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Between The Lines

Chelle and Leanne are avid readers, mothers, and both work therapeutically with families. We read the books, and share perspectives on how they can add value to your life.

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    Ep 68: Romantasy after coming of age, with Olivia O'Flynn

    Olivia O'Flynn on Ever Blessed (Tides of Ever, Book 1) In this episode of Between the Lines, we're joined by author Olivia O'Flynn to talk about her fantasy novel Ever Blessed, the first book in the Tides of Ever series. Olivia shares how the story came to life, why she set out to write "the book she wanted to read," and what readers can expect from the world, characters, and themes in the series. We also discuss how the book has been categorised by readers (including "romantasy"), and what that label can mean in practice. In this episode we discuss: Ever Blessed as Book 1 in the Tides of Ever series Olivia's motivation for writing fantasy and the types of stories she loves as a reader Genre conversations, including how the book is sometimes described as romantasy Writing approach and craft choices (including character and tone) Myth and inspiration touchpoints, including recommendations Olivia shares for readers interested in myth retellings and adjacent fantasy/romantasy reads What's next in the series and where Book 2 is at About the book Ever Blessed is a fantasy novel set in the world of the Tides of Ever series. It blends magic, adventure, and relationship dynamics, with a strong focus on compelling characters and an immersive setting. About Olivia O'Flynn Olivia O'Flynn is an author of fantasy fiction and the creator of the Tides of Ever series.   AND IF YOU LOVE DISCUSSING BOOKS: Join our bookclub here for insider author chats: https://www.betweenthelinesaustralia.com/bookclub2026

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    Ep 67: Secrets, Small Towns and Strong Female Detectives: Fiona Tarr Live at Sunshine Coast Fiction Festival

    Secrets, Small Towns and Strong Female Detectives: Fiona Tarr Live at Sunshine Coast Fiction Festival In this special live episode of Between The Lines, Chelle and Leanne sit down with Australian crime author Fiona Tarr at the Sunshine Coast Fiction Festival to talk about her gripping, atmospheric novels. Fiona writes crime fiction set in distinctly Australian landscapes - from remote tropical towns to outback mining communities - where secrets run deep and the past is never far behind. We discuss two of her novels: Grave Regret, which follows detective Dawn Grave as she returns to the town tied to her traumatic past when her sister goes missing, and Her Buried Bones, where a young constable arrives in an outback opal town searching for answers about her family, only to uncover a suspicious death and a trail of buried secrets. Across both stories, Fiona explores what happens when personal history collides with professional duty, and how the truth can be both dangerous to uncover - and impossible to ignore. In This Episode We Discuss Writing crime fiction set in uniquely Australian environments Creating strong, complex female investigators How personal backstories shape investigative decisions The role of small towns in building tension and secrecy Balancing personal stakes with crime-driven plots Why secrets - both personal and communal - sit at the heart of great crime fiction Themes Explored The impact of the past on the present Family, loyalty and unresolved trauma Power dynamics in small communities Corruption, silence and hidden truths The tension between doing your job and following your instincts About the Books Grave Regret is a small-town Australian crime novel following detective Dawn Grave as she returns to her hometown to investigate her sister's disappearance — a case that forces her to confront the trauma she's spent decades trying to forget. Her Buried Bones is set in an outback opal mining town, where a young constable investigating a suspicious death uncovers secrets that may be linked to her own family's past. Both novels combine strong settings, layered characters and steadily building tension.   About the Author Fiona Tarr is an Australian crime author known for writing atmospheric mysteries set in rural and remote communities. Her work focuses on strong female leads, complex personal histories and the hidden dynamics within small towns.   Join Our Book-Loving Community Chelle and Leanne created Between The Lines because they love books and great conversations — and wanted to share both with you. 📚 Listen to the podcast for author interviews and reading inspiration 📦 Or join our online book club, where we deliver books to your door and a book club to your reading nook

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    Ep 66: Grief, Poetry and Starting Over: Courtney Peppernell on The Last Poem

    In this episode of Between The Lines, Chelle and Leanne chat with internationally bestselling author Courtney Peppernell about her latest novel The Last Poem - a moving story about grief, identity and the possibility of starting again. The novel follows Wren Paisley, a successful poet whose life is shattered by the sudden loss of her fiancée, Lucy. Overwhelmed by grief and public attention, she leaves everything behind and finds herself drawn to the small town of Everston, Colorado - a place where no one knows her and she can begin again. There, she quietly rebuilds her life. She changes her name, renovates an old Victorian house, and slowly becomes part of a local grief support group that centres around poetry. For the first time since her loss, she begins to feel a sense of connection — to the town, to the people around her, and possibly to a new kind of love. But as her past begins to catch up with her, she is forced to confront whether she can truly leave her old life behind. In our conversation with Courtney, we explore: How grief shapes identity and the process of starting over The role of poetry in healing and connection Why modern poetry resonates so deeply with readers today Writing in a way that feels accessible, emotional and real How Courtney's own readers influenced the creation of this story We also found ourselves completely drawn into the setting — and may or may not have added the town that inspired Everston, Colorado to our growing "to be visited" list. This is a heartfelt conversation about loss, healing and the quiet ways we begin again.   About the Author Courtney Peppernell is an internationally bestselling Australian author, best known for her Pillow Thoughts series and other works exploring love, healing and self-discovery. Her books have sold millions of copies worldwide and have been translated into multiple languages. Courtney lives on the South Coast of NSW and continues to create work that fosters connection, reflection and emotional healing.   Join Our Book-Loving Community Chelle and Leanne created Between The Lines because they love books and great conversations — and wanted to share both with you. 📚 Listen to the podcast for author interviews and reading inspiration 📦 Or join our online book club, where we deliver books to your door and a book club to your reading nook https://www.betweenthelinesaustralia.com/bookclub2026

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    Ep 65: Hormonal Harmony and it's impact on Health, with Sharon Kolkka

    How to Be Well: Finding Your Way Back to Energy, Balance and You with Sharon Kolkka In this episode of Between The Lines, Chelle and Leanne sit down with Australian wellness expert Sharon Kolkka to talk about her book How to Be Well, co-written with integrative medicine specialist Dr Karen Coates. This conversation is a gentle but powerful reminder that many women are living in a constant state of busyness — juggling work, family and endless to-do lists — while slowly becoming overwhelmed, exhausted and disconnected from their own wellbeing. How to Be Well offers a different way forward. Through a practical and compassionate approach, Sharon and Karen introduce a framework to help women better understand their current state of health, whether they are thriving, surviving or depleted, and what small, meaningful steps they can take to move towards greater energy, balance and resilience. In our conversation with Sharon, we explore: Why so many women are feeling overwhelmed and burnt out The signs that you may be running on empty (even if you've normalised it) The idea of assessing whether you are thriving, surviving or depleted The importance of emotional wellbeing alongside physical health A more holistic, realistic approach to self-care How small, consistent changes can support long-term wellbeing Sharon brings decades of experience in women's health and emotional wellbeing to this conversation, sharing insights in a way that feels both grounded and achievable. This episode is a thoughtful invitation to pause, reflect and consider what it might look like to take better care of yourself - not perfectly, but intentionally. If you've been feeling overtired, stretched too thin, or like your own needs have slipped to the bottom of the list, this conversation will resonate. About the Book How to Be Well is a practical and compassionate guide for women who want to improve their physical, mental and emotional wellbeing. Blending science with real-life strategies, the book introduces a five-pillared approach to wellness and a personal health audit to help you understand your current state and take steps towards greater energy, vitality and resilience. About the Author Sharon Kolkka is one of Australia's most trusted wellness experts, with over 40 years of experience in emotional wellbeing, stress resilience and women's hormonal health. She has worked as an executive leader in award-winning wellness retreats and has supported thousands of women through transformative health programs. Sharon is a highly regarded speaker known for making complex health information accessible, practical and empowering.   AND IF YOU LOVE DISCUSSING BOOKS: Join our bookclub here for insider author chats: https://www.betweenthelinesaustralia.com/bookclub2026

