Blak N White with Tammy and Nathan Baart

Most people think change comes from doing the right thing.Following the policy.Using the right language.Ticking the boxes....But what if compliance is actually the thing holding us back?In this episode of Blak N White, we explore the tension between compliance and curiosity — and why one keeps systems exactly as they are, while the other creates the conditions for real change. Because compliance looks like progress… but often it’s just control, safety, and risk management dressed up as action. And when that happens, people stop asking questions. They stop reflecting. They stop growing.Curiosity, on the other hand, asks something different.It invites discomfort.It challenges assumptions.It requires us to look at ourselves, our systems, and the impact we’re having — even when it’s inconvenient.In this conversation, we unpack:How compliance shows up in organisations, schools, and leadership spacesWhy “doing the right thing” doesn’t always lead to meaningful changeThe risks of performative action and box-ticking approachesWhat curiosity looks like in practice — beyond surface-level questioningHow to move from compliance → reflection → responsibilityWhy curiosity is essential for cultural intelligence, allyship, and systems changeThis episode is an invitation to pause and ask: Am I following the rules… or doing the work? Because real change doesn’t come from compliance alone. It comes from the courage to stay curious — and the responsibility to act on what you find.If this episode challenges how you’ve been approaching the work — stay with it. That’s where growth begins!#BlakNWhite #CulturalIntelligence #Allyship #Leadership #SystemsChange

Most people think shame is part of doing this work properly. But what if shame is actually the thing keeping you stuck?In this episode of Blak N White, we unpack the difference between shame and restoration — and why confusing the two can stop real change before it even begins. When shame takes over, people don’t step forward. They shut down. They get defensive. They go quiet or they centre themselves in ways that shift the focus away from what actually matters and when that happens… nothing changes. But there is another way.Restoration doesn’t remove responsibility — it grounds it in relationship, repair, and forward movement. In this conversation, we explore:How shame shows up in allyship, leadership, and organisationsWhy shame often leads to silence, avoidance, or performative responsesThe difference between being called in… and collapsingWhat restoration looks like in practice — not just intentionHow to stay present in discomfort without centring yourselfMoving from reaction → responsibility → repairThis is about helping people do better — in ways that protect relationship, accountability, and Indigenous agency because the goal isn’t to sit in shame. It’s to restore what’s been impacted — and change how we show up moving forward.

What happens when we confuse ownership with responsibility?In this episode of Blak N White, Tammy and Nathan unpack a powerful tension shaping leadership, systems, workplaces, and everyday relationships:Ownership — a dominant Western way of beingStewardship — an Indigenous way of beingOwnership prioritises control, possession, authority, and individual entitlement. It asks, “What’s mine?” and “How do I protect or manage this?”Stewardship, through an Indigenous lens, asks something deeper: What am I responsible for caring for — even if I don’t own it?This episode explores:How ownership thinking shows up in leadership, education, organisations, and systemsWhy stewardship is relational, ethical, and grounded in obligation rather than controlThe impact each approach has on people, Country, culture, and future generationsEveryday, recognisable examples of both Ways of Being in actionThis conversation invites listeners to slow down and reflect:Where have we been taught to claim, manage, or extract — instead of care, protect, and honour?To go deeper, the Our Systems, Our Stories reflective card deck visually contrasts dominant Western conditioning with Indigenous Ways of Being, offering a practical tool for dialogue, reflection, and change.🔗 Explore the cards via Blak Ignited:https://www.blakignited.com.au/resourcesThis episode is about remembering our role as stewards — not owners — of people, systems, and the future.

