Chalk and Code

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Jill Foley speaks with Allie Fuchs, Vice President of Product at Pathful, about how technology can bridge the gap between classroom learning and the real world of work.Drawing on her experience as a former physics and algebra teacher and special education administrator in New Orleans, and later as a product leader at companies like Nearpod and Clever. Allie shares how Pathful is building tools that help students explore careers, develop relevant skills, and prepare for life after graduation.Together, they discuss the growing urgency around career readiness, why exposure to real professionals is critical for students, and how Pathful’s platform connects career exploration, work-based learning, and workforce preparation into a single ecosystem for districts.If you’re interested in how schools can help students make more informed career decisions and how edtech can support authentic learning experiences, this episode offers valuable insights into what it takes to prepare students for the future of work.Key Moments3:25 "Comprehensive Career Readiness Plan"07:44 "Pathful: Bridging Industry and Education"10:26 Realistic Career Insights and Tools14:34 Thriving Wage Research for Students16:45 "Career Skills Through Real Experience"21:56 "Pathful Reporting and Insights"26:08 AI Enhancing Career Readiness31:00 Career Readiness Product Strategy32:22 Early Career Readiness Matters36:36 AI Career Platform for HoustonWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode explores how career readiness technology can help students move beyond abstract career ideas toward practical, informed decision-making.You’ll hear how Pathful is combining career exploration, financial literacy, work-based learning, and real industry connections to give students a clearer view of their future.Allie also shares:Why students need exposure to careers long before graduationHow the Lifestyle Calculator helps students understand real financial outcomesThe importance of authentic career simulations before internshipsHow schools can use career data to better plan programs and pathwaysWhy equity in career readiness starts with access to real experiencesConnect with Allie FuchsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandra-fuchs-5a773b65 Pathful: https://www.pathful.com/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Gilberto Pinzon, CEO and co-founder of Edu1st, to explore what it really means to transform a classroom into a thinking culture. A former surgeon turned education leader, Gilberto shares the story behind the VESS model (Vida, Equilibrio, Sentido, y Sabiduria) and why he and his co-founder, Ana Maria Fernandez, set out to redesign schooling around curiosity, metacognition, character, and purposeful learning.Together, they unpack the shift from memorizing content to building understanding, how teachers evolve from lecturers to learning facilitators, and why cultural transformation in schools requires a multi-year commitment, not a one-time workshop.From the promise and risks of AI in education to the real-world challenges schools face today (teacher shortages, shifting demographics, and rising competition), this conversation offers a grounded look at where learning is headed, and what we must protect as technology accelerates.Key Moments03:30 Rethinking Education for Balance08:44 "Curiosity: The Essence of Learning"10:08 "Fostering Curiosity for Lifelong Learning"14:11 "Fostering Curiosity-Driven Learning"18:05 "Understanding Success as a Process"21:08 "Assessing Progress Through Cultural Forces"24:23 "Personalized Learning Through Technology"28:55 "Human Development vs. Technology"31:34 "Concerns About Rapid Technology Impact"34:48 Cognitive Decline and Technology Concerns40:31 Preschool Industry Challenges in Florida43:39 "AI's Impact and Challenges"44:57 "Proactive Tech for Civilization's Future"Why You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode challenges a familiar assumption: that education improves simply by adding more content, more testing, or more tools.You will hear how Edu1st is helping schools build cultures of thinking where students ask better questions, learn how they learn, and develop the character needed to navigate real-life complexity.Gilberto also shares:How VESS reframes education around purpose and balanceWhy curiosity is the engine of lifelong learningWhat “documentation” reveals about student thinking and growthHow AI can support learning and what risks we cannot ignoreWhy the future demands we become “more human,” not lessConnect with Gilberto PinzonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gilbertopinzonedu1st/ Edu1st: https://edu1stvess.com/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Jennilee Bertrand sits down with Jamie Forrest, Co-Founder and CTO of CourseMojo, to explore what it takes to build responsible AI for real classrooms.Jamie shares how his background in AI engineering at Apple (Siri), his early experience teaching in Harlem, and the realities of COVID learning for his own kids shaped a clear philosophy: technology should support people, not the other way around.Together, they unpack CourseMojo’s decision to keep AI mostly “behind the scenes,” how the platform helps students who are afraid to raise their hands get the support they need, and the systems CourseMojo uses to protect student privacy at scale — including never sending personally identifiable information to third-party AI models.Key Moments04:39 "Discovering Vellum in 2025"09:27 "Technology Serving People, Not Vice Versa"11:19 "AI Enhances, Not Replaces Teaching"16:47 "LLMs in Education: Challenges Persist"19:36 Interactive Teaching Worksheets Software22:51 "Empowering 'I Don't Know'"26:04 Enhancing Real-Time Teacher Insights30:11 Student Data Privacy Commitment32:39 "Ensuring AI Compliance with Laws"36:14 LLMs Enhancing Education Analysis38:13 "Using AI Intentionally for Good"Why You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode gets specific about what “responsible AI” looks like in practice — not as a slogan, but as product choices teachers can feel.You’ll hear how CourseMojo:Keeps teachers at the center by designing AI to support real classroom routinesHelps students build confidence without public embarrassmentUses AI to surface actionable insights (grouping, discussion prompts, struggle spots)Treats privacy as a core engineering principle, not an afterthoughtStays realistic about hallucinations, misuse, and the need for AI literacyConnect with Jamie ForrestLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamieforrest/ Website: https://www.coursemojo.com/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-inc Company Website: https://flexion.us/ If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk & Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis, sits down with Joe Cotter, Founder in Residence at Teaching Channel, to explore what it really takes to support teachers in a changing education landscape. A former middle school social studies teacher, Joe shares how his frustration with traditional continuing education led to the creation