Carter Wilson's Making It Up

"I’ve really been able to lean into that Southern Gothic with a touch of horror... It’s that concept of… is it a ghost or is it the guy? There is always that element in my books. Is it real, is it not real, is it an unreliable narrator having psychosis or is it truly something supernatural?" — Emily Carpenter Emily Carpenter, a former actor, producer, screenwriter, and behind-the-scenes soap opera assistant, was born and raised in Alabama. After graduating from Auburn University, she moved to New York City and now lives in Georgia with her family. She is the author of Amazon bestselling Burying the Honeysuckle Girls and The Weight of Lies.Among other things, Emily and Carter discuss Emily’s research on witchcraft and psychics for her novel, writing vague endings, and how a unique voice can elevate a generic plot. At the end of their conversation, they make up an intriguing story using a line from BJ Magnani’s We’ll Always Have Poison. 

“Writing is so personal. And when you're writing a character, things come out that I know most writers, including myself, are unaware of when they're writing it... they're writing about things you're trying to work out. It's so deeply personal if you're writing honestly.” — Jeffrey James Higgins Jeffrey James Higgins is a retired supervisory special agent who writes thrillers, short stories, creative nonfiction, and essays. He has wrestled a suicide bomber, fought the Taliban in combat, and chased terrorists across five continents. He received the Attorney General’s Award for Exceptional Heroism and the DEA Award of Valor. He’s appeared on CNN Declassified, National Geographic’s Narco Wars, and ABC News. Jeffrey is a #1 Amazon bestselling author who’s won the Claymore Award, PenCraft’s Best Fiction Book of the Year, and a Readers’ Favorite Gold Medal. Among other things, Jeffrey and Carter discuss their style of interviewing in their podcasts, overly descriptive writing, and balancing reader expectations with experimenting with genres. At the end of their conversation, they make up a funny story using a line from Cormac McCarthy’s The Passenger. 

“Almost anytime somebody gives you a generalization, there's about 17 other examples that break that rule. Some of the greatest books of all time break those rules.” — Dan Miller Daniel G. Miller is the USA Today bestselling author of the Orphanage By The Lake mystery-thriller series and the Tree of Knowledge adventure series. His books have been described as "irresistible" by thriller master James Patterson and as "a thrill ride with no seatbelt but what an incredible view," by Pulitzer Prize winner Junot Diaz. His novel, The Orphanage By The Lake, was selected as an Amazon Editor's Pick. His newest novel, Buried in the Woods Below, will be released in September 2026. Among other things, Dan and Carter discuss the business of self-publishing, writing effective violence, and giving readers credit for their imagination. At the end of their conversation, they make up a suspenseful story using a line from Lisa Matlin’s The Only One Who Knows. 

“I think that when you don't have an abundance of time, you cherish the time you have more. So that goes for my kids and for writing. I take it very seriously and I do cherish it. It doesn't feel like a job. It doesn't feel like work… But then the same with them, because I'm getting pulled in two different directions. I cherish the time when I can just focus on them more. I think it just helps me to be a better mom and a better writer.” — Marlee Bush Marlee Bush lives in Alabama with her husband and children. With degrees in Criminology and English, she’s obsessed with true crime and documentaries. Her favorite stories to tell are the kind that make you double check the locks on your door at night. When She Was Me is her debut novel, and her second novel Whispers of Dead Girls, came out last May. Among other things, Marlee and Carter discuss the identity shift that results from getting published, how Marlee started writing while working in a call center, and why making money from writing should not determine your status as a professional writer. At the end of their conversation, they make up a creepy story using a line from Elise Hart Kipness’s Dangerous Play. 

“I think people think that the first publishing contract is a windfall... But for most of us, it's the beginning of the story. All it is, is an open door to the writing life. And if you want to succeed... you're going to roll up your sleeves and get to work like everybody else who wants to do anything well in this life.” — Lisa Unger Lisa Unger is the New York Times and internationally bestselling author of twenty-three novels. Her critically acclaimed novels have been featured on “Best Book” lists from the Today Show, Good Morning America, Entertainment Weekly, and many others. She has been nominated for, or won, numerous awards including the Strand Critics, ITW Thriller, and Goodreads Choice. In 2019, she received two Edgar Award nominations in the same year. Her non-fiction has appeared in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and others. Lisa is the current co-President of the International Thriller Writers organization. Among other things, Lisa and Carter discuss pushing yourself out of your comfort zone by attending writing conferences, why increasing your own visibility is critical for both debut and legacy authors, and learning to let go when writing. At the end of their conversation, they make up an interesting story using a line from Chris Pavone’s The Doorman. 

