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This episode of CyberHackCast features Winn Schwartau in a wide-ranging, philosophical discussion that moves from the early, experimental days of cybersecurity to today’s hyper-commercialized landscape—and into his current work on “cognitive security.” Schwartau argues that the biggest threat facing defenders isn’t just technical, but cognitive: overwhelming information flows that push humans into “mental DDoS.” He introduces the concept of “critical ignoring” as a prerequisite to critical thinking, framing cybersecurity, biology, and human cognition as interconnected systems governed by OODA loops. The conversation culminates in a provocative question: are we already experiencing a “cognitive Pearl Harbor,” where belief systems – not infrastructure – are the true attack surface?SHOW NOTES:Things Mentioned:Winn's website: https://www.winnschwartau.com/The Cognitive Security Institute: https://www.cognitivesecurityinstitute.org/Upcoming CYBR.SEC.Community events: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/conference/CYBR.SEC.Careers: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cybr-sec-careers/about/ fundraisers:Cards for a Cause: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cybr-sec-careers_cybrseccareers-nonprofit-cybersecurity-activity-7436794892787359744-v4CzEpisode 13 Timestamps:00:00 – 06:00 — Intro + Community updatesHosts (Michael Farnham, Philip Wiley) open with banter and promote CyberHackCon, speakers, and CyberSecCareers nonprofit workforce initiatives.06:00 – 14:00 — Schwartau’s origin storyFrom fixing TVs as a kid to early work in computing and security in the 1980s. Emphasis on “tabula rasa” era—no rules, everything experimental.14:00 – 20:00 — Early cybersecurity vs. todayDiscussion on how innovation has been constrained by VC pressure, commercialization, and loss of “garage-level” experimentation.20:00 – 28:00 — Transition to cognitive securitySchwartau explains his shift from traditional cybersecurity to studying cognition, neurophysics, and system-level survival models.28:00 – 40:00 — “Critical ignoring” vs. critical thinkingCore thesis: humans cannot process all incoming information. Filtering (ignoring) must come before analysis, or we enter cognitive overload (“mental DDoS”).40:00 – 50:00 — Parallels to SOC operationsHosts connect ideas to alert fatigue and AI-driven SOC tooling—reducing noise to enable meaningful analysis.50:00 – 60:00 — OODA loops and time-based realityEverything—cyber, biology, cognition—operates in delayed reaction loops. We are always reacting to the past.60:00 – 70:00 — Cognitive overload and misinformationExploration of disinformation, narrative formation, and limits of human processing in modern environments.70:00 – End — “Cognitive Pearl Harbor”Schwartau poses the central question: has a large-scale cognitive attack already occurred? Discussion spans individual, enterprise, and societal levels.Do you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected] Keep up with CYBR.SEC.CON.:LinkedInX

