadership in capturing attention, and actionable insights for product leaders to ensure successful go-to-market strategies.TakeawaysEffective questions are crucial at every stage of product development.Understanding your target audience is key to successful positioning.Marketing should be integrated from the beginning of product development.Positioning must clearly communicate unique value to customers.AI is a powerful tool, but its value must be clearly articulated.Market segmentation is essential for targeting the right audience.Collaboration across teams is vital for successful product launches.Operational readiness is necessary before launching a product.Chapters00:00 The Importance of Early Marketing Involvement08:10 Learning from Mistakes: Positioning Gone Wrong11:45 The Importance of Effective Questions14:08 Understanding Target Audience for Positioning16:51 Key Questions for Product Positioning22:18 The Role of Marketing in Product Development24:11 The Evolution of Attention in Marketing27:17 Navigating AI in Marketing31:37 The Dangers of AI Washing35:52 Actionable Insights for Product Leaders39:06 The Go-to-Market Strategy41:12 Becoming a Thought Leader

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    Agile Is a Mindset, Not a Method

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, host Michael Cinquino, CEO Dave Todaro, and guest Joel Parmar discuss the challenges and strategies of implementing an agile mindset in large, traditionally structured organizations. They explore the balance between control and innovation, the importance of asking the right questions, and how agile thinking can be applied to emerging technologies like AI and cloud strategy. The conversation emphasizes that agility is not just about speed but about learning and adapting to change, with a focus on leadership's role in fostering a culture of agility.Takeaways-Agile mindset is crucial for large organizations.-Cultural resistance is a major barrier to digital transformation.-Agile empowers teams to respond to real-time changes.-Mindset should evolve into a skill set for effective implementation.-Control and predictability are often misaligned with innovation.-Asking 'why' helps clarify purpose and direction.-Celebrating failures is essential for learning and growth.-Agile thinking is vital for AI and cloud projects.-Start small with agile practices to see gradual change.-Leadership support is critical for successful agile transformation.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Agile Mindset in Organizations02:47 Understanding Agile vs Traditional Structures07:33 Implementing Agile Mindset as a Skill Set11:18 Balancing Control and Innovation18:10 Asking the Right Questions for Agile Implementation26:28 Agile Thinking in AI and Cloud Strategy32:20 Starting Small with Agile Practices38:29 Concluding Thoughts on Agile Mindset

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    Preparing Your Healthtech Organization for AI

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, Michael Cinquino engages with Susannah Parnin-Mitchell and Bridget Bell to explore the concept of organizational readiness, particularly in the context of AI integration within healthcare. They discuss the multifaceted nature of readiness, the importance of receptivity to change, and the critical role of leadership in navigating these transformations. The conversation highlights common pitfalls organizations face when adopting AI, the significance of aligning technology with strategic goals, and the potential of predictive medicine to enhance patient outcomes. The episode concludes with insights on the future of organizations that successfully adapt to technological advancements.TakeawaysOrganizational readiness is multifaceted and requires alignment across various domains.Receptivity to change is crucial for successful AI integration.Readiness is a moving target, especially in healthcare.Leadership plays a vital role in driving change and fostering a culture- of curiosity.AI should be driven by genuine use cases rather than technology for technology's sake.Common pitfalls include failing to identify low-risk use cases for AI.Effective communication and concise messaging are essential for leaders.AI can significantly improve operational efficiency and patient outcomes.Predictive medicine has the potential to empower patients and enhance care.The future belongs to organizations that align strategy with emerging technologies.Chapters00:00 Understanding Organizational Readiness06:00 Indicators of Readiness vs. Not Ready12:02 Common Pitfalls in AI Integration14:32 Leadership Signals in Driving Change16:26 AI Applications in Healthcare22:51 Predictive vs. Preventative Medicine29:13 The Future of Organizations and AI

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    The Effortless Experience: Balancing AI Innovation with Customer-Centric Design

