Divergent Dialogues

After 2.5 years and 48 episodes, we’re wrapping up Divergent Dialogues.This final conversation reflects on how the podcast began, what it has meant to create this space, and why this ending feels right. We share our thoughts on growth, changing commitments, meaningful connections with guests and listeners, and the sense of completion that can come with a good goodbye.What started as regular Zoom chats between two neurodivergent social workers grew into something we’re incredibly proud of. We’re so grateful to everyone who listened, shared episodes, sent messages, and engaged with our work along the way.All episodes will remain available, so you can revisit old favourites or catch up on the ones you missed.Thank you for being part of this community. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin Hughes⁠⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠⁠Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena Mogler⁠⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠⁠Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealthReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

In this episode, we’re joined by Sheldon Gay for a thoughtful conversation about Black neurodivergent experiences, giftedness, identity, and intersectionality.Together, we explore how systems like education and mental health can misunderstand or overlook neurodivergent people, particularly when race and culture intersect with neurodivergence. Sheldon shares reflections from his own journey as a late-identified gifted Black man, including how bias, assumptions, and systemic barriers can shape who gets recognised, supported, or misunderstood.We also talk about:The impact of being misread in school and mental health systemsMasking, code-switching, and navigating safetyWhy curiosity and genuine listening matterThe importance of understanding intersectional lived experiencesSetting boundaries in spaces not designed for your identity or neurotypeThis conversation invites us to slow down, stay curious, and reflect on how we can create spaces where all neurodivergent people are truly seen in their full humanity.Sheldon Gay is an entrepreneur, speaker and host of the “I Must Be BUG’N” podcast. Sheldon is a leading advocate for gifted and neurodivergent people, especially those from melanated and marginalized communities. His lived-experience empowers him to help people become curious about their minds, foster community as well as experience peace and joy through authenticity.Find out more about Sheldon here: sheldongayisbugn.comBooks & Resources MentionedMe and White Supremacy: How to Recognise Your Privilege, Combat Racism and Change the World by Layla F. SaadWe Are Displaced: My Journey and Stories from Refugee Girls Around the World by Malala YousafzaiBlack Disability Politics by Samantha Dawn SchalkShoshin: Beginner's Mind - The Zen Approach To Grow Faster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl2_NCY5aik“Love Me In A Gay Way”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCjeYR7NAJ4For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin Hughes⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena Mogler⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealthReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

This conversation forms part of a creative research contribution to Neurodiversity: Towards a Critical Turn in Neurodiversity Studies. It explores podcasting as a neurodivergent way of doing research — one that values voice, connection, and shared meaning. Through dialogue between seven neurodivergent podcasters, we will reflect on how podcasting helps us share knowledge differently: through conversation, emotion, and lived experience rather than traditional academic writing.You can read the journal article here: https://doi.org/10.1177/27546330261437265Caitlin Hughes (she/they) is a queer, nonbinary, multi-exceptional Australian social worker, researcher, educator, and advocate. Late-identified as Autistic, ADHD, Gifted, and PDA, Caitlin co-hosts the Divergent Dialogues podcast and brings a lived experience-led perspective to their work. They are committed to fostering epistemic healing through relational ethics, narrative reclamation, and accessible, lived experience–driven knowledge creation.Sheldon Gay (he/him) is a Black Gifted speaker and podcast host of I Must Be BUG'N (Black Underrepresented/Unidentified Gifted and otherwise Neurodivergent). Sheldon is guided by the belief that learning to deeply and wholly Love oneSelf, cape and kryptonite, is the path to finding, creating, and maintaining Love everywhere we go.Marni Kammersell (she/her) is a American late-identified neurodivergent (Autistic, ADHD, PDA, gifted) parent of neurodivergent children. She is an educator, researcher, writer, and consultant, and co-hosts the PDA: Resistance and Resilience podcast. Marni is dedicated to honoring neurodivergent experience through relational, self-directed, and nervous-system-informed knowledge practices.bee mayhew (she/her) is a multiply neurodivergent (late-identified AuDHD, former gifted kid) writer, narrative collaborator, and communication coordinator for PDN Media. She co-hosts cosmic cheer squad podcast and has a background as a hospitality specialist and business owner. Bee’s work centers on collective narrative-building and neurodivergent storytelling through activist, community-rooted practice.Teena Mogler (she/her) is an Australian AuDHD social worker, researcher, educator, and advocate, as well as co-host of the Divergent Dialogues podcast. As a mother to neurodivergent children, Teena is passionate about amplifying neurodivergent voices and disrupting epistemic injustice through lived experience-led, neuroaffirming, and critically reflexive knowledge practices.Emma Nicholson (she/her) is a neurodivergent Australian Senior Business Analyst, creative and advocate, identifying as gifted, Dyscalculic, with all five overexcitabilities (psychomotor, sensual, intellectual, imaginational, and emotional), as well as bisexual and Heathen. She co-hosts the Positive Disintegration Podcast and serves as Vice President of the Dąbrowski Center. She is driven by an unkillable passion to demystify positive disintegration and share hard-won truths to help others feel seen and supported.Chris Wells (they/them) is a multi-exceptional, nonbinary, and neurodivergent writer, podcaster, and developmental theorist specialising in Dąbrowski’s theory of positive disintegration. They co-host the Positive Disintegration, cosmic cheer squad, and PDA: Resistance and Resilience podcasts, and are the founding president of the Dąbrowski Center and co-creator of the Positive Disintegration Network. Chris brings lived experience and a deep commitment to reframing neurodivergence through a developmental and relational lens.

