Clown Spirit Podcast

In this episode of the Clown Spirit podcast, I address the growing sense of busyness and stress in modern life, and how clowning can provide us with an antidote to this. I talk a bit about the significance of spaciousness and stillness in both life and clowning, and then I bring you a grounding meditation exercise by renowned clown teacher Sky de Sela. The episode highlights the misconceptions about clowning as mere high-energy activity and emphasizes the importance of combining chaos with moments of contemplative quiet. Ultimately, the podcast provides practical advice and exercises to help integrate the principles of clowning into daily life, aiming to create both internal and external spaciousness. >>MORE ABOUT CLOWN SPIRIT VILLAGE

This episode is a look back at one of my favorite Clownversation guests: Tweedy, the renowned British clown. The conversation covers Tweedy's career path, starting from his early inspirations and his unexpected shift from animation to clowning. It delves into Tweedy's experiences performing in various settings including Gifford Circus, mainstream theatre, and notable shows like 'Waiting for Godot.' The discussion highlights the evolution of his acts, the impact of COVID-19 on his performances, and his philosophy on clowning. The script also touches on Tweedy's interactions with other renowned clowns and directors, as well as his celebrity fans. The conversation wraps up with insights into his upcoming projects and the unique blend of traditional and contemporary styles in his work.

In this episode, I chat with Nora Bateson about the power of possibility—how it's woven through the connections between people, places, and organisms. Nora's work spans a range of fields, from art and filmmaking to writing and academia, and we explore how it intersects with the legacy of her father, Gregory Bateson. We dive deep into systems thinking, the importance of play, and the ways modern life has become more disconnected, especially with the rise of AI and social media. Nora shares her thoughts on how these technologies can contribute to disconnection and why it's essential to nurture more sensory, analog ways of engaging with the world to truly appreciate life. Along the way, we touch on intergenerational trauma, the impacts of colonial and industrial histories, and how rigid systems thinking limits our ability to imagine new possibilities. Nora also makes a powerful case for play—not as a frivolous distraction, but as a crucial survival tool and a way to navigate the complexities of today's world. We discuss how play, humor, and improvisation can fuel creativity, resilience, and even revolution in the face of despair. This conversation is a reminder to stay grounded, foster real human connections, and embrace the ongoing practice of imagining new ways of being in the world. >>THE BATESON INSTITUTE >>CLOWN SPIRIT RESOURCES >>CLOWN SPIRIT VILLAGE

In this week's solo episode of the Clown Spirit podcast, Barnaby explores the profound impact and inherent challenges of clowning, as well as how clowns can facilitate collective transformation. Through insights from personal clown training experiences, he examines the paradox of clowns' openness and vulnerability, which can lead to both powerful connections and the risk of losing individuality. This episode delves into the essential qualities that clowns bring to moments of societal change, the importance of maintaining one's distinctiveness, and the parallels between clowning and spiritual practice. >>CLOWN SPIRIT

In this heartfelt episode of the Clown Spirit Podcast, host Barnaby King interviews Nathaniel Allenby, an inspirational circus entrepreneur, public speaker, and advocate of kindness. Nathaniel shares his remarkable journey of traveling over 28,000 miles on a bicycle while busking and surviving on the kindness of strangers. His experiences led him to the art of clowning and eventually founding Cirque Quirk in San Diego. Nathaniel discusses his new book, 'The Cycle of Kindness,' and his desire to share the warmth, generosity of spirit and faith in humanity that he discovered on his journey. He also talks about his future plans in psychology and emotional intelligence to make a profound positive impact on the world. Tune in for an uplifting conversation about resilience, generosity, and the power of clowning. >>The Cycle of Kindness >>Clown Spirit    

This episode finds Barnaby in conversation with Rakesh, also known as 'Rootsman Rak', a multifaceted creator, permaculture expert, yoga teacher and DJ. The discussion revolves around Rakesh's life journey from a poor immigrant family in East London to his diverse career paths. Rakesh delves into topics such as resilience, storytelling, systemic injustice, the importance of expressing emotions, and maintaining a sense of wonder and awe. Through his experiences, he demonstrates a natural connection with clowning concepts, particularly in the context of honesty and presence. The conversation emphasizes the value of interconnecting clowning with broader social practices to foster joy, lightness, and connection. >Upcycled Henry Hoover Project >More from Rakesh >Clown Spirit Resources

