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Two brands, one expert, and a mission that makes being the expert feel like a contradiction — how do you build something institutional out of something that personal?Carmell Clark is an executive coach with 25+ years of experience, creator of the Core Self-Discovery curriculum, and founder of the Center for Transformational Influence (CTI) — an organization built to help individuals and companies break free from unhealthy deference to authority. This episode digs into one of the trickiest brand architecture challenges out there: how do you grow a personal brand into an institutional one when your whole philosophy is against the cult of personality? Ethan and Carmell work through the tension live — exploring brand equity, the psychology of followership, and what it actually takes to step into the spotlight you built to dismantle.MAIN TOPICS COVEREDThe CTI Paradox — running an organization whose mission is to dismantle guru culture while being, unavoidably, its charismatic and credentialed founderBrand Architecture 101: Personal Brand vs. Institutional Brand — when to run them in parallel, and when the personal brand has to come firstWhy most humans are wired to follow, not lead — the evolutionary case for followership, Derek Sivers' 3-minute TED Talk "How to Start a Movement," and why fighting this truth will make you "clenched and bitter"The Geico Gecko Principle — how a cockney-accented lizard tripled a business, and what that tells you about how little people actually want to think about brandsBrené Brown, Nancy Duarte, and the Receding Founder — a playbook for how expert-led brands eventually outgrow their founders: Duarte, Decker Communications, Bain, Ford, Philip Morris — names on the door first, institutions laterTony Robbins vs. Richard Branson: two models for founder-led brands — the spectrum from "Oprah, Oprah, Oprah" to "Virgin Everything" and where CTI might land"Suck it up, buttercup" — the advice Carmell didn't want but needed — embrace the spotlight to teach people how to hold power without being consumed by it; use yourself as the living case studyAudre Lorde on privilege and power — and why the answer isn't to minimize your influence but to step into it consciously, then use it to give power backThe path forward for CTI — Carmell Clark front and center now, CTI built deliberately in the background, until the brand is the thing and Carmell is the lore4. ADDITIONAL RESOURCESCarmell Clark: carmellclark.comBrené Brown: brenebrown.comNancy Duarte / Duarte Inc.: duarte.com — Slideology and ResonateDerek Sivers — "How to Start a Movement": ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_start_a_movementMonty Python's Life of Brian — you know where to find itCrucial Conversations (Harvard Negotiation Project)Cover Brand Covers Playlist on Spotify: Cover Brand Covers PlaylistYou can't build an institution out of yourself if you keep fighting the fact that you're the institution. Step into it. Use it. That's how the work gets further. If this episode made you tilt your head — whether you're a coach, a founder, or a brand trying to outgrow its creator — share it with someone who needs to hear it. Subscribe to Cover Brand, explore the frameworks at appliedbrandscience.com, and come back next week for more of this.Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What if the reason your marketing isn't landing isn't your message — it's that you're still treating people like targets instead of humans?In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker welcomes back Chelsea Burns, brand ethicist and relational psychologist at The Marketing Psychologist. Chelsea's work sits at the intersection of consumer neuroscience, relational psychology, and ethical influence — and she's got a bone to pick with the way business strips the human out of everything, starting with the word "leads." Together, Ethan and Chelsea explore why 95% of brand decisions happen underground, why trust is never a checkbox, and what it actually takes to build a brand people don't just buy from — but belong to.If you've ever wondered why your customers say one thing and do another, or why a brand that seemed bulletproof can lose its audience almost overnight, this episode will reframe how you think about the relationship between brand and buyer.Main Topics CoveredChelsea's core thesis: business dehumanizes by default — and why "leads," "targets," and "consumers" are symptoms of a deeper problemWhy 95% of brand decisions happen in the subconscious limbic system, and what that means for how you build mental availability with buyersThe tree metaphor: brand is the root system (underground, sensed but unseen); marketing is the trunk and branches — you can't have healthy growth without healthy rootsChelsea's four-pillar Belong Brand framework: Consent → Reciprocity → Trust → Belonging — and why stopping at "trusted brand" is like finishing three legs of a relay raceFake countdown timers, inflated "original prices," and urgency manipulation — why these tactics shatter consent and what they signal to buyers about your real intentionsRobert Cialdini's principle of reciprocity from Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion — and why a garbage lead magnet is the opposite of an equal value exchangeWhy trust is never a checkbox — every touchpoint is either building it or breaking it, and the Edelman Trust Barometer isn't telling us anything snake oil salesmen didn't already know in 1880Target's DEI retreat as a live case study in belonging collapse — when a brand flips the script, buyers don't just feel disappointed, they feel dupedVW's emissions scandal as the counterpoint — a massive trust breach, billions in damage, and yet currently the number one automaker in the world. Big brands have more foundation to absorb shocks. That doesn't mean you should test it.The gap between stated values and actual behavior — why Gen Z says they'll only buy from values-aligned brands and then they're all on Temu and hitting Taco Bell for a $2 burritoEthan's leaky lazy brain framework: we don't read ingredient lists, we don't open the hood before buying a $50,000 car, and we absolutely do not read the manual afterTriple Stuff Oreos. We went there.Additional ResourcesChelsea Burns — themarketingpsychologist.coChelsea Burns on LinkedIn —https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelseaburns26/Robert Cialdini, Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion — the original framework behind ethical reciprocityEdelman Trust Barometer — edelman.com/trustYuka app (referenced by Chelsea for scanning food ingredients) — yuka.ioCover Brand Covers Playlist (Spotify) — featuring Imagine Dragons' "Blank Space" — Listen hereYour buyers are not making rational decisions in a spreadsheet. They're running on leaky, lazy brains, shaped by emotion, context, and whether your brand makes them feel like the person they're trying to become. Build for that. Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dig deeper into the science behind what actually drives brand growth.Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What does it mean to be out — fully, authentically, unapologetically yourself — especially when the culture around you keeps trying to make you invisible?In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker welcomes Jamie Rich, a community builder with 23 years of experience producing live cultural events, including founding the Kansas City LGBT Film Festival. Jamie is now launching Out Here Together, an online wisdom and resource exchange platform built specifically for gay men over 55 — a group that is statistically among the most isolated and underserved populations in America.Ethan and Jamie explore what it really takes to build a brand around community: why you have to start with one concrete thing before chasing the full Kraken of tentacles, how to calibrate your expectations for lurkers vs. stewards, and why the most powerful community brands don't bond people over their wounds — they bond them over their potential.If you've ever tried to build something for a niche audience and worried it was "too specific," this episode will change how you think about focus. Specificity isn't exclusion. It's an invitation.Main Topics CoveredCallum Scott's cover duet with Whitney Houston — and what it means to take something universal and make it feel newWhy Jamie is building Out Here Together for gay men over 55 — the isolation statistics that make the need undeniableHow the Kansas City LGBT Film Festival drew straight audiences — and what that teaches us about niche brands with universal appealThe danger of "bonding over the wound" and how community brands must lead with aspiration, not grievanceEthan's "ladder of abstraction" — why abstract goals like "connection" and "visibility" must be grounded in concrete, purchasable, doable thingsThe six-stage community journey: visitor → audience → participant → collaborator → stakeholder → stewardThe 99-1 rule: why most people lurk, and how to build your model around that realityWhy Coca-Cola couldn't launch sparkling water — and what brand stretch has to do with Jamie's growth plansEthan's advice: pick one nucleus (a podcast, a course, a fireside chat series) and do it 250 times before you branch outThe "third act pivot" — stories of people who found their second (or third) career after 55, and why those stories are the beaconHeated Rivalry and the gay hockey romance that set social media on fire — proof that radical specificity can reach everyoneAdditional ResourcesOut Here Together — outHeretogether.comCallum Scott's cover of Whitney Houston's "I Want to Dance with Somebody" — available on YouTube/VevoCover Brand Covers Playlist (Spotify) — https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6h4QzTqrtn9DIAPvdn1iCI?si=MR0mZB_4T9S7O-qM8w9h1QHow I Built This with Guy Raz — referenced as a model for long-game community/content buildingHard Fork from The New York Times — referenced as an example of deep niche content that eventually scales to live eventsYou can't build a community for everyone. You build it for someone. Start with the people who have nowhere else to go, give them one concrete reason to show up, and let the rest of the petals open on their own. Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing — and head to appliedbrandscience.com to dig deeper into the science behind why focus always wins.Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you spending weeks trying to find a brand name that explains exactly what you do? Stop it. Your buyers are mental misers. They aren't parsing the literal meaning of your name; they just need a reliable shortcut.In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker welcomes Dror Yaron, a life coach working to humanize business. Dror is struggling with a literal name ("Ethics Coach") that feels heavy and attracts the wrong crowd. Ethan and Dror break down the two ways to name a brand: the "nail on the head" method (like 5-Hour Energy) and the "evocative shortcut" method (like Starbucks or Swiffer).They also explore the frustrating but normal reality of buyer personas. If you've ever felt like your real-world customers don't match the avatar you built in a conference room, this episode will retune your instincts. You'll learn why you should lean into your niche to get attention, even if your actual customer base is delightfully messy.Main Topics Covered:Berry Sakharof’s cover of Elvis Presley and the beauty of keeping your accentThe danger of using literal, descriptive names for your businessWhy the world's most famous brands (Apple, Starbucks, McDonald's) have names completely unrelated to their categoriesThe two paths of naming: The "Nail on the Head" vs. The "Evocative Shortcut"How P&G shifted from evocative names (Tide, Dawn) to unique, searchable names (Febreze, Swiffer)Why your real-world clients will always ruin your neatly defined "buyer persona"The Dude Wipes phenomenon: Why targeting a specific niche doesn't mean you won't attract everyone elseHow to use an exclusionary target to get attention (lessons from a CMU robotics kit for middle school girls)Links to Additional Resources:Dror Yaron on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/droryaron/Carnegie Mellon University Robotics Institute – https://www.ri.cmu.edu/Hummingbird Robotics Kit – https://www.birdbraintechnologies.com/Dude Wipes – The brand science example of sloppy buyer realityCover Brand Covers Playlist (Spotify) – Featuring Berry Sakharof's "I Can't Help Falling In Love With You" -https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6h4QzTqrtn9DIAPvdn1iCI?si=MR0mZB_4T9S7O-qM8w9h1QStop trying to make your brand name explain your entire business model. Instead, go for a bike ride, find a sticky shortcut, and let your reputation do the explaining. Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nic Hinwood returns to Cover Brand for a Shop Talk episode about the messy middle of brand building—the place where client expectations, practical marketing work, and brand science collide.Nic runs Keo, a brand and marketing agency in Tamworth, Australia, working primarily with small and medium-sized businesses. After sixteen years in business, he has watched his agency evolve from producing tactical assets—logos, websites, visual identity—into something broader: brand advisory, strategy, and reputation-building.In our conversation we unpack a familiar pattern in agency life. Many clients begin with a simple request: we need a logo. But once you start pulling on that thread, the conversation often reveals deeper questions about positioning, reputation, and how the business actually creates value in the market.That’s where a useful mental model comes in: the spectrum between little-b brand and Big-B Brand.Little-b brand is the visible stuff—logos, colors, typography, mascots, design systems. Big-B Brand is the reputation those things help support: what people think of the company and why they trust it.Both matter. But they matter in different ways and at different stages of a company’s growth.Nic shares examples from agency work where clients believed a visual change would fix a business problem—only to discover the real issue lived elsewhere. We also talk about how agencies grow from tactical production into strategic partners, and why stubborn curiosity is often the skill that keeps an agency alive for sixteen years.Along the way, we begin—as always—with a cover song.Nic brings an Australian favorite: Something for Kate covering Taylor Swift’s “Cardigan” on Triple J’s Like A Version, a format famous for letting artists reinterpret songs in their own style.Which, in its own way, mirrors branding work: the art of taking something familiar and making it unmistakably yours.Main TopicsThe evolution of a branding agency from tactical production to strategic advisoryThe difference between “little-b brand” (assets) and “Big-B Brand” (reputation)Why many clients begin brand conversations with logos and visual identityHow brand assets contribute to recognition and reputationThe real reasons businesses seek branding helpWorking with small and medium-sized businesses on brand challengesHow agencies expand their services over time through curiosity and client demandPractical brand science for client conversationsIf you're building a brand—or helping someone else build one—this episode is a reminder that logos and colors are useful tools. But they only matter insofar as they support the bigger thing: what people actually think of you.Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do you choose the right marketing tools when there are thousands of options claiming to do the same thing?In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker sits down with Jay Friedman, co-founder of Cartograph AI, to explore the increasingly complex world of marketing technology.As AI lowers the barrier to launching new products, the number of martech vendors continues to grow rapidly. While this innovation creates opportunities, it also makes it harder for brands and agencies to identify tools that genuinely deliver value.Jay explains how Cartograph AI is building a platform to help marketers evaluate vendors with expert insight rather than relying solely on marketing claims or user reviews.Along the way, the conversation dives into the realities of marketing mix modeling, the limitations of analyst reports and review sites, and the organizational challenges that often determine whether a new tool succeeds or fails.For marketers navigating today’s crowded tech ecosystem, this episode offers a thoughtful look at how better evaluation—and better questions—can lead to better decisions.Main TopicsThe explosion of marketing technology vendorsWhy selecting tools has become increasingly difficultThe founding idea behind Cartograph AILimitations of analyst reports like Gartner Magic QuadrantThe role of user review platforms such as G2 and CapterraUnderstanding marketing mix models (MMM) and their complexityWhy internal adoption and politics shape tool successHow AI is accelerating the creation of new marketing productsLinks & ReferencesKanye West – Through the Wire (sampling Chaka Khan’s Through the Fire)Cartograph AI – Jay Friedman’s startup focused on evaluating martech vendorsGartner Magic Quadrant – analyst framework referenced in the conversationG2 and Capterra – software review platforms mentioned in discussionGrace Kite / Magic Numbers – marketing mix modeling company referenced in the episodeTranscript excerpt:If you’re in marketing today, the challenge isn’t finding tools. It’s figuring out which ones actually work. And sometimes the smartest move isn’t adding another platform—it’s getting better at evaluating the ones already on the map.Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do you build awareness for a movement around an issue people often avoid discussing?In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker talks with filmmaker and founder Karen Moore about her mission to address colorism through film, workshops, and community conversations.Karen’s company, The Color of Beautiful Media & Entertainment Group, works to redefine beauty standards for dark-skinned Black women and create spaces where women can talk openly about the emotional and social impact of colorism.But even powerful missions face a practical challenge: awareness.Ethan shares brand science principles for building traction, emphasizing the value of starting locally rather than trying to reach everyone at once. Drawing examples from Oprah, Facebook, and Twitter, the conversation explores how many influential brands first gained momentum within small communities before expanding outward.For entrepreneurs, creators, and mission-driven leaders, this episode offers practical insight into how focused communities can become the foundation for broader cultural impact.Main TopicsUnderstanding colorism and its impact within communities of colorUsing film and media as tools for social conversation and healingThe challenge of building awareness for mission-driven organizationsWhy uncomfortable issues can be harder to marketIdentifying a clear target audience (dark-skinned Black women)The power of local community traction in brand buildingExamples of local-first growth: Oprah, Facebook, and TwitterTurning conversations into community engagementLinks & ReferencesCynthia Erivo & Jennifer Hudson – Purple Rain tribute performance (mentioned in the episode)Nina Simone – Four Women (referenced in the discussion of Karen’s workshop)The Color of Beautiful Media & Entertainment Group – Karen Moore’s organizationDove “Real Beauty” campaign and global beauty standards (referenced in conversation)Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do you focus a brand when your expertise could help almost anyone?In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker talks with Chelsea Burns, founder of The Marketing Psychologist, about the early-stage challenge of narrowing a brand’s target audience and defining its core offering.Chelsea’s business blends psychology with ethical branding and marketing, helping organizations build trust-based relationships with customers. But after a promising first year in business, she faces a familiar founder problem: too many potential audiences and too many possible services.Ethan shares practical brand science principles for finding focus, including why entrepreneurs underestimate their current market opportunity, why choosing a target often feels arbitrary at first, and why clarity usually comes from talking to customers rather than theorizing internally.Listeners will also hear the origin stories of MailChimp and Nike as examples of how brands often discover their true direction through real market activity rather than perfect upfront strategy.If you’re building a consulting business, launching a new brand, or refining your positioning, this episode offers grounded advice for moving from broad capability to clear focus.Main TopicsEthical branding and the idea of marketing without manipulationThe early-stage challenge of focus for new consulting businessesWhy trying to serve too many audiences complicates brand positioningThe “inside the bottle” problem founders face with their own brandsUnderestimating opportunity within your current marketThe importance of talking directly to customers for brand clarityMailChimp’s origin story and accidental product successNike’s evolution from Blue Ribbon Sports to a global brandAligning target audience, offering, and messagingLinks & ReferencesSick Puppies – Say My Name (cover of Destiny’s Child)Cover Brand Spotify Playlist – featuring songs mentioned on the podcastThe Marketing Psychologist – https://www.the-marketing-psychologist.com/MailChimp – example brand origin story discussed in the episodeNike / Blue Ribbon Sports history referenced in the conversationProduced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do you compete with big-city agencies when you’re based in a town of 50,000 people?In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker talks with Nic Hinwood, founder of Keo, a branding and marketing agency based in Tamworth, Australia. Together they unpack the perception challenge facing regional agencies—and why buyers often rely on subtle cues when judging expertise and credibility.Ethan introduces several practical brand science ideas, including the concept of car door sounds—the tiny signals that shape how people judge quality. They also explore how companies like Apple and Shinola turned geographic quirks into brand advantages through clever positioning.Listeners will learn why researching how prospects actually choose agencies is critical, how to identify the unconscious signals buyers rely on, and why turning perceived weaknesses into distinctive strengths can unlock powerful positioning.If you run a service business, build brands, or compete against bigger players with louder reputations, this episode offers practical ways to rethink perception—and turn underdog status into strategic advantage.Main TopicsThe “underdog perception” problem for regional agenciesWhy marketers should stop imagining what prospects think and go ask themThe “car door sound” principle—how buyers use small cues to judge qualityTurning weaknesses into positioning advantagesApple’s “Designed in Cupertino” strategyShinola watches and the power of “Made in Detroit”Why community accountability can be a powerful brand signalThe importance of identifying unconscious cues in professional servicesLessons from building a medieval castle about sharpening your tools before doing the workLinks & ReferencesThe cover song discussed in the episode: Austin (AC Music 7) covering “I Will Follow You Into the Dark” by Death Cab for CutieCover Brand Spotify Playlist – featuring songs mentioned on the podcastShinola Watches – Detroit-based watchmaker referenced in the episodeApple product packaging (“Designed in Cupertino”) positioning exampleGuédelon Castle Project – experimental medieval castle construction referenced in the conversationIf you’re building a brand—or trying to reposition how people see your business—this episode is a reminder that perception often hinges on small signals. Find the right ones, amplify them, and suddenly the underdog becomes the hidden gem.Curious about how brand science can transform your business?Visit appliedbrandscience.com for deeper dives and resources.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more conversations about how brands actually work in the real world.Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ready to stand out in an industry that wasn’t built for you? This episode is a sharp, honest conversation about identity, confidence, and what brand science actually says about change. Victoria Carrington Chávez—TEDx speaker, narrative strategist, and founder of Lilac & Aspen—joins Ethan to explore how young, multi-identity marketers can cement their presence without sanding off what makes them different.They dig into why institutions change slowly (sometimes “one funeral at a time”), why you can’t sell sriracha to people who hate spice, and why confidence is a skill—not a personality trait. Through brand examples like Lazy-Boy and FCUK, Ethan shows how distinctiveness beats trying to please everyone, and why “being pointy” is a smarter long-term strategy than becoming a smooth, forgettable circle.If you’ve ever felt pressure to tone it down, round it off, or make yourself more palatable—this one’s for you.Find your people.Own your edge.Stop chasing the wrong customer.Main Topics:Why change in institutions is slow—and what that means for marketersTargeting 101: Stop selling to people who don’t want what you’re offeringIdentity as a brand asset (not a liability)Confidence as a learnable skillInside vs. outside strategies for driving changePointy brands vs. circle brandsReclaiming your category instead of running from it (Lazy-Boy example)Why trying to convince everyone is exhausting—and ineffectiveHow to express your positioning so the right audience recognizes youLinks to Additional Resources:Victoria Carrington Chávez – Lilac & AspenCover Brand Spotify Playlist – Featuring cover songs mentioned on the podcastApplied Brand Science – https://appliedbrandscience.comIf you’re building a personal brand, launching a business, or navigating an industry where you don’t see yourself represented, this episode will help you focus your energy where it actually works. Apply these insights to sharpen your positioning, attract the right audience, and build recognition without burning out trying to win over everyone.Curious how brand science can reshape your strategy? Visit appliedbrandscience.com for deeper dives and practical tools.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more conversations where music meets marketing and identity meets evidence. Share this episode with someone who needs the reminder: you don’t have to convince everyone. You just have to resonate with the right ones.Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How does a small marketing agency grow when buyers struggle to tell agencies apart?In this episode, Ethan Decker and Megan Bortner explore the mechanics of differentiation in B2B services. They discuss why most agencies are comparable in the eyes of buyers, how growth comes from acquiring more customers rather than creating extreme loyalty, and why focus is often more powerful than breadth.You’ll hear how narrowing into a vertical or capability can increase memorability, and why distinctive brand assets—color, sound, mascot, tone—matter even in serious B2B categories.If you run an agency, consultancy, or service business, this episode offers a grounded look at what actually makes you easier to choose.Main TopicsWhy most agencies appear interchangeableThe Double Jeopardy Law and small brand growthMental availability in B2B marketingVertical specialization vs. capability specializationDistinctive brand assets in service businessesWhy fitting the category can make you invisibleExamples of strong brand distinctiveness (Netflix, Aflac, Starbucks, Salesforce)Yeti as a premium brand case studyHow to think about Big B vs. Little B brandingBrands and References MentionedLabyrinth Digital – https://labyrinth.digital/Netflix – https://www.netflix.comAflac – https://www.aflac.comStarbucks – https://www.starbucks.comSalesforce – https://www.salesforce.comYeti – https://www.yeti.comCover Brand Spotify Playlist – https://open.spotify.com/playlist/coverbrandIf you’re running a small agency and wondering how to compete with larger players, this episode is a practical look at what actually drives growth: focus, reach, and distinctiveness.Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do you know if your personal frustration is a real market opportunity?In this episode, Ethan Decker and Tatyana Huseynova unpack the early thinking behind a niche consumer product idea in the outdoor sports space. The problem is specific. The category is crowded. The need is under-addressed.The discussion covers how to evaluate demand, where to find early signals of interest, how to think about market size without perfect data, and how branding can create differentiation in a space full of generic alternatives. If you’ve ever considered launching a product based on your own experience, this episode offers a grounded look at what to do next—and what to test before you invest too much time or money.Main TopicsIdentifying unmet needs through lived experienceNiche CPG opportunities in saturated marketsQualitative vs. quantitative market researchHow to size a potential market before launchingPremium branding in everyday product categoriesYeti coolers and value-based pricingStanley tumblers and functional repositioningGender gaps in product design (tampons, athletic gear, crash test dummies)When to build a lifestyle brand vs. a scalable CPG companyExpanding from a niche solution into a broader brand platformBrands and References MentionedMozilla – https://www.mozilla.orgFirefox – https://www.mozilla.org/firefoxYeti – https://www.yeti.comStanley – https://www.stanley1913.comVolvo (vehicle safety and crash test models) – https://www.volvocars.comNeptune Mountaineering – https://neptunemountaineering.comChristy Sports – https://www.christysports.comCover Brand Spotify Playlist (cover songs mentioned on the podcast): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/coverbrandIf you’re sitting on a product idea that solves a problem you’ve personally experienced, this episode is worth your time. The key question isn’t whether the idea is clever. It’s whether enough people share the problem—and whether you can build something better, not just different.Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Thinking about moving your brand upmarket? This episode is a masterclass in how luxury actually works. Ethan Decker and Christy O’Connor explore what separates premium and luxury brands from the rest, how affluent customers think and behave, and why white-glove service is as much about systems as it is about personal attention.You’ll learn how luxury brands signal value through design and behavior, why personalization beats automation when it’s done right, how AI can support high-touch experiences behind the scenes, and when a full rebrand is worth the risk. Ideal for founders, consultants, marketers, and service businesses looking to elevate their brand without losing credibility—or their minds.Main TopicsThe difference between mid-market, premium, and luxury price tiersPsychographics of luxury and super-premium customersWhy luxury brands increase value instead of discountingThe “luxury playbook” used by brands like Hermes, Gucci, and Louis VuittonBrand “body language” and why visuals communicate before wordsHigh-touch service vs automation (and where AI actually helps)Preference management, personalization, and bespoke experiencesGift-driven purchasing and couple dynamics in luxury buyingWhen to renovate a brand vs tear it down and rebrandBrand equity as “home equity”: don’t destroy what still has valueWhy memorability beats differentiation in most marketsBrands, Examples & References MentionedHermès – Luxury retail playbookGucci – Premium brand experience standardsLouis Vuitton – Luxury retail signalingBugatti – Ultra-luxury brand cuesBalenciaga – Fashion luxury aestheticsMichelin-Star Restaurants (e.g., Frasca Food & Wine, Boulder) – High-touch service examplesLa-Z-Boy – Brand equity and thoughtful rebrandingCoca-Cola – Market penetration exampleVolkswagen Touareg – Naming and memorability cautionary taleSaturday Night Live – Luxury advertising parody (playbook recognition)Luxury isn’t about being louder or fancier—it’s about making people feel understood, remembered, and cared for. The systems do the work so the experience feels effortless.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Brand people love novelty.Buyers… not so much.In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan sits down with Sebastian Hidalgo, co-founder of Durindal, to talk about why some brands endure while others keep tripping over their own “fresh ideas.”The conversation opens with AC/DC (as all serious brand conversations should), and the famous Angus Young quote about having 13 albums that sound exactly the same. Which, it turns out, is one of the clearest explanations of brand consistency you’ll ever hear.From there, Ethan and Sebastian connect the dots between music, memory, and market reality—why brands that “stay in their lane” are easier to remember, easier to buy, and harder to replace. They also dig into defense tech, B2B branding, and why credibility is built through repetition, not reinvention.This episode is a reminder that most branding mistakes don’t come from doing too little—they come from changing too much.Main TopicsWhy AC/DC is secretly a branding masterclassConsistency vs. creativity (and why it’s a false tradeoff)What marketers misunderstand about “getting bored” with their own brandHow credibility is built in defense tech and other high-stakes B2B categoriesWhy brands don’t need to surprise people—they need to be recognizableThe danger of confusing internal fatigue with external wear-outBrands, Tools & References MentionedAC/DC — the accidental case study in brand consistencyCoca-Cola — no one complains it tastes the same every yearDurindal — Sebastian Hidalgo’s defense tech consulting firm - https://www.durindal.com/Cover Brand Covers Playlist (Spotify) https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6h4QzTqrtn9DIAPvdn1iCIWho This Episode Is ForBrand leaders tempted to “refresh” things that are already workingB2B and defense tech marketers navigating trust-driven categoriesAnyone who’s ever said, “We need something new” without being able to explain whyFinal TakeawayIf people recognize your brand, you’re doing something right.If they’re bored of it… that might just be you.Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Most brands spend a fortune polishing what customers see.Very few think about what customers hear.In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan sits down with Shez Mehra—DJ turned multisensory troublemaker—to unpack why sound is one of the most overlooked (and most powerful) tools in branding.From marble bathrooms with zero acoustic privacy to forgettable ads no one is watching, Shez and Ethan make the case that sound isn’t decoration. It’s strategy.And spoiler alert: most brands are leaving massive value on the table.Main TopicsHow a DJ career became brand strategySound is how brands make people feelThe most neglected moments matter mostWhy most ads are technically “fine” and strategically invisibleCategory sameness can be a trapStanding out doesn’t mean being loud.Sonic branding isn’t just for adsBrands, tools & references mentionedRaina — multisensory sound and music design for physical spacesHonk Mobile — parking app example of thoughtful sound UXNokia ringtone — proof that repetition + sound = memoryArby’s — “We have the meats” as sonic branding done rightDomino’s — great ads, forgotten slogan (because silence)Disney — line design as part of the experienceIf you want people to remember your brand when they’re not looking at it, you’d better think about how it sounds.Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Most marketing teams are still trying to choose sides: brand or performance, creativity or data, vibes or dashboards.That’s adorable. And wildly inefficient.On this episode of Cover Brand, I sit down with Casey Hill of Do What Works to unpack how demand actually gets created, why SEO is still misunderstood, and how A/B testing at massive scale reveals what marketers think works versus what actually does.We dig into why common forms of social proof often backfire, how attribution models oversimplify human behavior, and why buyers don’t experience marketing in funnels—they experience it like real people with context, memory, and skepticism.This is a shop-talk episode for anyone who’s tired of chasing short-term wins that quietly erode long-term growth.Main TopicsWhy brand and performance aren’t opposites (they’re roommates)How DoWhatWorks analyzes thousands of real A/B tests across major brandsWhat SEO really does (and doesn’t do) for demand creationWhy common social proof elements (logo bars, star ratings, badges) often lose testsThe danger of cheap signals vs. costly, credible proofAttribution models vs. how humans actually decideWhy removing “best practices” sometimes improves conversionHow personalization and relevance beat generic “impressive” brandingExamples & Case Studies DiscussedJotform — removing third-party review badges improved performanceDropbox — logo bars tested and removed despite “impressive” clientsClay — logo bars linked to detailed case studies performed betterSpotify — full homepage rebrand testingSage — industry- and company-size-based homepage personalizationHotels.com — experimentation and trust signal optimizationAt-scale testing references: Nike, Disney, Netflix, NFL, MLBResources & ReferencesDoWhatWorks (Casey’s company & testing platform): https://www.dowhatworks.ioDoWhatWorks Insights & Research: https://www.dowhatworks.io/blogDoWhatWorks Newsletter (Substack): https://dowhatworks.substack.comCasey Hill on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseyhillWayback Machine (Web Archive) — historical website versions: https://web.archive.orgReview & Social Proof Platforms Referenced:G2 — https://www.g2.comCapterra — https://www.capterra.comTrustpilot — https://www.trustpilot.comBook Referenced: Influence by Robert CialdiniCover Brand Spotify Playlist (cover songs mentioned on the show): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6h4QzTqrtn9DIAPvdn1iCI?si=tr1zrnnBSaqif-xmEIpaZQWho This Episode Is ForFounders wondering why growth stalls the second spend slowsMarketers stuck between “brand people” and “performance people”SEO leaders tired of being treated like technical supportAnyone suspicious that “best practices” are mostly just habits with good PRFinal TakeawayYou don’t optimize your way into being remembered.You build memory—and then performance finally has something to stand on.Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ready to make your brand stand out in a noisy market? This episode is packed with strategies for entrepreneurs and marketers looking to build unforgettable brands. Matteo Schaffner shares the journey of launching "Minga," a freeze dried fruit brand rooted in Latin American community and sustainability, while Ethan Decker delivers science-backed insights on what makes brand identity truly memorable. Learn the secret to choosing distinctive names, colors, and packaging, and why having a backstory powers internal brand culture. Ideal for founders, brand strategists, and anyone looking to add unique value to a commodity product. Listen for practical examples, creative brainstorming, and expert branding advice that can take your project from idea to iconic.Optimize your brand for recognition and recall, discover how being different can be your strongest asset, and get inspired by real-world stories of brand innovation.Main Topics:The importance of brand identity ("Big B" vs "Little B" brand)The process and challenges in building a consumer brand from raw materialsFreeze dried vs dehydrated fruit: differentiating your productHow to choose standout brand names, logos, and colorsMaking your packaging do the heavy lifting in retail and online environmentsWhy your brand backstory matters—and who it’s really forDistinctiveness vs relevance: Defying category conventions for brand successReal-world branding examples (Starbucks, Geico, Apple, Theo, Panda Cheese)Practical advice for testing and refining brand elements in marketLinks to Additional Resources:Cover Brand Spotify Playlist – Featuring cover songs mentioned on the podcastTheo Chocolate – Example chocolate brand discussedAll the Things You Are history.If you’re launching a new consumer brand or refreshing your current identity, this episode is a must-listen! Apply these insights to stand out from competitors and build lasting customer recognition. Curious about how brand science can transform your business? Visit appliedbrandscience.com for deeper dives and resources. Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do you grow a medical practice that stands out—while staying true to your values and meeting untapped patient needs? In this episode, Ethan Decker and Krista Michener dive deep into the business and branding of integrative health. Krista reveals how she evolved AHP Integrative Health from a self-pay clinic for uninsured communities to a sought-after healing destination for chronic Lyme and more. She and Ethan unpack actionable strategies for marketing in a niche medical field, the power of segmentation and targeting, and why modeling your business after cross-industry examples can accelerate your growth. If you’re a healthcare provider, entrepreneur, or anyone looking to scale purposefully, this episode will give you the tools and confidence to market smarter, build your tribe, and design a business you love. Listen for practical insights you can implement right now to grow your service-based brand, clarify your positioning, and future-proof your operations.Main Topics Covered:How AHP Integrative Health blends alternative and traditional medicineKrista’s shift from affordable care to integrative healing—rooted in her local Amish and farmer communitiesManaging growth: Stopping marketing, hiring challenges, and scaling responsiblyMarketing strategies for niche medical practices (chronic Lyme expertise, multi-state reach)Leveraging business models from other industries (the “white label” approach)How to find and connect with mentors to model your business on successOutsourcing and “buying back your time” so you can focus on your strengthsOvercoming limiting beliefs—owning your value as a providerActionable next steps for medical entrepreneurs and business ownersLinks to Additional Resources:AHP Integrative HealthBooks Mentioned: Buy Back Your Time by Dan MartellInternational Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS)Business Model Inspiration: What is White Labeling? (Investopedia)Ready to create a more impactful, sustainable brand? Reflect on your business model, reach out to an industry mentor, and start taking small steps toward your vision today. If you enjoy the episode, share your favorite insight on social and tag us!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you a service-based business or financial advisor looking to break through to your next level of growth—without losing what makes your work special? This week's episode of Cover Brand is for you. Debbie Huttner of Pearl Wealth joins Ethan Decker for a candid conversation about growing a high-trust business through reputation, authenticity, and the courage to simply ask for referrals from delighted clients. Discover how “branding” extends far beyond logos and colors—it's woven into every interaction, every touchpoint, and every reputation-building move you make. You’ll learn actionable strategies for leveraging your existing community, getting comfortable with outreach, and how subtle brand cues can elevate your premium service. Whether you’re aiming to attract high-net-worth clients or simply want to scale your impact, this episode delivers mindset shifts and practical tactics to help you succeed.Main Topics Covered:The real definition of branding—and why it’s more than your logoTurning your reputation into a powerful growth engineHow to leverage events, thought leadership, and simple outreach as effective marketing (without ever running a traditional ad)Moving beyond “asking feels awkward”—scripted steps to successfully ask for referralsTactics for integrating the right “brand touches” into your client experience, from office ambiance to giftingBuilding ambitious (even “impossible”) growth goals—and breaking past hesitation to reach themLinks to Additional Resources:Pearl Wealth: Learn more about Debbie Huttner’s award-winning servicesThe Science of Scaling: The book referenced by Debbie on setting ambitious goalsReady to transform your reputation into rocket fuel for your business? Start by getting clear on your unique value—and take the next step to ask for those game-changing referrals. Want extra tips? Reach out at pearlwealth.net or connect with us via appliedbrandscience.com!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When it comes to branding and marketing, are you getting lost in the latest TikTok craze or AI-generated hype? Or are you focused on the tried-and-true fundamentals that actually move the needle? In this must-listen episode, brand strategist Jonathan James joins Ethan Decker to unravel the science behind what makes brands truly memorable—and what you should STOP wasting your time on.You’ll learn the difference between "Big B" brand and "little b" brand, why video testimonials can supercharge your growth, and how leveraging social proof transformsskeptical buyers into loyal fans. From product strategy and pricing to champagne-fueled relationship-building, discover the essential branding moves you need to master in today’s complex landscape.Whether you're leading a startup, scaling a mid-size company, or just want to get smarter about branding, this episode delivers actionable brand science you can use now to boost trust, credibility, and sales.Main Topics CoveredTimeless branding principles vs. fleeting marketing trendsThe power of social proof & video testimonials in sales and brand trust"Big M" marketing vs. "little m" marketing—what really drives growth?Brand reputation: Why delivery trumps flashy adsHow likability and storytelling can win you more businessPersonal branding: Using unique “calling cards” to stand out (champagne, chocolate & more)Tactical vs. strategic branding: Adapting to different business sizes and stagesHow word-of-mouth and earned media still outperform traditional commsLinks to Additional ResourcesHybrency — Explore Jonathan James' strategic consulting servicesChampagne Strategy Podcast —Jonathan James' podcast on business, branding, and of course, champagneBook: "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" by Robert CialdiniTony’s Chocolonely — The chocolate brand referenced in the episodeReady to level up your brand with strategies that actually work? Take action now: audit your website for genuine social proof, revamp your client proposal process with testimonials, or pick a “signature” detail that sets you apart (just like champagne or chocolate!). And if your team is ready for real brand science training, visit appliedbrandscience.com for resources and more.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ready to separate branding fact from fiction? In this lively, insightful episode, Ethan Decker and special guest Charles Swann—founder of Forage—cut through the industry hype around AI, hyper-personalization, and what consumers actually want from brands. Learn the science behind authentic connections, why hyper-personalized ads might be hurting instead of helping, and the timeless power of marketing that speaks to values without over specification. Discover actionable strategies for creating content that resonates, stands out, and earns real trust in crowded digital spaces.If you want to boost your brand’s impact, avoid common pitfalls, and future-proof your marketing with both the latest tools and timeless truths, this is an episode you can’t afford to miss.Bullet Points of Main TopicsThe classic and emotional power of cover songs (Johnny Cash’s "Hurt" and what makes a cover sticky)Introduction to Forage, a next-gen AI tool for social listening and cultural insightWhy AI and hyper-personalization often miss the mark with real consumersThe myth of "hyper-personalized ads" and what audiences truly valueThe power imbalance between brands and consumers in data usageAuthenticity: why it’s more important than ever in the age of AI and influencer marketingCommunity-level vs. individual-level brand targeting strategiesPractical examples of marketing missteps and successes—from influencers to merch to Super Bowl adsKey lessons on human cognition, intention, and the science of brand trustHow to build brands that people want to engage with (and why most people still block ads)Links to Additional ResourcesCover Brand Covers playlist on Spotify – Listen to all the cover songs discussed in each episodeletsforage.com – Learn more about Forage, Charles Swann’s culture and brand insights platformCharles Swann on LinkedIn – Follow for insights and updatesTheory of Presentation of Self in Everyday Life by Erving GoffmanAre you ready to ditch tired marketing strategies and bring authentic, science-backed methods to your branding? Listen now to level up your understanding, connect with your audience like never before, and turn every interaction into a brand-building moment.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Have you ever struggled to find the balance between hard data and creative intuition in your marketing decisions? In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker sits down with Daniel Rauchwerger, a Miami-based marketing strategist, to unpack one of the industry’s most timely dilemmas: when to trust your gut and when to rely on data. Together, they examine how expertise is built, why even so-called “experts” need to keep testing their instincts, and how embracing uncertainty can fuel better campaigns and brand growth. If you want to sharpen your decision-making and build healthier brand strategies, this conversation is packed with insights you can put into practice today.Main Topics Covered:The search for creativity: How Daniel’s song quest mirrors the marketer’s journeyData vs. gut: Why confidence and certainty drive marketing choicesTraining your instincts: Developing expertise and avoiding intuition trapsLessons from campaign successes (and failures)Navigating risk in a competitive healthcare marketUnpredictability in branding: Why marketing is harder than rocket scienceHow to balance evidence and experimentation in ad campaignsPractical advice for young marketers entering the industryLinks to Additional Resources:Cover Brand Cover Songs Playlist on SpotifyMarketersJudgmentAboutDBAs.pdfMarketersIntuitionAdEffectiveness-Hartnett2016.pdfBook: "Everything is Obvious" by Duncan J. WattsReady to build brand strategies on solid ground? Listen now to discover actionable ways to strengthen your instincts and leverage data for smarter marketing decisions. Check out the resources and start balancing your creative gut with evidence that delivers results.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you obsessed with finding the perfect tagline for your business—or not sure if you even need one? Join branding expert Ethan Decker and guest Jenny Desmond, founder of Vive Mas Tours, for an energetic conversation about what makes a tagline work. Discover why most taglines fail, which literary tricks make phrases stick, and how to create messaging that your audience will actually use to describe your brand. Jenny shares the specific branding challenges she faced while expanding from Cuba to Colombia, and Ethan gives actionable advice for creating a tagline that not only explains your business but inspires word-of-mouth. Tune in and walk away with a toolkit of creative, fun, and scientific branding solutions designed to make your company unforgettable.Main Topics Covered:The importance (and limitations) of taglines in brandingKey elements that make a tagline memorable and effectiveBranding challenges of expanding into new markets (Cuba to Colombia)Targeting a niche audience—travel for 55+ adventurersUsing literary devices (rhyme, alliteration, couplets) to craft sticky taglinesReal-world examples of famous taglines (FedEx, Taco Bell, Arby’s, Band-Aid)Why getting feedback from real customers is essential to messagingCreative brainstorming tips for developing your brand’s taglineBalancing explanation and creativity in messagingEncouragement to test and revise taglines with your audienceLinks to Additional Resources:Vive Mas Tours – Learn more about Jenny's cultural and birdwatching toursArby’s “We Have the Meats” Campaign – Iconic tagline inspirationReady to create a tagline that truly works for your business? Share your favorite takeaways from this episode and brainstorm your next big tagline. Invite real customers to join the process—and remember, sometimes all it takes is a mojito and a fresh playlist to spark your best ideas.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you struggling to make your brand stand out in today’s noisy digital landscape? Join Ethan Decker and guest Laura Diral as they dive into the art and science of brand salience—how to rise above the competition and capture attention, even if your product isn’t flashy. Laura shares firsthand experience managing social media for an IT company and her surprising inspiration from fashion brands. Ethan provides actionable tips for B2B marketers, including using entertainment, humanized content, and sticky creative ideas to create memorable campaigns. If you want to learn how to turn your social media and content strategy into a powerful vehicle for awareness and recall, this episode will inspire you to think differently—and start seeing results. Perfect for marketers, entrepreneurs, and anyone in need of a salience boost!Main Topics Covered:Why brand awareness and salience are essential for growthRethinking the traditional marketing funnel in the age of content overloadCreative approaches to stand out in B2B industriesBorrowing strategies from fashion and entertainment to make brands “sticky”The importance of consistency in branding elements (logo, color, character)Using opposites and humor as memorable campaign ideasBalancing relevance and memorability in marketing communicationsBuilding brand equity over timeLinks to Additional Resources:Geico’s Gecko Campaign – Example mentioned in the showMissoni Official Site – Fashion as inspirationReady to elevate your brand? Put these creative ideas into action to boost your brand’s salience and turn awareness into long-term success. Experiment with memorable content and consistent branding, and don’t be afraid to borrow from outside your industry. For more inspiration, visit appliedbrandscience.com and join our community of brand builders.