In this episode of CYBR.HAK.CAST, hosts Phil Wylie and Michael Farnum sit down with Fergus Hay, CEO and co-founder of The Hacking Games, to explore how the cybersecurity industry is overlooking a massive pool of untapped talent: young gamers. Hay shares how his journey began not from a technical background but from concern as a parent, after learning that many cybercriminals are recruited from gaming communities. The conversation dives into the need to reframe hacking as a creative, problem-solving mindset rather than purely criminal behavior, the strong overlap between gamers and hackers, and why traditional cybersecurity training fails to connect with Gen Z. Together, they discuss how engaging kids within gaming environments — rather than restricting them — can help guide them toward ethical hacking and ultimately strengthen the future cybersecurity workforce.SHOW NOTES:Things Mentioned:The Hacking Games: https://www.thehackinggames.com/Upcoming CYBR.SEC.Community events: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/conference/CYBR.SEC.Careers: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cybr-sec-careers/about/ fundraisers:Cards for a Cause: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cybr-sec-careers_cybrseccareers-nonprofit-cybersecurity-activity-7436794892787359744-v4CzCYBR CLAY SHOOT: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cybr-sec-careers_cybrclayshoot-cybersecurity-cybercareers-activity-7435353518951084033-1iw9Proceeds support CYBR.SEC.Careers mission is to build a strong, diverse workforce by providing career exposure, access to education and certifications, and mentorship for students and veterans pursuing careers in cybersecurity.Episode 12 Timestamps:0:00 – 1:25Intro, conference chatter, Zero Trust World recap, RSA mentions1:25 – 3:30Guest intro: Fergus Hay + early discussion about hacker culture and community3:30 – 5:00CYBR.HAK.CON promotion (lineup, CFPs, community focus)5:00 – 7:30Fergus origin story + founding of The Hacking GamesNot technical backgroundParental motivationDiscovery: kids are being groomed via gaming platforms7:30 – 9:30Parenting + real-world exposureControlled gaming environments still vulnerableGrooming realityQuestion: regulate vs guide kids9:30 – 12:00Reframing hackingMedia failure“Hacker = criminal” narrative problemHacking as a mindset, not a crime12:00 – 14:00Gamers = hackers pipelinePattern recognitionNeurodiversityAlan Turing + Enigma analogy14:00 – 16:00Gaming as a training ground3.2B gamers93% of Gen Z gaming“Gaming is a live laboratory”16:00 – 18:30The Hacking Games modelGen Z teaching Gen ZAuthenticity over corporate trainingYouth-led cy

The software supply chain has quietly become one of the most critical — and least controlled — risk areas in cybersecurity. But according to industry veteran Theresa Lanowitz, that’s starting to change, driven by a surprising source: the CEO. In this episode of CYBR.HAK.CAST, she and hosts Michael Farnum and Phillip Wylie trace the evolution of today’s software risk landscape back to decades-old challenges in application security, where development and security teams often operated in silos. While tooling has improved and DevSecOps has gained traction, many of the same underlying problems persist, only now they’re amplified by AI and global software dependencies.SHOW NOTES:Things Mentioned:Upcoming CYBR.SEC.Community events: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/conference/CYBR.SEC.Careers: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cybr-sec-careers/about/ fundraisers:Cards for a Cause: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cybr-sec-careers_cybrseccareers-nonprofit-cybersecurity-activity-7436794892787359744-v4CzCYBR CLAY SHOOT: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cybr-sec-careers_cybrclayshoot-cybersecurity-cybercareers-activity-7435353518951084033-1iw9Proceeds support CYBR.SEC.Careers mission is to build a strong, diverse workforce by providing career exposure, access to education and certifications, and mentorship for students and veterans pursuing careers in cybersecurity.Episode 11 Timestamps03:30 – 08:00 – Theresa Lanowitz’s background: early IoT, Sun Microsystems, Gartner, AT&T08:00 – 15:00 – Application security history and the developer vs. security disconnect15:00 – 20:00 – Evolution from SQL injection to AI-era prompt injection risks20:00 – 30:00 – Software supply chain risks, third-party dependencies, and open source challenges30:00 – 36:00 – AI’s role in expanding the attack surface and introducing new vulnerabilities36:00 – 42:00 – CEO awareness and why supply chain risk is now a board-level issue42:00 – 48:00 – Real-world anecdote: “checkbox security” and vendor trust pitfalls48:00 – 55:00 – Hardware supply chain risks, chips, and critical infrastructure exposure55:00 – End – AI, OWASP guidance, and the path forward for securing the supply chainDo you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected] Keep up with CYBR.SEC.CON.:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramKeep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:LinkedInX<