In this episode of the Clown Spirit podcast, Barnaby delves into the misuse of the term 'clown' as an insult, focusing on Tim Cunningham's Washington Post article that argues against calling political figures like Donald Trump clowns. Barnaby reflects on the word's dual significance both as a professional title and as an archetypal character. He explores the deeper truths that clowns reveal through their foolishness and the cultural potency of using the term in political critique. The episode challenges listeners to navigate the tension between protecting the sacred art of clowning and embracing its messy, contradictory meanings, ultimately questioning whether the term should be policed or allowed its complex, paradoxical existence. >>Read Tim Cunningham article  >>MORE FROM CLOWN SPIRIT 

In this podcast episode, Tad Hargrave, a seasoned marketer specializing in ethical marketing for holistic practitioners, discusses his approach to marketing without manipulation. He delves into the common aversion to self-promotion, the unethical aspects of conventional marketing, and the importance of honesty and ethics in promoting one's work. Tad also shares his 'seven fundamentals' of ethical marketing and provides valuable advice specific to artists and performers, emphasizing the importance of trusting one's instincts and leveraging connections rather than relying solely on self-promotion. The conversation also touches on the relevance of clowning and the unique challenges faced by clowns in marketing their art. >>MORE FROM CLOWN SPIRIT   >>MARKETING FOR HIPPIES WEBSITE

In this episode of the Clown Spirit podcast, I welcome Slava Sapershteyn (Slap and Shine), a clown and Gestalt therapist originally from Ukraine and now living in Canada. The discussion delves into Slava’s unique journey, her alternative last name, and the significance of slapping as metaphors in her work. We explore the parallels between mycelial networks and human relational systems, emphasizing the importance of contact, curiosity, and resilience. Slava shares her perspectives on the interplay between clowning and therapy, the role of humor, and the value of creating spaces for healing and connection. The conversation highlights the profound impact of metaphors and relational practices in fostering human connection and understanding. >>SLAVA SAPERSHTEYN'S WEBSITE >>MORE FROM CLOWN SPIRIT

In this episode, we delve into how to turn clowning into a full-time career. Learn the key skills needed to create a successful clown-related business. The host shares personal experiences from over two decades in the clowning world and introduces a new course called 'The Business of Clowning.' Discover the importance of strategic planning, tactical skills, and holistic wellbeing in building a sustainable career in clowning. The episode also offers insights into persistence, diversification, and communication as vital components for success. >>CLOWN SPIRIT RESOURCES

In this episode, we revisit an iconic clown-versation interview with Norwegian comedian and clown Viggo Venn, who won Britain's Got Talent in 2023. The conversation delves into Viggo's journey from his first clown workshop to his triumphant win, his interactions with the judges, and the technical details of his performances. Viggo also shares insights into his inspirations, his training with renowned clown teacher Philippe Gaulier, and his teaching experiences. The episode highlights the essence of clowning and Viggo's future plans, while celebrating the joy and vulnerability in his art. Viggo's BGT performances Viggo's Website CLOWN SPIRIT RESOURCES Original Clown-versation Video

In this episode, we explore the powerful and subversive vision of Abhijit Sinha, founder of Project Defy, an organization dedicated to transforming education. Based in Bangalore, India, Project Defy challenges the conventional 'factory model' of education, emphasizing community-driven learning and the importance of reclaiming the present for children rather than preparing them solely for the future. Abijit shares his personal journey from a disillusioned corporate worker to a pioneering educational innovator, highlighting the need to shift human narratives from economy-centric to happiness-centric. Throughout the discussion, we delve into the importance of leadership, community, and the transformative potential of embracing paradoxes in the quest to build a more connected and thoughtful world. >>PROJECT DEFY WEBSITE >>CLOWN SPIRIT RESOURCES >>VIDEO OF CONVERSATION