What if the tension we feel in workplaces, schools, leadership, parenting, coaching and everyday life isn’t about people — but about the Ways of Being we’ve been conditioned into?In the opening episode of the new season of Blak N White, Tammy and Nathan return with deeper lived experience, sharper language, and a clearer lens to unpack one of the most defining contrasts shaping our world today:Fear — the dominant Western driverResponsibility — an Indigenous Way of BeingFear shows up as control, urgency, compliance, perfectionism, and the need to manage outcomes. It teaches us to protect systems, status, and certainty — often at the cost of relationships, wellbeing, and truth.Responsibility, through an Indigenous lens, is something entirely different. It is relational. It is grounded in accountability to people, place, and future generations. It asks not “How do I protect myself?” but “What am I responsible for here?”In this episode, Tammy and Nathan explore:How fear-based conditioning quietly shapes leadership, education, sports coaching, work, and family life.What responsibility and fear looks like.Everyday, recognisable examples of both Ways of Being in action.Why responsibility is not about blame — but about care, obligation, and integrityThis conversation sets the foundation for the season, inviting listeners to notice the systems they’ve inherited, the stories they’ve been taught, and the choices they now have.If this episode resonates, you can explore these contrasts further through the Our Systems, Our Stories reflective card deck — a visual and practical tool designed to surface dominant conditioning and re-centre Indigenous Ways of Being in real, usable ways.🔗 Explore the cards via Blak Ignited:👉 https://www.blakignited.com.au/resources This is not about choosing sides, it's about choosing a different path to walk. It’s about choosing responsibility — and understanding what that truly asks of us.

In this special bonus episode of Blak N White, Tammy and Nathan step away from the mic… instead you’ll find a dive into Zaretta Hammond's influential book, "Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain." While the title highlights teaching, the insights within extend far beyond the education sector, offering valuable applications for leaders, organizations, and individuals alike.Listen and lean in as Hammond’s key concepts are unpacked, exploring how culturally responsive practices can enhance engagement, promote inclusivity, and foster a deeper understanding of diverse perspectives in any setting. This episode is essential listening for anyone looking to cultivate an environment that values and embraces cultural differences, whether in the classroom, workplace, or community.

Get ready for a powerful new episode of Blak N White! This week, Tammy and Nathan tackle the crucial topics of stereotypes, cultural narratives, and representation. They dig into how media and schools shape—and often skew—our perceptions of identity and culture, challenging you to rethink the mainstream narratives that surround us. In this episode, Tammy and Nathan break down how these narratives impact our worldview and offer fresh perspectives on navigating and disrupting these dominant stories. Whether you’re an educator, a leader, or simply curious about the forces that influence our beliefs, this episode is packed with insights that will make you rethink and reshape your understanding of cultural representation. Don’t miss out—tune in to engage with a conversation that’s set to provoke thought, inspire change, and amplify diverse voices. Join us for a discussion that’s as enlightening as it is transformative. Links mentioned: Pathways to Belonging: Cultivating Cultural Intelligence PD on Sunshine Coast with Riley Callie Resources. Riley Callie Resources Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/rileycallieresources Blak Ignited Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/blakignited

In this new season of Blak N White, Tammy and Nathan take a step back to explore the foundational cultural reference points that have shaped their lives and perspectives. The journey begins with a gentle, yet profound conversation about the differences in their family dynamics and upbringings, offering a safe space to discuss how these early experiences have influenced their identities. As this season unfolds, prepare for an in-depth exploration of deeply personal viewpoints and experiences that have moulded the hosts' worldviews, biases, and stereotypes. This is not just a podcast—it's a transformative journey designed for anyone looking to become a more conscious and inclusive leader. It's especially valuable for leaders and educators seeking to understand perspectives different from their own lived experiences. Join us as we embark on this enlightening journey, aiming to educate, advocate, translate, and amplify Indigenous voices. Blak N White is more than just a discussion—it's a call to action for building bridges of understanding in a diverse world.