    SummaryIn this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, host Michael Cinquino engages with Amy Heymans and Diana Bourns to explore the intersection of AI, customer experience, and business strategy. They discuss how service design and futures thinking can help companies navigate the AI revolution, the importance of balancing what we could do with what we should do, and the need for effortless customer experiences. The conversation emphasizes the significance of human-centered technology and the necessity for a long-term vision in business strategy.TakeawaysService design optimizes customer experiences across the lifecycle.Futurist thinking helps envision and avoid undesirable outcomes.AI can empower people by handling mundane tasks.Ethics in AI is crucial for improving human experiences.Businesses must focus on customer pain points for effective solutions.AI should enhance human efforts, not replace them.Effortless experiences are key to customer loyalty.Data quality is essential for effective AI implementation.Long-term vision is necessary for sustainable business success.Companies should prioritize human-centered technology.Chapters00:00 Navigating the AI Revolution in Customer Experience06:21 The Balance of Could vs. Should in AI Implementation12:04 Creating Effortless Customer Experiences18:44 Human-Centered Technology: The Future of AI24:37 Data Quality and Customer Understanding30:30 Long-Term Vision vs. Short-Term Results

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    AI and The Human Experience

    Summary: In this episode, host Michael Cinquino is joined by Susannah Parnin Mitchell, VP of Operations at Ascendle, and Jenn Wurth, Senior Product Design Manager, to explore the evolving role of AI in UX design. By focusing on customer needs, addressing misconceptions, and maintaining foundational skills, designers can leverage AI to enhance their work and deliver meaningful solutions.Key Highlights:    • Understanding customer needs is crucial for effective UX design.    • There is a tension between AI adoption and customer understanding.    • Research is essential to identify practical use cases for AI.    • Historical parallels can inform current AI adoption strategies.    • Human-AI collaboration can enhance decision-making.    • UX professionals should focus on building trust with AI solutions.    • Staying centered on customer problems is key to successful design.Chapters00:00 Introduction to UX and AI02:50 The Impact of AI on Design06:06 Navigating Client Expectations with AI08:43 Research and Understanding Customer Needs11:53 Historical Parallels in Technology Adoption15:02 Practical Applications of AI in UX17:57 Augmenting Human Decision-Making with AI21:06 First Steps for UX Professionals23:54 The Evolution of Skills in the Age of AI26:38 Final Thoughts and TakeawaysTune in to gain valuable insights on leveraging AI to deliver meaningful solutions in UX design.

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    Navigating the Future of AI: From Machine Learning to AGI

    In this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, host Michael Cinquino engages with guests Clint Edmonson (Director of Software Engineering) and Ramsin Khoshabeh (Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at UC San Diego) to explore the intersection of artificial intelligence, human intelligence, and the future of work. The conversation delves into personal philosophies, the definition of intelligence, the importance of foundational skills, and the potential of AI to enhance human capabilities. Clint and Ramsin share insights on the role of education in nurturing creativity and craftsmanship, the implications of AI on job markets, and the quest for true artificial general intelligence (AGI).

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    Why Every Digital Initiative Should be Product-Led, Not Technology-Led

    Are your product teams digging into the WHY? In this episode, Dave Todaro and Jason Ling discuss the critical importance of product-led innovation in today's digital landscape. Learn how aligning product and technology teams can drive successful innovation, maximize ROI, and create value for customers. Tune in to hear real-life examples, key questions to ask, and strategies to avoid common pitfalls in digital initiatives.

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    Beyond Cloud Strategy: Generative AI and the Future of Enterprise Technology

    Generative AI is no longer just a trend— it's fundamentally changed how businesses operate. In this episode, Dario Rivera (Principal Partner Solution Architect at Amazon Web Services) and Clint Edmonson (Director of Software Engineering at Ascendle) explore the impact of AI on enterprise innovation, workforce development, and data utilization. They discuss how AI is breathing new life into legacy data, why AI proficiency is becoming a critical workplace skill, and what businesses can do to stay ahead in an AI-driven world. Find out how to harness AI as a strategic advantage and drive meaningful innovation.

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    Lessons Learned From App Modernization Projects and How to Adopt a Winning Strategy

    Staying competitive in today's fast-paced digital landscape means evolving—or getting left behind. In this episode, we dive into the challenges and lessons learned from real-world app modernization projects with Jeremy Jackson (Group CTO at ASG), and Dave Todaro (Founder & CEO of Ascendle). From overcoming technical debt to choosing the right modernization strategy, our experts share insights to help you future-proof your software and keep your business ahead of the curve.