In this episode of CYBR.HAK.CAST, hosts Michael Farnum and Phil Wylie talk with Chris Glanden, founder and CEO of Barcode and co-founder of the Cyber Circus Network, about his unconventional path into cybersecurity, his passion for storytelling, and the creative projects he’s bringing to the industry. Glanden discusses how storytelling can help explain cybersecurity issues to broader audiences through documentaries and narrative podcasts, including his films about AI and transhumanist hacker Len Noe. Glanden also introduces GhostLine, a privacy-focused platform that anonymizes video and voice in real time for interviews, journalists, and whistleblowers, and previews his new narrative podcast series “Fallout,” which dramatizes real incidents where AI systems fail and examines their human consequences.SHOW NOTES:Things Mentioned:His career so far: https://pr0ph-1t.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/CG_CV.pdfHis website: https://pr0ph-1t.com/Upcoming CYBR.SEC.Community events: https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/conference/CYBR.SEC.Careers: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cybr-sec-careers/about/ fundraisers:Cards for a Cause: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cybr-sec-careers_cybrseccareers-nonprofit-cybersecurity-activity-7436794892787359744-v4CzCYBR CLAY SHOOT: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cybr-sec-careers_cybrclayshoot-cybersecurity-cybercareers-activity-7435353518951084033-1iw9Proceeds support CYBR.SEC.Careers mission is to build a strong, diverse workforce by providing career exposure, access to education and certifications, and mentorship for students and veterans pursuing careers in cybersecurity.EPISODE 10 Timestamps:5:30 – 10:30 | Chris Glanden’s background and origin storyGlanden describes starting in film school before leaving to support his family, entering IT through a cable company support job, and eventually building a career in technology and cybersecurity.10:30 – 15:30 | Transition from IT into cybersecurityAfter years in IT support roles, Glanden transitions into security around 2012 after joining a newly formed security team at a bank and attending Hacker Halted, where he becomes immersed in hacker culture.15:30 – 18:30 | Consulting career and launching Barcode podcastGlanden moves into cybersecurity consulting before launching the Barcode podcast during COVID-19, taking advantage of remote accessibility to interview major security figures.18:30 – 21:30 | Cybersecurity career path discussionThe hosts discuss the importance of IT experience before entering cybersecurity, emphasizing that security roles typically require foundational technology knowledge.21:30 – 29:00 | Documentary filmmaking and storytelling in cybersecurityGlanden explains his interest in filmmaking, including his documentary on AI weaponization and his latest documentary about transhumanist hacker Len Noe.29:00 – 31:00 | Film festival screenings and documentary distributionThe documentary has been screened at Black Hat, Hacker Halted

In this episode of CYBR.HAK.CAST, hosts Phil and Michael are joined by Kevin Pentecost (Information Security Director at SMP and co-host of the Cyber Distortion podcast) and Jason Popillion (Founder & CEO of Cipher Nova and co-host of Cyber Distortion). Things Mentioned:AI chatbots and digital companions are reshaping emotional connection - https://www.apa.org/monitor/2026/01-02/trends-digital-ai-relationships-emotional-connectionMeta Patented AI That Takes Over Your Account When You Die, Keeps Posting Forever - https://futurism.com/future-society/meta-patented-ai-die-keeps-postingAI griefbots could change how we mourn — but there are serious risks ahead - https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-griefbots-could-change-how-we-mourn-but-there-are-serious-risks-aheadOpenClaw founder Peter Steinberger joins OpenAI - https://mashable.com/article/openclaw-founder-peter-steinberger-joins-openaiCyber Distortion Podcast - https://cyberdistortionpodcast.comCYBR.HAK.CON. - https://www.cybrhakcon.com/  Do you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected]  Keep up with Our Events:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramKeep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramCheck out our other show:CYBR.SEC.CASTCheck out our Conferences and Events:CYBR.SEC.CON.OT.SEC.CON.CYBR.HAK.CON.EXEC.SEC.CON.CSC User GroupSupport CYBR.SEC.Careers Non-Profit EffortsCYBR.SEC.CareersApply to the CYBR.SEC.Careers ScholarshipTaylor Austin Broussard Memorial Scholarship Thank you to our Media Partners:Barcode Podcast - https://www.barcodesecurity.com/podcastCyber Distortion Podcast - https://cyberdistortionpodcast.comKill Chain Radio - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/len-noe_coming-soon-activity-7427353254482755584-7ZSP/?utm_so