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    Ep 64: Meet Cute… or Murder? with Shailee Thompson

    In this conversation, we sit down with Shailee Thompson to talk about her novel How To Lose a Guy In Ten Dates.  It's a fabulous book unlike one you will have read before - a mix of Rom Com and Slasher, which will have you on the edge of your seat waiting for the potential kiss, and the next inevitable death. We discuss the heart behind her writing, the themes that shaped this book, and the deeper questions it asks about identity, relationships, and what it means to truly see yourself clearly. This is one of those episodes where we go beyond the plot. We talk about: The inspiration behind the story How personal experience shapes fiction The emotional undercurrents running through the book The complexity of relationships and self-discovery What readers might notice on a second read   Themes We Explore This episode touches on: Growth and change The tension between who we are and who we think we should be Vulnerability and courage The power of storytelling to help us understand ourselves If you love character-driven stories and conversations that dig into the "why" behind a book, you'll enjoy this one. A Few Standout Moments Shaylee sharing what first sparked the idea for the book The discussion around how characters develop beyond the original plan Reflections on what readers have connected with most The reminder that stories often reveal something back to us   Have you read the book yet? What did you notice about the characters? Did anything surprise you? We'd love to hear your thoughts.   AND IF YOU LOVE DISCUSSING BOOKS: Join our bookclub here for insider author chats: https://www.betweenthelinesaustralia.com/bookclub2026

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    BOOKCLUB SPECIAL: Someone Else's Child

    If you'd like to join our book discussions, you're always welcome inside the Between the Lines Book Club. The details are in the show notes.  Join us for the next chapter. You can join our bookclub here BOOKCLUB SPECIAL: Someone Else's Child with Kylie Orr Step into this thoughtful and engaging conversation as Chelle sits down with author Kylie Orr to talk about her debut novel Someone Else's Child and the long, winding road to becoming a published author. Together, they explore the heart of the novel, female friendship, community generosity, moral grey areas, and the emotional complexity that emerges when a child is unwell and a whole town rallies to help. Kylie reflects on empathy, boundaries, and how easily good intentions can become complicated. The conversation also touches on her second novel The 11th Floor, writing trauma with care, and the persistence required to keep going through years of rejection. You'll hear: How Someone Else's Child explores loyalty, power imbalance, and the limits of empathy Why community fundraising raises uncomfortable but important questions Kylie's seven-year journey from first draft to book deal What rejection taught her about resilience and backing herself How The 11th Floor differs in pace, structure, and psychological intensity Discussion prompt: This book asks us to reflect on generosity, trust, and judgement. When you donate or show up for someone in crisis, where do you think responsibility ends, and empathy begins? P.S. Someone Else's Child is a compelling read for anyone who loves slow-burn psychological fiction that asks hard questions about friendship, morality, and what we owe each other in moments of crisis.

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    Ep 58: Is This Still the Life I Want? Boogie Wonderland with Kate Halfpenny

    If you'd like to join our book discussions, you're always welcome inside the Between the Lines Book Club. The details are in the show notes.  Join us for the next chapter. You can join our bookclub here   Is This Still the Life I Want? Boogie Wonderland with Kate Halfpenny In this Between the Lines episode, we're talking about Boogie Wonderland — a novel that captures that very specific moment many of us remember all too well: COVID-19 upheaval, career burnout, relationship strain, and the quiet (or not so quiet) question of "Is this still the life I want?" Set against the backdrop of a sea change, Boogie Wonderland explores what happens when life feels out of control — and the pull to step away, reset, and start again. Kate Halfpenny writes beautifully about reinvention, midlife uncertainty, and the messy reality of relationships under pressure. We talk about: Why "starting over" is rarely neat or simple The emotional weight many people carried during COVID — even long after lockdowns ended How place, community, and slowing down can shift perspective The difference between running away and choosing change It's a thoughtful, relatable conversation — especially if you've ever fantasised about packing it all in and moving somewhere by the sea.

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    BOOKCLUB SPECIAL: Dear Digital We Need to Talk

    Dear Digital, We Need to Talk: Reclaiming Our Human Operating System with Dr. Kristy Goodwin In this insightful and energising conversation, Chelle and Leanne sit down with digital wellbeing expert Dr. Kristy Goodwin to unpack her book Dear Digital, We Need to Talk — a science-backed guide to navigating technology in a way that honours how our brains and bodies are actually designed to function. Drawing on neurobiology, peak-performance research, and years of working with high achievers, Kristy explains why so many of us feel constantly "switched on but powered down," and how small, realistic micro-habits can help us reclaim focus, energy, and calm in a digitally intense world. From the story behind the book's title, to understanding chronotypes, stress responses, and our ultradian rhythm, this episode is full of practical takeaways and laugh-out-loud moments (including tech glitches that prove the point). Whether you're an executive, a business owner, or someone simply tired of feeling overwhelmed by screens, this conversation will reshape the way you think about digital life. You'll hear: Why digital detoxes don't work — and what actually does How to align your tech habits with your human operating system The role of ultradian rhythms and why breaks boost—not hinder—productivity Simple strategies like physiological sighs, tech curfews, and 30-second eye resets Why connection, "white space," and tiny micro-habits are essential for wellbeing How walking, nature, and even shower thoughts restore creativity and reduce stress The gender wellbeing gap and why women are facing higher levels of digital burnout Discussion prompt: Kristy says big changes come from small hinges — tiny habits that support our biology. What's one micro-habit you want to try this week to feel more "powered up" in your digital life? Tell us on Instagram or in the book club.   P.S. Dear Digital, We Need to Talk is an incredibly accessible, practical, and compassionate read — perfect for anyone craving a healthier relationship with technology without giving it up.

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    BOOKCLUB SPECIAL: Cactus Pear for my Beloved By Samah Sabawi

    Stories We Inherit: Reading "Cactus Pear for My Beloved" by Samah Sabawi Step into this deeply moving conversation as Chelle and Leanne sit down with the book club to discuss Cactus Pear for My Beloved by Samar Sabawi — a poetic, powerful story born from exile, memory, and love. Drawing from her father's life and her own research on transgenerational trauma, Sabawi captures what it means to inherit both loss and hope across generations. In this episode, the group reflects on the book's unique structure — part memoir, part fiction — and how it bridges history with humanity. From learning about Palestine through a family's eyes to exploring how storytelling preserves identity, this is a tender, thought-provoking chat about heritage, empathy, and the power of listening. You'll hear: How Cactus Pear for My Beloved blends memoir, history, and imagination to honour a father's story Why reading about other cultures' histories helps us see our own family stories differently Thoughts on names, identity, and belonging in new lands The book's role as a gentle geography and history lesson — and a human one How stories can reconnect us with our parents, elders, and our shared pasts Discussion prompt: This book reminded us how easily family histories fade if we don't record them. Whose story in your life deserves to be written down? Tell us on Instagram or in the book club.   P.S Cactus Pear for My Beloved is a beautifully crafted read for anyone who loves stories that blur the line between memoir and fiction — full of compassion, history, and the enduring strength of family and homeland.