In this impactful episode of "Blak N White," Nathan and Tammy guide us through a reflection on the events of January 26th—Australia Day and Invasion Day. As the nation grapples with the dual narratives surrounding this date, we provide nuanced insights into the significance of acknowledging both perspectives. The episode primarily delves into the complexities of Men's and Women's Business within Indigenous cultures—sacred practices and responsibilities that hold deep cultural and spiritual importance. Nathan and Tammy demystify this approach, explaining why it is a vital component of Indigenous Ways of Being, Thinking, and Doing. From initiation ceremonies to women's gatherings, the hosts explore the beauty and purpose behind these cultural practices. As the conversation unfolds, attention turns towards the importance of understanding Men's and Women's Business into educational and corporate settings. The hosts share strategies on navigating these cultural nuances in schools and businesses, emphasising the need for cultural sensitivity, understanding, and collaboration. From curriculum development to workplace policies, this episode provides actionable insights for creating environments that respect and honour Indigenous traditions. Tune in to this thought-provoking episode of "Blak N White" as Nathan and Tammy lead us through a compassionate exploration of cultural tapestry, weaving together reflections on January 26th, the intricacies of Men's and Women's Business, and practical guidance on fostering cultural respect in educational and professional spheres. It's not just a conversation; it's a step towards building bridges of understanding and unity. #ReflectAndRespect

January 26th is not a day to celebrate, but do you actually know why? Join Nathan and Tammy in this episode as they discuss why and how to navigate the date. They share some actions bold and courageous leaders can take to create a psychologically safe environment as well as how to have the necessary and very critical conversations about Australia's Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples history. Ultimately, what the future we need to create might look like. #AustraliaDayIsNotADayToCelebrate, instead Live Yes! Warning: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples must view with caution as inappropriate and derogatory terms are referenced.

Welcome back to Season 2 of Blak N White! To softly kick it off, Tammy and Nathan discuss their learnings and experiences of living abroad and connecting with Indigenous perspectives across Turtle Island. They begin by reflecting on the Referendum fallout across the globe and a call to action for Allies to continue ‘the work’, turning words into action and living the ‘YES’. Similarities and differences between the Indigenous Peoples of Turtle Island (Metis, First Nations and Inuit) and Australia’s Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are discussed, including: the perceived level of acceptance of the Nation’s history and moving to actual inclusion versus still moving through truth telling. Lifestyle choices and the stronger and more valued connection to Land (Country).Engagement of Indigenous people in more extended aspects of life. Global Colonisation as opposed to what is taught about Australia’s Penal roots. Commitment to the ‘marathon’ not the spring of decolonisation and Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) work. This episode rips the bandaid off and embraces the uncomfortable conversations around privilege of Fear, status-driven behaviours and tokenism impacting diversity, equity, and inclusion of Indigenous Peoples in Australia. Not focussed solely on the problems, the building of Cultural Intelligence (CQ) – appetite, ways of being, knowing and doing – as the anecdote and opportunity to build a valuable skill for all individuals, but particularly students in today’s globally-connected world is discussed as part of decolonisation. Marri ngubady (big love) and acknowledgements to our Moari brothers and sisters as they face the regression of Indigenous inclusion as Aotearoa’s Government dials back the clock as well the Wujal Wujal community affected by recent weather events. Call to Action Reflect on what biases, assumptions, and stereotypes of Indigenous peoples that listeners have (we all have them) and how listeners include diverse perspectives in their spaces. Resources mentioned: Braiding Sweetgrass for Young Adults: Indigenous wisdom, scientific knowledge, and the teachings of plants. Written by Robin Wall Kimmerer and adapted by Monique Gray Smith. ⁠https://www.booktopia.com.au/braiding-sweetgrass-for-young-adults-robin-wall-kimmerer/book/9781728458991.html?source=pla&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkKqsBhC3ARIsAEEjuJgjlVhQgKHJHVupLIl_7Jo7PhqiqycTUjEIIbZifLl7Ug6YKJ2tfeYaAt1PEALw_wcB⁠ Wendat Cultural Centre ⁠https://museehuronwendat.ca/en/level/secondary-schools/⁠

WARNING: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples may find this podcast triggering. In a candid and eye-opening episode of "Blak N White," we delve deep into the often uncomfortable but crucial discussion of stereotypes surrounding Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. Join us as we challenge preconceived notions, scrutinize the narratives we've grown accustomed to, and question the inclusivity of educational practices - from enrolment applications to curriculum development. With a critical lens, we turn to the realm of education. We question whether many practices truly live up to the ideals of inclusivity. Through thought-provoking discussions, we explore the hidden biases within enrolment applications, institutional culture, and even curriculum content. We ask the tough questions about whether these practices inadvertently perpetuate stereotypes and hinder genuine understanding.