of Learners Edge, which grew into the largest direct-to-teacher continuing education company in the United States.Joe unpacks the early days of building teacher-centered learning experiences before online learning became mainstream, and why practical application, energy, and relevance matter more than tests and papers. He also shares how the organization evolved through acquisitions into a broader ecosystem now known as K12 Coalition, with the Teaching Channel at the center of teacher development, coaching, and video-based learning.If you're curious about what teachers actually need from professional learning, how education companies can build strong culture while scaling, and how AI will shape teaching without replacing the human connection at its core, this conversation is a must-listen.Key Moments03:09 Building an Education Powerhouse09:28 "Understanding Teachers and Their Needs"13:57 "Meeting Teachers' Evolving Needs"18:33 Hiring Challenges and Leadership Lessons20:28 "Building Trust and Leadership"24:46 "Pivoting and Supporting Transition"28:14 "Staffing, Vision, and Responsibility"29:37 Empathy in Leadership Decisions35:57 Igniting Passion for Teaching38:34 Alternative Certification for Teachers41:48 "AI Instructors: Passion vs. Human Touch"45:06 "Teaching: From Expert to Facilitator"Why You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode is a grounded, founder-level look at what teacher support should actually mean—especially in a time when teacher retention is one of the biggest challenges in education. You’ll hear how Joe Cotter built professional learning around classroom realities, and why the future of edtech depends on strengthening the human systems that keep great teachers in the profession.Joe also shares:Why professional learning works best when it’s practical, applied, and classroom-readyHow mission and culture shape hiring, growth, and long-term impactWhy teachers are facilitators and coaches now, not just “information deliverers”How AI can support learning without replacing the human heart of teachingConnect with Joe CotterLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-cotter-5b309714/Website: https://www.teachingchannel.com/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Jennilee Bertrand sits down with Leonard Lafrance, President and CEO of NCLab, a Nevada-based company rethinking online vocational education for data analysts, Python programmers, and automation technicians. At a time when most online courses struggle with single-digit completion rates, NCLab stands out with nearly 100% learner completion and graduates who are genuinely job-ready.Leonard shares how his background in software and entrepreneurship revealed a critical gap between credentials and real skills, and why traditional lecture-based learning often fails learners. At NCLab, he champions a radically different approach grounded in learning by doing real-time feedback, and gamified progression that builds confidence one skill at a time.If you’re curious about why most online learning doesn’t stick, how vocational education can close the workforce readiness gap, and what it truly means to prepare people for work in a rapidly changing economy, this conversation is a must-listen.Key Moments02:51 Principles behind long-term learner motivation05:33 "Active Learning Over Passive Consumption"07:36 "Challenges of Online Learning"12:52 "AI-Assisted Problem-Solving Approach"14:19 "Scalable Online Training Empowering Women"19:59 "Gamified Learning and Engagement"21:10 "Transformative Learning System Petitioned"24:04 "Employment Readiness Assessment Tool"Why You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode challenges long-held assumptions about online learning and workforce preparation. You’ll hear how Leonard Lafrance has built a model that prioritizes skill mastery over seat time, and why confidence, feedback, and perseverance matter more than lectures or credentials alone.Leonard also shares:Why completion rates skyrocket when learning feels like problem-solving, not studyingHow gamification and real-time feedback change learner mindsetWhat employers actually look for beyond resumes and degreesWhy vocational education is becoming central to the future of workConnect with Leonard LafranceLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leonard-lafrance-710349b5 Website: https://nclab.comConnect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-inc Company Website: https://flexion.us/ If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Christopher Psiaki, Chief Technology Officer of Topia Interactive, to explore how spatial media and real-time communication can make online learning feel more humanTopia is a cloud-based spatial media platform where participants move through persistent, customizable worlds, and connect through proximity-based audio and video. Christopher shares how his background in software development and game-inspired world-building shaped Topia’s technical direction, and why human connection remains central to the platform’s design.The conversation covers what makes spatial communication different from traditional video calls, how Topia supports virtual classrooms and large-group instruction, and how K–12 safety, moderation, and access controls are built into district and partner implementations. Christopher also discusses the emerging creator economy for educators, the importance of scalable infrastructure, and the real questions edtech teams must solve as AI becomes part of learning environments.Key Moments01:10 Christopher’s path into software and startups05:46 Real-time spatial communication, explained07:57 Broadcasting, screen sharing, and running large sessions10:57 Designing for K–12 safety, privacy, and moderation13:41 What implementation looks like with virtual schooling partners15:39 SchoolSpace for districts, and how it differs18:05 LMS integrations, LTI 1.3, and chaperone mode21:06 Engagement without building an attention economy24:29 Unexpected student behaviors, and what they reveal27:59 Belonging, social connection, and student motivation32:09 Teacher-created worlds and sharing at scale36:16 Challenges ahead, cost, scale, and AI41:03 AI-driven historical NPCs, guardrails, and multiplayer context44:36 What edtech should talk more about, human connectionWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis conversation is a grounded look at what it takes to build virtual learning spaces that feel natural, engaging, and safe. If you’re thinking about community, student motivation, synchronous learning, or what AI could look like inside interactive environments, this episode offers a practical view from the technical leadership side.Connect with Christopher PsiakiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-psiaki-41275b15Website: https://topia.io/Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-inc Company Website: https://flexion.us/ If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Jill Foley sits down with Kiera Peltz, Founder and CEO of The Coding School, to explore how happiness economics, equity, and emerging technology education are deeply connected.Kiera shares her journey from