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    Ep 57: The Bookshop Detectives by Gareth & Louise Ward

    The Bookshop Detectives by Gareth & Louise Ward Step into the charming world of The Bookshop Detective with Chelle and Leanne as they chat with authors (and real-life couple) Louise and Gareth Ward — owners of Wardini Books in New Zealand and the creative minds behind the Tea and Cake and Death series. Blending their backgrounds as former UK police officers with their love of storytelling, they've created a cozy crime world where mystery meets heart, humour, and a touch of small-town chaos. In this episode, they share the real-life inspiration behind their beloved characters Garth, Eloise, and Stevie the dog, how their bookshop community became part of their fictional world, and what it's really like to write crime fiction with your spouse. You'll hear: How policing inspired their approach to plotting, clues, and keeping readers guessing The origins of their real-life Battle of the Book Clubs (and how it became a key scene in the books) Why cozy crime strikes the perfect balance between danger and delight What it's like to co-write a novel — chapter by chapter — without losing your marriage (or your sense of humour) The joy and chaos of running an independent bookshop that feels like family Discussion prompt: If you could set a cozy crime story anywhere, where would it be — and who would your unlikely detective be? Tell us on Instagram or in the book club! PS: Tea and Cake and Death is a deliciously witty read for anyone who loves small-town mysteries, quirky characters, and a touch of danger (served with a slice of cake).

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    Ep 56: The Introvert's Guide to Leaving the House: Real Talk on Social Anxiety, Self-Acceptance & Connection with Jenny Valentish

    The Introvert's Guide to Leaving the House: Real Talk on Social Anxiety, Self-Acceptance & Connection with Jenny Valentish Step into the quietly chaotic world of social survival with Chelle and Leanne as they chat with journalist and author Jenny Valentish about her brilliant and funny new book, The Introvert's Guide to Leaving the House. Written for introverts, "awkwards," "sociophobes," and everyone who's ever felt drained by small talk, Jenny's book is packed with real-life strategies, relatable stories, and a good dose of humour. In this episode, Jenny opens up about what it really means to live (and thrive) as an introvert in an extrovert's world—covering everything from practical "game plans" for social scenarios to the deeper roots of social reluctance, self-protection, and connection. You'll hear: How Jenny's own experiences with anxiety, addiction, and sobriety shaped the book Why introverts don't need to be "fixed"—just better equipped with their own strategies The difference between solitude and loneliness (and how to find your sweet spot) What "shoulder-to-shoulder" socialising is and why it's a game changer How social anxiety, ADHD, and neurodivergence overlap in unexpected ways Why "show up, then slip out early" might be your new party motto The surprising role of spirituality and ecstatic dance in her journey toward self-connection Jenny's take on humour, authenticity, and the power of books that find you at the right time Discussion prompt: Are you more of an introvert, extrovert—or a mix of both? What helps you recharge or feel more comfortable in social settings? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you've ever dreaded a party invite, overthought a phone call, or longed for deeper conversations, The Introvert's Guide to Leaving the House is your next must-read. Thoughtful, funny, and wonderfully validating—this one's for everyone who's ever said, "I'd rather stay home."

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    Ep 55: The Butterfly Women: Melbourne's Hidden Histories & Murder Mysteries with Madeleine Cleary

    The Butterfly Women: Melbourne's Hidden Histories & Murder Mysteries with Madeleine Cleary Step back in time with Chelle and Leanne as they chat with debut author Madeleine Cleary about her captivating historical novel, The Butterfly Women. Set in the shadowy streets of 1863 Melbourne, this story weaves together romance, drama, and a murder mystery—all through the eyes of two unforgettable women: Johanna Callahan, an Irish immigrant working in a brothel, and Harriet Gardner, a determined journalist on the hunt for a serial killer. Madeleine shares the wild ride of researching and writing her book (think: archives, family secrets, and a dash of footy-mum book clubs!), and what it means to shine a light on the complex, gritty, and often overlooked lives of women in 19th-century Australia. In this episode: The real-life family history that inspired The Butterfly Women—and how Madeleine's infamous ancestor became a character in her novel What it took to research Melbourne's notorious Little Lon district (spoiler: years of digging through archives and old newspapers!) The challenges and joys of balancing historical accuracy with page-turning storytelling How the book evolved from a quiet literary novel to a full-on murder mystery, complete with red herrings and footy-mum sleuths The power and agency of women—even in the toughest circumstances—and the entrepreneurial spirit of Melbourne's brothel keepers Madeleine's writing process, from train commutes to tight deadlines, and her advice for aspiring authors A sneak peek at Madeleine's next project, inspired by another family mystery Discussion prompt: What's your favourite historical fiction set in Australia, or a family story you wish someone would turn into a novel? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you love stories that blend real history, complex women, and a good old-fashioned whodunit, The Butterfly Women is a must-read. And keep an eye out for Madeleine's next book—she's just getting started!

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    Ep 54: How to Dodge Flying Sandals with Daniel Nour

    Join Chelle and Leanne as they sit down with debut memoirist Daniel Nour to discuss his sharp, funny, and deeply moving book, How to Dodge Flying Sandals. Part coming-of-age tale, part cultural reflection, Daniel's memoir captures what it's like to grow up queer, Egyptian, and Australian—all while navigating family expectations, church traditions, and the sometimes absurd challenge of figuring out who you are. With humor, honesty, and compassion, Daniel shares how writing his story helped him reconcile his own identity, forgive himself (and others), and carve out a space where he belongs. In this episode: The metaphor behind "dodging flying sandals"—and what it reveals about cultural discipline, expectations, and resilience How humor became Daniel's coping mechanism and storytelling superpower Balancing family love with personal authenticity, even when values clash Why representation matters, and how migrant voices challenge mainstream stereotypes in Australia The concept of "letting in" rather than "coming out" when it comes to sharing your true self Discussion prompt: What expectations have you had to "dodge" in order to become more fully yourself? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club—we'd love to hear your story. PS: If you enjoy memoirs that blend humor, identity, and heart, How to Dodge Flying Sandals is a must-read. And keep an ear out for Daniel—this is just the beginning of his storytelling journey.

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    Ep 53: By Her Hand: Marion Taffe on Finding Voice and Courage in a Violent World

    Episode: By Her Hand: Marion Taffe on Finding Voice and Courage in a Violent World What does it take for a young woman to find her voice in a world determined to silence her? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne sit down with debut author Marion Taffe to explore her powerful historical novel, By Her Hand. Set in the wild, windswept Peak District of Mercia in AD 910, the story follows Freda—a girl who dreams of writing, longs for her father's approval, and must navigate a world full of danger, loss, and impossible choices. Marion shares her journey from journalism to fiction, the six-year process of bringing Freda's story to life, and the inspiration she drew from Old English poetry and fierce women of history. This episode is a celebration of women's courage, the complexity of emotions, and the importance of breaking the rules to find your own voice—on the page and beyond. In this episode: The inspiration behind By Her Hand and the real historical women who helped shape Freda's character Marion's transition from a globe-trotting journalist to a debut novelist—and why fiction was her next big leap The painstaking research, rewrites, and pandemic pivots that shaped the novel (plus a cameo from Marion's kids learning medieval history at home!) How Marion balanced historical accuracy with vivid storytelling, from Old English poetry to the book's striking cover design by Sandy Cole The emotional journey of Freda: from fear and anger to courage and self-expression Why learning the rules—and then breaking them—is essential for writers and dreamers alike Marion's advice for anyone struggling to find their voice or push back against expectations   Discussion prompt: What's a "rule" you've had to break to be true to yourself? Or, which historical era would you love to see through the eyes of a fierce female character? Join us on Instagram or in the book club to share your thoughts!   PS: If you're drawn to stories of resilience, creativity, and women who fight for their place in the world, By Her Hand is a must-read. Let us know your favorite moments and what resonated with you most!