What happens when AI is built with neurodivergent people, not about us?Caitlin and Teena are joined by Laetitia Andrac (CEO/co-founder of Understanding Zoe) for a grounded, hope-filled conversation about AI, ethics, and easing the invisible work carried by neurodivergent families.Together, we explore how AI can support scripting, communication, advocacy, and admin, while staying mindful of risks like bias and deficit-based language. Laetitia shares findings the 2025 Making the Invisible Visible report that includes research with data from 1,091 families, including the reality that many parents are carrying an extra 33 hours per week—with around 10 hours often swallowed by admin.We also unpack what “non-negotiables” look like for ethical AI in care spaces: privacy and security, lived experience design, and using AI as an extension of human connection, not a replacement.If AI can take some of the hidden load, families can reclaim time for what matters most: connection.In this episode, we cover:AI as a “second brain” (and why critical thinking still matters)Bias in AI outputs and why neuroaffirming design is essentialThe hidden load of parenting neurodivergent kids (and what the data says)NDIS prep, advocacy, and practical ways AI can supportEthics + privacy: frameworks, data protection, and trustThe emerging “AI gap” and equity in accessA sneak peek at Understanding Zoe’s upcoming app update (including support for adults)Laetitia Andrac is CEO and co-founder of Understanding Zoe, an AI-powered platform providing neuroaffirmative support for families raising neurodivergent children. A neurodivergent woman and mother of two neurodivergent daughters, Laetitia brings over 15 years of experience in strategy and innovation, including her role as former General Manager at Telstra and as a strategy consultant with Monitor-Deloitte. She's a bestselling author, international speaker, and host of The Neurodivergent Pulse Podcast. Understanding Zoe recently completed Australia's largest study on neurodivergent families (1,091 participants), published as the white paper "Making the Invisible Visible" in November 2025. Through her work, Laetitia champions moving from deficit to strength-based models, creating neuroaffirming systems rather than compliance-based solutions.Website: www.understandingzoe.comLinkedIn (personal): https://www.linkedin.com/in/laetitiaandrac/LinkedIn (company): https://www.linkedin.com/company/understandingzoe/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/understanding.zoe/Email: [email protected] more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic CollaborationsSocial media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental HealthSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealthReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

In this thoughtful and heartfelt conversation, we’re joined by autistic advocate, podcast host and dad, Michael Coles, for a discussion about the lived experience of neurodivergent parenting. Together, we explore the complexities and joys of raising neurodivergent children as neurodivergent adults, especially through the lens of fatherhood.Michael shares how his self-understanding evolved through parenting, the sensory and emotional dynamics of a neurodivergent household, and the ongoing process of self-compassion, co-regulation and community connection.We discuss:The reality of differing neurotypes within the same familyChallenges and wins with school systems and advocacyThe power of support networks and peer connectionThis episode is a gentle yet powerful reminder that neurodivergent parents are doing brave, beautiful work…often while healing themselves. Whether you’re a parent, professional, or simply seeking deeper understanding, there’s wisdom here for all of us.Michael Coles is an autistic advocate, speaker, and host of The Deep Dive Podcast. Drawing on lived experience and professional practice, Michael explores topics including autistic burnout, neurodiversity in the workplace, and inclusive systems that genuinely support neurodivergent people. His work focuses on bridging understanding between autistic and non-autistic communities, with a strong emphasis on safety, dignity, and sustainable participation.Website: http://www.deepdiveau.netLinktree: http://linktr.ee/michaelcolesInstagram & TikTok: @thedeepdiveauYouTube and Facebook: @TheDeepDiveAUThere is a substack that you can subscribe to, but email Michael for the link [email protected] more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborations - https://www.catharticcollaborations.c...Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Health - https://www.balancecentreformentalhea...Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealthReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