Michael and Phil welcome Justin “Hutch” Hutchens to the show this week to discuss AI-driven attacks, automated social engineering, and other emerging threats. Things Mentioned:Living off the AI: The Next Evolution of Attacker Tradecraft - https://www.securityweek.com/living-off-the-ai-the-next-evolution-of-attacker-tradecraft/Rise of the Machines: A Project Zero Trust Story by George Finney - https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Rise+of+the+Machines%3A+A+Project+Zero+Trust+Story-p-9781394303724The Phoenix Project by Gene Kim, George Spafford, and Kevin Behr - https://itrevolution.com/product/the-phoenix-project/The Language of Deception: Weaponizing Next Generation AI - https://www.wiley.com/en-fr/The+Language+of+Deception%3A+Weaponizing+Next+Generation+AI-p-9781394222544HOU.SEC.CON. 2019 Talk - https://vimeo.com/333014760?fl=ls&fe=ecHOU.SEC.CON. 2021 Talk - https://vimeo.com/641934552?share=copy&fl=cl&fe=ciHOU.SEC.CON. 2022 Talk - https://vimeo.com/766078135?share=copy&fl=cl&fe=ciHOU.SEC.CON. 2024 Talk - https://youtu.be/OfVctfWL5Fw?si=ESPwa-XjAMKXeoXIhttps://www.sociosploit.comDo you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected] Keep up with Our Events:LinkedInXFacebookInstagram Keep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramCheck out our other show:CYBR.SEC.CASTCheck out our Conferences and Events:CYBR.SEC.CON.OT.SEC.CON.CYBR.HAK.CON.EXEC.SEC.CON.CSC User GroupSupport CYBR.SEC.Careers Non-Profit EffortsCYBR.SEC.CareersApply to the CYBR.SEC.Careers ScholarshipTaylor Austin Broussard Memorial ScholarshipSubscribe to the podcast: AppleSpotifyThank you to our Media Partners:

Michael and Phil are joined this week by Jason Haddix, CEO of Arcanum Information Security and CYBR.HAK.CON. keynote speaker. They discuss his career journey from early underground hacking to leading offensive security teams, the importance of keeping pace with cloud, modern web frameworks, and AI security testing, and preview Jason’s upcoming keynote on attacking AI systems.Things Mentioned:Fake AI Chrome Extensions Steal 900K Users’ Data - https://www.darkreading.com/cloud-security/fake-ai-chrome-extensions-steal-900k-users-dataCYBR.HAK.CON. - https://www.cybrhakcon.com/   Do you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected]  Keep up with Our Events:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramKeep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramCheck out our other show:CYBR.SEC.CASTCheck out our Conferences and Events:CYBR.SEC.CON.OT.SEC.CON.CYBR.HAK.CON.EXEC.SEC.CON.CSC User GroupSupport or apply to our Scholarship Program:TAB Cyber FoundationSubscribe to the podcast: AppleSpotify In this episode:Host: Michael FarnumHost: Phillip WylieGuest: Jason HaddixProduction and editing: Lauren AndrusMusic by: Kike Gutz

Michael and Phil are chatting with Dallas Hacker Association founder and CYBR.HAK.CON. keynote speaker Dustin “Wirefall” Dykes! They talk about how Colossal Cave Adventure sparked his path into penetration testing, how improv transformed his public speaking, and why creating community matters. Things Mentioned:Want to Be a Hacker? Go To Dallas.: https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a24676415/dallas-hackers/Max Severity Ni8mare Flaw Lets Hackers Hijack n8n Servers: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/max-severity-ni8mare-flaw-lets-hackers-hijack-n8n-servers/Critical n8n Vulnerability (CVSS 10.0) Allows Unauthenticated Attackers to Take Full Control:https://thehackernews.com/2026/01/critical-n8n-vulnerability-cvss-100.html?m=1CYBR.HAK.CON. - https://www.cybrhakcon.com/   Do you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected] Keep up with Our Events:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramKeep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramCheck out our other show:CYBR.SEC.CASTCheck out our Conferences and Events:CYBR.SEC.CON.OT.SEC.CON.CYBR.HAK.CON.EXEC.SEC.CON.CSC User Group Support or apply to our Scholarship Program:TAB Cyber Foundation Subscribe to the podcast: AppleSpotifyIn this episode:Host: Michael FarnumHost: Phillip WylieGuest: Dustin “Wirefall” DykesProduction and editing: Lauren AndrusMusic by: Kike Gutz