In this episode of the Clown Spirit Podcast, Barnaby King, founder of Clown Spirit, delves into the persistent question of how to know if you're doing a good job as a clown. Using examples from the Clown Spirit Village community and his own experiences, Barnaby explores three distinct perspectives: learning through feedback loops, the transactional nature of clowning, and the transcendent experience of shared humanity. He reflects on how these ideas apply both to clowning and to life, arguing for a balance between external validation and internal authenticity. The episode encourages listeners to embrace the spontaneous and interconnected nature of clowning, ultimately inviting clowns and non-clowns alike to step over the edge of the cliff and let the 'clown gods' guide them. >>CLOWN SPIRIT RESOURCES

This episode features Four Arrows (a.k.a.) Wahinkpe Topa, indigenous scholar, author, and educator dedicated to decolonization and transformative learning. The conversation delves into Four Arrows' unique understanding of the Lakota clown traditions, specifically the Heyoka, and explores how humor and contrary behavior can serve as tools for subversion and resilience. Four Arrows shares personal insights and jokes, illustrating the power of humor in indigenous practices for healing and community bonding. The episode also touches on Four Arrows' experiences in academia, his views on hypnosis and self-transformation, and his belief in the sacred role of clowns in bringing balance to the world. >>INDIGENOUS WORLDVIEW CHART >>FOUR ARROWS' BOOKS >>CLOWN SPIRIT RESOURCES

In this episode I reflect on the upcoming CLOWNVERGENCE conference and what it really means for me and what I've learned from organizing it. I dive into some of the contradictory motivations and emotions I feel as a long-time social organizer who is also socially averse. And of course I bring these reflections back the subject of clowning itself as a way of clarifying what is truly important not just about CLOWNVERGENCE but about clowning (and life) in general. >>Register for CLOWNVERGENCE >>Find out more about CLOWN SPIRIT VILLAGE

In this episode of the Clown Spirit podcast, I talk with guest Bayo Akomolafe, celebrated speaker, teacher, and self-styled 'fugitive'. We talk about themes of playfulness, innovation, and the concept of 'cracks'—the imperfections and gaps that exist within systems. Bayo eloquently discusses how these cracks are not merely flaws but essential elements that facilitate newness and transformation. The conversation was an organic and improvised 'mess', interspersed with humor, interruptions by Bayo's son, and para-reflection. Bayo's poetic and philosophical insights challenge traditional notions of innovation, perfection, and moral policing, advocating instead for a deeper engagement with the fluid and mysterious aspects of life. This conversation underscored for me the value (perhaps necessity) of embracing imperfections. >>BAYO'S WEBSITE >>CLOWNVERGENCE (3 Day Online Clowning Conference) >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS 

In this episode of the Clown Spirit Podcast, I chat with Jay Vidyarthi, a meditator, tech enthusiast, designer, entrepreneur, and author of the book 'Reclaim Your Mind: Seven Strategies to Enjoy Tech Mindfully.'  Jay discusses the attention economy, the concept of translating digital engagement into human connections, and the need for boundaries and self-awareness in tech usage. The conversation touches on the deeper role of clowning in addressing human emotions, the importance of confronting discomfort, and the playfulness required to navigate modern life. Jay also shares personal anecdotes about the challenges of promoting his book and balancing different identities. The episode emphasizes joy, authenticity, and the fearless spirit of clowning as tools for a healthier, more mindful relationship with technology. >>JAY'S BOOK >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS

In this episode of the Clown Spirit podcast, host Barnaby talks with Karine Bell, the founder of Rooted Global Village, about the transformative power of clowning. The discussion delves into how clowning can disrupt entrenched patterns on both a societal and individual level, offering liberatory potential through authenticity and vulnerability. Kareen shares her journey into clowning, her experiences in clown school, and how these practices intersect with her work in somatic experiencing, community building, and mindfulness. The conversation highlights the importance of play, vulnerability, and the capability of clowning to illuminate and transform our rigid identities, ultimately fostering greater freedom and connection.   >>ROOTED GLOBAL VILLAGE   >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS

Today Barnaby delves into the concept of 'fun', dispelling various myths about it, and challenging the idea that it is all about escaping reality. Using specific examples from his own work and life, he outlines a different way of conceptualizing fun that often emerges from challenging situations and proposes that the key to experiencing more fun is to embrace difficult tasks. >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS  

In this episode of the Clown Spirit Podcast, Barnaby interviews Wangũi wa Kamonji, dancer, facilitator, and bearer of Indigenous African lifeways based in East Africa. Wangũi talks about the dual forces of change driven by the pain of the past and the desire for something new. She discusses her work aimed at healing and creativity, focusing on the intersection of playfulness, creativity, and Indigenous East African wisdom. Barnaby and Wangũi delve into the importance of alternative learning spaces, the communal affirmation of personal experiences, and the sacred role of trickster spirits in various cultures. They also touch upon the concept of clowning as a tool for social change and personal transformation.   WANGUI'S LINKS Embodied Pathways to the Pluriverse (Blog post by Wangui) https://processworkonline.com/2025-wangui-nervous-system-class/ (Workshop coming up)  >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS  

In this episode we dive into the archives to present an interview with the renowned clown teacher Ronlin Foreman. Known for his provocative ideas and unique approach to clowning, Ronlin discusses the fundamental nature of clowns as paradoxical figures who provoke laughter through authenticity rather than gimmicks or jokes. The conversation also explores Rolin's teaching philosophy, which emphasizes student intuition and the importance of suffering for meaningful learning. Additionally, Ronlin shares insights on the pedagogical use of 'falling' to teach about failure and resilience, his views on ensemble work as a metaphor for community, and the significance of engaging with the unknown in clowning. The episode concludes with a reminder about the upcoming Clownvergence event, set to be the largest online clown conference ever. >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS

In this episode of the Clown Spirit Podcast, I chat with John Wolfstone about the power of clowning and the trickster archetype in transforming culture and healing the world. The episode delves into the importance of humor, irreverence, and vulnerability in tackling societal crises, while also introducing John's 10-year film project, 'The Village of Lovers,' centered around the Tamera eco-village in Portugal. The discussion covers themes of regeneration, emergence, and the influence of Eros. We also talk about upcoming events, including the Fugitive Futures Summit. Filled with profound insights and lively conversation, this episode highlights the potential of clowning to unlock stuck energy and inspire new ways of thinking. >>VILLAGE OF LOVERS >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS   

In this episode of the Clown Spirit podcast, I engage in a vibrant and playful conversation with Rehana Tejpar, an organizational midwife, facilitator, leadership coach, mediator, and movement artist. We explore the unique ways Rehana brings creativity, dance, and clowning into organizational contexts to foster connection, resolve conflicts, and cultivate authentic leadership. This visual and dynamic interview delves into Rehana's methodologies, including transformative coaching, authentic movement, and dialogue for peaceful change. I also encourage you to to watch the full video on YouTube for the complete experience of Rehana's expressive and embodied communication style. >>REHANA'S WEBSITE  >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS   

This episode explores the sacred and transformative nature of clowning, tracing its origins to ancient and tribal traditions. It highlights how clowning, deeply rooted in communal and spiritual practices, serves as a powerful tool for self-discovery and connection. Drawing from "The Sacred Source," a unit from the eight-week course The Clown Connection, the discussion examines the roles of sacred clowns in Native American and European rituals, emphasizing their unique ability to navigate the balance between light and dark energies. The episode delves into themes like the cultural significance of shame, the influence of secret societies, and the importance of facing fears to unlock the deeper essence of clowning. By revisiting these traditions, modern clowns are encouraged to engage with their communities and foster a sense of balance and authenticity in their craft. Ultimately, this introspective conversation seeks to inspire performers to rediscover the transformative and communal power of clowning, offering insights to enrich their artistic and spiritual journey. >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS    Books and articles cited: Barbara Babcock. "Arrange Me into Disorder: Fragments and Reflections on Ritual Clowning." Rite, Drama, Festival, Spectacle: Rehearsals toward a Theory of Cultural Performance (1984) pp. 102-28. Lucile Hoerr Charles. "The Clown's Function." The Journal of American Folklore 58: 227 (1945) pp. 25-34 Peggy Beck, Anna Lee Walters, Nia Francisco. The Sacred: Ways of Knowledge, Sources of Life. 1990.