“What I noticed was that I started writing stories and just doing things like, ‘oh, wait, when I write, I don't need other guys. And I don't need a sound man. And I don't need a stage. And I don't need gear.’ It was so nice to be able to make something without all the crap associated with it.” — Michael Kardos Michael Kardos is the author of the novels Fun City Heist, Bluff, Before He Finds Her, and The Three-Day Affair. His story collection Quick Change and One Last Good Time won the Mississippi Institute of Arts & Letters Award, and his short stories have appeared in many magazines and anthologies, and have won two Pushcart Prizes. He is also the author of The Art and Craft of Fiction: A Writer’s Guide, which is taught at universities across the country, and he co-directed the creative writing program at Mississippi State University for 15 years.Among other things, Michael and Carter discuss how Michael went from a career in music to getting his MFA, their thoughts on craft books for new writers, and feeling uneasy most of the time while you’re writing a book. At the end of their conversation, they make up a strange story using a line from Kristen Perrin’s How To Solve Your Own Murder. 

“What I’ve always been really focused on is trying to figure out what is it in any book—and it's different in different genres—that makes you keep turning the page. That's always been my goal: to get people to keep turning.” — Amy Meyerson Amy Meyerson is the acclaimed author of the internationally bestselling books The Bookshop of Yesterdays, The Imperfects, and The Love Scribe. Her books are frequently chosen for best-of lists, including lists from Good Morning America, People Magazine, Publishers Weekly, among others. Meyerson completed her graduate work in creative writing at the University of Southern California, where she now teaches in the writing department. Her new novel The Water Lies--her first work of psychological suspense--was released in January.Among other things, Amy and Carter discuss listening to audiobooks to improve your writing, using profanity selectively, and Amy’s shift to writing thrillers/psychological suspense novels. At the end of their conversation, they make up a fascinating story using a line from Stephen Graham Jones’s Mongrels. 

“The biggest thing you have to be able to do with someone is step back, leave your ego at the door and just really both have the same mindset of like, 'Hey, we're in business together... every decision we make has got to be for the readers.” — Ryan Steck  “I get excited every time he sends me new material, then I take over and I do a little bit and he reads it and he said, 'Oh my god, this is so good.' ... It's the new stuff that gets you excited even more often, because you discover what your partner is writing almost in real time. So it's really cool.” — Simon Gervais Ryan Steck is a freelance editor, an author, and the founder and editor in chief of The Real Book Spy. Ryan has been named an “Online Influencer” by Amazon and is a regular columnist at CrimeReads. Steck has “quickly established himself as the authority on mysteries and thrillers” (Author A.J. Tata) on his way to being endorsed by numerous #1 New York Times bestselling authors.Simon Gervais is a former Canadian federal agent specializing in protective operations and counterterrorism. He's the New York Times and #1 Amazon bestselling author of 17 exciting thrillers. His Clayton White series is presently being adapted for TV by CBS Studios with Jerry Bruckheimer TV attached to produce. The Second Son, which was co-written with Ryan Steck, spent two consecutive months in the Kindle top 100 overall bestsellers. Among other things, Ryan, Simon, and Carter discuss their different views on the outlining process, how their distinct writing voices come together when co-writing, and how Simon writes in his second language. At the end of their conversation, they make up a dark story using a line from Matt Goldman’s The Murder Show. 

“From the time that I started publishing, my goal was to be able to do it full-time... it took 10 years to get there, but you know, slow and steady wins the race.”— Jen J. Danna After over thirty years in infectious diseases research, Jen hung up her lab coat to concentrate on writing thrillers. She is the coauthor of the Abbott and Lowell Forensic Mysteries with Ann Vanderlaan, a series of suspenseful crime fiction with a realistic scientific edge. As Sara Driscoll, she writes the FBI K-9s thriller series, starring search-and-rescue team Meg Jennings and her black lab, Hawk. She also writes the NYPD Negotiators series. The first of her new standalone thrillers, ECHOES OF MEMORY, released in 2024. Among other things, Jen and Carter discuss how Jen writes 3 books a year, AI in the writing industry, and Jen’s decision to re-edit five of her old novels. At the end of their conversation, they make up a descriptive story using a line from John Jakes’s Love and War. 

“I figured out at some point along the way that I was happier trying and failing than I was not trying at all.” — Clémence Michallon Clémence Michallon is an author and a journalist. Her debut thriller The Quiet Tenant was published in June 2023 and is an international bestseller. Her thriller Our Last Resort came out in July 2025. She was a staff writer at The Independent for five years, and is now a freelance journalist. Her work has appeared in The New York Times Book Review, Time Magazine, Cosmopolitan UK, and more. Clémence graduated from Sciences Po in Paris. She studied journalism at City University of London and received a master’s in Journalism from Columbia University. Among other things, Clémence and Carter discuss forcing yourself to be bored to spark creativity, the benefits of having training in journalism, and why they never write the words “The End.” At the end of their conversation, they make up a creepy story using a line from Tana French’s The Searcher. 

“You want to bond with the reader, you know? And you want to take the reader and basically say to the reader, I'm about to tell you a story now. You're not gonna believe this, but bear with me, okay? And once you've established trust with the reader, you can go pretty far.” — Joseph Finder Joseph Finder is the New York Times bestselling author of 17 suspense novels. His books have won numerous awards, including the Strand Critics Award for Best Novel, the International Thriller Writers Award for Best Novel and the Barry Award for Best Thriller. The Boston Globe has called him a “master of the modern thriller.”  Two of his novels have been made into major motion pictures, including High Crimes, adapted into the hit 2002 movie starring Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman; and Paranoia, the 2013 film starring Harrison Ford, Gary Oldman, and Liam Hemsworth. Among other things, Joe and Carter discuss writing about what you want to know, how changes in the publishing industry have made things harder for debut authors, and getting blurbed by Stephen King. At the end of their conversation, they make up a tense story using a line from Stephen King’s Just After Sunset. 

