Building Avolis

The Headless SaaS Era: Why Your Next 10,000 Customers Won't Have EyesThere's a software company you've never heard of doing nine figures this year. No marketing site. No login screen. No dashboard. Their customer isn't you — it's the AI agent working on your behalf.In this episode, John Abbitt (Founder of Avolis AI) makes the case that the biggest SaaS opportunity of the decade is already here, and almost nobody is building for it yet. Using what's actually shipped in the last six months — not predictions, reality — John breaks down the shift from human-facing software to agent-native infrastructure.What you'll learn:Why the 20-year SaaS playbook (login screens, onboarding flows, per-seat pricing) is already crackingHow Resend, Microsoft Fabric, Salesforce, and Stripe are quietly rebuilding their entire products for agents — not usersThe Machine Payments Protocol (MPP) and why HTTP 402 just became the most important status code in SaaSWhy MCP (Model Context Protocol) ended the infrastructure war before most founders noticed it startedThe 4-rule playbook for building (or retrofitting) a SaaS product in the agent eraThe one audit question every CEO should be asking every vendor at renewalWhether you're a founder deciding what to build next, an operator evaluating your stack, or a CEO trying to figure out which of your current vendors are about to become liabilities — this episode is the lens.Is your business AI-ready?Avolis AI helps mid-market companies audit their tech stack, score AI readiness, and identify which tools are agent-ready — and which are about to become liabilities. If you want the same lens John uses with clients applied to your business, visit www.avolis.ai to start the conversation.

Avolis (Avalon + Polis) is a company focused on the utopian outcome of AI. In this first episode we kick off the podcast with an overview, and then dive into the state of Agentic AI in April 2026.