studying happiness at Brown to launching The Coding School from her college dorm room at 19, driven by a belief that access to technical skills is foundational to agency and wellbeing. She reflects on global perspectives gained in China, early validation from school leaders, and the urgency she felt to rethink how and when students are introduced to computer science.Throughout the conversation, Kiera unpacks what equity looks like in practice, from high-touch retention strategies to designing programs that work for students learning on mobile devices. She also shares how bold experimentation led to scaling quantum computing and AI education, partnerships with IBM, and earning a $3M Department of Defense grant. The episode closes with a forward-looking view of why depth, not just awareness, is essential in preparing students for a rapidly evolving future.Key Moments01:08 What happiness economics is and why it matters04:29 Education, skill-building, and control over one’s future06:13 Global perspectives and the urgency to act early09:16 Early validation from a school principal10:11 The Coding School’s access-focused program model13:38 Equity at scale, funding, and retention through human connection19:06 Dropout patterns and shifting from in-person to online learning24:27 Introducing quantum computing and pushing past skepticism26:57 Scaling during the pandemic with IBM30:32 Turning outcomes into a $3M Department of Defense grant32:17 Designing for mobile learners and listening with humility37:35 What’s next for The Coding School and emerging tech education42:58 Why tech literacy matters for every future path44:57 “It’s not on the students, it’s on us.”Why You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode reframes emerging technology education as a human-centered endeavor. Kiera makes a compelling case that rigorous STEM learning can and should be accessible to every student, and that retention, personalization, and humility are essential parts of equity.Kiera also shares:Why STEM fluency is a pathway to happiness and agencyHow retention can be an equity strategyWhat it takes to teach complex topics like quantum computing at scaleWhy “intro-only” exposure to AI and emerging tech isn’t enoughConnect with Kiera PeltzLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kierapeltzThe Coding School : https://blog.the-cs.org/Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Dr. Nathan Thompson, Chief Executive Officer of Assessment Systems Corporation, to explore how assessment science is evolving in an era shaped by AI, adaptive testing, and increasing demands for integrity and personalization.Dr. Thompson explains what psychometrics really is, why it underpins high-quality assessment, and how computerized adaptive testing works in practice. The conversation dives into how AI is changing item development, test security, and cheating detection, and why human expertise is still essential even as automation advances.With more than two decades in the assessment industry, Dr. Thompson shares how Assessment Systems Corporation helps organizations modernize testing, from certification and licensure to large-scale educational and workforce assessments.Key Moments01:03 Meet Nathan Thompson and the work of ASC02:36 What psychometrics is, and why it matters04:14 Computerized adaptive testing explained06:17 What score changes really mean, and why “small gains” can mislead08:10 Assessment literacy, and interpreting results responsibly11:08 What ASC does, and what “full service” assessment support looks like32:16 Cheating, new item types, and test forensics34:37 Detecting disengagement and response-time effort41:17 Micro-credentials, digital badges, and the future of skills validation44:26 What’s next for assessment over the next 5–10 years46:34 Why personalization is coming back in a big way48:01 How to connect with NathanWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis conversation offers a clear look at what’s behind modern assessments, and why the future of testing will depend on both smarter technology and stronger guardrails. If you’re building learning products, designing credentials, or relying on test data to make decisions, Nathan’s perspective helps connect psychometrics, adaptive testing, and AI into a practical, real-world view of where assessment is headed.Connect with Nathan ThompsonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanthompsonascWebsite: https://assess.com/Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-inc Company Website: https://flexion.us/ If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Dr. Johannes Ziegler, CEO of Miaplaza, the company behind Miacademy, MiaPrep, and their accredited online high school.Johannes shares how a small social networking project evolved into a full learner-centered ecosystem for homeschoolers and online high school students. What began as kids’ “edutainment” grew into a mastery-based K–12 model built around motivation, pacing, safety, and authentic engagement.He also reflects on the entrepreneurial side of building Miaplaza, the role of the right team, and how AI and automation are reshaping the skills students will need next.Key Moments00:46 How Miacademy began and why students shaped the pivot11:02 Mastery-based learning and real starting levels13:34 Why math gaps matter and how to prevent them15:43 Personalization through placement, pacing, and remediation17:00 Fixing foundational gaps, including fractions18:56 Doubling down on learner strengths26:59 What students learn from play, shops, and the in-app economy32:17 Supporting highly engaged and hands-off parents38:13 Entrepreneurial lessons on team and mission43:14 Automation, AI, and the future of needed skills49:49 Where to learn more about MiacademyWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis conversation goes beyond online vs. traditional schooling. You’ll hear a grounded look at how mastery-based learning, playful design, and real-world skills come together in a scalable ecosystem. Johannes shares what it takes to build rigorous yet engaging learning, how to design for strengths instead of gaps alone, and why the future of work demands deeper—not less—education.Connect with Dr. Johannes ZieglerLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/johanneszieglerWebsite: https://careers.miaplaza.com/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-inc Company Website: https://flexion.us/ If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Tyler Menezes, CEO of CodeDay, a nonprofit that creates welcoming, project-based experiences for underserved students to explore a future in technology through 24-hour coding events and open source–focused internships.Tyler shares his journey from Y Combinator–backed startup founder to nonprofit leader, and why CodeDay is obsessed with helping students build real things, not just pass tests. He breaks down how experiential learning, mentorship, and open source contributions can close the gap between “I have a degree” and “I can actually do the work” in an AI-saturated job market.From rethinking hackathons as creative entry points for beginners, to using open source as a