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    Ep 52: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women

    Between The Lines – Episode: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women What happens when three women—each with their own secrets, struggles, and cultural backgrounds—form an unlikely alliance over coffee, cocktails, and confessions? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne chat with Saman Shad about her bold, witty, and refreshingly honest novel, The Sex Lives of Married Women. Saman, a true "third culture kid," draws on her globe-spanning experiences to create characters who are as complex as they are relatable. Together, they explore the messy realities of marriage, motherhood, and friendship—plus the power of open, honest conversations about intimacy and pleasure. In this episode: The story behind The Sex Lives of Married Women and why Saman wanted to write about female friendship and vulnerability What it means to be a third culture kid—and how that shapes relationships, identity, and storytelling Navigating cultural dynamics in modern marriages and friendships The challenges (and importance!) of writing about sex, pleasure, and real intimacy in long-term relationships How modern communication tools like WhatsApp and LinkedIn make their way into fiction—and real life Why female friendships matter, and how honesty, humor, and support can get us through even the toughest times Saman's hopes for the book to inspire readers to have braver, more open conversations—about sex, relationships, and everything in between. Discussion prompt: Has a friendship ever helped you see your relationship or yourself in a new light? Or, what's a conversation you wish women could have more openly? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you're looking for a read that's equal parts hilarious, heartfelt, and honest, The Sex Lives of Married Women should be at the top of your pile. And if you love supporting Australian authors, grab a copy and pass it on!

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    Ep 51: Turning Toward the Tough Stuff: Dr. Emily Musgrove on Getting Unstuck

    Between The Lines – Episode: Unstuck with Dr. Emily Musgrove Ever feel like you're spinning your wheels—stuck in the same old patterns, wishing for change but not sure where to start? This episode is for you! 🎧 Leanne and Chelle sit down with Dr. Emily Musgrove, clinical psychologist and author of "Unstuck," to unpack practical, relatable strategies for moving through life's challenges (without the jargon!). Dr. Emily brings warmth, wisdom, and a refreshing honesty about what it really takes to live by your values—even when life gets messy. In this episode: Why pain is a universal part of being human—and how resisting it can keep us stuck How to use your values as a compass, not a checklist The real reason change feels so hard (spoiler: staying stuck can be even harder!) Parenting truths: breaking old patterns, repairing ruptures, and embracing imperfection The power of self-compassion, mindfulness, and making choices that align with what matters most Dr. Emily's own journey writing "Unstuck" and balancing life as a parent, professional, and author Whether you're a parent, a therapy-curious listener, or just someone looking for a little hope and practical wisdom, you'll walk away with new tools—and a reminder that you're not alone in the hard stuff. ✨ Discussion prompt: What's one value you want to live by more intentionally this week? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club!   Want more? Grab a copy of "Unstuck" and join our Between The Lines Book Club for ongoing conversations about books that move us—and help us move forward.

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    Ep 50: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers - John Boyne's Masterclass in Human Nature

    Between The Lines – Episode: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers Ever finish a book and just need to talk about it? Multiply that by four, and you'll get Chelle and Leanne's reaction to John Boyne's "The Elements" series! This week, our hosts dive into "Water," "Earth," "Fire," and "Air"—four compact but powerful novellas that weave together stories of crime, guilt, trauma, and redemption. Boyne's storytelling is masterful: each book stands alone but also connects into a larger, unforgettable tapestry of human experience. The characters—a mother on the run, a rising soccer star, a surgeon with secrets, and a father on a journey of transformation—are complex, flawed, and oh-so-relatable. The result? A reading experience that's both disturbing and deeply moving. In this episode: The unique structure of "The Elements" series and how each novella brings a new perspective Why Boyne's approach to responsibility and redemption feels so real (and sometimes hits a little too close to home) How the books challenge our ideas of good, bad, judgment, and compassion The emotional rollercoaster of connecting with characters who make questionable choices for all-too-human reasons Cliffhangers that will have you reaching for the next book (trust us: buy the whole set!) Why this series is one of Chelle and Leanne's top recommendations—and the kind of stories that linger long after the last page Discussion prompt: Which element—Water, Earth, Fire, or Air—pulled you in the most? Did you find yourself judging or empathizing with the characters? We'd love to hear your thoughts, reactions, and wildest theories—join the conversation on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you're ready for a binge-worthy, emotionally rich reading experience, grab all four novellas and let us know which one you couldn't put down. Spoiler chat is totally encouraged!

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    Ep 49: The Let Them Theory: Boundaries, Bold Claims & Being True to You

    Between The Lines – Episode: Let Them: Boundaries, Bold Claims & Being True to You Ever wish you could care a little less about what others think? This week, Chelle and Leanne dive into Mel Robbins' buzzy new book, "The Let Them Theory"—a guide that promises to free us from the weight of other people's opinions (and maybe even our own inner critic). But is it really that simple? Our hosts dig into the heart of the "Let Them" concept, exploring both its empowering message and the nuances that come with it—especially for women who are used to putting everyone else first. In this episode: What the "Let Them" theory is all about—and why it's taking over Instagram The good, the bold, and the controversial: from self-acceptance to plagiarism rumors Cultural differences—does "letting them" look different in Australia vs. the US? How to set boundaries without building walls (especially if you have a trauma history) Real talk about self-help claims: can two words really change your life? Chelle and Leanne's personal stories of trying out the "Let Them" mindset in everyday life Why the book might be extra helpful (or a little tricky) for women who carry the emotional load A little food for thought: Is "letting them" always the answer, or do some situations call for speaking up and staying connected? Chelle and Leanne don't shy away from the tough questions—and they want to hear your take!   ✨ Discussion prompt: When have you had to "let them"—and how did it feel? Share your story with us on Instagram!     PS: Got thoughts on Mel Robbins' other books, like "The Five Second Rule"? Or want us to invite her on the pod? Let us know—your feedback shapes our next reads and guest wish list!

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    Ep 48: The Stitch Up: Unpacking Kate Solly's Paradise Heights Tale

    Between The Lines – Episode: Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up with Kate Solly What happens when a mother of three, a missing charity store item, and a tight-knit Melbourne community collide? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne welcome back Kate Solly to chat about her latest novel, Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up—a story brimming with humor, heart, and a dash of mystery. Kate takes us behind the scenes of Fleck's world: a mum who feels invisible, yet uses that very invisibility as her detective superpower. Together, we explore how motherhood, neurodivergence, and community all shape Fleck's journey—and why the bonds between women matter more than ever. In this episode: Why feeling invisible as a mum can actually be an advantage (and a detective's secret weapon!) The joy and chaos of balancing writing with motherhood, and how everyday moments spark creativity Honest, positive representation of neurodivergence through Fleck and Trixie's friendship The importance of community, belonging, and the volunteers who keep the craft store running Real-life inspirations from Melbourne's suburbs and why setting matters in storytelling Kate's candid reflections on ADHD, writing routines, and the power of small steps Favorite moments, laugh-out-loud lines, and why "cahoots" might just be the best word ever Discussion prompt: Have you ever felt invisible—or unexpectedly powerful—in your own community? What's one small act of kindness or connection that made a difference for you? Share your story with us on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you love books that celebrate friendship, neurodivergent joy, and the magic of everyday life, Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up belongs on your TBR pile. Let us know your favorite character or moment—we love hearing from you!

