Curiouser & Curiouser

Tennisha Martin has five master's degrees, a doctorate in progress, founded one of the most important communities in cybersecurity, and will be the first to tell you that none of it mattered until she stopped trying to do it alone. In this episode, Mo and Tennisha get into AI bias, why the systems being built today are only as good as the people building them, and what it actually takes to break into a field that wasn't designed for everyone.🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcastFollow the show so you don’t miss the next episode.New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

David Wendt spent 30 years building models for Fortune 100 companies before stepping away from the keyboard entirely to focus on AI governance. He also happens to be a Dungeon Master, and it turns out those two things have more in common than you'd think. Mo and David get into red teaming, what good metrics look like in a probabilistic system, why you should probably stop measuring AI and start measuring outcomes, and what we actually owe the workers whose roles are being quietly restructured. 🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcastFollow the show so you don’t miss the next episode.New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

Diana Kelley has spent four decades in security watching AI go from a Dartmouth conference to an avalanche. Now CISO at Noma Security, she joins Mo to break down why the LLM is not your guardrail, why agentic AI is exposing hygiene debt you already knew you had, and why misplaced trust in these systems is the real vulnerability. 🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcastFollow the show so you don’t miss the next episode.New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

Most countries talk about digital trust. Estonia built it into the architecture.Joseph Carson, Chief Security Evangelist and Advisory CISO at Segura, has spent 23 years living through Estonia's digital transformation from the inside. In this episode, he and Mo get into what it actually takes to engineer trust at a national scale, what went wrong along the way, and why the lessons from a small Baltic nation matter more than ever right now.Joseph also previews his talk at RSA Conference 2026, "From Cyber War to a Digital Nation: Estonia's Playbook for Resilience."🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcastFollow the show so you don’t miss the next episode.New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

AI governance sounds straightforward until you try to actually do it.In this episode, Mo talks with Laura Powell, Senior Director of Partnerships at LatticeFlow AI, about the messy reality of building AI systems organizations can actually trust. They discuss translating responsible AI principles into technical controls, why many systems never make it into production, and how teams should think about risk as agentic AI systems become more common.🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcastFollow the show so you don’t miss the next episode.New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

Agentic AI is moving fast. So are the risks.Mo talks with Steve Wilson (Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and Founder and Co-chair of the OWASP GenAI Security Project) about OWASP’s approach to agentic AI security, including prompt injection, guardrails, and what it means to keep humans in the loop as agents scale.🔗 OWASP GenAI Project: https://genai.owasp.org 📘 The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security (O’Reilly): https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/the-developers-playbook/9781098162191/🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcastFollow the show so you don’t miss the next episode.New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.

AI is moving fast, but good judgment still takes time. In this premiere episode, Mo Sadek and Julie Tsai explore AI, security, and why curiosity and human perspective still matter as technology scales.🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcastFollow the show so you don’t miss the next episode.New episodes every two weeks. Stay curious.