verifiable micro-credential, to confronting how AI is eroding traditional entry-level roles, this conversation looks squarely at what students really need to become workforce-ready in computer science and beyond.Key Moments01:09 Tyler’s journey from college dropout and YC-backed founder to nonprofit CEO02:32 Why CodeDay started with students who had little or no prior interest in coding03:44 Using creativity, games, art, and music to make coding feel fun and accessible04:25 Where CodeDay sits on the “systems vs. individual learner” continuum10:19 How teachers find CodeDay and why there is a learning curve on both sides26:14 New grads hiring is down, mid/senior hiring is up: what that means for CS programs27:55 Rethinking the value of a CS degree in an AI-driven labor market28:32 AI as the new “junior engineer” and the shrinking space for entry-level roles38:47 The Open Source Fellowship and supporting students over multiple years40:00 How CodeDay measures engagement, readiness, and long-term impact41:04 Using application, interview, and offer data as a near-term signal of employability42:07 Classifying student standups with AI to find who is stuck and intervene earlyWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeIf you care about how to actually get students from “I took the class” to “I can get hired and contribute on day one,” this episode is a must-listen. Tyler challenges the assumption that more content or more credentials automatically lead to opportunity, and instead argues for experiences that build independence, curiosity, and real-world problem solving.Connect with Tyler MenezesLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylermenezesWebsite : https://www.codeday.org/e/labs/2uvhp7v7qak11i2tv28sscd6f8Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-inc Company Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Jennilee Bertrand talks with Nolan Frausto, CTO of AdaptedMind, about what it takes to scale a learning platform for millions of young children. Nolan shares why the team rebuilt their entire engineering system, how the “boring stack” philosophy drives reliability, and why early learning requires a careful balance between fun, pedagogy, and healthy screen time. From adaptive learning and subscription infrastructure to AI-assisted content creation and leadership lessons, this conversation offers a grounded, practical look at building edtech that truly supports young learners.AdaptedMind’s approach stands out in a crowded early-learning market, and Nolan explains how the team measures engagement through genuine learning, not just entertainment. He shares why limiting screen time is intentional, how thoughtful design builds trust with parents, and what it means to create products that help children grow confident, curious, and ready to explore new ideas.Key Moments 00:00 Welcome and episode introduction00:16 Nolan’s background and path into edtech01:58 Engineering lessons brought to AdaptedMind03:07 Why the team chose a full system rebuild04:50 What the legacy codebase revealed05:48 Challenges of the 18-month rebuild06:31 The “boring stack” and benefits of simplicity08:24 Managing pushback around newer tools09:49 Switching from PayPal to Stripe and outcomes12:27 Subscription tools aligned to school-year needs14:29 How AdaptedMind uses AI internally and for early learners18:51 Avoiding game-like design and protecting learning quality24:24 Nolan’s leadership lessons and focus on simplicityWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeYou’ll hear how AdaptedMind:- Rebuilt its foundation to support long-term stability, scale, and new product lines- Uses simplicity and reliability as strategic advantages- Designs subscription and billing tools around real family needs- Applies AI to accelerate animation, content, and engineering workflows- Avoids “game-first” designs to protect learning quality for young children- Builds a culture where reducing complexity is shared across teamsConnect with Nolan FraustoLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolanfrausto/ Website: https://www.adaptedmind.com/ Connect with UsFlexion on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incFlexion Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked new ideas or challenged your thinking, share the episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Raj Valli, Founder and CEO of Thinkster Math, an AI-driven tutoring company that blends patented AI with human coaches to deliver measurable outcomes in math learning.Drawing on experience across 12 industries and decades of nonprofit work in education, Raj unpacks why so many students still struggle with foundational math and what it really takes to design systems that reliably close learning gaps instead of just delivering content. From AI-powered diagnostics that probe “wells of knowledge” to deep analytics that surface patterns like “this student struggles with two-digit multiplication when numbers end in 9,” Raj explains how Thinkster uses data, instructional design, and human tutors together to guarantee outcomes rather than hope for them. He also explores the limits of today’s AI, arguing that most models still rely on crystallized intelligence, while truly transformative learning and innovation depend on human fluid intelligence.If you care about how AI, behavior science, and human relationships can be combined to help learners “learn better, faster, sooner,” this conversation offers a practical, grounded look at what high-accountability edtech can beKey Moments00:00 Welcome to Chalk and Code and introduction to the episode01:22 Raj’s journey across 12 industries and nonprofit education work in India02:21 The “airlines” analogy and the shocking reality that 40–50% of students are failing in math basics04:14 Why “passionately curious” is the mindset behind Thinkster’s constant iteration07:08 Positioning Thinkster as a learner-centric, “cradle to grave” solution rather than just a K–12 tool09:55 The five key nodes: AI, data and analytics, curriculum design, human-in-the-loop tutoring, and behavior13:48 Why behavior, discipline, and intrinsic motivation are as critical as content and technology16:10 Rethinking diagnostics: using AI “dipsticks” to find where a learner’s true starting point should be19:12 How probabilistic assessment works and why diagnostics must feel confidence-building, not punitive23:24 Designing for emotion as well as intelligence so learners feel more confident as they progress27:08 Giving tutors real insight, not just data: “this student struggles with numbers ending in 9”29:44 AI as “actual intelligence”: why human judgment is still essential for context and bias31:49 Crystallized vs. fluid intelligence and why Raj is skeptical of claims that AI will fully replace humans35:31 Shifting from delivery of knowledge to adaptive use of knowledge as the core goal of education36:40 Why adaptive knowledge and real-world application matter more than memorizationWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode challenges the default assumptions behind most learning technology. Instead of starting with “What can AI do?”, Raj starts with “What does