“I've loved the actual act of writing. You know, I meet a lot of people who wanna be writers. I meet very few who wanna write. I always wanted to write.” — Gregg Hurwitz Gregg Hurwitz is the New York Times #1 internationally bestselling author of 27 thrillers including the Orphan X series. His novels have won numerous literary awards and have been published in 33 languages. Gregg currently serves as the Co-President of International Thriller Writers (ITW). Additionally, he’s written screenplays and television scripts for many of the major studios and networks and is an award-winning documentary producer. Gregg has also written comics for AWA, DC, and Marvel. He's penned dozens of op eds and pieces for The Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, and others. He also helped write the opening ceremony of the 2022 World Cup.Among other things, Gregg and Carter discuss viewing writing as a compulsion, Gregg’s experiences getting published while in college, and learning who to trust when receiving critique and feedback. At the end of their conversation, they make up a suspenseful story using a line from Joseph Heller’s Catch-22. 

Episode 212 of Making It Up is out and features Wendy Walker, the bestselling author of psychological thrillers including Don’t Look for Me, The Night Before, and All Is Not Forgotten, as well as multiple Audible Originals. Her latest book, Blade, draws from her past as a competitive figure skater and marks a personal and creative turning point in her career. Before writing full-time, Wendy practiced law and raised her three sons.Among other things, Wendy and I discuss what it means to finally write the story that’s been living inside you for years, how immersive storytelling is changing the audiobook landscape, and why hiring help as an author isn’t a luxury—it’s a strategy. We also talk about vulnerability in creative marketing, the balance of truth and fiction, and how her latest work came together in a blur of sound design, stress, and storytelling. At the end of our conversation, we create a story about furries using a sentence from a Karin Slaughter novel. 

“If you're not exploring, if you're not really kind of pushing limits, then you really have to ask yourself, well, what am I doing here? Like, this isn't accounting, you know what I mean? It's creative writing.” —Matthew Sullivan Matthew Sullivan is the author of Midnight at the Bright Ideas Bookstore, an Indie Next Pick, B&N Discover pick, a GoodReads Choice Award finalist, and winner of the Colorado Book Award. He received his MFA from the University of Idaho and has been a resident writer at Yaddo, Centrum, and the Vermont Studio Center. His short stories have been awarded the Robert Olen Butler Fiction Prize and the Florida Review Editors' Award for Fiction. His writing has been featured in the New York Times Modern Love column and The Daily Beast, amongst others. Among other things, Matthew and Carter discuss alcohol and writing, writing weird and unconventional novels, and how the unpredictability of success as an author makes you a better writer. At the end of their conversation, they make up a menacing story using a line from Abbott Kahler’s Where You End.

“Writer’s block is a myth. It’s your brain lying to you. Chefs don’t have chef’s block.” —Tod Goldberg Tod Goldberg is a New York Times bestselling author of sixteen books, including the Gangsterland quartet, which have won/been a finalist for the Hammett Prize, the International Thriller of the Year and many more. His short fiction and essays appear widely and have been selected in Best American Mystery & Suspense and Best American Essays. He is a Professor of Creative Writing at the University of California, Riverside where he founded and directs the Low Residency MFA in Creative Writing & Writing for the Performing Arts. Among other things, Tod and Carter discuss coming from a family of writers, observations from running a MFA program, and writing from a place of absurdity rather than darkness. At the end of their conversation, they make up a hilarious story using a line from Stephen King’s Everything’s Eventual.

“I’ve just always been drawn to dark stuff. I’m really fascinated by why people do the things that they do—particularly bad things.” —Jennifer Fawcett Jennifer Fawcett is an author, actor, and playwright. She grew up in Canada and spent many years in theatre there before moving to the US. She has an MFA from the Iowa Playwrights Workshop and was a founding member of Working Group Theatre. Her work has been produced in regional theaters across the US and UK. Her play Apples in Winter won the National New Play Network Smith Prize and the Susan Glaspell Award. She has written two novels, including Beneath the Stairs and Keep This for Me.Among other things, Jennifer and Carter discuss making professional connections with other authors, maintaining a relationship with your editor, and advocating for yourself to your publishing team. At the end of their conversation, they make up a descriptive story using a line from Audrey Lee’s The Mechanics of Memory. 

“The idea that you could be at the whim of something as mercurial as a muse doesn’t work if you also have to show up for a job and a family and kids.” —Danielle Girard Danielle Girard is the USA Today and Amazon #1 bestselling author of sixteen novels. Her books have won the Barry Award, the Romantic Times Reviewers’ Choice Award, and more. In addition, two of her titles have been optioned for screen. Her next thriller, Pinky Swear, will be on February 24, 2026. Danielle is also the creator and host of the Killer Women podcast, where she interviews the women who write today’s best crime fiction. Among other things, Danielle and Carter discuss writing first-person present tense, Danielle going back to get her MFA after four published books, and the challenge with writing characters who are demographically different from you. At the end of their conversation, they make up a mysterious story using a line from Wendy Walker’s Blade. 