In this episode, we explore the powerful intersection between trauma, neurodivergence, and healing. Together, we unpack the impact of late identification, the limitations of diagnostic boxes, and the deep relief that comes from finally having language for your experience.We discuss how trauma often presents differently in neurodivergent individuals, why talk therapy isn’t always enough, and how body-based approaches like EMDR and IFS can support authentic, sustainable healing.This is a conversation for anyone who’s ever felt like they didn’t quite fit—and is ready to start where they are.Themes: late diagnosis, masking, PDA, trauma-informed care, nervous system safety, somatic therapyVera (she/they) is a Senior Clinical Psychologist and Board-Approved Supervisor based in Sydney, Australia. They work with adults who are survivors of trauma, supporting them through the healing process with a person-centred, culturally sensitive, and neuro-affirming approach. Drawing on trauma-informed modalities such as Internal Family Systems, EMDR, and somatic practices, Vera helps clients reconnect with their inner wisdom and sense of Self. As a late-identified neurodivergent person with lived experience of high-masking, Vera values authenticity and understands the challenges of living at the intersection of multiple identities. Through both their clinical work and personal growth journey, they aim to increase the awareness of trauma healing and the importance of doing "the work" to live a fulfilling life. For more information about Vera check out:https://loapac.org/rap/vera-yeoVera's blog post explaining what trauma is: https://www.sydneypsychhub.com.au/unravelling-_trauma/Books Vera mentioned in the episode: The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel Van Der KolkIt Didn't Start With You by Mark Wolynn Vera suggested affordable trauma-informed online trainings: https://www.nicabm.com/For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborations - https://www.catharticcollaborations.com.auSocial media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Health - https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au.Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealthReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

In this candid and deeply affirming conversation, we explore the layered experience of internalised ableism and the lifelong journey toward self-acceptance as Autistic individuals. Through personal reflections, shared insights, and the powerful inclusion of an audiobook excerpt by guest author Annie Kotowicz, we unpack how diagnosis, identity, boundaries, and belonging evolve over time. Caitlin and Teena show up with honesty, compassion, and vulnerability—offering a grounded perspective on what it means to live authentically as late-diagnosed Autistic person.Annie Kotowicz is an autistic author on a mission to: Describe the beautiful view from her brain, Help other autistics see the beauty of their own brains, and Show why neurodiversity is a beautiful thing. She studied Art and English at Trinity Western University, which led to various jobs in graphic design, editing, and website development. After an autism diagnosis in 2017, she created the blog Neurobeautiful to process her ongoing discoveries about autism and neurodiversity. Since then, she has become a Chief Technology Officer, Special Education Teacher, and member of Mensa. What I Mean When I Say I’m Autistic is her first book. She has also written articles and poetry for Edutopia, NeuroClastic, and Spaces Literary Journal. Annie is happiest when writing, dancing, practicing parkour, drawing Celtic knots, or organizing her cozy and colorful home near Washington, D.C.Website: https://neurobeautiful.com/book Email: [email protected] more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborations - https://www.catharticcollaborations.com.auSocial media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Health - https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au.Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealthReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

