Dating with the Gilmore Girls

We had to redo this so we are missing our bagels and our in this episode, a short on admittedly we don't have much to go on. We discuss the actress Madchen Amick, the actress playing Christopher's new love interest Sherry, whether she looks like Elle McPherson and whether her character Sherry is weird.  Whether Chris was concealing that Sherry was with him in Hartford. We talk about if Emily was acting crazy about Rory hanging out with Sherry. And we have a very important small detour to talk about Kirk's likley being a triplet. 

In this episode we start off  with what will be an issue throughout this commentary, we get way off topic repeatedly. We start with what we will throughout this episode talk about, the Dean, Rory, Jess shipping fight. Then we move to Miss Patty playing unwanted matchmaker for Lorelai, and we have a short discussion on you should and shouldn’t put your dating profiel. This is where Simon totally doesn’t admit to seeing the original Star War trilogy 60-70 times. We talk about how neither of us have ever done the Jackson trying to get Suki to move in indrectly conversation. We discuss if Rory should have gone on a date with Jess a he paid 90 dollars for her and her basket as the basket is assumed to come with a date. And then we segway and debate how he made that money in less then 6 months at Luke’s. Then we discuss how the show had been dumbing down Dean. We have a conversation about what disgusting items are in Rory’s basket that Jess ends up eating.. We have a offopic chat about when Caesar became a full character (not this episode). Then Simon has very on topic point that Kirk could totally have a twin or be part of triplets and therefore there be two other men who look exactly like him who we totally saw on the show in the early episodes were not him. We look att how the Suki and Jackson story line resolves itself. We have a extended discussion on our theories about the Kim family’s dynamics and where Mr. Kim is. And then discuss we discuss the departing character Henry Cho, what sports he plays, what his families form of Christianity is, and how his family might know the Kim’s in passing. Finally end the episode examining how Emily comments to Lorelai about Jess also show why Lorelai and her parents have such a bad relationship. Also our food was an amazing Pretzel with Goat Cheese

In this episode we start by complimenting our very authentic Chinese food (As authentic as Al’s Pancake World) , we talk about why you never ask a women how many coffees she has had in a day. Both of us talk aobut our fan theory for why Paris and Rory have been having a better relationship so far despite the how not showing a softening of the animosity that we saw in the last season due to their shared desire to ensure The Franklin is a excellent student run paper. We explain to any zoomers listening what a video store is. Simon decides to spend a minute talking about Director Paul Verhoven. We spend the majority of the episode discussing Richard’s less then admirable conduct after effectively being forced to spend a day in Star’s Hollow so that he doesn’t annoy Emily. From his comments on her breakfast (which we think leads to Luke stocking grapefruit in future episode) to her conduct at work, and how much food she orders from Al’s Pancake World, as well as his attempt to get Dean’s car he built for Rory declared unsafe. We discuss why The Franklin doing an article on small town censorship would have actually been a award winner in the early to mid 2000s. We have a little side discussion asking what bands did Richard mean when he referred to Rory not having Death Rockers as posters on her walls. We discuss about the Harvard Yale fight, Simon slightly defending Richard’s point but not his way at making it. We end discussing how we both thought this episode would have had a much darker ending when we originally saw this involving Richard.

In this episode we have a lot of straw sounds as we consume our Haagen Dazs chocolate-chocolate milk shakes. We question how Lane could go to The Rocky Horror Picture Show due to Mrs. Kim. Then Simon talks about his research into termites and which type of North American termites are destructive in the manner this episode intones is happening to the house, not the kind in Connecticut it turns out. We expand that into discussing how they wouldn’t likely be a issue for house in Connecticut, but in fact a problem in California and how it seems like its a common plot point in shows due to so many TV shows being filmed in California. We discuss PSAT scores when we were in High School. We have a small discussion about Rory and Lorelai fight about the need for a loan and asking help from Richard and Emily. We discuss whether Lorelai is being too stubborn as a whole about getting helped. We have a bit questioning the amount Lorelai is actually making as a manager of The Independence Inn. And conclude with questioning whether Emily always intended to “help” out Lorelai all so she both have something over both Lorelai and her fellow DAR members with getting it so that her organization now has a permanent meeting place at The Independence Inn.