“You're really investing in yourself. And when I actually do get a check, I'm like—wait, I got paid for this one?” —Courtney Psak Courtney Psak is the author of two novels, and her third, The Hostess, is being released in April 2026. She graduated with a degree in Communications and Journalism with a master’s degree in Publishing. She is a member of the Crime Writers' Association, International Thriller Writers, Sisters in Crime and a board member for the Mystery Writers of America.Among other things, Courtney and Carter discuss Courtney’s detailed outlining and writing process, having a UK publisher, and how mother-in-laws make great unreliable narrators. At the end of their conversation, they make up a gripping story using a line from Chris Pavone’s The Doorman. 

“Don’t wait for chapter five to be good. Be good immediately.” —Chris Pavone Chris Pavone is an international thriller author whose novels include THE EXPATS, winner of both the Edgar and Anthony Awards; the instant bestseller TWO NIGHTS IN LISBON; and THE DOORMAN, a New York Times Notable Book of 2025. His novels have appeared on all the major bestseller lists and have won or been shortlisted for Edgar, Anthony, Strand, Macavity, and ThrillerFest awards, among others. Chris worked in publishing for nearly two decades and ghost-wrote a couple of nonfiction books. Among other things, Chris and Carter discuss working in publishing in New York City in the early 90s, why the first page of your manuscript is so important, and how a move to Luxembourg inspired Chris’s first novel. At the end of their conversation, they make up an emotional story using a line from Jeffrey Konvitz’s The Circus of Satan. 

“(The CIA) redacted my height and weight. I kid you not—they redacted the color of the sky.” —I.S. Berry I.S. Berry spent six years as an operations officer for the CIA, serving in wartime Baghdad and elsewhere. She has lived and worked throughout Europe and the Middle East, including two years in Bahrain during the Arab Spring. I.S. Berry is a member of the Mystery Writers of America, International Thriller Writers, International Association of Crime Writers, and the Association of Former Intelligence Officers. Among other things, Carter and I.S. discuss I.S. 's experiences with foreign affairs and her path to the CIA, writing a memoir to make sense of her experiences, and playing around with pacing and action in your novels. At the end of their conversation, they make up a suspenseful story using a line from Wendy Walker’s Blade. 

“He’s psychotic, you know. That really messed me up… but I think it was good to do—to delve into what is the point of view of someone who’s psychotic.” – Kika Dorsey Kika Dorsey is an author and an English lecturer at the University of Colorado, Boulder. While finishing her Ph.D. in Comparative Literature, she performed her poetry with musicians and artists. She currently writes and publishes fiction and ghostwrites fiction and nonfiction books and articles. Her poems have been published in The Denver Quarterly and The Columbia Review, among numerous others. She is the author of four poetry collections and has won the Colorado Authors’ League Award. Among other things, Kika and Carter discuss the reality of making money as an author, writing unreliable narrators, and why it can be so challenging to get an agent nowadays. At the end of their conversation, they make up a beautiful story using a line from Angie Kim’s Happiness Falls. 

“I wrote the first book to try and give my mother comfort and closure. But halfway through, I realized—I wasn't just telling her story anymore. I was telling mine.” – Casey Sherman Casey Sherman is a New York Times Bestselling Author of 13 books including The Finest Hours (now a major motion picture starring Casey Affleck & Chris Pine), Boston Strong (the basis for the film Patriots Day starring Mark Wahlberg), Animal & Hunting Whitey. Sherman is a contributing writer for TIME, Esquire, Washington Post, Boston Herald and Boston Magazine and has appeared as a guest an analyst on more than 100 television news programs. Among other things, Casey and Carter discuss Casey’s personal inspiration behind his decades-long investigation into the Boston Strangler case, his approach to investigative journalism for his non-fiction works, and his involvement in Peacock’s recent documentary on the Boston Strangler. At the end of their conversation, they make up a fascinating story using a line from Ben Macintyre’s Operation Mincemeat. 

“Is it a good idea that I write in both horror and spy thrillers? No. I think it’s a crap idea. But Hollywood really loves the spy stories.” —Alma Katsu Alma Katsu is a NYT bestselling author whose books have been nominated for and won multiple awards including the Stoker, Goodreads Readers Choice, and International Thriller Writers, among others, and appeared on numerous Best Books lists. She has over 30 years’ experience as an intelligence professional at CIA and NSA, and has written two spy novels. The Hunger was named one of NPR’s 100 favorite horror stories and was on numerous Best Books of the Year lists. Her first book, The Taker, was named one of the top ten debut novels of 2011 by Booklist. Among other things, Alma and Carter discuss the pre-publication review process within the CIA, writing in two different genres, and having your book optioned for film/TV. At the end of their conversation, they make up a fast-paced story using a line from Carlene O’Connor’s You Have Gone Too Far. 