In this episode, we dive into a conversation with Cammy Griffin, a passionate researcher and organiser of the upcoming Neurodivergent Minds Conference on the Sunshine Coast. Together, we explore the evolving field of neurodiversity-affirming practice, grounded in lived experience, evidence-based research, and a strong commitment to accessibility. Cammy shares insights from her PhD research on speech pathology practices that centre neurodivergent voices, the intersectionality within neurodivergent identities, and the importance of systemic shifts in healthcare and support systems. This episode champions humility, flexibility, and power-sharing in professional practice and highlights how professionals must be willing to adapt, learn, and listen. We’re thrilled to share that Caitlin and Teena will also be attending the Neurodivergent Minds Conference and Caitlin will be presenting!Cammy is a neurodivergent paediatric speech pathologist on the Sunshine Coast. She is undertaking a PhD on Neurodiversity-Affirming Speech Pathology Practice and has a passion for supporting individuals of all neurotypes to achieve their goals and live fulfilling lives.Find out more about Neurodivergent Minds Conference and Cammy here:www.neurodivergentmindsconference.com.au https://www.instagram.com/neurodivergentmindsconfau/ https://www.instagram.com/letstalkneuropositivity/For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborations - https://www.catharticcollaborations.com.auSocial media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Health - https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au.Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealthReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Margaret "Pegi" Price who brings lived experience and legal acumen to the topic of divorce and parenting plans involving neurodivergent children. Drawing from her own journey as a parent of an autistic child and her career in law, Pegi shares the realities families face when the legal system isn't built to accommodate neurodivergent needs. Together, we explore what it means to create supportive, future-focused parenting plans, how to advocate for fair financial contributions, and the long-term impact of unequal caregiving responsibilities. From managing transitions between households to navigating denial of diagnosis, this episode is filled with wisdom for parents, professionals, and allies alike. We also unpack: The risks of "cookie cutter" legal forms for neurodivergent families Why crisis planning is crucial for families with neurodivergent children How to honour neurodivergent children’s autonomy, routines, and emotional safety post-separation The hidden cost of invisible labour and caregiving work Whether you're currently navigating separation or supporting someone who is, this episode offers clarity, compassion, and practical strategies grounded in justice and neuroaffirming support.Dr. Margaret ‘Pegi’ Price is a Professor and Academic Program Director for the Master of Public Administration Program at National University. She has held teaching and department head positions at several colleges and universities in the Midwest. She received a National Teacher of the Year award in 1992. She earned her Juris Doctorate at the University of Florida in Gainesville, Florida, where she was a Senior Editor of the Law Review and inducted into Phi Delta Phi, the legal honors society. She earned the rst perfect score in the history of the University of Florida in the Law Review annual writing competition. She completed her B.A. in History at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville, Florida, where she received multiple academic honors. With over 25 years of experience practicing law—including civil trial work and serving as a prosecutor—Dr. Price has also acted as an expert witness or consultant in more than 75 lawsuits involving special needs, making her a champion for justice and equity.Books authored by Dr. Margaret “Pegi” Price:The Special Needs Child and Divorce: A Practical Guide to Handling and Evaluating CasesDivorce and the Special Needs Child: A Guide for ParentsFor more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic CollaborationsSocial media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental HealthSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealthSubscribe nowReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides.What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.Dive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent Minds

In this deeply resonant conversation, we explore how Gifted identity is shaped through mirroring, the profound importance of safe, attuned relationships, and the nuanced challenges of living as neurodivergent individuals in a world built for sameness. Together, we reflect on the journey of self-acceptance, the role of humour and play as relational tools, and the healing power of co-created spaces that honour difference. We dive into existential perfectionism and the ongoing dance between the pathology paradigm and the neurodiversity paradigm. This episode is a grounded, compassionate invitation to embrace your full self—with curiosity, courage, and community.Key Themes Explored:Authenticity & relational safety: how feeling seen supports nervous system regulation and deeper self-understanding.Self-acceptance journeys: reframing the need for external validation and embracing curiosity when building connections across neurotypes.Emotional safety for gifted folks: unpacking internalised shame and societal expectations, and finding joy in interests.Humour as both shield and bridge: playfulness as a tool for navigating uncertain social terrain.Living biculturally: straddling the pathology paradigm and neurodiversity paradigm as clinicians with lived experience.Gordon’s group work: insight into creative and therapeutic spaces for identity exploration through poetry and connection.Gordon Smith is a Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor, Coach, Creative, and work in progress at giftedandgrowing.org. A Clinician in his 25th year of practice, Gordon has centered his practice entirely on gifted adolescents and adults since 2017. Gordon’s mission is to help gifted and otherwise neurodivergent people become fully themselves through self-knowing, self-acceptance, self-care, and self-advocacy. He offers individual counseling and coaching as well as many varied group coaching and creative experiences. He is passionate about community building and the depathologization and decolonization of gifted consciousness. He is a gifted, multiply neurodivergent, multipotentialite living in Asheville, North Carolina, where he has been a community organizer in countless roles. In addition to his individual counseling and coaching services, Gordon leads groups centered in gifted self-development and creative consciousness. He’s also a poet, organizer of the Big Asheville Science Salon, disc golfer, chess player, party planner, fellow at Camp Yunasa, traveler and bon vivant.To learn more about Gordon and his work check out:Gifted and Growing - https://giftedandgrowing.org/Gifted Adults Group Experience - ⁠https://giftedandgrowing.org/groups/gifted-adults-group-experience/⁠Turning the Jewel: Story and Self - ⁠https://giftedandgrowing.org/groups/age-of-intuition-suite-offering/⁠Magnum Opus - ⁠https://giftedandgrowing.org/groups/age-of-intuition-suite-magnum-opus/⁠Decolonizing Therapy by Dr. Jennifer Mullan - ⁠https://www.decolonizingtherapy.com/book⁠Laura Hope-Gill Substack - ⁠https://substack.com/@laurahopegill⁠Dive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent MindsReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber on Substack and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin Hughes⁠Cathartic Collaborations⁠Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena Mogler⁠Balance Centre for Mental Health⁠Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