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    Ep 47: Healing Through Words: Rachael Coopes on 'The Art of Forgiveness

    Guest: Rachael Coopes *Interviewed by Chelle Griffin* Episode Highlights: Introduction to Rachael Coopes: Award-winning actress, writer, and presenter known for her work on Australian television and theater Career Journey: Rachael discusses her path from early acting roles to becoming a multifaceted creative professional Writing Process: Insights into how Rachael approaches scriptwriting and storytelling across different mediums Industry Challenges: Honest conversation about navigating the entertainment industry and overcoming obstacles Current Projects: Discussion of Rachael's latest work and upcoming productions Creative Inspiration: Rachael shares what drives her creativity and where she finds inspiration Advice for Aspiring Creatives: Practical tips for those looking to break into acting and writing  

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    Ep 46: Five Seasons in Seoul: A Journey Through Culture and Connection with Christine Newell

    In this inspiring episode, we chat with author Christine Newell about her beautiful memoir, Five Seasons in Seoul, which chronicles her transformative year living and teaching in South Korea. Christine opens up about the personal challenges that led her to seek a fresh start, her deep cultural immersion, and the powerful impact of Korean traditions—especially the symbolic "five seasons" shaped by Yin and Yang philosophy. She shares how community, kindness, and resilience helped her find healing, purpose, and creative spark. We also explore the emotional journey of writing a memoir, the vulnerability of putting your story on the page, and the surprising ways her time in Seoul has shaped her life and career back in Australia. In this episode, you'll hear about: Why Christine went to South Korea—and how it changed her The meaning behind "Five Seasons" and how it shaped her year abroad Cultural rituals, food, and unexpected moments of connection Grief, growth, and resilience while living far from home The process of writing a memoir and what it's meant to readers Her love of Korean dramas, memoir recommendations, and what's next on her travel list Books Christine recommends: 📚 Breaking Badly by Georgie Dent 📚 True Friends by Patti Miller 📚 Bewildered by Laura Waters Where to find Christine's book: Five Seasons in Seoul is available at most bookstores and online.

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    Ep 45: Bridesmaids, Boundaries, and Being Yourself with Rachael Johns

    Episode Title: Rachael Johns: The Bad Bridesmaid and the Love of Books Guest: Rachael Johns, Australian Romance Author Key Highlights: Discussion of Rachael's latest book "The Bad Bridesmaid" Insights into her writing process and inspiration Exploration of her love for books and libraries Episode Breakdown: Book Overview Main character: Winnefren (Fred) Darling Setting: Norfolk Island Plot: Fred tries to stop her mother's sixth wedding Inspired by "The Parent Trap" movie concept Writing Journey Started writing at 17 Former English teacher Known as the "Undisputed Queen of Australian Women's Fiction" Book Series Connection Linked to previous book "The Other Bridget" Features characters from the library where Fred works Rachael's Book Club 6,500 members on Facebook Monthly book discussions Annual in-person retreats Focuses on supporting Australian and women writers Personal Insights Loves audiobooks Passionate about libraries and librarian representation Enjoys traveling to research book settings Recommended For: Romance readers, book lovers, fans of Australian fiction Contact/Follow: Website: RachaelJohns.com Facebook: Rachael Johns Book Club Book Club Retreat: rachaeljohnsbookclubretreat.com

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    Ep 44: Letting Go: A Deep Dive into Living Untethered by Michael A Singer

    Podcast Show Notes: Living Untethered with Michael A. Singer Episode Highlights: Book: Living Untethered: Beyond the Human Predicament Author: Michael A. Singer (New York Times bestselling author) Key Themes: Inner peace, self-realization, mindfulness, and personal growth Episode Overview: Hosts Leanne and Shel dive deep into Michael Singer's latest book, exploring profound insights about: Understanding the universe's complexity Separating oneself from thoughts Practicing meditation and awareness Accepting life's inherent suffering Techniques for personal transformation Notable Quotes: "Resistance creates tension and anxiety, and makes life a burden." "The Spirit can end up hiding in the head if living in the heart is too confronting." "All of life is suffering" - Buddha Practical Takeaways: Start with "low hanging fruit" when practicing letting go Use meditation to create distance from your thoughts Practice being present in the moment Recognize that external things don't define your happiness Recommended Companion Resource: The Untethered Soul Guided Journal: Practices to Journey Beyond Yourself Upcoming Book Club Selections: Current: The Bee Sting (Join by end of May) Next: Dear Digital, We Need to Talk Connect:  www.betweenthelinesaustralia.com

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    Ep 43: Rebels with Reading Glasses: Clare Pooley on Aging Disgracefully

    Podcast Episode: How to Age Disgracefully with Claire Pooley Guest: Claire Pooley, author of "How to Age Disgracefully", "The Authenticity Project", and "People on Platform Five" Episode Highlights: Discussion of Claire's latest novel "How to Age Disgracefully" Exploration of multi-generational connections and community Insights into writing, aging, and finding purpose Key Themes: Breaking stereotypes about aging The importance of community and human connection Humor as a tool for addressing challenging life experiences Book Recommendations: "Margot" by Ruthie Thorpe "The Wedding People" "What Does It Feel Like?" by Sophie Kinsella Claire's Writing Insights: Writes most creatively in early morning Believes in the power of a "triumphant second act" Passionate about challenging ageism and celebrating wisdom Memorable Quote: "Every woman should have a triumphant second act." About the Author: Claire Pooley is a former advertising professional who published her first novel at 50, celebrating diverse characters and unlikely communities in her writing.

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    Ep 42: Work, Travel, Thrive: Designing a Bleisure Life with Emma Lovell

    In this episode, Emma Lovell discusses her book "The Art of Pleasure" and shares insights on combining work, leisure, and self-care to create a fulfilling lifestyle. Key Highlights: Emma's philosophy of "pleasure life" - traveling the world, making money, and living life on your own terms Strategies for blending business and leisure Importance of work-life harmony over work-life balance Travel experiences and goals (76 countries visited) Practical tips for incorporating more pleasure into daily life Notable Quotes: "It's not about waiting until everything is perfect to live your dream life" "Pleasure is a mindset and a lifestyle, not just a destination" Guest Bio: Emma Lovell is an author, speaker, and coach specializing in helping people design lives that combine work, travel, and personal fulfillment. She has visited 76 countries and continues to explore the world while running her business. Upcoming Travel Plans: Central America trip European tour including Finland, Portugal, and potentially Bulgaria Panama Canal cruise Recommended for listeners interested in: Travel hacking Lifestyle design Work-life integration Personal development

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    Ep 41: Sisters in Grief: Navigating Loss and Love in Blue Sisters

    In this episode, Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into Blue Sisters by Coco Mellors - a raw, layered novel about estranged siblings reunited by grief. Following the death of their sister Nikki, Avery, Bonnie, and Lucky return to their childhood home and are forced to confront the complicated ties that bind them. Told from alternating perspectives, Blue Sisters explores themes of identity, sisterhood, and the legacy of family. Leanne and Chelle unpack the emotional weight of the book, share their thoughts on the characters' extreme lives and inner worlds, and reflect on how relatable the story may be for readers with (or without) sisters of their own. Despite mixed reviews from readers and book club members, both hosts recommend the novel for its compelling storytelling and honest look at love, loss, and healing. In this episode, you'll hear about: The power and complexity of sisterhood Each sister's unique journey—addiction, ambition, and grief Family roles, parental influence, and the burden of birth order Romance, resilience, and reinventing yourself after loss Why this book sparks mixed reactions—and why it's still worth the read Movie adaptation potential (and their dream cast picks!) 📖 Blue Sisters is a page-turner with emotional depth—perfect for fans of character-driven family dramas. Let us know what you think! Join the conversation on Instagram or in our online book club.

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    Ep 36: All that's left unsaid

    Unraveling "All That's Left Unsaid" with Tracey Lien Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Episode Overview: In this episode, Leanne and Chelle delve into "All That's Left Unsaid" by Tracey Lien, a poignant debut novel exploring themes of family, cultural identity, and the aftermath of tragedy. Set in 1996 Cabramatta, the story follows Ki Tran as she returns home to uncover the truth behind her brother's murder. The hosts discuss the book's exploration of Vietnamese Australian culture, the complexities of family obligations, and the struggle to reconcile past and present. Key Discussion Points: Introduction to Tracey Lien and the Book: Introduction of Tracey Lien's debut novel, "All That's Left Unsaid." Background on Tracey Lien, her upbringing in southwestern Sydney, and her career. Book Synopsis: Overview of the plot centered on Ki Tran's quest to understand her brother Denny's murder. The novel's setting in Cabramatta, highlighting the cultural and historical context. Themes and Cultural Exploration: The portrayal of Vietnamese Australian culture and the immigrant experience. Discussion on the cultural pressures and ideals faced by first-generation immigrants. Character Dynamics and Storytelling: Ki Tran's journey as she navigates family dynamics and cultural expectations. The novel's structure, alternating between Ki's perspective and those of the witnesses. Personal Reflections and Relatability: Chelle's personal connections to the Vietnamese Australian community and cultural nuances. Leanne's reflections on the nostalgia and cultural references from the 1990s. Mystery and Unraveling the Past: The book's mystery element as Ki seeks to uncover the truth behind her brother's death. Exploration of themes like guilt, responsibility, and the quest for meaning. Cultural Identity and Generational Tensions: The struggle between embracing new cultural identities and honoring traditional values. The impact of historical events on the characters' lives and choices. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts express their admiration for Tracey Lien's storytelling and cultural insights. Recommendation for readers interested in exploring diverse cultural narratives and family dynamics. Encouragement for listeners to read the book and engage with its themes.