“You’re trying to beat on these doors in the publishing world… and suddenly this door you didn’t even know was there opens up and says, ‘Hey, come in.’” —Andrew Bourelle Andrew Bourelle is the critically-acclaimed author of Shot Clock, 48 Hours to Kill, and Heavy Metal, as well as a coauthor with James Patterson of the Rory Yates series. Publishers Weekly described him as “a writer to watch”. He teaches creative writing at the University of New Mexico. Among other things, Andrew and Carter discuss referencing cinema and tv when teaching writing, why you should always be working on your next project, and working with James Patterson. At the end of their conversation, they make up a suspenseful story using a line from C.J. Box’s Battle Mountain. 

“The whole concept of working together started when we were in a writer's room—a Hollywood production company writer's room—and we learned how to create cliffhangers.”  – Christina Baker Kline Christina Baker Kline is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of ten novels, including Orphan Train, The Exiles, Please Don’t Lie (with Anne Burt), and the forthcoming The Foursome (May 2026). Published in more than 40 countries, her novels have received the New England Prize for Fiction, the Maine Literary Award, and a Barnes & Noble Discover Award, among others. Anne Burt is the coauthor of the thriller Please Don't Lie. Anne’s debut novel, The Dig, was an American Booksellers' Association Indie Next pick and the Strand Bookstore's mystery selection of the month. Her essays and fiction have appeared in numerous publications including Salon and NPR, and she is a past winner of Meridian’s Editors’ Prize in Fiction. Among other things, Christina, Anne, and Carter discuss how their friendship and writing relationship formed, trying to write with a unified voice in a co-authored novel, and balancing thriller “tropes” with realistic plots. At the end of their conversation, they make up a descriptive story using a line from Wendy Walker’s Blade. 

“Readers are giving you such a huge gift—and the gift is their time. So I always feel like to be respectful of that time, I have to be providing them with the best quality book I can.” —Cynthia Swanson Cynthia Swanson is the New York Times and USA Today bestselling author of the psychological suspense novels The Bookseller, The Glass Forest, and Anyone But Her. Cynthia was named 2025 Indie Author of the Year by the Indie Author Project, has received the Colorado Book Award and the WILLA Literary Award, and won the Indie Author Project contest. She is also the editor of the Colorado Book Award winning anthology Denver Noir. Among other things, Cynthia and Carter discuss taking up writing later in life, Cynthia’s journey to self-publishing, and committing to writing a ghost story. At the end of their conversation, they make up a creepy story using a line from Jacqueline Winspear’s The Comfort of Ghosts. 

“I got one life. What do I want to leave behind? And I decided a failed writer was better than a successful attorney.” —Elena Taylor Elena Taylor spent several years working in theater as a playwright, director, designer, and educator before turning to fiction. Her first series, the Eddie Shoes Mysteries, introduced a quirky mother/daughter crime fighting duo. With the Sheriff Bet Rivers Mysteries, Elena returns to her dramatic roots and brings readers much more serious and atmospheric novels. Elena is also a senior editor with Allegory Editing, where she works one-on-one with writers to shape and polish manuscripts, short stories, and plays.Among other things, Elena and Carter discuss Elena’s path to becoming a playwright, the role of atmosphere in thrillers, and overcoming comparison within the writing community. At the end of their conversation, they make up an incredible story using a line from Mailan Doquan’s Ceylon Sapphires. 

“I wrote 90 pages about the most boring man in the world. He drove around, got coffee, thought about life... and after six months, I killed him and buried him in a desk drawer.” —Harry Hunsicker Harry Hunsicker spent his working career as a commercial real estate appraiser. His first novel was the Shamus Award nominated Still River, about a Dallas PI with the unfortunate name of Lee Henry Oswald. Hunsicker has since written and published eight more crime thrillers, including The Life and Death of Rose Doucette, which was recently nominated for a 2025 Thriller Award. Hunsicker also writes screenplays. His short script—the PG13 titled (S)hit Squad, was produced in 2022 and has garnered a number of awards including Best Screenplay by the Twin Lakes Film Festival. Among other things, Harry and Carter discuss Harry getting inspiration from his own bookshelves, the art of sending query letters, and receiving Thriller award nominations. At the end of their conversation, they make up a gripping story using a line from Jennifer Chase’s Count Their Graves.

“The muse days and the slog days look the same on the page, but they feel completely different when you’re writing them.” —Aime Austin Aime Austin is the author of the Casey Cort and Nicole Long legal thriller series, weaving sharp social commentary into gripping crime fiction. Born in Brooklyn, Aime graduated from Smith College and Cornell Law School before practicing family and criminal law in Cleveland, Ohio. She now splits her time between Los Angeles and Budapest, writing thrillers, hosting the podcast A Time to Thrill, and interviewing brilliant women creators. Aime is a 2025 Mystery Writers of America Barbara Neely Scholarship recipient.Among other things, Aime and Carter discuss Aime’s experiences doing “stringer” work for newspapers, fearing losing momentum in your writing, and attracting new readers as your fanbase ages. At the end of their conversation, they make up a dark story using a line from Tess Gerritson’s The Summer Guests. 