the learner need, right now, to move forward?” and builds from there.You’ll hear how Thinkster:Uses AI diagnostics and behavioral data to find each learner’s true starting point and close gaps with precision.Combines human tutors, curriculum design, analytics, and behavior science into a single, outcome-focused model. Gives tutors actionable insights instead of dashboards for their own sake, so every session is targeted and high impact.Frames AI as a powerful tool for crystallized intelligence while insisting that fluid intelligence, context, and values remain deeply human responsibilities.Re-centers education around adaptive knowledge: not just what students can recall, but what they can do with what they know.Connect with Raj ValliLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajvalliThinkster Math: https://hellothinkster.com/Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, Jennifer Huang, Founder and CEO at hihilulu, joins us to explore why so many young learners struggle with Mandarin — and what changes when instruction is redesigned around the true structure of the language.From character-first literacy to dualism pedagogy, Jennifer shares how hihilulu builds learning experiences that respect how children develop reading, writing, and pronunciation skills. She also reflects on her journey operating an international edtech company across France, China, the U.S., and emerging markets, and what it takes to align pedagogy with technology at scale.If you care about creating meaningful language learning that reduces cognitive load, supports teachers, and adapts to diverse school environments, this conversation offers practical insight and inspiration for today’s edtech and learning leaders.Key Moments01:35 Why traditional Mandarin instruction overwhelms young learners05:10 How a character-first approach strengthens literacy09:00 What dualism pedagogy means in practice12:40 Why tones and characters should be learned separately18:00 Building hihilulu Academy and training teachers worldwide20:55 Why teacher readiness determines implementation success23:40 Challenges of B2B school sales and long adoption cycles25:45 Expanding an edtech platform across multiple global markets28:50 Navigating regulatory differences country by country31:30 Funding the mission through grants, accelerators, and private investors35:20 Why resilience and passion are essential for edtech founders38:40 How to connect with JenniferWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode dives into what makes Mandarin learning truly effective — not more complexity, but a clearer entry point.You’ll hear how Jennifer Huang and hihilulu design a learning model that:Simplifies literacy through component-based character learning- Reduces overload by separating tones, characters, and writing- Supports teachers with training, certification, and blended materials- Adapts to schools in diverse cultural and regulatory settings- Helps children build joyful, sustainable Mandarin skills- Jennifer also offers a transparent look at the realities of building a global language platform driven by research, mission, and long-term commitment.Connect with Jennifer HuangLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-huang-parisEmail: [email protected] Website: https://hihilulu.com/Connect with UsCompany LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked new ideas or challenged your thinking, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, Steve Stookey, Vice President and CCO at CypherWorx, joins us to explore how purpose-driven professional development can transform the way organizations learn and lead.From training design to technology integration, Steve shares how CypherWorx builds learning experiences that adapt to each organization’s unique culture — whether it’s a school district, YMCA, fire department, or cultural institution. He also reflects on his own journey from corporate leadership to social entrepreneurship and what it means to design learning that’s simple, human, and scalable.If you care about creating meaningful training that drives culture, builds capability, and keeps people at the center of innovation, this conversation offers practical insight and inspiration for today’s edtech and learning leaders.Key Moments01:40 From corporate sales to social entrepreneurship — the path to CypherWorx05:50 Why culture and training must grow together10:20 “Once you’ve met one institution, you’ve met one institution” — the case for personalization15:45 How listening and flexibility drive better learning outcomes20:50 Building CollabNation — turning instructional design into a learning platform27:30 Why leadership, not software, determines LMS success33:15 Creating purposeful professional development that scales37:34 KPIs (Key Performance Indicators) to track progress, what they really mean for educators and business leaders38:00 Balancing technology, culture, and human connection in learning44:20 How CypherWorx is preparing for the future of AI-enabled education47:45 Connect Steve at “[email protected]” and visit website at “https://cypherworx.com/” Why You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode dives into what makes learning truly effective — not more tools, but more intention.You’ll hear how Steve Stookey and CypherWorx design training that blends instructional design, culture, and technology to create real impact across sectors.Steve also shares:- Why personalization is key to learner engagement- How leadership defines the success of any LMS- What “purposeful professional development” looks like in action- How to stay adaptable while keeping learning humanConnect with Steve StookeyLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevestookey/Email: [email protected] Website: https://cypherworx.com/Connect with UsCompany LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked new ideas or challenged your thinking, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, Dr. Gregory Gage, Neuroscientist, Inventor, TED Fellow, Keynote Speaker and Co-Founder and CEO at Backyard Brains, joins us to explore how neuroscience can move beyond the lab and into classrooms around the world.From recording real neural activity to building brain-machine interfaces, Dr. Gage shares how Backyard Brains is making complex science accessible, affordable, and exciting for students and educators alike. He also opens up about the company’s unconventional journey — from a $100 spike challenge to global STEM impact — and what it takes to sustain a mission-driven edtech company in today’s shifting landscape.If you’re passionate about bringing authentic STEM discovery to life, connecting curiosity to curriculum, and inspiring students to think like scientists, this conversation delivers both inspiration and practical insight.Key Moments01:30 Discovering the spark that started Backyard Brains07:13 The $100 neuroscience experiment that became a global movement15:15 Making brain science tangible through hands-on learning18:50 From hardware to software — understanding the brain as an analog computer25:20 Why creativity is essential to scientific discovery29:10 Lessons from building