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    Ep 34: Summer Reading Pile (for your TBR)

    Episode Title: Summer Reading Pile Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into their summer reading lists, sharing the books they're excited to explore in the coming months. They discuss both fiction and non-fiction selections, highlighting the themes and stories that have captured their interest. The conversation reflects the anticipation and joy of discovering new books and the shared experience of reading alongside their listeners. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Excitement for Summer Reading: Leanne and Chelle express their excitement for discussing their upcoming reads and the joy of having a "to be read" pile. Summer Book Club Selections: The hosts introduce the summer book club picks: "Bright Shining" by Julia Baird and "Cactus Pear for My Beloved" by Samah Sabawi, discussing the themes of grace and courage. Fiction Picks: Leanne shares her interest in "Juice" by Tim Winton and "The Other Bridget" by Rachel Johns, while Chelle highlights "Rapture" by Emily Maguire and "Wing" by Nikki Gemmell. Non-Fiction Picks: Leanne plans to read "You Don't Have to Have a Dream" by Tim Minchin, while Chelle chooses "The Art of Bleisure" by Emma Lovell and "Recipe Tin Eats: Tonight" by Nagi Mayashi. Discussion on Book Themes and Anticipation: The hosts reflect on the themes of their chosen books, such as environmental activism, personal growth, and the intertwining of pleasure and work. Book Club and Reading Community: Leanne and Chelle discuss the value of their book club community, the upcoming author interviews, and the joy of sharing reading experiences with others. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts encourage listeners to join their book club and consider gifting a membership for the holidays. They express their excitement for the upcoming reading season and the opportunity to connect with listeners through shared literary journeys. Closing Remarks: Leanne and Chelle thank their audience for tuning in, wish everyone happy holidays, and look forward to the discussions and discoveries that the summer reading pile will bring.

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    Ep 33: Mary Christmas to all!

    Episode Title: A Romantic Journey with "Mary Christmas" Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Guest: Mary Anne O'Connor Episode Overview: In this episode, Leanne and Chelle welcome Mary Anne O'Connor, author of "Mary Christmas," a romance novel set in 1909 in the picturesque Cotswolds. The story follows Mary Richards, a teacher torn between societal expectations and her career aspirations. Through the lens of love and family dynamics, the book explores themes of independence, the suffragette movement, and the courage to defy traditional gender roles. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Book Overview: Introduction of Mary Anne O'Connor and her book "Mary Christmas." Summary of the plot, highlighting Mary Richards' struggle between career and love as her sister Emily's wedding approaches. Mary Anne O'Connor's Background: Mary Anne's career in copywriting and marketing before transitioning to writing fiction and non-fiction. Her personal life in Northern Sydney and how her family influences her writing. Character Development and Historical Context: Discussion on the societal pressures faced by women in 1909 and the inspiration from Mary Anne's previous novel, "Sisters of Freedom." Emphasis on strong, independent female characters and the importance of career and independence. Transition to Writing Romance: Mary Anne's shift from historical fiction to romance, inspired by Christmas movies. The book's focus on a strong female lead and a kind, intellectual male character. Themes and Character Dynamics: Exploration of love and career choice themes, and the dynamics between Mary and Jonathan. Insights into Mary Anne's personal influences, including her family. Family and Romantic Elements: The emotional journey of Mary and her sister Emily, and the significance of family bonds. Personal anecdotes about Mary Anne's family and the influence of her mother. Historical and Modern Relevance: Discussion on the suffragette movement and ongoing gender equality challenges. Mary Anne's emphasis on supporting each other and challenging outdated gender roles. Romance and Real-Life Influences: The portrayal of genuine, thoughtful relationships in the book. The importance of mutual respect and support in romantic narratives. Emotional Impact and Reader Engagement: The book's aim to create an immersive experience through vivid descriptions of Christmas markets and bookshops. Strong, relatable characters that resonate with readers. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The book is available for purchase on Amazon and other platforms, making it a perfect Christmas gift. Mary Anne shares her pride in the book and hopes readers will connect with the characters. The episode concludes with gratitude for the discussion and a wish for a Merry Christmas to listeners. Resources Mentioned: Book: "Mary Christmas" by Mary Anne O'Connor Previous Work: "Sisters of Freedom" by Mary Anne O'Connor

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    Ep 32: The Courage to be Disliked

    Episode Title: Exploring "The Courage to Be Disliked" Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Episode Overview: In this episode, Leanne and Chelle dive into "The Courage to Be Disliked" by Fumitake Koga and Ichiro Kishimi. This book explores Alfred Adler's psychological theories, focusing on themes such as self-determination, social interest, and the courage to be disliked. The hosts discuss how past experiences shape us through the meanings we assign to them and highlight the concept of true happiness stemming from contributing to others. Key Discussion Points: Introduction to the Book: Leanne introduces "The Courage to Be Disliked," discussing its challenges and its foundation in Alfred Adler's psychology. Language and Respect: A conversation on the importance of language learning and respect, sparked by Leanne's experience with Japanese homework. Book's Premise and Style: The book's use of Adler's theories for personal growth and its conversational style, compared to "Conversations with God." Main Themes: Self-determination, social interest, and the courage to be disliked. The transient nature of relationships and contribution to happiness. Living for oneself and overcoming the tendency to please others. Practical Application: The significance of self-reflection and emotional work. The concept of horizontal relationships in parenting. Recommendations: Audiobook Suggestion: Leanne and Chelle recommend the audiobook version for its engaging conversational style. Further Reading: Interest in Fumitake Koga's other work, "The Courage to Be Happy." Final Thoughts: The hosts express their appreciation for the book's practical insights and invite listeners to share their thoughts and book recommendations.

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    Ep 31: The Last Love Note

    Navigating Grief and Hope with "The Last Love Note" Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Guest: Emma Grey Episode Overview: In this heartfelt episode, Leanne and Chelle welcome Emma Grey, author of "The Last Love Note." The book delves into themes of grief and loss, drawing from Emma's personal experiences of losing her daughter and husband. Through the story of Kate, a grieving mother, the book explores the duality of sorrow and humor, and the journey towards hope. Emma shares her writing process, the therapeutic power of storytelling, and the importance of community support in times of grief. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background of Emma Grey: Introduction of Emma Grey and her book "The Last Love Note." Emma discusses her personal journey through grief and the shared experiences of loss. Emma Grey's Writing Journey: The cathartic process of writing to understand and help others with their grief. Emma's background in writing, including young adult novels and non-fiction. Themes and Structure of "The Last Love Note": Overview of the plot, focusing on Kate's struggles with grief and her journey. The balance between grief and humor, with anecdotes from Emma's life. Grief, Humor, and Hope in the Book: Emma's insights on the coexistence of grief and humor. The importance of lifting readers with hope amidst the portrayal of loss. Accepting Help and Support: The role of community and accepting help during times of grief. Personal stories of unexpected support and the concept of paying it forward. The Role of Pop Culture and Nostalgia: How pop culture references add relatability and nostalgia to the book. The use of these references as anchor points to engage readers. A Day in the Life of Emma Grey: Emma's daily routine and her work on various projects. Her writing process, focusing on intense drafting and collaboration with editors. Connecting with Readers: Emma's love for audiobooks and the magic of storytelling. The importance of connecting with readers and the impact of her work. Balancing Grief and Parenting: The challenge of managing personal grief while parenting. Emma's journey of resilience and hope as she enters her 50s. Final Thoughts and Future Plans: Emma shares her excitement for her upcoming book and future projects. The hosts express their admiration for Emma and the profound impact of her book. A desire to have Emma back for future discussions and well wishes for her endeavors. Resources Mentioned: Book: "The Last Love Note" by Emma Grey  