We open the episode talking about our meal, Michelle’s pancakes and how using whole milk would mean if we sold it to him he would sue us. Simon advocates watching the non Stanley Kubrick version of the Shining. Abby disagrees. Simon goes into a diatribe about Shakespeare and how nobody in the last 60 years seems to understand Romeo and Juliet. Then we both agree that Richard II is a better play then Romeo and Juliet, it is deal with it. We discuss the choices of Rory in not revealing the kiss with Tristan after she and Dean broke up, once she was back with Dean. Likewise we talk about whether Dean should be at the rehearsal with Tristan present the general character of Tristan. We have a extended discussion of the age of Lorelai’s rebound date who we spend half the episode forgetting the name was , (his name was Paul). And then we discuss whether Paris is right to melt down due to the problems with the production of Romeo and Juliet. Simon manages to get in a One Tree Hill reference for the fact that after this episode the Tristan actor Chad Michael Murray would be the male lead of the show. We had to have noise reduction on the episode which is why it sounds slightly off.

In this episode among other things we talk about the guest star Linda Porter who plays Fran and her accomplishments outside the how. There are several parts where we talk about the owner of the Independence Inn Mia, we have several disagreements about the portrayal of her character. We talk about how Luke apparently on top of being a Buffet head is a Trekkie and based on her references to it. Lorelai is a closeted one as well. We have a slightly off topic segway about the great painting that Emily has commissioned of Rory, and even venture to guess what it cost to get the prop made for the show. We question whether Richard who is not in this episode who was mentioned having to eat at a coffee chain for dinner had to eat at Starbucks. Finally we  discuss Lorelai's tendency to take things out on other people.

We start talking about why we don't like the recipe provided in the official recipe book. Then Simon feels he must comment on the very realistic snow around Star's Hollow.  We talk of the Bracebridge dinner to be performed at the Independence Inn. Simon makes clear that pomegranates are the greatest fruit of all. We talk about Richard and Emily relationship issues and discuss how it could be affected in the arc through this episode. We discuss whether Clara the sister of Dean should have been at the Bracebridge dinner being at her oldest she is maybe just turned ten and drinking is featured at the event.  We have a extended discussion about how Richard is very happy in this episode due to him having resigned from his job in hopes it would make him happy, and how this ties to the greater arc of Richard and Emily. And then we look at how this episode sets up the beginning of Rory and Jess's relationship. Finally we look at the beginning of a trend in the show, where Lorelai obsesses over Christopher when he is seeing someone else.

An episode that gave us alot of trouble, this was our third attempt after technical difficulties and a computer change meant we lost our original recording and then the second was not saved,  Simon lost his notes so talked off the cuff.  We discuss why Sandra Day O' Conor was not a Puff and where she went to prep school.  We have a little change of subject talking about  various major guests stars who are part of the Booster Club Lorelai joins in the epsidoe. We digress to look at  Lorelai and Lukes evolving relationship. Simon is wrong about ages of the casted  Puffs except Francie. And we talk why Headmaster Charlatan had police ready at 3 AM in the morning in case anyone rang the bell of Chilton.

This episode arguably is one of the most impactful of the series as it starts up several arcs that will follow the show till its very end. Also we get Simon going on a extended speculation of Christopher’s relationship with his parents. And forgive Simon who admittedly seems to misplace events in the episode   We open with Rory and Lorelai watching as Richard and Emily Gilmore yell at each other to Lorelai’s joy and Rory’s sadness which we talk about with some humor how Richard’s remarks are aimed at Emily and here love of elite events. We go sideways for a bit commenting on the single LP of Metallica that is emblazoned on Jess Mariano’s shirt in the next scene. Then we comment on--let’s say the rather intense interest that Emily’s friends seem to have for Rory which sets up the main plot of the episode: Rory coming out to society at a Cotillion, which Lorelai and then her dad Chris are both horrified about.     We then move onto speculation on whether Rory, Lane and Dean hang regularly doing stuff like watching music related media as they are watching the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame awards. This is followed up with Abby asking Simon if he at 16 would have been as bothered as Dean is about being expected to wear a rather cumbersome Tail Suit. (Not just a tuxedo). Simon says indeed he would have and we speculate that this may in fact be the start of “Is Dean actually good for Rory arc?” Dean not being entirely on board with having to wear such a getup is not out of the question for one of his age Simon argues based on his own experiences in high school. We then move to debating if Christopher has changed and discussing Rammstein.   Our review now moves to the Big Event, the cotillion. We discuss the character of Libby and if she is seen later even though with a different name but same actress, and her rather questionable suggestion about Rory and any possible stepfathers. We then agree on how horrified we are at the musical choices and general event structure of the cotillion. Our focus now move to looking at the arrival of the major arc for many seasons, which is Richard's Job and Emily and Richard’s marriage issues. We nearly conclude where we discuss the arrival offscreen of Shari. But actually not, and then really conclude talking about how Jess is annoying Luke in a extreme way by stealing his clothes acting like him at Luke’s Diner.