a mission-driven education company33:55 The challenge of attention and agency in modern learning38:35 How real neuroscience fits into K-12 and higher education44:10 What’s next for Backyard Brains and the future of hands-on scienceWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode reveals how authentic science can be taught through experience, not just explanation.You’ll hear how Dr. Gage’s curiosity-driven approach to neuroscience is helping students around the world see and hear their own learning in action.Dr. Gage also shares:How to guide students from structured labs to self-driven discoveryWhy the future of neuroscience is about information, not just anatomyHow creativity and constraint fuel innovation in educationWhat edtech founders can learn from blending purpose with practicalityConnect with Dr. Greg GageLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gagegreg/ Website: https://backyardbrains.com/ Connect with UsCompany LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked new ideas or challenged your thinking, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Jill Foley speaks with Scott Buell, Founder of Drone Legends, about bringing real-world drone applications into K-12 learning. From Mars exploration and medical delivery to precision agriculture and infrastructure inspection, Scott maps how drones are reshaping work and why early exposure matters.Scott shares the Drone Legends K-12 aviation pathway—from story-driven experiences in early grades to autonomous flight, coding, drone racing, and FAA Part 107 prep in high school. He also unpacks teacher-first onboarding, unlimited PD and tech support, and practical advice for edtech founders navigating funding cycles and commercialization.If you’re curious about authentic STEM engagement, building career-connected pathways, and what’s ahead at the intersection of drones, AI, and edutainment, this conversation delivers.Key Moments01:06 Drones for Good: Real-world impact from Mars to medicine02:45 Drones and Data: How STEM meets science and conservation04:13 Building a K-12 aviation pathway that links missions to careers05:55 Little Legends: Story-based, screen-light learning for early grades06:59 Drone racing, esports, and FAA Part 107 classroom prep08:44 From corporate to classroom: The founder’s turning point17:49 Designing onboarding that starts with empathy21:28 Beyond the AI bubble: The Drone Legends edutainment vision24:35 Funding realities and diversification for edtech founders28:39 Where to connect: Building community around learning innovationWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode shows how to make STEM hands-on and future-ready.You’ll hear how a classroom moment became a movement, and why teacher experience, scaffolding, and PD are the levers that scale.Scott also shares:- How mission-based lessons connect coding to real work- Why empathy for educators drives product success- Where esports and certification fit into career pathways- How to navigate volatile funding with diversified revenueConnect with Scott BuellDrone Legends: https://www.dronelegends.com/Connect with UsCompany LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis speaks with Matthew Baker, CEO of Tovuti LMS, about the past, present, and future of learning management systems. With over two decades in edtech, including leadership roles at Blackboard, Instructure, and CLASS Technologies. Matthew brings a rare perspective on how LMS platforms have evolved from CD-ROM installs to SaaS solutions that now serve learners worldwide.Matthew shares why he joined Tovuti LMS, how the company’s people-first culture sets it apart, and why LMS vendors must rethink their approach to AI if they want to stay relevant. From balancing configurability with usability to breaking into new markets like FedRAMP, he unpacks both the challenges and opportunities ahead for corporate learning.If you’re curious about where LMS innovation is headed, what “AI-first” really means, and how culture drives software success, this conversation is a must-listen.Key Moments03:46 "Blackboard's Digital Transformation Journey"09:07 Real-Time Student Engagement Challenges11:51 People Drive Software Success13:39 Leveraging People for Success16:55 "People-First Business Culture"20:38 Embracing Change Through Empathy26:26 Education vs. Corporate LMS Needs30:38 Startup Responsiveness and Client Focus34:50 "AI Integration Beyond Surface Level"37:40 Course Building with AI Insights40:36 Driving Innovation in Education Markets46:09 "Understanding EdTech Demand Immersion"48:03 Balancing Business and Learner NeedsWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode shines a light on what it really takes to innovate in the LMS space. You’ll hear how Matthew Baker’s career has mirrored the evolution of learning platforms—and why he believes the next wave of disruption depends on culture, configurability, and AI-first thinking.Matthew also shares:Why software success is 60% people, 30% product, 10% market timingHow Tovuti LMS balances configurability with client focusWhy smaller companies can sometimes outmaneuver the giantsWhere AI can (and can’t) create real value in learningConnect with Matthew BakerTovuti LMS: https://www.tovutilms.com/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Dr. Victor Winter, professor of computer science at the University of Nebraska Omaha and founder of BrickLayer. Bricklayer is a nonprofit educational platform that teaches coding, math, and computational thinking through art—using virtual bricks inspired by LEGO and Minecraft.From his early work at Sandia National Laboratories to building an education platform that blends creativity with computational rigor, Victor shares how his journey has been driven by a single question: How can we make programming more human, engaging, and fun? He unpacks how visual learning builds durable skills, why mistakes should be embraced as part of the process, and how AI will amplify—not replace—human creativity in the classroom.If you’ve ever wondered how coding can become a medium for expression rather than just a technical skill, this conversation is a must-listen.Key Moments02:15 From National Labs to Academia06:40 Why Traditional Coding Languages Don’t Align with Human Thinking10:18 The Birth of Bricklayer: Coding as Art15:25 Visual Learning as a Pathway into STEM20:42 Students Doing “10x the Work” When Given Creative Freedom26:30 Reducing Teacher Fear with Block-Based Programming30:55 Why Motivation, Not Information, Is the Real Bottleneck in Education37:12 How Public School Standards Slow Innovation44:20 Reframing Mistakes as Learning Opportunities51:05 Generative AI as the “Magic Wand” for Human Creativity57:48 Preparing the Next Generation for an AI-Driven FutureWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode challenges assumptions about what computer science education should look like.You’ll hear how Dr. Victor Winter transforms coding into a creative medium that motivates students, develops spatial reasoning, and builds the confidence to learn from mistakes. Whether you’re an educator, parent, or technologist, his approach shows how art can be