CYBR.HAK.CAST is back with our first guest of the year, GRIDLIGHT Co-Founder, Tommy Todd! Michael and Phil chat with Tommy about positively motivating cybersecurity professionals, edge AI computing versus massive data centers, and using AI as a sounding board. Things Mentioned:US Cyber Pros Plead Guilty Over BlackCat Ransomware Activity - https://www.darkreading.com/cyber-risk/us-cyber-pros-plead-guilty-over-ransomware-activityAI quote of the day: ‘Biggest threat to a data center is on-device AI’, says Perplexity CEO Aravind Srinivas - https://www.financialexpress.com/life/technology-ai-quote-of-the-day-biggest-threat-to-a-data-center-is-on-device-ai-says-perplexity-ceo-aravind-srinivas-4096281/GRIDLIGHT - https://gridlight.aiCYBR.HAK.CON. - https://www.cybrhakcon.com/  Do you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected]  Keep up with Our Events:LinkedInXFacebookInstagram Keep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramCheck out our Conferences and Events:CYBR.SEC.CON.OT.SEC.CON.CYBR.HAK.CON.EXEC.SEC.CON.CSC User GroupSupport or apply to our Scholarship Program:TAB Cyber FoundationSubscribe to the podcast: AppleSpotifyIn this episode:Host: Michael FarnumHost: Phillip WylieGuest: Tommy ToddProduction and editing: Lauren AndrusMusic by: Kike Gutz

In the final episode of the year, CYBR.HAK.CAST hosts Michael and Phil reflect on a busy season of learning and community. They share key takeaways from recent conferences, unpack why staying alert to online scams matters more than ever, and recap a special screening of the I Am Machine documentary. Tune in for community updates, year-end reflections, and a call to action - tell us what you want to see at CYBR.HAK.CON. 2026! Email us at: [email protected] Things Mentioned:Beware: PayPal Subscriptions Abused to Send Fake Purchase Emails - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/beware-paypal-subscriptions-abused-to-send-fake-purchase-emails/North Korea-Linked Hackers steal $2.02 Billion in 2025, Leading Global Crypto Theft - https://thehackernews.com/2025/12/north-korea-linked-hackers-steal-202.htmlI Am Machine - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt38354070/?ref_=nm_ov_bio_lkCyber Circus Network - https://cybercircusnetwork.com/Inhuman Documentary - https://inhumandocumentary.com/Hack Space Con - https://www.hackspacecon.com/Hack Red Con - https://www.hackredcon.com/BSides Transylvania - https://bsidestransylvania.com/CYBR.HAK.CON. - https://www.cybrhakcon.com/  Do you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected] Keep up with Our Events:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramKeep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramCheck out our Conferences and Events:CYBR.SEC.CON.OT.SEC.CON.CYBR.HAK.CON.EXEC.SEC.CON.CSC User GroupSupport or apply to our Scholarship Program:TAB Cyber FoundationIn this episode:Host: Michael FarnumHost: Phillip WylieProduction and editing: Lauren AndrusMusic by: Kike Gutz