A long one. We start the episode discussing the wonderful Danishes Abby made for the episode. We open with Simon showing his distate for the Sex Pistols, and then we note that its insane that boy scouts would expect a diner to serve them grilled cheese or burgers at 7:30 in the morning after having glued rocks together all night. We note that Luke suddenly gets a phone call and wonder if it means a new character will enter the show and ask while the credits run who is the new actor Milo...who?.    We move from the opening to talk about the background of the Luke Dane family and how we have a canon discontonuity with Jess the new character. As well as how much Luke contacts his extended family.  Next we have aside where we discuss late dramatic and comedy actor Leslie Nielson and introduce Jess. We look at Rory's first day at Chilton for her second year there and issues with Paris, like Paris giving her the wrong time to go to the newspaper for its first meeting.  And then how Rory runs into Max Medina who was practically left at the alter by her mother the previous episode. Simon speculates on the plumbing of Chilton.    We discuss how Rory doesn't 'wild' despite Lorelai's claims, and then look at how this episode is the first time the A plot actually doesn't involve the Gilmore girls but (for the moment) two b characters, Luke and Jess. We discuss how Luke is trying to be easy on Jess despite his desire for rules to be maintained. We discuss Rory being offered to meet with Max Medina for an article by Paris hoping to sabotage her, and Rory deciding to take it. Then wee look at how the dinner set up between Jess, Luke, Rory, Lorelai, Suki and Jackson goes badly. Simon makes a aside that he found Howl by Ginsberg to be a piece of poetry that didn't agree with him. Then we discuss how both Luke and Lorelai act horribly Lorelai trying to interfere on Luke's attempt at parenting and Luke being less then charitable about Lorelai's situation   We discuss Jess's criminal tendencies, like staling a gnome, Lorelai trying to bribe a kid, and then Rory's interview with Max. We look at Jess having mislead Rory on his suggested lack of reading abilities.  And then Luke apparently losing it over Jess being disrespectful and then forcing Jess to have some ground rules. And we then end with a discussion if Lorelai was trying to be a little too involved with Luke's parenting of Jess.

We open up our episode discussing the amazing not from the Official Cook Book scones Abby made. Then we talk about If other people figured Lorelai would sadly not walk down the Aisle with Max based on Suki and company's reactions when she calls them over the phone to say the "Weddings is off". We follow that up with Abigail saying we should have wall paper that looks like it moves with Simon suggesting he would rather go homelesss. We follow that up with  mentoning two of the guest stars in the episode and looking at their impact on the film industry. This is followed up by a more serious discussion if Rory should be interrogating Lorelai with us not fully agreeing on that topic. We move on to a more lighthearted topic about the grounds of UCLA... We mean Harvard. We debate if Lorelai is having second thoughts about her life and have a intense debate about which university her now ex fiancee Max Medina attended. Then we end noting how this episode effectively set off Lorelai's quest to buy and establish a Inn.