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    Ep 30: Hannah Diviney lets herself in

    Episode Title: I'll Let Myself In Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into the powerful and inspiring book "I'll Let Myself In" by Hannah Diviney, a leading disability and women's rights advocate based in Sydney. Diviney, who has cerebral palsy, shares her journey of self-discovery and advocacy, shedding light on the lack of representation of disabled characters in mainstream media and the challenges faced by individuals with disabilities. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background: Leanne and Chelle introduce themselves, highlighting their professional backgrounds in child psychology and gestalt psychotherapy, respectively. They set the stage for discussing books that promote self-awareness, practical parenting, and understanding children. About Hannah Diviney: The hosts delve into Hannah's impressive achievements, including co-founding Missing Perspectives and advocating for a disabled Disney princess. Her book, "I'll Let Myself In," is praised for its defiant coming-of-age narrative and its call for representation and inclusion. Initial Impressions: Both hosts express admiration for Hannah's articulate and humorous writing style, discussing the importance of inclusive language and representation in media. Personal Experiences and Advocacy: The conversation covers Hannah's personal experiences with cerebral palsy, her determination to create her own representation, and her broader advocacy efforts. Challenges and Representation: Leanne and Chelle discuss the lack of disabled characters in mainstream media and the impact of representation on young people, emphasizing the need for awareness and education. Humor and Sensitivity: The hosts reflect on the evolution of humor and the importance of being mindful of the impact of words and actions. Calling Out and Awareness: They discuss Hannah's call-out of Lizzo for using ableist language, highlighting the role of advocates in raising awareness and modeling appropriate responses. Personal Reflections: Chelle shares a personal story about her daughter with cerebral palsy, underlining the emotional impact of ableist language and the importance of having a voice to address it. Hannah's Writing Style: The hosts appreciate Hannah's narration of her own book, adding a personal touch and enhancing the storytelling experience. Recommendations and Final Thoughts: Leanne and Chelle recommend "I'll Let Myself In" for its engaging narrative and its broader implications for understanding and inclusion, concluding with a call for more diverse perspectives in media.

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    Ep 29: Green light for Green Dot

    Episode Title: Green Dot Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin discuss "Green Dot" by Madeleine Gray, a book that delves into the complexities of adulthood and relationships. The story follows Hera, a 24-year-old moderating online comments, who enters an affair with a middle-aged journalist, Arthur. The book is praised for its dark humor, relatable characters, and well-written prose. Leanne and Chelle reflect on themes of infidelity, the allure of the unattainable, and the challenges of navigating relationships, while also discussing the importance of supporting friends without being overly judgmental. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Participant Backgrounds: Leanne introduces herself as a child psychologist specializing in neurodivergent children, and Chelle introduces herself as a gestalt psychotherapist and intuitive guide. They welcome listeners and introduce the book "Green Dot" by Madeleine Gray. Summary and Initial Impressions: Chelle provides a summary of the book, describing it as a darkly hilarious and deeply felt examination of adulthood and the 21st century. Both hosts appreciate the book's humor and relatability, particularly in its portrayal of young adulthood. Themes of Relatability and Age Gap: Leanne and Chelle discuss the book's themes, including the sense of awkwardness and the desire to fit in. They share personal anecdotes about workplace interactions and the awkwardness of young adulthood. Exploring the Theme of Infidelity: The hosts explore the book's portrayal of infidelity and the complexities of Hera and Arthur's relationship. They discuss the allure of the unattainable and the portrayal of age gaps and power dynamics. Friendship and Support in the Book: Leanne and Chelle discuss the role of Hera's friends and the importance of supporting friends without judgment. They emphasize creating a safe space for friends to express themselves and make their own decisions. Reflections on Parental Relationships: The hosts discuss Hera's relationship with her father, noting the emotional connection despite a lack of communication. They reflect on the search for meaningful connections and the voids in relationships. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: Leanne and Chelle express their enjoyment of the book and its punchy storytelling. They recommend "Green Dot" for its quick read and thoughtful exploration of modern dilemmas, inviting listeners to share their thoughts and connect on social media.

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    Ep 28: Ending Body Burnout

    Episode Title: Ending Body Burnout Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Guest: Philippa Bellette Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin are joined by Philippa Bellette to discuss her book "Ending Body Burnout," which explores the causes and solutions for body burnout in high-achieving women. Philippa emphasizes the importance of addressing stress, nutrition, sleep, movement, and mind health, highlighting the concept of a "stress bucket" and the need to balance recovery with stress reduction. She shares her personal journey and the stories of three fictional women to illustrate common health issues and solutions. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background: Leanne and Chelle introduce Philippa Bellette, co-founder of Chris and Philly Functional Medicine, and her book "Ending Body Burnout," which focuses on energy, mood, gut, and inflammatory issues, aiming to help high-achieving women restore their bodies without feeling restricted. Key Themes and Insights: The hosts discuss the importance of not aiming for perfection, with Philippa emphasizing unique dietary needs and the struggle with perfectionism. They highlight a statistic indicating work-life conflict among mothers and the breaking point leading to exhaustion. Personal Experiences and Stress Management: Philippa shares her personal experience of feeling like an 80-year-old in her late 20s and 30s, discussing the "stress bucket" concept and how stress manifests at home. Leanne and Chelle relate to stress accumulation and its impact on family life. Holistic Approach to Health: Philippa explains the book's balance between practical advice and scientific explanations, emphasizing addressing all aspects of the body for holistic health. The hosts appreciate the relatable stories and manageable health concepts. The Role of the Mind in Health: Philippa discusses unconscious core beliefs driving burnout, using her experience of feeling weak and incapable. The book helps readers reprogram these beliefs for a healthier mindset, addressing both physical and mental health. Practical Tools and Strategies: Philippa introduces "if-then" planning for anticipating health obstacles and emphasizes taking responsibility for health. Leanne and Chelle share experiences with sustainable health changes, focusing on minimum effort for maximum results. Recommended Resources and Final Thoughts: Philippa recommends influential books like "Body Keeps the Score" and "Deep Nutrition," and emphasizes reading novels for relaxation. She concludes by promoting her book and free resources on her website, encouraging exploration. Action Items: Explore the "Ending Body Burnout" assessment on Philippa's website. Check out recommended books such as "Body Keeps the Score" and "The Work" by Lizzie Williamson. Consider trying the vagus nerve toning exercise mentioned.