the gateway to STEM—and why coding needs to be reimagined for today’s learners.Victor also shares:Why visual and spatial reasoning are key predictors of STEM successHow Bricklayer lowers barriers for teachers while empowering studentsWhy schools should view teachers as coaches and motivators, not just information providersHow generative AI pushes humans to imagine bolder, more ambitious possibilitiesConnect with Dr. Victor WinterLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/victor-winter-44b99937 Website: https://bricklayer.org/ Resources MentionedBricklayer Etudes — MainBricklayer Etudes Book I: Rectangles (1st Ed.) — Victor Winter“Composition A, 1923” by Piet MondrianConnect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis is joined by Benjamin Welbourn, CEO of Schola, a Phoenix-based edtech platform helping families find the schools that fit them best. What began as a startup helping parents navigate school options has evolved into a full ecosystem, streamlining enrollment, managing community programs, and even using AI to help schools build stronger relationships with families.Ben shares his own experience as a learner who didn’t feel at home in traditional classrooms, and how that journey shaped his commitment to personalized, student-centered education. From hiking the Appalachian Trail to launching Virto Education and now leading Schola, his story is one of building bridges between students, systems, and meaningful outcomes.This conversation explores how school choice, AI, community engagement, and human connection intersect and what it takes to make education feel less like a system and more like a fit.Key Moments03:47 Global College Pathway Expansion08:24 Expanding Enrollment Through Extracurriculars11:23 Improving School Enrollment Practices14:28 Family School Engagement Strategy20:13 Prioritizing Psychological Safety in Schools22:08 Enrollment Challenges and Cycles24:30 School Consolidation Necessity28:57 "Real-Time School Engagement Insights"32:55 Parent-School Connection Challenges37:07 AI-Powered School Program Recommendations39:31 Ed Tech Challenges and Growth41:03 Esser Funds' Aftermath on Schools47:31 Substance Over AI HypeWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeYou’ll hear how Benjamin and the team at Schola are flipping the script on traditional K–12 marketing by helping schools build trust, communicate value, and become hubs for their communities. If you're in education, product, policy, or just want to know how schools can thrive in an era of rapid change, this episode offers a playbook for putting families first and using data, tech, and empathy to make it happen.You’ll walk away with:A fresh perspective on school choice and community engagementReal examples of how Schola helps schools attract and retain the right studentsInsights into how AI can amplify, not replace, human relationships in educationLessons on navigating today’s rapidly shifting education landscape with integrityConnect with Benjamin WelbournLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benwelbourn  Breshna: https://home.schola.com/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Dr. Joseph Guastalli-Atman, the philosopher-turned-founder behind Middle Tree, a nonprofit education center that’s redefining what supplemental learning can be.Dr. Atman shares his journey from academia into mission-driven entrepreneurship, reflecting on how his studies in consciousness and sacred theology led him to launch an organization that prioritizes access, equity, and human-centered learning. Middle Tree’s approach flips the traditional model on its head: no appointment-based sessions, no rigid timelines, no financial barriers.Instead, learners are invited to show up when they need help, stay as long as they like, and follow a personalized path, all built on the belief that time, autonomy, and relationships are central to real learning. This conversation moves from the philosophical to the practical, offering a candid look at education systems, edtech’s role, and what it really means to honor student potential.Key Moments03:56 Educational Initiative Origins08:18 Middle Tree's Personalized Learning Model16:15 "Revamping Education Pathways at Middle Tree"22:36 Ease of Information: Critical Concerns28:39 Metaphor, Knowledge, and Reality Misalignment33:15 "System-Driven Education, Student Literacy Neglect"36:01 "Universal Impact of Middle Tree"42:40 Human Touch in AI-Driven Tutoring47:26 "Middle Tree Mission Promotion"49:12 Balancing Humanity and TechnologyWhy You’ll Love This EpisodeThis is a conversation that challenges the fundamentals of how we think about education.Dr. Atman doesn’t just talk about reform, he lives it through Middle Tree’s radically accessible and deeply personal model. You’ll hear how a single act of letting a student stay “just a bit longer” sparked a decade-long reimagining of education, one rooted in dignity, autonomy, and experience.Whether you're a school leader, edtech builder, or parent trying to navigate a complex system, this episode will offer you both philosophical depth and practical takeaways.Connect with Dr. Joseph Guastalli-AtmanLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-guastalli-atman-3b25b7110 Middle Tree: https://middletree.org/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Jill chats with Mariam Nusrat, the visionary founder of Breshna.io, a no-code platform revolutionizing how video games are built, shared, and used. Think Canva meets Candy Crush, but with a mission.Before founding Breshna, Mariam spent 15 years at the World Bank as an education economist, advising countries on how to use tech for impact. Now, she's combining her global development background with game design to empower teachers, students, marketers, even dads in Senegal to build meaningful games in minutes.From fundraising with grit to flipping classrooms with student-built games, Mariam shares hard-earned lessons and bold dreams for democratizing game creation around the world.Key Moments03:50 "Challenges of Fundraising as an Entrepreneur"09:12 Reshna: No-Code Video Game Creation11:59 Gaming as Marketing for CPG Brands15:57 "Democratize Game Creation for Diversity"17:39 "Launch, Learn, Iterate"Why You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode is packed with energy, purpose, and practical insight.Mariam Nusrat breaks down what it really takes to make game creation accessible and meaningful for people with zero coding experience. Whether you're in edtech, marketing, or social impact, you’ll hear how Breshna is empowering people to become creators, not just consumers of powerful, story-driven games.Mariam also shares:How no-code tools are changing the game (literally)What it means to tell your story through interactive designHow to build in public and lead with authenticityThe emotional and strategic rollercoaster of raising capitalWhy game-based storytelling is becoming essential across sectorsConnect with Mariam NusratLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariamnusrat Breshna: https://breshna.io/ Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Jill Foley dives into the world of immersive