A episode we did really late. We talk about playing the 1,2,3 Game. Why you would hate someone if you bought them meowing cat mits. Why is Luke a bad gift giver and will remain one.  Misses Kim's presaging a LOTR meme a year before the movie trilogy adaptation was released. We have a long conversation about how Rory in her bad state following her breakup with Dean is while exasperating also is justified due to her age and never having experienced this before. We joke how Lorelai shouldn't like Indian food because of season 2. We have two segways : first, why in Simon's view Lorelai committed a felony, and second, how bad men's fashion in the 1990s.  We debate Lorelai as a teenager. Whether Rory running to the Gilmore's was fine. We have a small segway about Max and his obvious father like affection for Rory. Does Max have a point to expect Rory might know of him and Lorelai and was Lorelai selling Rory short in her not telling Rory. We discuss if Lorelai has AAA auto insurance. We realize how Lorelai confronting Dean at Dose's means that it creates a weird discontinuity in the next episode and finish looking at how Rory does a good job in admitting she was wrong. 

We start this episode off by discussing the ethics of tasting wedding cakes if you are already scheduled someone to make you a wedding cake, while we eat Ben and Jerry's as part of our date.  Why Max staying over reveals that Lorelai doesn't see a future between Lorelai and Max as Lorelai and to a lesser extent Rory keep him from watching Billy Jack with them. We discuss if you should put bruschetta in a broiler. Why has Max never been to Luke's and why Max should be able to read the menu in peace. Why Simon feels it is unrealistic that a town of 9000 people doesn't have stoplight.  Why doesn't Max mow the lawn? We discuss whether  a stepparent should be able to discipline a child. We have segway where wt talk about  the introduction of Fran, played by actress Linda Porter and her other roles. We reinforce out theory of Max coming from a large family. Simon defends Emily going to the drag club.  Chris and Lorelai and Lorelai calling him from her Bachelorette party. Why Max is right here about Lorelai, even though way too harsh. Lorelai's self deception about the wedding and the end of the engagement. 

We open the episode talking about the newspaper Lorelai may be wearing. Then Simon has a rant about Renaissance English playwrights and too many classes at Chilton on Shakespeare. We talk about Emily and Lorelai and Emily feeling slighted about finding out about Lorelai's engagement to Max by way of Sookie and imagining it as a intentional slight.  We discuss if we will have chicken Kiev at our wedding and why Simon is against it and Abby is for it and not having a big cake.  Simon talks about Barbarella and the new wave of late 60s early 70s movies in Hollywood. Why Rory is in the wrong about freaking about extra curriculars taking up her summer. We speculate that Max comes from a rather large family. The continual destructive need of both Lorelai and Emily to engage in metaphorical knifing into each other when arguing. Why chocolate preleen cookies are amazing. How it is amazing in the pre 9-11 world that Lane could finish DJing at 8 PM and leave for a flight a 9:30 PM and that is not unrealistic.  We discuss the reference to the band the Damned and their musical impact. Abby talks about speed of ketchup. We are both perplexed is Lorelai seeing Luke at her engagement party. The truce between Lorelai and and Emily. And does Max have a Master's or a PHD.

We discuss how we totally didn't make this episode after the finale of season 1. How Gilmore Girls tries to not have large breaks for summer. Why we don't have bridal magazines at our wedding. The town literally stalking Lorelai when she tells Luke about the engagement to Max.  Why does Sookie not seem to know Lorelai was back with Max. Why is Lorelai not telling her parents about the engagement. Why Simon thinks it was unlikely Rory was in the top 3% of Chilton by the end of her first year at Chilton. Why brussel sprouts are perfectly fine at a wedding and Simon is totally right. Lane being exiled to South Korea. Abby wearing the Stephanie Seymour dress to our upcoming wedding. We look at Joan and Melissa Rivers and the movie they did.  Rory wanting Dean to meet Richard and the irony o it. How its perfectly fine to wear a Victoria's Secret nighty to a party with your parents. Richard being a jerk to Dean.  And why Richard doesn't like Beeforoni. We decide don't like Twinkies, finding them tasteless. Emily showing some humility early on. And how the Gilmore's find out about Lorelai and Max's engagement by way of Sookie.