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the On Brand season finale, contestants pitch campaigns for Therabody, rebranding the percussive massage gun for a broader audience beyond athletes. The challenge: make it “edgy, fun, and for everyone.” The result: creative panic, moaning sound effects, and a few genuinely insightful lessons about audience, positioning, and tone.Ethan and Laura break down what this episode teaches about the messy intersection of art and science in branding—how clarity beats cleverness, how risk creates attention, and how even the best ideas can wobble when the brief (or the nerves) go sideways.Main Topics Covered:When “edgy” really means “please get attention without scaring us”How Theragun became Therabody—and why names matterWhat happens when contestants mix two good ideas into one messy pitchWhy funny ≠ effective (and how tone changes brand meaning)Sonic branding: why your tagline has to be heard, not just readThe tension between creative freedom and client controlWhy Bianca’s stress-relief concept worked—and what it teaches about universalityFinal thoughts on the On Brand season: what TV got right (and wrong) about marketingPremium Stickiness Award:“Stress Will Find a Way Out.”A clever, human truth—stress will find an outlet. It’s just better if it’s a massage gun, not your coworker’s laptop.Tune in for the finale episode of Cover Brand Covers On Brand, where Ethan and Laura mix brand science with a splash of reality TV chaos. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and send your favorite campaign from the season to [email protected] for a shot at some Applied Brand Science merch.Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com#TeamBianca #TeamRyan Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Curious about how the world’s most buzzworthy trends explode overnight—or why your brand messaging sometimes falls flat? In this episode of Cover Brand, Evante Daniels joins host Ethan Decker for a thought-provoking exploration of brand science and the hidden forces driving success in today’s marketing landscape. Unpacking real-world examples—from Kelly Clarkson’s powerhouse covers to the seismic shifts in DEI and ESG—Evante reveals how intention, context, and even our nervous systems shape the popularity and effectiveness of brands.Whether you’re a marketer, business owner, or trend-watcher, you’ll learn how to go beyond “guesswork” by applying data-driven, neuroscience-backed strategies to your campaigns. Discover why understanding context is crucial, how cultural trends cascade through networks, and how to create unforgettable, human-centric brand experiences. Perfect for anyone ready to elevate their impact and harness the science behind what truly moves people.Main Topics:Why Kelly Clarkson’s cover of Billie Eilish’s “Happier Than Ever” goes viral—lessons in audience connection and vocal powerThe explosive rise (and retreat) of DEI and ESG in business: tracing cultural shifts through neuroscience and trend analysisInside Seeqer: Applying intelligence, quantum physics, and human factors to brand strategyHow context—not just content—determines which ideas and campaigns succeedThe power of nervous system entrainment: synchronizing experiences for supercharged brand engagementRedesigning events and ads with neuroscience—how “the vibe” trumps traditional messagingTactical tips: creating brand experiences that foster community, joy, and lasting influenceLinks to Additional Resources:Seeqer: Intelligence FirmEvante Daniels on LinkedInBlackRock ESG Integration StatementReady to transform your brand strategy with science, context, and that “it factor” that sparks real connection? Dive into this episode to learn how you can decode trends, leverage neuroscience, and build messaging that resonates—body and mind. Don’t miss Evante’s insider tips to make your brand unforgettable!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What do you do when your client wants a viral digital series—but actually just wants expensive commercials? This week, Ethan and Laura break down On Brand Episode 7, where KitchenAid challenges contestants to create a digital campaign for their new KitchenAid Go cordless appliances. The duo explores the brand science behind product positioning, the power (and peril) of iconic products, and why understanding your audience and occasion matters more than any brief.They dive into how brand storytelling can go wrong when clients confuse entertainment with advertising, how pressure stifles creativity, and what KitchenAid’s “No Cords Attached” challenge teaches marketers about staying grounded in audience truth.Main Topics Covered:The double-edged sword of iconic products like the KitchenAid stand mixerWhy “cordless” isn’t always the benefit you think it isThe difference between occasions and demographics when defining a marketHow to handle clients who ask for what they don’t actually wantThe danger of confusing brand storytelling with product placementWhy psychological safety beats panic for creative performanceThe art of winning over clients (without “pushing back”)When good ideas die because the client or culture isn’t readyWhat Jennifer Garner taught us about brand fluency and the value of a good spokespersonPremium Stickiness Award: “Unplugged and Unleashed.”It wasn’t the perfect pitch, but it nailed the insight: freedom is the fantasy. Even when your product’s power source changes, your story still has to plug into something human.Tune in for a lesson in brand briefs, client psychology, and the fine line between “digital series” and “expensive ads.” Subscribe to Cover Brand wherever you get your podcasts, and follow this special On Brand mini-series as Ethan and Laura decode the weird, wild world of reality TV marketing.Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com#TeamBianca #TeamPyper Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ready to turn your creative skills into a thriving business? In this episode of Cover Brand, host Ethan Decker chats with multi-talented musician and vocal coach Amy Biondo about personal branding, crafting a unique market position, and strategies that make your service irresistible to high-end clients.Discover why selling an experience is more powerful than selling a product, how to identify and own your perfect "occasion," and what you can borrow from the world’s luxury brands—even if you’re a small-scale performer, service provider, or entrepreneur. Amy reveals the branding challenges and wins from her own career (including a clever approach to set apart her duo), while Ethan digs deep into marketing psychology, tiered positioning, and creating word-of-mouth magic. Whether you’re a musician, creative, or freelancer, you’ll walk away with practical steps to help you become the go-to name in your niche.Main Topics CoveredKeys to crafting an irresistible personal or business brand“Vibe marketing” and selling experiences – not just servicesDeciding on a niche and using “occasion-based” marketingBranding lessons from luxury brands and high-end hospitalityCreating client-focused messaging to spark imagination and bookingsNaming, logos, and promotional strategies that stickBuilding word-of-mouth and making it easy for fans to share your storyLinks to Additional ResourcesCoverBrand Covers – Official Spotify Playlist (For all cover songs mentioned on the podcast)Amy Biondo’s Website & MusicInspired to elevate your brand? Start by mapping out the key occasions or experiences that make your work unique, then identify what high-end brands are doing and “steal their playbook.” Step into your premium positioning, create a simple and powerful handout, and ask your happiest clients to spread the word. Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What happens when you’re tasked with “making the Doughboy relevant again”? In this episode, Ethan and Laura unpack the Pillsbury challenge from On Brand, where contestants must introduce the classic mascot to a “new generation of bakers.” The duo dives deep into the science of brand mascots—what makes them memorable, how they evolve, and why some (like the Duolingo Owl) thrive by going full chaos while others play it too safe.They also explore how brand characters work as mental shortcuts in consumer brains, why over-sanitizing your mascot kills storytelling, and what happens when a brief asks for “everything, everywhere, all at once.”Main Topics Covered:The brand science of mascots: consistency, storytelling, and emotional cuesWhy old mascots can (and should) appeal to young audiencesThe risk and reward of killing—or reviving—your mascot (RIP Mr. Peanut)The importance of giving characters character—conflict, flaws, and stakesDuolingo Owl vs. Doughboy: chaos vs. comfortWhen briefs go rogue: the danger of asking for a “small activation” that’s secretly a global campaignThe perils of bad focus groups and why marketers shouldn’t count votes in a room of 10“New generation of bakers”—what that really means (and doesn’t)How “There’s Dough Place Like Home” rebrands nostalgia for modern audiencesPremium Stickiness Award: “There’s Dough Place Like Home.”Simple, nostalgic, and just clever enough to work. It’s not reinvention—it’s reinforcement. Proof that even 60-year-old mascots can stick if you give them a little story and a lot of heart.Tune in for a deep dive into brand mascots, modern marketing myths, and the fine art of keeping your brand fresh without throwing out what makes it lovable. Subscribe to Cover Brand wherever you get your podcasts—and keep following our On Brand mini-series for more reality TV, real lessons, and just the right amount of brand nerdiness.Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is showing your brand’s “behind the scenes” essential to business success—or just a passing trend? On this episode of Cover Brand, host Ethan Decker sits down with Bishop Fox’s Michele Blazier and Arissa Kirkland for a lively discussion at the crossroads of authenticity, professionalism, and marketing effectiveness. They dive into real-world examples, from Taylor Swift’s unfiltered album documentaries to the disciplined polish of iconic brands like Nike and Prada.If you’re wondering whether your company should pull back the curtain and get real with your audience, you’ll gain actionable insight on what works (and what doesn’t!) for B2B and B2C brands alike. This episode will help you determine when to leverage raw, human storytelling versus when to maintain a refined, polished image—plus how to test what feels right for your customers. Tune in to learn how to make your brand both memorable and trustworthy.Main Topics CoveredThe pros and cons of behind-the-scenes content for brandsAuthenticity vs. professionalism: Striking the right balanceAre “unfiltered” moments a must-have or a marketing lever?Real-world brand case studies: Taylor Swift, Nike, Salesforce, Prada, FentyHow to decide if less-polished content fits your brand and audienceThe importance of getting feedback and testing new content formatsThe role of consistency and authenticity in brand marketingKey marketing “laws” and “levers” to help your business growLinks to Additional ResourcesBishop FoxTaylor Swift – Folklore DocumentaryNike’s 2023 Super Bowl AdSalesforce BrandingReady to level up your brand strategy? Try experimenting with authentic, behind-the-scenes content—and measure your audience’s response. Think about where your brand sits on the spectrum between raw storytelling and polished professionalism, then test what resonates. Want expert help? Head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into proven brand science principles!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then editing with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this week’s On Brand breakdown, Captain Morgan’s marketing team throws down one of the toughest challenges yet: make a Super Bowl campaign that will go viral nearly a year in advance. Ethan and Laura dive into why this kind of brief sets creatives up for chaos, and how understanding your audience—what they drink, where they watch, and how they connect—makes all the difference.They also break down brand science lessons around distinctiveness, consistency, and creative stretch:Why Captain Morgan’s mustache might not be as iconic as they think (but could be)How viral marketing myths still haunt brand teamsThe psychology of “big ideas” that expand across channels and cultureAnd what makes a campaign truly sticky—not just loud.Main Topics Covered:Why “make it viral” is a creative nightmareHow research (or lack of it) shapes good briefsThe reality of Gen Z drinking habits and media behaviorUnderstanding brand assets: what’s truly distinctive vs. what’s wishful thinkingHow the best ideas grow “legs” and evolve across touchpointsLessons from Captain Morgan, Diageo, and KFC on risk, timing, and creativityPremium Stickiness Award: “Captain… Morgan.”A simple, shoutable call-and-response that anyone can play—fun, familiar, and flexible. Sometimes the stickiest ideas are the ones you already know how to do.Listen for a crash course in briefs, branding, and the beautiful disaster of trying to go viral on purpose. Subscribe to Cover Brand wherever you get your podcasts, and keep following the On Brand mini-series as we turn marketing chaos into brand science clarity.Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com#TeamFreeze #TeamMustache Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Vanity metrics like follower counts and impressions might make your digital dashboards sizzle, but do they actually move your brand forward? In this episode of Cover Brand, host Ethan Decker and guest Crys Kelly dive deep into the challenges marketers face when clients get fixated on the wrong data. Learn how to distinguish between “traps” (easy but useless metrics) and “treasures” (harder-to-measure, game-changing insights). Discover Ethan’s psychologically savvy “Data Grid” framework, proven tactics for gently persuading stakeholders, and creative ways to make the shift stick. Whether you’re a brand manager, marketer, or agency partner, this episode will help you cut through the noise and champion data that truly makes a difference.Main Topics Covered:Brian Justin Crumb’s cover of Alanis Morissette’s “Uninvited” and what makes musical crossovers magicalCrys Kelly’s experience connecting brand data and strategy in the agency worldWhy brands often chase vanity metrics—and the pitfalls of focusing on impressions or follower countsThe “Data Grid” framework: Tools, Treasures, Traps, and TeasesHow to persuade clients and colleagues to value meaningful metrics over vanity statsPsychological approaches and playful tactics (like the “Fabio of Metrics”) to reframe conversations around dataThe power of relatable brand role models in shifting KPI focusAdvice for agency and brand teams to align on what really mattersLinks to Additional Resources:Who Gives a Crap – The Brand Mentioned in This EpisodeRead more about Stephen Covey’s 2x2 MatrixRory Sutherland on Behavioral Science in MarketingCover Brand Playlist on SpotifyTraps & Treasures Matrix Ready to move your brand (or your clients) beyond vanity metrics and into growth that matters? Listen in for practical frameworks and real-world examples you can start using today! Want a copy of Ethan’s Data Grid? Go to appliedbrandscience.com for resources, visuals, and tools to guide your strategy meetings.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What happens when Sonic asks for a year-round beverage that could go viral and sell a million units? You get an episode filled with cold brew, crackable cups, cowboy hats, and a surprising amount of brand science.Ethan and Laura dissect the Sonic brief — part innovation challenge, part chaos generator — and explore what it teaches us about balancing creativity with scalability. They dive into why some “big ideas” break in the real world, how brand repetition beats originality, and why operational limits can be the secret ingredient in a good campaign.Main Topics Covered:The Sonic brief: product innovation meets brand storytellingWhy “make it viral” is the marketing equivalent of “just add sparkle”The danger of overcomplicating great ideas (a.k.a. bacon bits in drinks)Pickles, cold brew, and the weird logic of summer campaignsWhen a brilliant idea dies in the drive-thru — operational feasibility 101The Apple paradox: execution > inventionFast followers, slow thinkers — how copying can still winHow research beats panic: the Bianca vs. Sabrina face-offWhat Sonic teaches us about frequency, traffic, and repeat customersWhy “footfall” is the secret KPI most marketers forgetPremium Stickiness Award:The Bourbon Caramel Cold Brew.Fun to say, easy to remember, and nearly impossible not to hum. A little country, a little caffeine — the perfect mix of catchy and caffeinated.From jingles to Java, this episode is a crash course in turning “viral dreams” into viable brand ideas. Tune in to Cover Brand wherever you get your podcasts, and keep following our On Brand mini-series for more lessons from the wild world where reality TV meets real marketing.Think of this as brand strategy with a side of reality TV popcorn. Subscribe to Cover Brand for this special On Brand series, and share it with your marketing friends who secretly binge reality TV “for research.”Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com#TeamBianca #TeamMahiri #TeamRyan #OnBrand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Launching a new brand can feel overwhelming—but what if you're bringing an entirely new product to a crowded market? This episode of Cover Brand dives into the branding and positioning challenges faced by Joel Grabois, a media expert and founder of Blue Onion Media, as he launches Sweet Stack Media: the industry’s first AI-enhanced media planning toolkit.Alongside stories of his journey from musician to media maven, Joel shares the thinking behind using memorable, category-breaking branding (think pancakes, not pixels!) and discusses why connecting your brand with customer needs trumps talking about features.Host Ethan Decker delivers expert guidance on market segmentation, the “jobs to be done” framework, positioning strategy, and how to harness metaphors to make your brand instantly sticky and irresistible. If you’re wrestling with how to launch, differentiate, or explain a new offering—or just want to be inspired by creative brand thinking—this episode is your launchpad to brand brilliance.Tune in to learn how to:Cut through the noise with distinctive, memorable brand identitiesPosition your product using audience needs—not just featuresApply the “job to be done” approach for sharper brand strategyUse metaphors and context to make your value instantly clearNavigate branding challenges for AI, SaaS, and service brandsLearn from real-world examples and expert adviceMain Topics:The story behind launching Sweet Stack Media, an AI-driven media planning toolThe importance of category-breaking branding in a crowded marketplaceHow to position new products: Segmentation, needs, and “jobs to be done”Messaging that focuses on customer benefits—beyond just featuresMaking your brand memorable through metaphor, context, and creativityBuilding flexible agencies for the evolving landscape of marketing teamsReal-world challenges in introducing AI-powered services to SMBsThe role of creativity (and even music) in strategic brandingLinks to Additional Resources:Blue Onion MediaApril Dunford on PositioningJobs to be Done TheoryReady to build a brand that stands out and speaks directly to your audience’s needs? Apply the strategies shared in this episode—think outside your category, go beyond features, and frame your solution in a way your ideal client instantly understands. Check out the resources above and share your biggest branding challenge with us on social media!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We’re back with another special edition of Cover Brand Covers On Brand—where Ethan Decker and co-host Laura Dodds break down Jimmy Fallon’s reality-meets-marketing series On Brand. This week’s client? Marshalls, the off-price retailer trying to convince America that discount shopping can still feel designer.Together, Ethan and Laura unpack the creative chaos behind the Marshalls challenge: how do you sell “premium” without losing your value vibe? From GlamBots to pop-up closets, they explore what makes an activation actually on-brand, why some ideas shine on the runway but flop on the street, and how to balance creativity with client comfort zones.This Week;In this week’s On Brand breakdown, Ethan and Laura dive into Episode 3—where contestants pitch a “premium fashion” campaign for Marshalls. The brief? Showcase value and style, with a live Manhattan activation and digital billboard to match.The conversation covers why most discount brands look—and sound—the same, what happens when agencies chase cleverness over clarity, and how subtle cues (like lighting, color, and composition) can make a campaign click. Ethan drops some brand science along the way, explaining why availability often beats originality, why you don’t actually need a tagline, and how small differences (like a blue carpet vs. a glam cam) can shape perception in a big way.Main Topics Covered:The Marshalls brief: premium feel vs. value priceWhy similar brands (TJ Maxx, Ross, Burlington) blur together—and how to stand outThe real reason McDonald’s wins (hint: it’s not the burgers)Taglines: nice-to-have lever, not a lawHow customers really choose brands (spoiler: open hours > brand values)Mahari’s “Discover Your Style Closet” vs. Lauren’s “Spotlight Ready” GlamBotWhy simple photography beat flashy techThe psychology of risk-taking brands—and why Marshalls plays it safeWhen to explore, when to exploit (and why both matter for creative testing)Laura’s “Clueless Closet” activation—proof that 90s nostalgia never diesPremium Stickiness Award:Ryan’s “Lahmars” Boutique.A gutsy (and slightly dangerous) stunt that flipped perception: same clothes, different price, totally different value signal. Risky? Yes. Memorable? Also yes.Tune in for brand science, fashion drama, and a few dad jokes from the discount aisle. Subscribe to Cover Brand wherever you pod, and keep following this special On Brand mini-series as we decode what reality TV can teach us about real-world branding.Think of this as brand strategy with a side of reality TV popcorn. Subscribe to Cover Brand for this special On Brand series, and share it with your marketing friends who secretly binge reality TV “for research.”Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Have you ever wondered how to position your business as the “Fred Segal” of your industry and attract clients who truly value what you offer? In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker and Julianna Strickland of Space Camp Organizing pull back the curtain on branding strategies for premium services.Julianna reveals how she differentiated her home organization business in a saturated, often misunderstood market and turned quirky branding (and even legal run-ins) into a magnetic advantage. Learn proven tactics for qualifying leads, building strategic partnerships, and using “brand body language” to attract the right clients—and repel the wrong ones.Whether you’re a founder, service provider, or marketer, this candid conversation is packed with actionable advice that will help you elevate your brand and build sustainable demand.Main Topics Covered:The power of a unique brand name and memorable merchHow to handle competition in a booming industryCommunicating your value to price-sensitive clientsBuilding referral relationships with top-tier designersUsing “brand neighborhood” exercises to position your businessWhy experiential branding trumps cheap tactics (and how social proof wins)Strategies for attracting and qualifying high-value leadsMaking your service offering irresistible—even with premium pricingLinks to Additional Resources:Space Camp Organizing — Julianna Strickland’s companyApplied Brand Science — Discover more on building science-backed brandingFred Segal — Inspiration for premium boutique brandingReady to level up your service business and attract clients who value what you do? Start by building strategic partnerships, refining your branding, and embracing your unique quirks. Take Julianna’s advice—nurture those high-value referral sources and don’t be afraid to position yourself in premium brand neighborhoods!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this week’s episode of On Brand, Southwest Airlines asks contestants to pitch a campaign for their “extra legroom” rollout — and the results are equal parts wild, weird, and wonderfully teachable. Ethan and Laura analyze the pitches, debate what actually makes a good brief, and dig into brand science lessons on clarity, differentiation, and human psychology.You’ll hear why subtle differences in messaging can make or break a campaign, why clever isn’t always smart, and how “don’t make people think” applies as much to marketing as it does to airplane seating.Main Topics Covered:The power (and peril) of reading a creative brief correctly“Blue Ocean Strategy” and how Southwest built differentiation that lasted decadesWhen being clever crosses into “toilet paper math” territoryHow minor tweaks (a color, a line, a word) create major impactWhy Bianca’s “Take Up Space” campaign had heart — but drifted into orbitWhat it means for a campaign to truly have “legs” (pun absolutely intended)How the best ideas expand into airports, ads, and culture — not just PowerPoint slidesLessons from “Forget the Unexpected”: why humans love certainty and hate surprises🏆 Premium Stickiness Award:“Take Up Space.”Bold, human, and on-brand for a company built around heart. It wasn’t just about legroom — it was about belonging, confidence, and making room for people as they are. Sticky in spirit, even if it didn’t win on TV.Tune in for brand science, creative chaos, and the occasional dad joke (because Ethan). Subscribe to Cover Brand wherever you get your podcasts, and keep following this special On Brand mini-series for more reality-TV-meets-real-marketing lessons. Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com#TeamBianca #TeamMahiri #TeamRyan #OnBrand Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is your brand feeling a little stale or corporate—and you’re not sure if you should lean into a quirky mascot or a more human-focused approach? In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker welcomes Michele Blazier from Bishop Fox to break down the art and science of refreshing your brand. Together, they explore engaging marketing tactics and debate the merits of mascots versus human-centric branding. You’ll discover why character (not just “characters”) is essential, hear lessons from iconic mascots like the Geico Gecko and Duolingo Owl, and get proven tips on testing new branding ideas with clients. Tune in for lively examples, strategic guidance, and inspiration for your company’s next creative leap. If you want your brand to connect, stand out, and actually mean something to your audience, this episode is a must-listen.Main Topics Covered:The debate: Mascot branding vs. human-centric brandingAvoiding stale, corporate vibes in B2B marketingInjecting authentic character into your brand (not just using “a character”)Iconic mascot examples (Geico Gecko, Aflac Duck, Michelin Man, Duolingo Owl, Pixar’s Wall-E)How to authentically leverage street art, Easter eggs, and playful brandingWhy testing and feedback are critical for successful rebrandsStaying true to your company culture while evolving your visual identityLinks to Additional Resources:Bishop Fox – Offensive Security ExpertsPixar’s Wall-E Character AnalysisDuolingo Mascot StorySalesforce Astro CharacterReady to energize your brand? Listen to this episode for actionable insights that balance personality with professionalism—and start testing new ideas that break through the noise. Embrace experimentation, stay true to your brand DNA, and don’t be afraid to let your character shine.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What happens when Jimmy Fallon and Bozoma Saint John host a reality show about branding? Chaos, Dunkin’ coffee, and surprisingly useful lessons for marketers. In this special Cover Brand series, Ethan and Laura dissect each episode of on brand. to separate TV drama from actual brand science.This week, we meet the cast, the judges, and the first brand challenge: convincing America that Dunkin’ sells breakfast, not just donuts. From “breakfast for doers” lunch pails to decision-fatigue-fighting “breakfast handled,” we examine why some ideas worked, why others tanked, and what marketers can learn from watching a game show disguised as a brand sprint.Main Topics Covered:Why “loud” ≠ “smart” in brand strategy (sorry, Jimmy)The cast of On Brand: marketing pros, professors, and a honky-tonk MC turned brand guruDunkin’s surprisingly solid creative brief (rare unicorn alert)Why similar campaign ideas crop up all the time—and why that’s not a problemThe winning ideas: “Breakfast for Doers” vs. “Breakfast Handl’d”Merch matters: why a lunch pail might actually be smarter than a Magic 8-ballThe sticky phrase of the week: “Handl’d.”Links to Additional Resources:Watch on brand. with Jimmy Fallon on NBC/Peacock - https://www.nbc.com/on-brand-with-jimmy-fallonLearn more about Dunkin’s brand history - https://news.dunkindonuts.com/blog/dunkin-donuts-then-and-nowThink of this as brand strategy with a side of reality TV popcorn. Subscribe to Cover Brand for this special On Brand series, and share it with your marketing friends who secretly binge reality TV “for research.”Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How can your brand stay authentic when AI is generating your content? In this engaging episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker sits down with Carl Roose—founder of MindTeam AI—to talk about bridging the gap between cutting-edge technology and lasting brand identity. Using real-world examples, witty banter, and deep insights from both biology and branding, they discuss how brands (from local garages to global icons) can uphold their reputation, avoid pitfalls, and connect meaningfully with audiences—even as AI becomes the backbone of digital marketing.Listeners will leave with a more nuanced understanding of authenticity as a social construct, actionable tips on leveraging AI for their marketing without losing their brand’s soul, and a big-picture view of how brand trust is established (and sometimes broken) in today's digital world. If you want your business to stand out and resonate, this episode delivers the science, strategy, and stories you need.Main Topics Covered:The meaning and evolution of authenticity in brandingHow AI is transforming brand communication and marketing workflowsThe challenges (and myths) of maintaining an "authentic voice" with AI-generated contentThe social science behind brand trust and reputationReal-world cases: from mixtapes to Tommy Hilfiger and Dove’s “Campaign for Real Beauty”Why being “too polished” isn’t necessarily inauthentic—and when it helpsPractical advice for small businesses and consultants using AI in their marketingThe paradox of authenticity: how it’s conferred and why it’s never just self-proclaimedLinks to Additional Resources:MindTeam AI (Carl Roose’s consultancy)Ethan Decker TED Talk: “We're All in Marketing: What Evolution Tells Us About Advertising"Dove’s Campaign for Real BeautyEnjoyed this episode? Take your brand to the next level by reflecting on how your business presents itself—online and offline. Test your messaging for “social authenticity” and explore how AI can sharpen, rather than dilute, your unique voice. Got questions, or want to share your brand’s transformation? Reach out to Cover Brand for more strategies and stories.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then editing with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you struggling to communicate the unique value of a ground-breaking B2B product? In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker speaks with Billy Otteman from Scythe Robotics—a company redefining commercial landscaping with fully autonomous, all-electric mowers. Hear how Billy faces the classic innovation challenge: how do you convince a skeptical market to see value beyond the price tag? Learn about the power of simple, sticky brand cues (think “car door thunk” or lawn stripes), using emotional and cognitive shortcuts to drive decision-making, and creative demo ideas that can turn feature overload into customer delight. Whether you’re in tech, product marketing, or B2B sales, you’ll walk away with actionable lessons to simplify your message, nail ROI in seconds, and inspire your audience to come on the journey.If you want to sell shockingly new ideas, command attention in tough markets, or simply master the art (and science) of branding, this episode is for you.Main Topics Covered:The branding and sales challenges of disruptive innovationHow Scythe Robotics is changing commercial landscaping with autonomous mowersThe role of classic branding cues (like perfectly straight lawn stripes) as shortcuts to perceived qualityWhy most buyers crave easy mental shortcuts—and how to deliver themTurning technical features and ROI into emotionally resonant soundbitesLessons from Beyoncé, Dolly Parton, and Volvo’s legendary “epic split” adPractical tips for B2B storytelling and creative product demosLinks to Additional Resources:Scythe RoboticsVolvo Trucks "Epic Split" AdReady to make your brand’s value unmistakable—even when you’re changing the game? Take a page from Scythe Robotics and start leaning into the shortcuts that signal quality. Simplify your value prop, craft a sticky ROI message, and don’t forget to put some showmanship in your demos! Want help applying these strategies to your business? Visit appliedbrandscience.com for more insights and tools.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears, and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ever feel lost in a sea of marketing jargon? In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker and special guest Guillermo Saenz take the complexity out of branding and make it accessible for everyone, especially self-starters, side-hustlers, and entrepreneurs in underserved communities.Drawing on Guillermo’s experience teaching small business owners at Mi Casa Resource Center and Ethan’s deep background in brand strategy, they discuss how reputation, memorable “handles,” and even simple business cards can make or break your business. Discover why you don’t need a fancy logo to start, how pricing signals value (not just cost!), and how to make branding work for YOU—even if you don’t speak the “MBA” language. If you want practical marketing strategies rooted in real science, this episode is your playbook for growing confidence and standing out.Listen in to empower yourself with brand strategies that make a difference—no matter your starting point.Main Topics Covered:The real meaning and importance of "brand reputation" for small businessesBreaking down marketing jargon into relatable language and toolsHow to create a memorable handle, mascot, or symbol for your business—even on a shoestring budgetWhy you don’t need a perfect logo to start building your brandThe science behind pricing: how it shapes perception and valueOvercoming imposter syndrome and building confidence as an entrepreneurActionable branding tips for kitchen table and backyard businessesBusiness cards and packaging: small touches that create big impactPsychological barriers (like price fears) and how to conquer themLinks to Additional Resources:Mi Casa Resource CenterDuolingo’s Branding Case StudyTito’s Handmade Vodka Brand StoryYeti’s Pricing StrategyBranding Basics: What is a Unique Value Proposition?Ready to take the next step in your business journey? Start simple—define what you want your reputation to be, think about a memorable handle, and remember: people remember how you make them feel, not just what you sell. Don’t obsess over perfection. Get your business “out there” and let people know who you are and what you stand for.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you struggling to figure out whether it’s time to refresh your brand—or go all-in on a full rebrand? In this episode of Cover Brand, host Ethan Decker chats with Arissa Kirkland, AVP of Marketing at Bishop Fox, about the real-world triggers that should drive your branding decisions. Arissa shares how Bishop Fox evolved from the ambiguous “Stack & Lou” to an edgy, human-focused brand, and why internal vision and external market research are essential in making the right call. You'll discover the pitfalls of changing too much too fast (hello, Tropicana disaster!), the importance of aligning internal culture with external perception, and actionable tactics for balancing your “Big B” (reputation) and “Little B” (visual identity). This episode is a must-listen for entrepreneurs, marketers, and business leaders looking for practical branding strategies that drive growth and build lasting connection.Tune in if you want to—Avoid costly branding mistakesConfidently decide when and how to refresh your brandLearn how to conduct meaningful brand surveys for real insightsFuture-proof your brand while staying authenticMain Topics Covered:How to know when it’s time for a rebrand or a brand refreshLessons from famous rebranding failures and smart refreshes (Tropicana vs. Eggo)The difference between Big B (reputation, company culture) and Little B (logos, colors, visuals)The role of internal vision versus external market feedback in guiding branding changesActionable advice for running impactful brand research and surveysHow to smartly evolve your brand without losing customers or confusing your marketReal-life rebranding stories from Bishop Fox (including the origin of their unique name)Links to Additional Resources:Bishop Fox – Discover more about Arissa’s companySneakers (1992) - Marty Bishop referenceHow Tropicana’s Rebrand Failed (Fast Company)Ready to take your brand to the next level? Conduct a quick internal review of your brand’s vision, then reach out to your top customers and prospects for honest feedback. A fresh perspective could reveal critical opportunities for growth—or signal it’s time for your own brand refresh! And if you’re not sure where to start, revisit this episode for actionable tips and real-world inspiration.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do leading brands like Oreo, KFC, and Sephora manage to surprise and delight customers while remaining instantly recognizable? In this episode of CoverBrand, host Ethan Decker welcomes brand strategist Josie Ellerbee to explore the art and science of balancing stability with innovation. Josie shares insights from her 15+ year career, discussing the importance of a strong brand foundation amid the rise of AI, rampant templating, and a marketplace craving for both reliability and novelty.Listeners will discover actionable tactics—whether you run a consumer goods powerhouse, a B2B firm, or a service-based organization—to avoid the pitfalls of becoming too predictable or chaotically inconsistent. Tune in for practical strategies, fresh examples, and expert wisdom on how to make your brand stand out for the right reasons.Main Topics Covered:Why brands struggle between being too consistent (boring) or too novel (chaotic)Real-life branding wins: Oreo's celebrity collabs, KFC’s creative Colonel swaps, Cards Against Humanity’s brilliant stuntsWhen and how to refresh a brand without losing its identityThe impact of AI on branding—both for systematizing and pushing creativityHow even B2B and service brands can inject novelty without diluting their messageCreating flexible but focused brand strategies to guide innovationThe importance of brand strategy in navigating change and maintaining relevanceLinks to Additional Resources:Work with Josie. The Bear (FX TV show featuring Eddie Vedder’s cover): The Bear on HuluFeeling stuck between too much sameness and risky chaos in your branding? Want to leverage novelty without losing your brand’s core identity? This episode is your playbook. For personalized guidance, reach out to Josie Ellerbee or visit appliedbrandscience.com for more on building resilient, engaging brands in the AI era.