“Don’t be afraid of the fact that pretty much every first draft is a failure. Just get the thing out.” —Scott Graham Scott Graham is the author of the National Park Mystery Series, which includes nine books and counting. In addition to his mysteries, Scott is the author of five nonfiction books, including Extreme Kids, winner of the National Outdoor Book Award. Scott is an avid outdoorsman and advocate for public lands. He has worked as a newspaper reporter, magazine editor, radio disk jockey, city councilor, and coal-shoveling fireman on the steam-powered Durango-Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad.Among other things, Scott and Carter discuss staying relevant between book releases, improving your writing by reading others’, and balancing the reality of murder with hopeful storylines. At the end of their conversation, they make up an unpredictable story using a line from Matt Goldman’s The Murder Show. 

“Nothing guarantees anything. A breakout book doesn’t mean your next one won’t flop—and that’s just the reality.”—Andrea Bartz Andrea Bartz is a reporter, consultant, and New York Times bestselling author. Her third novel, WE WERE NEVER HERE, was a Reese’s Book Club pick and an instant New York Times bestseller; it was optioned by Berlanti Productions and Netflix. Her most recent thriller, THE LAST FERRY OUT, was praised by NPR’s Fresh Air, Marie Claire, Publishers Weekly, and more. She is also a journalist whose work has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, Vogue, Cosmopolitan, The New York Times, and many other outlets, and she’s held editorial positions at Glamour, Psychology Today, and Self.Among other things, Andrea and Carter discuss thinking like a businessperson to make it as a writer, separating your emotions from feedback on your writing, and engaging with readers to show gratitude. At the end of their conversation, they make up a brilliant story using a line from Victoria Houson’s At the Edge of the Woods. 

“I always say that both horror and romance are genres of hope.” —Lindy Ryan Lindy Ryan is an award-winning author, anthologist, and short-film director whose books and anthologies have received starred reviews from Publishers Weekly, Booklist and Library Journal. She was named a Publishers Weekly Star Watch Honoree in 2020, and in 2022, she was named one of horror's most masterful anthology curators. Ryan founded Black Spot Books, a specialty press focused on amplifying women's voices in horror. She is an award-winning professor at Rutgers University. Among other things, Lindy and Carter discuss their love of Halloween, losing perspective of how dark their writing is, and emphasizing the importance of consequences in writing. At the end of their conversation, they make up a quick story using a line from Gillian Flynn’s Sharp Objects. 

"The only way your journey ends is if you stop trying—and I wasn’t done." —Jeffrey Konvitz Jeffrey Konvitz is the author of the New York Times bestseller The Sentinel. He also wrote its bestselling sequel, The Guardian, and a third bestselling novel Monster: A Tale of Loch Ness. Konvitz is an entertainment attorney, screenwriter and producer. In the 1980s and 90s, he became one of the top independent production executives in Hollywood, where he still resides to this day. ​Among other things, Jeffrey and Carter discuss changing career paths last minute, writing about the Irish mob, and Jeffrey creating his own publishing company to print the book he had been writing for 25 years. At the end of their conversation, they make up a supernatural story using a line from Greg Isles’s True Evil. 

It is the 200th episode of Making It Up!“Every huge risk I’ve ever taken has led to another step toward what I always wanted to do with my life.” – Michelle Jabès Corpora Michelle Jabès Corpora received her Bachelor's Degree in English and Theatre from UMBC, then went on to earn a Master's degree in Children's Literature from Hollins University. She has been a wedding singer, has worked in a vet's office, and at a wildlife rehabilitation center. She moved to New York and worked as an assistant editor at Greenwillow Books, and then a concept creator for a book packaging company. She was a ghostwriter for a world-famous middle-grade mystery series, writing her first five novels in that series. Among other things, Michelle and Carter discuss moving from ghost writing to writing your own novels, the benefits of taking time to earn your success, and balancing staying true to yourself while accepting criticism. At the end of their conversation, they make up a descriptive story using a line from Michelle’s newest novel His Face is the Sun. 

“The best form of marketing is just producing more work—because you never know when the next idea will catch fire.” —Joe Hart Joe Hart is the Edgar Award-winning and Wall Street Journal-bestselling author of seventeen novels, dozens of short stories, and several novellas. His work has been translated into eight languages and optioned for film. His latest novel, WYNDCLYFFE, was just released earlier this month. Among other things, Joe and Carter discuss the importance of word-of-mouth for book sales, why dark thrillers have been so successful lately, and writing strong protagonists who aren’t boring. At the end of their conversation, they make up a suspenseful story using a line from Karen Slaughter’s This Is Why We Lied. 

“The desire was always there, but the drive wasn’t. I allowed other things to interfere instead of saying, ‘This is something you really want to do.’" —Dwayne Goetzel Dwayne Goetzel is a lawyer who specializes in trademarks, domain names, copyrights, licensing, and litigation relating to those fields. He is an attorney, father, writer, and someone who’s navigated several career choices. He has written nine novels. Among other things, Dwayne and Carter discuss continuing writing during publishing struggles, the value of being a part of the writing community before being published, and copyright as it relates to authors. At the end of their conversation, they make up an unpredictable story using a line from Mark Bowden’s Black Hawk Down. 