This is the finale of the first season, yes we cannot find episode 20 where we screwed up strodle, its a long episode. We start asking if Lorelai is dreaming Luke at the start of the episode, or if he is there. We discuss how we begin Lane as the show going "what do we do with Lane?". We have a discussion  if Taylor was yet meant to be a character with lore or merely a comedic element for him not trust Rory in the store and not remembering Rory's relationship with Dean. We talk about the commonality of episodes having stories for both Lorelai and Rory that are largely the exact same storyline in their own way.  We talk about what would the proper type of umbrella to defend oneself if someone breaks into your house. We cover the introduction of Dean Forester's younger sister, Clara and her actress's later accomplishment, and discuss why would Clara be at a town meeting with Dean if she is like 8 or 9 years old. We talk about the good flavors of a ring pop. Why Lorelai is "again it" . We are surprised how Taylor and Luke don't like the Troubador and the origin of Long Haired Freak. We cover the end of the Rachel relationship,  why Max is not the best for Lorelai and how is it he never met Luke before this episode. We are amazed that Chilton actually has kids capable of playing hackeysack and reveal why in our eyes its not unreal at all that a Junior runs her private school's newspaper. Rory and Dean getting back together. We discuss a totally not inappropriate reference to Kirk by Michel and then Lorelai and Max proposal. And finally was this meant to be a final episode? 

`We look at the first episode we meet the third Lorelai. That being the Richard's Mother also known as "gran" or "Trix". We talk about Lorelei's possible relation with her namesake when she was Rory's age, and then look at Tristan going on a date with Paris. We have a intense debate over when a trust should be made for someone, as well as explanations of how trusts can work. We make a slight aside for another WB show of the time that Abby didn't know about. We also have a debate about Gran deciding to not leave a trust for Lorelai and if Rory ever got her Trust. We went long on this one and had to edit alot out. 

First upload since we got married., Abby ruins the pancakes. We discuss the dynamics of Kim's antiques, Abby explain how to use a grapefruit spoon as a weapon, we discuss how there are way too many Charlie's Angels. We infer that Lorelai has a extreme variety of shoes. We look at the  first appearance of the Dragonfly Inn. We discuss how does Rory have a job at the Independence Inn. And whether Emily was right to be horrified at seeing the original place Rory and Lorelai lived in for their first 5 years in Star's Hollow. As well as when was Rachel dating Luke before? We review discuss music choices of Lane. Abby's issues with dancing. And then 2000s boy bands. Abby mocks Simon dislike of Chili fries. We discuss Lorelai's attempt at facilitating a relationship between Luke. In the end we discuss Emily's verbal attack on Lorelai over the original apartment she and Rory had at the Inn.

A update, no we didn't drop off the face of the earth. It turns out when going from Dating to Married alot of stuff can get in your way. 

We start off where the last episode left off, the break up. And start eating something Simon hates, store bought cookie dough, and aldi brand ice cream. We talka bout how Simon has never woken Abby up at exactly 6 AM in the morning. We discuss whether Rory is engaged in denial. Is Luke commiting a felony by assaulting a minor. Was Rory right to (spoiler) kiss Tristan.  We discuss how we hate the wallowing board.

We talk about the episode being late, why its late. Why Abby hates Christopher. Why he doesn't look like Billy Crudup. Why Taylor should know more about Rory and Dean. The meeting of Christopher's parents Straub and Francine with Rory. How Christopher's parents are horrible. Was Richard's talk of sacrifice appropriate and blowup. Why Simon feels Christopher's Business failed due to the tech crunch of early 2000s vs Abby saying Christopher just sucks. And how this episode informs what will happen episode 16 for Rory.

We start with a discussion of whether we like Coke at all. Whether Dean was overwhelmed by Tolstoy. Why we didn't do a 3 month anniversary. Is Tristan just obnoxious or absolutely malicious in his choice of making out at a locker. Does Rachel make sense for the supposed timeline of Gilmore Girls. How horrible was Lorelai's surprise date. How much did Dean pay for the anniversary date, and was his strong reaction to Rory not return "I love you". Then we question whether Rory's reaction to "I love you" was understandable.

We go full trad, full suits and dresses, steak dinner and of course lime fantasy supreme, and talk about how "The Donna Reed Show" is about nothing. Then was Dean correct in his desires or was Rory. Was Luke right to expect Lorelai was calling him over to find a missing chick for other reasons. Lorealai's Magazine subscription tendencies.  We end on a Cliffhanger.