This episode of Blak N White delves into the nuances of understanding and engaging with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities. Join us as we break down barriers, challenge stereotypes, and explore attitudes and approaches that pave the way for meaningful connections. In a thought-provoking conversation, we confront the impact of Stereotypes on perceptions of Indigenous peoples. Together, we dissect the harmful effects of these preconceived notions and shed light on the importance of dismantling stereotypes to cultivate authentic understanding and respect. Our exploration takes us to the heart of attitude, where we delve into the significance of open-mindedness, cultural humility and the importance of psychologically safe environments. Through personal anecdotes and shared experiences, we uncover how adopting a respectful attitude can foster productive dialogue and bridge cultural gaps. Amidst these discussions, we reflect on the powerful notion that "Australia has a blak future." We explore how our society can be enriched and strengthened by understanding and embracing Aboriginal ways of being, doing, and thinking.

Join us for a soul-enriching episode of "Blak N White" as we delve into the essence of wellbeing from an Aboriginal worldview. Explore the transformative power of Connecting with Country, where we unveil the spiritual harmony between humans and the land, fostering a sense of belonging and inner peace. Discover how aligning personal values with purpose becomes a cornerstone of holistic wellness, igniting mental and emotional vitality. Uncover the beauty of fostering meaningful Relationships and Connections, essential for building a supportive network of empathy and understanding. Dive into a harmonious blend of nature, purpose, relationships, and community, and witness the interwoven threads that cultivate a vibrant tapestry of wellbeing for all. Tune in to "Blak N White" and embrace the journey to nurture your heart, mind, and spirit. Resource mentioned: The Dreaming Path: Indigenous Thinking to Change Your Life by Uncle Paul Gordon & Paul Callaghan Found here: https://www.panterapress.com.au/product/the-dreaming-path/

We often don't appreciate something until its gone or lost! In this thought-provoking episode - "Voices of Resilience" - we delve deep into the significance of Indigenous languages, exploring their vital role in self-identity, community cohesion, and the connection to Country. Join us as we shed light on the systemic barriers hindering the reawakening and revitalisation of culturally rich tongues and how they are more than just words but a vehicle for change, hope, and the overall health of Indigenous communities. We embark on a journey through the historical and cultural context of Indigenous languages, understanding how they have served and continue to serve as a cornerstone of Indigenous identity for generations. Tammy discusses the profound impact language has on self-expression, fostering a sense of belonging, and reinforcing the knowledge of ancestral customs and traditions. Moving on, we confront the challenging topic of systemic barriers that continue to pose obstacles to the resurgence of Indigenous languages; sharing insights into policies, educational structures, and societal attitudes that have perpetuated language loss and the erosion of cultural heritage. We explore the pressing need for a transformative approach to address these barriers effectively. This episode also examines how languages, when revitalized and embraced, can serve as powerful agents for change, hope, and the overall health of Indigenous communities; strengthening cultural pride, improved well-being, and socio-economic advancement within communities. The Voice referendum, a "ground-breaking" development in Indigenous rights, takes centre stage in the next segment as we discuss the implications and potential impact of the referendum on the 'action' of revitalisation. We delve into the significance of recognizing Indigenous languages in official capacities, paving the way for preservation and promoting intercultural dialogue. In the final part of the episode, we focus on the role of educators in integrating Indigenous languages into classrooms. Tammy shares techniques, resources, and best practices for incorporating Indigenous languages into mainstream education; emphasising the importance of respectful partnerships with Indigenous communities to ensure authentic and sustainable language integration. "Voices of Resilience" offers a compelling platform to understand, appreciate, and champion the reawakening and revitalization of Indigenous languages. Tune in as we celebrate the richness of Indigenous cultures, embrace linguistic diversity, and contribute to the collective movement of fostering a more inclusive and culturally vibrant world.