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    The Hidden Costs of AI Implementation - What Product Leaders Need to Know

    AI implementation promises game-changing innovation, but what about the costs you don't see? In this episode, Jason Ling (Director of Product Strategy) and Gina Angelone (Product Strategist) explore the hidden expenses of integrating AI into your software development products. From unanticipated infrastructure demands to talent gaps and long-term maintenance, we dive into the challenges that often catch organizations off guard. Whether you're considering AI for your business or navigating its complexities, this conversation will help you prepare for what lies beneath the surface. Tune in to uncover strategies to mitigate risks and make smarter AI investments.

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    Software Professionals' New Year's Resolutions

    As the new year begins, how can software professionals set goals that truly make a difference? Join Susannah Mitchell (VP of Operations) and Lynzi Cashman (Director of Delivery) as they explore effective strategies for goal-setting in the tech industry. They discuss the importance of SMART goals and introduce the concept of "broadly specific" objectives that provide direction while allowing for flexibility. Discover how to set meaningful resolutions that foster personal and professional growth throughout the year.

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    Process Standardization: How much is too much?

    Striking the right balance in process standardization is crucial for organizational success. In this episode, Susannah Mitchell (VP of Operations) and Sally Punch (Senior Product Operations Manager) explore how consistent workflows can drive efficiency and scalability, while cautioning against rigid systems that hinder creativity and adaptability. Learn how to craft processes that empower your team, foster innovation, and keep your organization agile in a fast-changing world.

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    Taming Timelines – Navigating the Question of “When Will It Be Done?"

    Few questions are more critical in software development than "When will it be done?" In this episode, VP of Operations Susannah Mitchell and PCMI's Chief Product Officer Dan O'Keefe share practical strategies for managing timelines with confidence. They explore how to define project scope, align teams, and foster collaboration to deliver predictable results. Learn how to turn this question into an opportunity to improve clarity, communication, and trust across your organization.

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    Agile is Dead—Long Live Agile!

    Agile has transformed how organizations approach software development, but many teams struggle to keep its practices meaningful. In this episode, Dave Todaro (Founder & CEO) and Lynzi Cashman (Director of Delivery) explore why some organizations feel disillusioned with agile and how to rediscover its true value. They break down common pitfalls, offer practical ways to adapt agile to your team's needs, and discuss how agile can evolve to stay relevant in today's fast-paced environment.

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    The AI Impact: A Revolution Worth Your Attention?

    Artificial Intelligence is making waves across industries, but does your organization truly need it? In this episode, Ben Friedberg (Senior Software Architect ) and Jason Ling (Director of Product Strategy) delve into the realities of AI adoption in business. They discuss the hype versus the practical applications, key questions to consider before investing, and the importance of ethical oversight. Learn how AI can enhance, not replace, human capabilities, and discover strategies to implement AI thoughtfully and responsibly within your organization.

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    Why Your Software Development Organization Can't Get Sh*t Done, and What to do About It

    Ever wondered why your software projects miss deadlines or go over budget? In this episode, discover the common pitfalls that hinder productivity and learn actionable strategies to overcome them. From building the right product to ensuring quality and predictability, Founder & CEO Dave Todaro offers practical advice to help your organization deliver successful projects on time and within budget.

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    Bridging the Product and Tech Divide: How Healthy Software Organizations Make it Work

    What's the secret to getting product and tech teams to work in harmony? In this episode of Ascendle Unscripted, Clint Edmonson (Director of Software Engineering) and Jason Ling (Director of Product Strategy) tackle one of the most common challenges in software development: bridging the divide between vision and execution. Hear real-world tips on breaking down communication barriers, aligning goals, and fostering collaboration to create game-changing results. If you've ever struggled with team silos or misaligned priorities, this conversation is a must-listen.

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Whether you're a digital product leader, a tech enthusiast, or simply passionate about software and innovation, Ascendle Unscripted has something for you.Our strategists and industry expert guests dive into real-world examples and actionable strategies to tackle common digital innovation challenges. From team dynamics and new product development to navigating new technologies, each episode offers practical guidance to help you drive innovation and achieve success. Tune in to unlock the full potential of your digital strategy!

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