My guest on this week's podcast is Briony Greenhill, a vocal improviser and collaborative vocal improvisation teacher. Briony shares her unique perspective on combining creative practices, such as singing and clowning, with political activism and personal growth. Discussing the transformative power of vocal improvisation, Briony explains how these practices can influence social change. The podcast delves into themes of ritual, community connection, and the necessity of creating spaces for authentic expression and empowerment. Briony's insights, coupled with tracks from her albums, provide a compelling exploration of how art and activism can intersect to foster a more connected and inspired world. >>BRIONY'S WEBSITE >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS  

I go back to the source this week to bring you a conversation with Sue Morrison, who first taught me to clown. We reflect on our work together in an often frank exchange. Sue also shares her journey into clowning, discussing the influence of mask work and her mentor, Richard Pachinko. We delve into the philosophy of clowning, including the importance of connecting with the audience, working from the heart, and the transformative nature of performance. Sue emphasizes the role of love in clowning and the necessity of being genuine and vulnerable on stage. The episode also touches on the impact of the pandemic on clowning and the unique process of creating clown shows. >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS  

In this episode I offer a deeply personal reflection on my journey into the world of clowning, highlighting some pivotal life moments and transformative experiences. Ultimately I aim to demonstrate, through my own story, the symbiotic relationship between personal suffering and artistic process. To do this I discuss some aspects of my childhood, family background, and the unexpected ways personal traits such as sensitivity, fear, and a sense of superiority fueled my clowning persona. I reveal challenges I faced due to emotional volatility and how attending Sue Morrison's clowning workshop helped me harness raw emotions and vulnerability to connect profoundly with audiences. As always I am most interested in the spiritual and humanistic dimensions of clowning, and my belief that anyone willing to openly embrace their imperfections can create powerful artistic expressions that resonate on a deeply human level. >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS 

In this episode of the Clown Spirit Podcast, host Barnaby King interviews Manish Jain, a real-life trickster and advocate of unlearning. Jain shares his transformative journey from the American dream to founding alternative education initiatives like Ecoversities and Swaraj University in India. The discussion explores the metaphorical connections between clowning and unlearning, including playful disruptions of traditional systems and the importance of embracing failure. Jain discusses his experiences of 'unlearning' with his grandmother, including using goat manure for healing, which challenged conventional beliefs. He emphasizes the need for playfulness, resilience, and reimagining societal norms to enact social change. Jain invites listeners to rediscover abundance and trust, sharing insights on how unlearning can influence various life aspects, including education, community, and personal happiness. >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS   

From minstrelsy to Aunt Jemima ads, pejorative representations of African Americans in popular culture has created barriers to their participation in clowning, especially for women of color. In this episode I discuss these issues with Michelle Matlock, pioneering Black female clown performer, through the lens of her work and 25 year career in clowning. In this synthesized version of our clownversation (see link above) Michelle and I discuss barriers, in particular those around race and gender, that prevent equal access to clowning and how they can be overcome. Michelle shares her journey in clowning, challenges faced by people of color in the performance industry, and her acclaimed solo show, 'The Mammy Project.' The conversation extends to Michelle's experience in Cirque de Soleil, the significance of decolonizing clowning, and the importance of bringing diverse cultural perspectives into clowning. >>MICHELLE'S WEBSITE   >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS 

In Why Clown? Why Now? host Barnaby King delves into the crucial role of clowning in addressing the current global crises. He discusses the emotional turmoil people face today—overwhelm, guilt, anxiety—and attributes it to disconnection from ourselves, others, and our spiritual roots. He explores three main aspects of clowning: acknowledging truths, breaking rules to inspire new possibilities, and fostering deep connections. Clowning is a transformative force that can help individuals and society heal and reimagine a better future. The episode concludes with a practical manifesto advocating for grounding in community, personal clowning practice, and leading through clowning in various aspects of life. >>CLOWN SPIRIT LINKS