Michael and Phil are in Austin, TX for Cyber Marketing Con! As decades long cybersecurity practitioners, they share their unique insights on the evolving world of cybersecurity marketing, influencer engagement, and content creation. Things Mentioned:CYBR.HAK.CON.Website - https://www.cybrhakcon.comTickets - https://www.xcdsystem.com/cybrseccommunity/attendee/index.cfm?ID=3ZiIV4jSponsor - https://www.cybrhakcon.com/exhibitorsCSC User GroupUser Group Site - https://www.cscusergroup.comHoliday Party/Movie Night registration - https://www.eventbrite.com/e/csc-user-group-holiday-party-tickets-1926500227039?aff=oddtdtcreatorBlack Hat Middle East and Africa - https://blackhatmea.comCyber Marketing Con - https://www.cybermarketingconference.comDo you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected] Keep up with Our Events:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramKeep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:LinkedInXFacebookInstagramCheck out our Conferences and Events:CYBR.SEC.CON.OT.SEC.CON.CYBR.HAK.CON.EXEC.SEC.CON.CSC User GroupSupport or apply to our Scholarship Program:TAB Cyber Foundation In this episode:Host: Michael FarnumHost: Phillip WylieProduction and editing: Lauren AndrusMusic by: Kike Gutz

In this episode of CYBR.HAK.CAST, hosts Michael and Phil dive into the latest cybersecurity news and trends, including major cloud outages, the impact of automation and AI on security, and recent high-profile attacks. They discuss lessons learned from real-world incidents, the importance of securing IoT devices, and the evolving tactics of threat actors. Things Mentioned:PlushDaemon compromises network devices for adversary-in-the-middle attacks - https://www.welivesecurity.com/en/eset-research/plushdaemon-compromises-network-devices-for-adversary-in-the-middle-attacks/AI-Powered Espionage Disclosure: Industry Questions Value Of Anthropic's Postmortem - https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/ai-powered-espionage-disclosure-industry-questions-value-of-anthropics-postmortem/CISA Warns of Actively Exploited Critical Oracle Identity Manager Zero-Day Vulnerability - https://thehackernews.com/2025/11/cisa-warns-of-actively-exploited.htmlCloudflare, Azure, AWS: the striking pattern behind the outage cluster shaking the internet - https://cybernews.com/cloud/cloudflare-azure-aws-striking-pattern-outage/Invisible Gateways: The Hidden IoT Security Risk Threatening Organizations -https://www.cybrsecmedia.com/invisible-gateways-iot-security-risk/CYBR.HAK.CON.Website - https://www.cybrhakcon.comTickets - https://www.xcdsystem.com/cybrseccommunity/attendee/index.cfm?ID=3ZiIV4jSponsor - https://www.cybrhakcon.com/exhibitorsDo you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected] Keep up with Our Events:·      LinkedIn·      X·      Facebook·      InstagramKeep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:·      LinkedIn·      X·      Facebook·      InstagramCheck out our Conferences and Events:·      CYBR.SEC.CON.·      OT.SEC.CON.·      CYBR.HAK.CON.·      EXEC.SEC.CON.·      CSC User GroupSupport or apply to our Scholarship Program:·      TAB Cyber FoundationIn this episode:·      Host:

We’re thrilled to announce the launch of CYBR.HAK.CAST., a new spinoff from our popular CYBR.SEC.CAST. feed! Hosted by Michael Farnum and co-hosted by renowned penetration tester and ethical hacker Phillip Wylie, CYBR.HAK.CAST. dives deep into the world of hacking. From real-world exploits and red team tactics to the human stories behind the hackers themselves. Every guest on this show is a part of the community, bringing raw insight, experience, and a passion for breaking (and securing) things.  In this first episode Michael and Phil are joined by hacker/author/speaker/transhuman Len Noe to discuss CYBR.HAK.CON., Len’s current and upcoming projects, and the future of cybersecurity in the age of AI. Do you have a question for the hosts? Reach out to us at [email protected] Keep up with Our Events:·      LinkedIn·      X·      Facebook·      InstagramKeep up with CYBR.SEC.Media:·      LinkedIn·      X·      Facebook·      InstagramCheck out our Conferences and Events:·      CYBR.SEC.CON.·      OT.SEC.CON.·      CYBR.HAK.CON.·      EXEC.SEC.CON.·      CSC User GroupSupport or apply to our Scholarship Program:·      TAB Cyber FoundationIn this episode:·      Host: Michael Farnum·      Host: Phillip Wylie·      Guest: Len Noe·      Production and editing: Lauren Andrus·      Music by: Kike Gutz