education with Cheryl Bayer, CEO of Living Popups, a cutting-edge company blending storytelling, augmented reality, and curriculum to engage students like never before.From her background in Hollywood to co-founding an XR startup focused on K–12 education, Cheryl shares the fascinating journey of how entertainment, empathy, and emerging tech intersect in the classroom. She unpacks what it means to build "sticky" learning experiences, how AI can enhance not replace human interaction, and why giving students agency over their learning is the key to long-term success.If you're curious about how AR/VR, gamification, and interactive characters are transforming how kids learn to read, write, and think, this conversation is a must-listen.Key Moments03:57 Childhood Dyslexia Challenges08:48 "Revamping California Education Blueprint"09:57 Impactful Literacy and Inclusivity Program13:50 Dashboard Simplification in Various Fields19:30 Engaging Education Through Historical Immersion20:23 "Transformative Education Access Initiative"24:19 Addressing Mental Health in Real-Time27:05 App Design for Audience Engagement32:48 Revamping Boring Audio Tours34:05 Colosseum's Vibrant Past Unveiled40:27 "Persistence in Business Leadership"41:40 "Rediscovering the Lunch Break"Why You’ll Love This EpisodeThis episode flips the script on how we think about engagement in education.You’ll hear how Cheryl Bayer applies lessons from the entertainment industry to educational design—and why her team builds XR experiences that are not just cool, but cognitively meaningful. Whether you’re an educator, technologist, or parent navigating the noisy world of edtech, this episode offers clarity on what immersive learning should be and how to use AI and AR in ways that are human-first, not just high-tech.Cheryl also shares:Why the future of literacy depends on interactivityHow Living Popups balances curriculum standards with creative freedomWhat public-private collaboration looks like in XR development for schoolsThe psychology behind “edutainment” that actually worksConnect with Cheryl BayerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cheryl-bayer-12b35b10Living Popups: https://www.livingpopups.com/Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In this episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis welcomes Dr. Tim Wiens, a seasoned educator and President of the Academic Advisory Board at Classic Learning Test (CLT). With decades of experience in innovation in K–12 and higher education, Dr. Wiens shares how CLT is challenging the dominance of the SAT and ACT, not just with a different exam, but with an entirely different philosophy.At the heart of CLT is a return to classical education: reading great texts, developing analytical thinking, and connecting knowledge with virtue. Tim discusses how this mission-driven assessment model is creating space for deeper, more meaningful learning, and how it could redefine college readiness, civic education, AI in education, and the role of digital learning tools.If you’ve ever questioned what standardized testing is really measuring, or what it should be, this conversation will get you thinking.Key Moments05:44 Revisiting Education's Purpose08:23 "CLT's 10th Anniversary Celebration"10:44 Cultivating Truth, Beauty, and Goodness16:46 Evolving Role of Student Assessments19:58 Diverse Advisory Board's Strategic Role22:47 Expanding Education Testing Options25:12 Embracing AI in Education29:17 "AI, Education, and Human Connection"32:50 Deep Learning's Role in Civil Discourse36:18 "Rethinking Relational Education"Why You’ll Love This EpisodeYou’ll hear Dr. Wiens articulate a bold vision for returning assessments to their original purpose: to reflect what matters most in learning. He makes the case for integrating timeless principles like truth, beauty, and goodness into modern assessment, and explains why this approach might be exactly what today’s fragmented education system needs.Expect insights on:The limits of “college-and-career ready” modelsThe power of formative assessment rooted in deep thinkingHow CLT is serving both classical and public school systemsWhat AI in education means for student learning, and why it can’t replace the human elementConnect with Dr. Tim WiensLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothy-wiens-587a316CLT: https://www.cltexam.com/Connect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and educational technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.

In the premiere episode of Chalk and Code, host Theron Davis sits down with Doug Roberts, a former classroom teacher turned edtech entrepreneur, to explore the evolving relationship between public education and technology. As founder of the Institute for Education Innovation (IEI), Doug shares a candid look at what it takes to connect the dots between superintendents and tech innovators and why the current model of edtech sales is due for a radical rethink.From his early career as a high school social studies teacher to pioneering one of the few platforms that brings district leaders and edtech startups together on equal footing, Doug unpacks the real-world challenges and surprising opportunities in K–12 innovation. Along the way, he reflects on his journey, the purpose behind IEI, and what the future holds for AI in education, digital learning tools, and district-level decision-making.Key Moments03:48 Career Journey in Edtech Sales09:35 Embracing Educational Technology Startups11:51 Creating Choice-Centric Networking Events18:08 Fostering Leadership in Public Education20:25 Enhancing EdTech Collaboration and Innovation22:53 EdTech Summit's Startup Pitch Event27:32 Efficacy vs. Practical Impact in EdTech29:45 Edtech Gap and Funding Challenges33:46 AI in Education: Balancing Concerns37:15 "Superintendent Podcast Revival"Why You’ll Love This EpisodeIf you're tired of the hype around educational technology and ready for a grounded, insider look at what actually works in K–12 innovation, this episode is for you.Doug Roberts brings rare insight from both sides of the education-technology divide, as a former teacher and now a connector of district leaders and edtech startups. You’ll hear how he’s helping superintendents make smarter decisions, why the sales process in education needs a revolution, and how trust, not just tech, is the real game-changer.Whether you're a school leader, entrepreneur, investor, or educator with an eye on the future, you’ll walk away with a fresh perspective on what it really takes to create impact—and why the best innovations often start with a simple conversation.Connect with Doug RobertsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougrobertsieiWebsite: www.instituteforedinnovation.comConnect with UsCompany’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/flexion-incCompany Website: https://flexion.us/If this conversation sparked a new idea or challenged your assumptions, share this episode with a colleague and subscribe for more thoughtful discussions at the intersection of learning, leadership, and technology.Join us next time on Chalk and Code, where the science of learning meets modern technology.