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    BONUS: Spring Reading Pile

    Spring Reading Pile – Embracing New Beginnings Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Episode Overview: In this bonus episode, Leanne and Chelle celebrate the arrival of spring by sharing their spring reading pile. They discuss the books they are excited to read over the next three months, reflecting on how the season of renewal and transformation inspires their literary choices. From personal development to engaging fiction, they explore a diverse range of books that promise to energize and inspire. Key Discussion Points: Welcoming Spring: The hosts express their gratitude for spring, a time of new beginnings and transformation. Discussion on the weather changes in Queensland and the feeling of renewal. Non-Fiction Picks: "One Life: How to Have the Life of Your Dreams" by Tina Tower: A guide to designing and achieving a fulfilling life, inspired by the author's positivity and passion. "Get Rich, Lucky Bitch" by Denise Duffield-Thomas: Focuses on releasing money blocks and living a first-class life, with insights on mindset and affirmations. "Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself" by Dr. Joe Dispenza: Explores the power of the mind to create new realities, combining quantum physics and neuroscience. "How to Be Well: A Handbook for Women" by Dr. Karen Coates and Sharon Kolkka: Discusses balancing busy lives with self-care, relevant to the hosts' current experiences. Fiction Picks: "A Thousand Wasted Sundays" by Victoria Vanstone: A memoir about binge drinking and anxiety, offering humor and insights into new beginnings. "When the Apricots Bloom" by Gina Wilkinson: A novel about friendship and motherhood under dictatorship in Baghdad, exploring themes of trust and sacrifice. "The Bee Sting" by Paul Murray: An epic Irish tragedy-comedy about the Barnes family's struggles, blending humor and poignant storytelling. "Every Time I Go on Vacation Someone Dies" by Catherine Mack: A mystery set on the Amalfi coast, described as "White Lotus meets Only Murders in the Building." Personal Reflections: The hosts share their reading habits and how they balance their busy lives with their love for books. Discussion on the joy of having an endless list of books to read and the privilege of being surrounded by literature. Final Thoughts: A celebration of the season and the excitement of diving into new books. Wishing listeners a happy and fulfilling spring.

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    Ep 27: Homecoming by Kate Morton

    Episode Title: Homecoming Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin explore Kate Morton's novel "Homecoming," an epic narrative that spans generations and delves into themes of motherhood, secrets, and the healing power of truth. Set in 1959 and the present day, the story follows Jess, a journalist investigating a cold case linked to her grandmother Nora's past. Leanne and Chelle discuss Morton's storytelling style, comparing it to works like "Playing Beatie Bow" and "Picnic at Hanging Rock," and praise the book's detailed character development and engaging mystery. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Participant Backgrounds: Leanne introduces herself as a child psychologist and mother of three, while Chelle introduces herself as a gestalt psychotherapist and intuitive guide. They welcome listeners and set the tone for discussing "Homecoming" by Kate Morton. Discussion on Kate Morton's Books: The hosts discuss their experiences with Morton's novels, including "The Lake House" and "The Clockmaker's Daughter," noting the timelessness and mystery elements. They compare Morton's works to other classic stories and appreciate the engaging nature of her lengthy books. Synopsis and Themes of "Homecoming": Leanne reads the synopsis, describing the murder mystery from 1959 and its connection to the present day. The book's exploration of motherhood, secrets, and truth is highlighted, along with its intergenerational impact on family dynamics. Character and Plot Dynamics: The hosts discuss various characters, such as Jess, Nora, Polly, and Isabelle, and the corrosive effects of secrets on relationships. They praise the detailed character development and the book's evocation of a sense of place that enhances the story. Reader Experiences and Recommendations: Leanne and Chelle share their reading experiences, including using the audiobook narrated by Claire Foy. They recommend other books by Kate Morton, such as "The Secret Keeper," and agree on "Homecoming's" appeal for fans of immersive reads. Conclusion and Final Thoughts: The hosts wrap up by expressing their enjoyment of the book and its themes of home and belonging. Leanne suggests "Homecoming" as a great summer read, and both hosts express appreciation for Kate Morton's storytelling.

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    Ep 26: No time Like The Future

    Episode Title: No Time Like the Future Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin delve into "No Time Like the Future" by Michael J. Fox, a poignant memoir about resilience and optimism in the face of Parkinson's disease. Diagnosed at 29, Fox has been a vocal advocate for Parkinson's and shares his journey through this new memoir, reflecting on challenges such as a fall that nearly shattered his optimism. Leanne and Chelle discuss the book's insights into the disease's impact, the importance of support, and the value of hope and gratitude, while also exploring the challenges of living with a chronic illness and the significance of understanding and empathy. Key Discussion Points: Introduction to the Book and Michael J. Fox's Background: Leanne introduces "No Time Like the Future," highlighting it as a moving account of resilience and hope by Michael J. Fox, who has been a strong advocate for Parkinson's disease. Personal Connections and Emotional Impact: Leanne shares a personal connection to Parkinson's through her dad, while Chelle emphasizes the emotional impact of the book and the value of understanding and support for those affected by the disease. Insights on Living with Parkinson's: The hosts discuss the challenges of living with Parkinson's, including frustrations and the desire to avoid being a burden, drawing parallels to experiences with other invisible disabilities. Key Takeaways and Personal Reflections: They highlight key takeaways from the book, such as hope, gratitude, and self-acceptance, and the importance of support networks and community in times of adversity. Michael J. Fox's Storytelling and Humor: Leanne praises Fox's storytelling and humor, noting the authenticity and representation of people with disabilities in media. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts emphasize the importance of naming the elephant in the room and fostering curiosity and understanding about Parkinson's, recommending the book for its empathy and insights. Conclusion: Leanne and Chelle conclude by reflecting on the lightness and humor in Fox's storytelling and the positive impact of the book. They encourage listeners to explore the memoir for its valuable perspective on resilience and understanding.

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    Ep 25: Lyrebird Ladies Choir sings Sandie Docker's praises

    Episode Title: The Lyrebird Lake Ladies Choir Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Guest: Sandie Docker Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin are joined by Australian author Sandie Docker to discuss her sixth book, "The Lyrebird Lake Ladies Choir," set to release on June 18. The novel centers on sisters Eleanor and Maggie, who run a choir, and single mom Hannah, who joins them. Sandie highlights themes of community, belonging, and motherhood, drawing from her own experiences. She also shares insights into her writing journey, including overcoming 200 rejections before her first book's publication in 2018, and her role as founder and director of the Northern Beaches Readers Festival. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background of Sandie Docker: Leanne introduces Sandie, discussing her background, love for reading, and transition to writing. Sandie shares her experiences balancing writing with family life and the release of her sixth book in six years. Sandie's Writing Journey and Achievements: Sandie talks about her first novel, "The CoCo Burrow Creek Cafe," and subsequent books. She discusses her role in the Northern Beaches Readers Festival and the supportive nature of the Australian writing community. Themes and Community in Sandie's Books: The hosts and Sandie explore themes of community, belonging, and hope in her books, influenced by her upbringing in Coffs Harbour. They discuss the importance of small towns and the connections between characters. Exploring Motherhood and Sacrifice: Sandie shares how her personal experiences as a mother influence her portrayal of motherhood, sacrifice, and determination in her books, emphasizing the search for belonging. The Role of Music and Choir in the Book: Sandie explains the therapeutic aspects of music and how the choir theme in "The Lyrebird Lake Ladies Choir" serves as a metaphor for community and support. Challenges and Determination in Writing: Sandie discusses the challenges of getting published, the importance of resilience, and how her persistence serves as a role model for her daughter. Future Plans and Writing Process: Sandie shares her current work on new book ideas, the fast-paced nature of writing and promoting, and the importance of finding balance in the writing process. Favorite Characters and Audiobooks: Sandie expresses her love for all her characters and discusses the casting process for audiobooks, sharing her enjoyment of audiobooks to keep up with reading. Conclusion and Final Thoughts: Leanne and Chelle wrap up the conversation, encouraging listeners to pre-order "The Lyrebird Lake Ladies Choir" and support local independent bookstores. Sandie confirms the availability of the audiobook edition on the same release day as the print and ebook versions. The hosts thank Sandie for joining them and wish her continued success with her book and future projects.

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Chelle and Leanne are avid readers, mothers, and both work therapeutically with families. We read the books, and share perspectives on how they can add value to your life.

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Leanne Tran & Chelle Griffin

Produced by Leanne Tran

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