Join Nathan and Tammy as they engage in candid discussions about the final and vital responsibility of allyship - committing to contribution. In this thought-provoking episode, we explore how knowing one's identity, place, and purpose, along with understanding connections to self, Country, and community, play a transformative role in reconciliation. Drawing upon Indigenous ways of being and aligning them with western leadership practices, our hosts share inspiring examples and cautionary non-examples of reconciliation. By infusing these insights into real-life contexts, we reveal how allyship can become a powerful catalyst for positive change and societal growth. As you listen, prepare to challenge yourself with profound self-reflection on your cultural journey. We pose key questions that delve deep into the essence of true allyship: Are you continually doing the work? Allyship is an ongoing commitment, and we explore the importance of consistent effort in dismantling barriers and promoting inclusivity. Do you prioritise people over task completion, KPIs, metrics, or societal perceptions? True allyship centres on humanity, and we discuss the significance of prioritising people's wellbeing and dignity. Are you aware of all the inequalities and systemic barriers? Uncovering the truth requires keen observation and reliable evidence. Discover how to gain a comprehensive understanding of the challenges at hand. Do you surround yourself with diverse voices that challenge your beliefs and behaviours? Creating an inclusive space involves seeking perspectives that challenge our worldviews, leading to genuine growth and empathy. Are you comfortable? Uncomfortable conversations are crucial for transformation. We explore why stepping out of our comfort zones is essential for progress. Join us on this insightful journey as we explore the depths of allyship, discussing how taking responsibility and embracing discomfort can lead to meaningful contribution. Let's work together to build a world where reconciliation is not just a concept, but a way of life. Keywords: Allyship, commitment to contribution, identity, place, purpose, connections to self, Country, community, Indigenous ways of being, western leadership, reconciliation, positive change, inclusivity, systemic barriers, diverse perspectives, uncomfortable growth.

The concept of decolonising can be a scary process. During this episode, Tammy and Nathan speak to their own experiences of decolonisation. Two very different paths and perspectives. Together, they tackle the following questions and dive deep in to the topic. That is... What feels do you get when you hear the word decolonise? What does decolonisation mean to you? Why is decolonising important and necessary? What have been your biggest learnings on your decolonisation journey (so far)? What has or continues to be the biggest challenge with decolonising? What lessons or advice would you give to others beginning this process? Tammy as a Dharug woman, speaks to her journey of identification, her ongoing commitment to strengthening connections to and between Country, Community and Self as well as the marathon (not the sprint) of doing the work. While Nathan - a whitefella on a journey - talks of his growth, enjoyment of making mistakes to learn, the power of acceptance and learning from Indigenous knowledges. Yanladyi bulbuwul - Walking together strong as together we build a community of allies who have patience, humility and respect. This is not an episode to miss!

Tammy and Nathan continue discussing the journey of Allyship. Explaining its not an adjective or noun, rather a verb and way of being. A continual journey that one needs to commit to. This episode, five more responsibilities are discussed along with Sorry Business and the concept and meaning of time to Aboriginal people. The next 5 responsibilities include: Understand power imbalances (past and present) that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples face. Give a voice, platform and promote Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as valuable contributors. Never replace Indigenous representation with non-Indigenous peoples. Understand its a privilege to share space and time with Elders and Knowledge Keepers, particularly on Country. Commit to reciprocity - reimburse Indigenous peoples for their time, knowledge and expertise. Marri didyarigura (big thanks) to our listeners for their ongoing support. Please rate and share to help spread the word and build our community of respectful allies. Yanladyi bulbuwul - Walking together strong