We talk about the Bangles being a awesome band, and good fruit vs bad fruit. How to make a proper poptart. Why Tristan is the worst. Why none of the rich families of Hartford vaccinate. We discussLuke's apparently ancient and absent ex Rachel. We focus on Paris and the development of her character. We have a segway about the presence of superman as a creep. And Why Charles the First was poorly represented when he was put on trial in England.

We don't get takeout fries, and Dean doesn't have a motorcycle. It's really easy to tell if coffee is decaf, and Baked Alaska may or may not be worth it. There are lots of awkward moments. Beethoven is an okay movie.

We hademade our own pasta for this episode that being the handkerchief pasta with brown butter sauce, and we talk about how simon and abbby nearly burned the house down twice.  And then talk about Psycho where Simon reveals a totally not known spoiler. We discuss the begining of the development of Paris as a character, as well as Lorelai's strong adolescent tendencies. Finally we cover  the breakup of Max Medina and Lorelai, and how this episode uncover Lorelai's flaws.

First, as the title says the Santa Burger is amazing, huge improvement over last episode. We cover the beautiful episode of Forgiveness and Stuff. Showing Lorelai and Rory seeking to resolve their difference from the previous episdoe, as well as then showing how Lorelai and Emily still are still in bad straits that will be resolved when Richard Gilmore goes to the hospital. We also comment on how  if the show had been canceled mid season this episode was a perfect way to end it.

Much shorter episode then the last. In this episode we cover the days leading up to and the night of Rory's first ever dance. We look at the dynamics of Rory and Dean's developing relationship. The various insanity of the Chilton Dance, little tangents various topics had. Simon has trouble eating our date food, the mashed banana's on toast. We talk how Dean naturally has been trained to fight demons. On more serious topics we talk of the challenges of the Emily, Lorelai relationship and why parents have a right to be freaked at their kids for not coming home when expected.

An episode where we go way to long with way to many tangents. We discuss the apparent battle of Star's Hollow, if it was a battle. The right way to eat pizza. We discuss snow smelling , Abby nearly dying of the plague. We in a more serious context ask if Rory could be a better friend to Lane. We look at Dean's character development with way too many spoilers. We have way too many tangents and they go forever. We look at how this is the first non Gilmore Girl episode with Lane and Luke story line. Max and Lorelai's first date and the development of their relationship is looked at. A whole bunch of deviations on Emily and Richard.   Did we mention we have way too many tangents and this episode went way too long?

We talk about kissing, and do some. We also try to get through the junk food recipe provided by the cookbook. And both of us fail. (Are we getting to old in our mid 30s?)We have a little discussion about customer etiquette and when to pick up a chair.  Finally we discover actually popcorn with cinnamon is amazing

In this long episode we enjoy pudding, way too much pudding. We talk about whether the gifts Rory receives are good ideas. We go on a little tangent to talk about the noted celebrity chef Ina Garten, and of course a tangent about Star Trek.  We have a discussion on the emergence of Tristan as a full antagonist. Finally we look at  the development of the antagonism of Lorelai and Emily and their estranged Mother, Daughter relationship.

In this episode we have conversations about the acceptability of the love interests actions in attempting to woo their respective Gilmore Girls. Also we have wonderful meatloaf but the wrong kind of puffs. And we talk about the first, no third, no first appearance of Kirk.

On this epsiode we have a debate about whether Sookie's Magic Risoto, (which can be found in the Gilmore Girl's Official Cookbook) can work with Riesling. Simon has a take on Marlowe, and we talk about proper decorum of teachers.

On this episode we have our first item from the cook book, the Blue Berry Short Cake Sookie makes for the wedding that takes place in the episode, although apparently the recipe gives you a pound cake instead. On top of that we discuss Kirk's possible brothers. The development of Richard and Emily, and Michel and Drela as a possible couple that was not ever pursued. Note, if you have kids listening we have a not child safe discussion at the end involving circumstances of twins who married twins.

Our first episode at Chilton, in this we add a disclaimer, because we professionally didn't realize we produced this out of order, and Simon talks about Star Trek way too much.

Our totally not second attempt to do the pilot of Gilmore Girls because we screwed up the audio and went off track on our first attempt.