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears, and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What makes a brand unforgettable? In this value-packed episode of Cover Brand, Ethan Decker sits down with Drew Bonder, CEO of Focus Energy, for a deep dive into the world of branding, messaging, and organizational success. Starting with a memorable story about rallying a crowd at an Eve 6 concert, Drew shares how his background in mental health shaped his approach to building sustainable, supportive environments—both for people and for brands.Listeners will discover why sticky, punchy messaging beats dry precision every time, and how to translate complex offerings into headlines that resonate. Ethan and Drew dissect real-world examples from Geico and Apple, offering actionable advice for leaders trying to connect with their audience on an emotional level. Whether you're a founder, marketer, or entrepreneur, you’ll gain insights to help you clarify your brand’s promise, boost team cohesion, and craft messages your market can’t forget.Main Topics CoveredWhy emotional benefits drive brand stickiness—far beyond features and precisionTranslating complex offers into memorable, succinct brand messagingThe journey from therapy and organizational psychology to finance and brand strategyThe importance of systems, support, and context for organizational successCrafting messaging that helps customers "underthink" your valueLessons from Geico, Apple, and other stickiest brandsAligning internal culture around a simple, clear brand promiseLinks to Additional ResourcesFocus Energy – Learn more about Drew Bonder’s teamGeico’s Iconic 15 Minutes Pitch: The Genius Behind the TaglineApple’s Most Memorable CampaignsWant to make your brand truly unforgettable—and irresistibly sticky? Focus on emotional benefits, not just features. Try distilling your story into a simple, punchy message, and watch both your customers and your team rally around it. For more examples and hands-on advice, explore our resources below or connect with Ethan and Drew directly.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 5-24: Head over to panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote for my talk: The True Cost of Being a Boring BrandThink being a great writer is enough to get published today? Think again. In this episode, host Ethan Decker welcomes Melanie Jennings, a novelist on the cusp of publishing her first fiction book, to talk honestly about what it takes to build an author brand in a crowded market. If you’ve ever wondered how to grow your audience without feeling salesy, this is your blueprint—whether you’re an introvert, poet, tech writer, or just getting started.Melanie shares her real struggles and successes using Substack, freelance journalism, and small steps on social media. Ethan provides actionable advice from the science of branding: why chasing “superfans” isn’t the only strategy, how the “banana curve” of fandom applies to authors, and what practical levers to pull across platforms to become known in your niche. If you need encouragement to showcase your work—or just a nudge to finally start sharing—this conversation will help you find your confidence (and your readers).Main Topics Covered:Real-world branding challenges for emerging authorsThe importance of building an audience before your book launchesThe “banana curve” of fandom: why not everyone will be a superfan—and why that mattersUsing platforms like Substack, freelance work, and Instagram to grow your reachOvercoming self-promotion jitters (especially for introverts and private people)How to strategically engage in communities related to your genre or subject matterPractical experimentation: Trying multiple platforms and approachesLeveraging the support of existing networks to showcase your evolving creative identityLinks to Additional Resources:Persuasion Magazine — Where Melanie’s essays went viralMelanie's Substack — Melanie’s SubstackRemarkably Bright Creatures by Shelby Van PeltEducated by Tara WestoverEmma Cline’s The GirlsReady to stop hiding your talents and start building your name? Geek out, experiment, and get your work out there—the world is waiting for your voice. Join other writers and creators boosting their brands with Cover Brand’s proven strategies.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 5-24: Head over to panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote for my talk: The True Cost of Boring Brand.Ready to energize your nonprofit branding? In this episode of Cover Brand, host Ethan Decker is joined by Chris Barge, the creative force behind the Boulder Library Foundation. Discover why reputation is everything (the "Big B" brand), how nonprofit organizations can move beyond logos and colors, and why a little bit of flash isn't just for big companies—it's essential for growth and impact.Learn from real-life examples, including viral campaigns like the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge and partnerships that bring bestselling authors to Boulder. Chris and Ethan break down the stigma around “sizzle” in the nonprofit sector and share hands-on tactics for increasing your organization's visibility and support. Whether you're a nonprofit leader, marketer, or entrepreneur, their insights will help you harness your brand's full potential and make your mission truly unforgettable!Main Topics Covered:The difference between "Big B" brand (reputation) and "Little b" brand (visuals)Branding challenges unique to nonprofits and small foundationsWhy “sizzle” and being iconic matters—even for nonprofitsFlashy nonprofit campaigns that drove real impact (like the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge)Building partnerships and hosting headline-grabbing events for a lasting profile boostStrategies to connect community passion with your organization’s identityHow to balance mission-driven values with attention-grabbing marketing tacticsAdditional Resources:Boulder Library Foundation- https://boulderlibraryfoundation.org/boulder-library-gala/ALS Ice Bucket Challenge recap - https://www.als.org/ice-bucket-challengeNational Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS) - https://www.nols.edu/en/Outward Bound - https://www.outwardbound.org/Are you ready to add more sizzle to your nonprofit brand? Take action today by brainstorming one bold idea to raise your organization’s visibility—whether that's a high-profile event, a viral campaign, or partnering with local icons. Share your thoughts or results with us on social media, and let’s keep the conversation going!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aug 5-24: Head over to panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote for my talk: The True Cost of a Boring Brand.Ever wondered why B2B buyers often seem to make emotional decisions—despite all that rational reputation? In this engaging episode, Ethan Decker welcomes Priscilla McKinney of Little Bird Marketing to the Cover Brand podcast for a deep-dive into cognitive science, branding strategy, and real-world marketing pitfalls for businesses.Learn why market research firms often skip researching their own buyers, how to harness the “sunk cost fallacy” in your sales funnel, and why helping buyers “underthink” decisions is a branding superpower. Priscilla’s anthropological approach reveals practical steps for B2B marketers to remove friction, leverage loss aversion, and appeal to the true drivers behind purchase decisions. If you want to ensure your brand stands out, connects, and ultimately converts, this episode gives you the competitive advantage you’ve been searching for.Optimize your B2B marketing and boost your brand’s effectiveness by tapping into the science of how real people make decisions.Main Topics CoveredWhy market research firms often don’t research their own prospects—and how to fix itThe disconnect between B2B logic and real buyer behaviorBehavioral science principles every B2B marketer needs to know (loss aversion, sunk cost fallacy, commitment escalation)Helping your customers “underthink” their decisions and buy from you fasterThe power of testimonials, case studies, and quality in creating trustEmotional resonance, tribal belonging, and how lifestyle branding sways even business buyersPractical frameworks for reducing decision friction and making your brand irresistibleLinks to Additional ResourcesLittle Bird Marketing – Free Marketing ResourcesPriscilla McKinney on LinkedInIf today’s episode sparked an aha moment or gave you practical steps to elevate your B2B branding, don’t keep it to yourself. Reach out to Priscilla or explore her free marketing resources to start implementing smarter, science-backed strategies in your own business. And if you’re serious about making your brand irresistible, check out other episodes and resources from Cover Brand and Applied Brand Science.Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you a consultant, agency owner, or founder whose business is synonymous with your own name and reputation? This episode of Cover Brand is packed with actionable insights on how to break that bottleneck and scale your company’s brand. Special guest Lindsay Sutula shares her firsthand experience rebranding from Satula Marketing to Top Fox to escape the “founder’s trap.” Host Ethan Decker explains how and why to create a brand succession plan—so your company becomes more than just you.Listeners will walk away with proven tactics for separating personal and company brands, the critical questions to ask as you scale, and why you don’t need to be Steve Jobs to make your brand bigger than yourself. If you want your brand to outlast and outgrow your involvement, this episode is a must-listen!Main Topics Discussed:How cover songs connect to branding and reinventionThe challenge of transitioning from a founder-led brand to a lasting company brandTop Fox Marketing’s journey from Satula Marketing and lessons learnedThe importance of brand succession planningBuilding trust and credibility as a professional services firmThe founder’s voice as both a growth engine and a potential ceilingKey strategies for scaling beyond your personal reputationReal-world examples from the music and business world (Apple, Ogilvy, Duarte)Quick wins for making your company brand more salient than your ownPractical tips you can implement right nowLinks to Additional Resources:Top Fox MarketingThe E-Myth Revisited by Michael GerberDuarte, Inc. – Communicate with ImpactSound of Silence – Disturbed CoverReady to future-proof your brand and build a business that lasts beyond your personal name? Start crafting your own brand succession plan today—whether you’re a solo consultant or looking to scale an agency. Connect with us and share your next steps, or reach out for advice on taking your brand to the next level!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Cover Brand, Ethan sits down with Eric Forsyth—a seasoned marketing strategist and agency leader—to unpack the real challenges facing creative teams today. Whether you’re working on mega-brands like Oreo and Star Wars or turnarounds for unsexy products, Eric explains why building strong internal dynamics and nurturing honest client partnerships is now more important than ever.Discover how agencies can thrive even with tight budgets, and why “safe” work might actually be costing your brand millions. Learn actionable approaches to forging genuine human connections, fostering creative bravery (without recklessness), and keeping high-pressure teams inspired. If you want to revolutionize how your agency or brand approaches marketing, this episode is packed with the actionable insights you need.Main Topics Covered:The power of great cover songs (and why Eric recorded them in his bathroom!)The art of instrumental covers and honoring creative originalsHow to build and nurture client-agency relationships under pressureWhy strong internal culture matters—and how it leads to better workBreaking down the myth of “safe” creative: the high cost of dull advertisingThe importance of human connection in fast-paced, high-stakes marketingActionable strategies for agency and brand leaders to foster innovation on tight budgetsUsing data and science to make a case for creative, effective workThe critical balance of empathy for clients and consumers at every stageLinks to Additional Resources:The Cost of Dull Report – Eat Big Fish & System1Warren Berger – A More Beautiful QuestionLittle Horse Vintage Books & Records – Boulder, COReady to break through the noise and create memorable, effective marketing? Take Eric and Ethan’s advice: invest in your people, ask better questions, and choose creativity over “dull” every time. Start by strengthening your client and team relationships—today!Subscribe to Cover Brand for more insights into the world of branding and marketing. Share this episode with a friend who could benefit from these strategies, and head over to appliedbrandscience.com to dive deeper into the principles of brand science. Your success starts here!Castmagic and Descript used to create drafts and then edited with human eyes, ears and hands. Produced by BiCurean.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.