Walk with Tammy and Nathan as they begin unpacking the journey towards allyship. Together, they begin introducing the 'rules of the game' so individuals understand their role (and responsibilities) as they respectfully navigate the path towards understanding and strengthening their place as an Ally. The first 5 responsibilities include: Each individual needs to engage on their own cultural journey. Listen to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples as experts on their own lived experiences and histories. Take responsibility for truth-telling. It shouldn't always come from Indigenous voices. Understand power imbalances (of past and present). Never appropriate (replicate, reproduce or repurpose) art, language or cultural practices. To help you get started on your own cultural journey, here's some documentaries that will help you begin to understand Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander knowledges as well as the ongoing effects of colonisation. Incarceration Nation First Inventors (TV Series) First Weapons (TV Series) Frontier Wars (TV Series) The Last Daughter In My Blood It Runs The Australian Dream One Plus One: The Elders (TV Series) Yanladyi bulbuwul - Walking together strong

This week's episode encourages listeners to expand their knowledge and lived experiences. Tammy and Nathan dive into questions explaining NAIDOC week and this year's theme, appropriate terminology, stereotypes and questions whether we as Australian's are surviving or thriving. Listener's homework centres around questioning the information diet - things you see, listen to or exposed to in your circles - to include Blak authors, influencers, businesses and resources. Dive in to discover and understand Blak Excellence through the following mediums. Listen: Music: www.kingstingrayofficial.com/ TEDX Talk: First Nations Burnout by Caroline Kell Radio: Triple A Let's Talk Music: thelmaplum TV: National Indigenous Television (NITV) Look: commongroundfirstnations traditional.cultural.practices dylanmooney__ jasmine_seymour_gudyung place_names_in_addresses your_green_prescription desirai.art Support Blak Business: Riley Callie Resources - for all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander educational resources and gifts. A Better Now - funding a vital Development & Leadership program for Indigenous kids. A collaboration between saltwaterfresh_creative and joewilliams_tewID.knowyourself - mentoring Aboriginal children in out-of-home care; creating a space of love, hope, and belonging to #BreakTheCycle yilay2.0 - 100% Aboriginal owned; custom apparel, signage and promotional products. BSKT Wholefoods Emma Laverty Dance - https://www.facebook.com/emmalavertydance Teaching Indigenous Perspectives in the Australian Curriculum) Read: The Dreaming Path by Paul Callaghan with Uncle Paul Gordon Indigenous Australia For Dummies by Larissa Behrendt The Welcome to Country Handbook: a guide to Indigenous Australia by Marcia Langton First Knowledges Series - focussing on various topics by a number of different authors Koori Mail National Indigenous Times Thank you so very much for your ongoing support. You can reach out to Tammy & Nathan via the following channels: Insta: misstammy_blakignited Facebook: Blak Ignited LinkedIn: Tammy Baart

WARNING: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples may find this podcast triggering. Names of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples who have passed have been used in this podcast episode. Warami! Budyari bayady’unya yagu (good to speak to you today)! Recorded on the western beach of K’Gari we discuss the island’s history, dingoes and significant dates up until the 1967 referendum. We touch briefly on the laws that sit behind stolen generations. Listeners are even given homework to determine who in their family has been born a human by Australia’s constitutional standards. Listen in as Country gets a little vocal at times, illustrating her passion and strength, while Tammy and Nathan discuss some pivotal points in what we now call Australia’s history. Including Tammy being the first generation in her family to be recognised as human at birth. Next episode we jump into some questions and answers as we take a breather from the heavier stuff. Submit yours via the Q&A link or voice message in the episode links. Marri Didyarigura (many thanks) to our listeners as we edge ever so close to 100 subscribers. We have certainly been quite overwhelmed by the plays, shares and overall support of our backyard project. If you have any feedback to make this learning better for you then please reach out via Blak Ignited Facebook page as we truly wish to walk together for a stronger future. Our children, our next generation of leaders need it! An additional resource to learn more about our nation’s Blak history: https://healingfoundation.org.au/timeline-trauma-healing-australia/

Get introduced to your hosts, Tammy and Nathan, as they dive into where this land 'we now call Australia' began. Come along on the journey as we begin walking together in two worlds. This episode is recorded on Yuggera Country. We humbly acknowledge Elders past and present and recognise we all have a role to play in shaping the future. Yanma budyari gumada, may we continue to walk with good spirit and tread lightly to create a future we can be proud of together.