“It was the craziest overnight five-year success story ever.” —Leigh Dunlap Leigh Dunlap went to film school at the University of Southern California to study screenwriting, which led her to a job selling socks at Fred Segal and eventually to an assistant’s desk at a Hollywood talent agency. That’s where she really learned how to write—while reading hundreds of scripts sent in for actors. Her first screenplay, A Cinderella Story, with Hilary Duff, was made by Warner Brothers. Since then, Leigh has written two other movies (The Standoff and 16-Love) that were produced. Bless Your Heart is her debut novel.Among other things, Leigh and Carter discuss gaining experience by working at a talent agency, changes in writing during the pandemic, and writing scripts versus novels. At the end of their conversation, they make up a brief story using a line from Michelle Jabes Corpora’s His Face is the Sun. 

“I don’t know what it’s about until it’s done—and sometimes it’s on a shelf before I realize what certain things mean.”  – Lori Roy Lori Roy’s debut novel, Bent Road, was awarded the Edgar Allan Poe Award for Best First Novel by an American Author. Her work has been twice named a New York Times Notable Crime Book. Until She Comes Home was a New York Times Editors’ Choice. Let Me Die in His Footsteps received the 2016 Edgar Allan Poe Award for Best Novel, making Roy the first woman to receive an Edgar Award for both Best First Novel and Best Novel—and the third person to have done so. Gone Too Long was named a People magazine Book of the Week, and Lori was featured as an Inspired Woman by J Jill and Oprah Magazine. Among other things, Carter and Lori discuss doing research to capture the accuracy of your setting, the benefits of maintaining social media presence, and interacting with readers in person. At the end of their conversation, they make up a great story using a line from Jess Lourey’s The Reaping. 

Robert Bailey is the Wall Street Journal bestselling author of THE BOOMERANG, the Jason Rich series, the McMurtrie and Drake legal thrillers, the Bocephus Haynes series, and the inspirational novel, THE GOLFER’S CAROL. Robert’s novels draw inspiration from his decades as a civil defense trial lawyer in his hometown of Huntsville, Alabama. Robert obtained a Bachelor of Arts in History from Davidson College in North Carolina, and went to law school at the University of Alabama. Among other things, Robert and Carter discuss learning to trust your editor, working as a lawyer while writing full time, and publishing struggles even after having published several novels, . At the end of their conversation, they make up a creative story using a line from Karen Slaughter’s This Is Why We Lied.

“There are no shortcuts, right? It doesn't matter what you're writing—you just have to do it.”  — Mailan Doquang Mailan Doquang is an architectural historian turned thriller writer. Mailan received her Ph.D. from the Institute of Fine Arts, New York University. She has published extensively on the art and architecture of medieval France, in addition to teaching at some of the top universities in North America. Her debut novel is BLOOD RUBIES.Among other things, Mailan and Carter discuss Mailan’s transition from academia to writing fiction, learning to cut unnecessary words, and the imposter syndrome that emerges at writing conferences. At the end of their conversation, they make up a descriptive story using a line from Stephen King’s Desperation. 

"The only way your journey in publishing ends is if you stop trying."  – Kaira Rouda Kaira Rouda is a USA TODAY, Amazon #1 and international bestselling author. She has worked in marketing, real estate, and other career fields, including being the society columnist for the Columbus Dispatch for ten years. Kaira’s work has been translated into more than a dozen languages. Three of her novels have been named Amazon Editor’s Picks, and her novels have won several awards, including Suspense Magazine’s Best Book of 2021 Award. Among other things, Kaira and Carter discuss setting your novels in the suburbs, writing accurate portrayals of teenagers, and learning how to be proud of yourself and celebrating your victories. At the end of their conversation, they make up a twisted story using a line from Martin Edwards’ The House on Graveyard Lane. 

"I just don’t buy into the whole failure thing—you either succeed or you learn."  – Laura ResauLaura Resau is the author of The Alchemy of Flowers, her debut novel for adults, and eleven acclaimed books for young people. Her books have won five Colorado Book Awards and spots on “best-of” booklists from Oprah, the American Library Association, and more. Trilingual, she’s lived in Provence and Oaxaca, and studied cultural anthropology and languages. She teaches graduate creative writing at Western Colorado University.Among other things, Laura and Carter discuss how cultural curiosity sparks imagination, naiveté when finding an agent and editor, and navigating the realms of children’s/teen fiction and adult fiction. At the end of their conversation, they make up a tense story using a line from Ali Land’s Good Me Bad Me. 

“I got 26 rejections, and I’d kind of given up. Then Simon & Schuster gave me a three-book deal. And I thought, oh, this is awesome—then, oh shit, I have to write the other two.”  – Bryan GruleyBryan Gruley is the award-winning, critically acclaimed author of the forthcoming thriller BITTERFROST. Gruley is also the author of the Starvation Lake trilogy, the first book of which was nominated for an Edgar Award and won Anthony, Barry, and Strand awards. A journalist for over forty years, Gruley shared in The Wall Street Journal’s Pulitzer Prize for coverage of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and has won numerous awards for his nonfiction. Among other things, Bryan and Carter discuss designing merchandise for your novels, having “something to say” in your writing, and building suspense by creating questions and leaving them unanswered. At the end of their conversation, they make up an intense story using a line from Karin Slaughter’s This Is Why We Lied. 

“Writing it was like chipping away at a mountain with a pair of nail scissors.”  —Ellen Birkett Morris Ellen Birkett Morris is the author of Beware the Tall Grass, winner of the Donald L. Jordan Award for Literary Excellence. She is also the author of Lost Girls: Short Stories, winner of the Pencraft Award and finalist for the Clara Johnson, IAN and Best Book awards. Her fiction has appeared in Shenandoah, Antioch Review, Saturday Evening Post, among other journals. She is a winner of the Bevel Summers Prize for short fiction, and a recipient of an Al Smith Fellowship from the Kentucky Arts Council.Among other things, Ellen and Carter discuss the transition from writing poetry to novels, supporting other writers within the writing community, and maximizing dramatic potential in individual scenes. At the end of their conversation, they make up a descriptive story using a line from Ayn Rand’s We the Living. 

“Not that my work is superior to Rear Window, but I thought—what’s more interesting than a broken leg? A broken mind.”  —A.J. Finn A. J. Finn is the author of The Woman in the Window, the #1 internationally-bestselling phenomenon published in more than forty languages and adapted for the screen as a film starring Amy Adams, Gary Oldman, and Julianne Moore. His second novel, End of Story, was released in February 2024.Among other things, A. J. and Carter discuss how previously working in publishing influenced A. J.’s writing journey, reasons behind adopting a pseudonym, and A. J.’s experience being at the top of the New York Times Best Seller list. At the end of their conversation, they make up a mysterious story using a line from Jeffrey Konvitz’s The Circus of Satan. 

“If I'm going out to sea, I'm doing it in a ship I built, not in the piece of crap they want me to build."  – Matt Goldman quoting Jerry Seinfeld Matt Goldman is a New York Times Bestselling author and Emmy Award winning television writer.  He has been nominated for the Shamus Award and Nero Award. Matt's television writing credits include Seinfeld, Ellen, The New Adventures of Old Christine, and Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.Among other things, Matt and Carter discuss the writing behind stand-up comedy versus the performance of it, staying true to vision and voice while writing for Seinfeld, and learning brevity. At the end of their conversation, they make up a beautiful and detailed story using a line from Cormac McCarthy’s The Passenger. 

“The best part of writing that first, terrible book was realizing I could write a book. That changed everything.”  – Joshua Moehling Joshua Moehling is the USA Today bestselling author of the Ben Packard series. The first book, AND THERE HE KEPT HER, was a Barnes & Noble monthly Mystery/Thriller pick and a finalist for the Lambda Literary Award for Best LGBTQ+ Mystery. His second novel, WHERE THE DEAD SLEEP, was described as “a well-paced whodunit” and “devastating” by The New York Times. Among other things, Carter and Joshua discuss authors that grew up as army brats, the utility of critique groups, and the transition from a full-time job to writing full-time. At the end of their conversation, they make up a dark story using a line from Stephen King’s Pet Sematary. 

"Two simple words—'what if'—can create thousands of novels."  – Traci AbramsonTraci Hunter Abramson was born in Arizona, and after graduating from Brigham Young University, she worked for the Central Intelligence Agency, eventually resigning in order to raise her family. She recently retired after twenty-six years coaching her local high school swim team. She has written forty-five best-selling novels and is an eight-time Whitney Award winner, including 2017 and 2019 Best Novel of the Year.Among other things, Traci and Carter discuss how Traci’s background in the CIA influenced her writing, treating writing as a job versus as a hobby, and Traci’s experiences with the CIA’s review board when writing her novels. At the end of their conversation, they make up a mysterious story using a line from Lee Goldberg’s Dream Town. 

Cynthia Pelayo is a Bram Stoker Award winning and International Latino Book Award winning author and poet. She is the first Latina in history to win a Bram Stoker Award. Pelayo writes fairy tales that blend genre and explore concepts of grief, mourning, and cycles of violence. She is the author of Loteria, Santa Muerte, The Missing, Poems of My Night, Into the Forest and All the Way Through, Children of Chicago, Crime Scene, and more.Among other things, Cynthia and Carter discuss having a day job while writing, their approaches to social media, and writing fairy tales versus novels grounded in reality. At the end of their conversation, they make up a clever story using a line from Mindy Mejia’s A World of Hurt. 

Bob Johnson is an award-winning short story writer and graduate of the lowa Writers’ Workshop. His work has been published by The Common, Philadelphia Stories, Vol. 1 Brooklyn, The Barcelona Review, and elsewhere. His story "The Continental Divide" was named Short Story of the Year in The Hudson Review. Among other things, Bob and Carter discuss growing up with undiagnosed ADD, writing without thinking of the odds of getting published, and getting reviewed by the New York Times. At the end of their conversation, they make up a fast-paced story using a line from Sean Eads’ Seventeen Stitches.