⚠️ Content WarningThis podcast episode discusses domestic and sexual violence against autistic people. It includes references to abuse, trauma, and systemic harm. Please prioritise your wellbeing — feel free to pause, skip sections, or step away at any time.In this deeply insightful episode of Divergent Dialogues, we sit down with Jessica Fox, an Autistic doctoral researcher, to explore the intersecting experiences of Autistic women, domestic violence, sexual violence and trauma. Together with Caitlin and Teena, Jessica unpacks the prevalence of interpersonal violence, the impact of systemic failures, and the barriers Autistic individuals face when navigating social expectations and accessing support. Drawing from both lived experience and academic research, the conversation moves through themes of social isolation, gender oppression, neuroaffirming practice, and the triple empathy problem. We also discuss the power of community, the importance of autistic representation in research, and the need to centre consent and mutual understanding in therapeutic and relational contexts.Whether you're a professional, lived experience advocate, or community member, this episode is an essential listen for anyone working toward justice, safety, and equity for Neurodivergent women.Topics Covered:High rates of domestic and sexual violence among Autistic womenSocial masking, boundary challenges, and consent complexitiesSystemic and structural risk factorsThe value of neuroaffirming and feminist approachesJess is an autistic doctoral researcher at the Queensland University of Technology and a strong advocate for the human rights and wellbeing of autistic people. Jess is particularly passionate about autistic-led research and community building. Jess is an interdisciplinary researcher who is currently studying autistic women’s experiences of interpersonal violence and trauma. Before undertaking her PhD, Jess worked with autistic young people in school settings. Jess is also passionate about her work in supporting autistic adults through peer mentoring and mutual aid networks.Links to Jess’s research touching on the topics discussed:Neuro-queering feminism: Creating space within feminism to address autistic experiences of gender oppression: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09593535241306532The Impact of Intersectional Disadvantage on Autistic Women's Experiences of Interpersonal Violence: A Narrative Review: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/aut.2023.0100 – feel free to get in touch with Jess at [email protected] if you need access to this.Dive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent MindsReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber on Substack and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers on Substack, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborationshttps://catharticcollaborations.com.au/Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Healthhttps://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.auSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode, we (Caitlin and Teena) explore the importance of creating safe, collaborative spaces in therapy where neurodivergent clients feel truly seen and supported. We unpack common barriers people face when approaching therapy and share ways to prepare for a first session so it feels less daunting. Together, we highlight the power of client autonomy, the need for therapists to adapt with openness, and the value of mutual respect in the therapeutic process. In this episode, we cover:The importance of client comfort and preparation in therapyWhy a collaborative, flexible approach is keyRespecting client autonomy and lived experienceDive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent MindsReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber on Substack and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers on Substack, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborationshttps://catharticcollaborations.com.au/Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Healthhttps://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.auSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode, we sit down with Marni Kammersell, to explore alternative education models and how they support neurodivergent children. From forest schools to unschooling and self-directed learning, we discuss the importance of flexibility, autonomy, and embracing diverse learning preferences.We also dive into the social benefits of gaming for neurodivergent individuals, reflecting on how video games can support regulation, connection, and skill development—when approached with balance and understanding. Finally, we explore parenting neurodivergent children, empowering autonomy and decision-making from an early age.Topics covered:Forest schools & nature-based learning – Pros & considerations for neurodivergent kidsGaming & neurodivergence – How it fosters social connection & emotional regulationHomeschooling & unschooling – Self-directed education and why it works for some neurodivergent learnersEmpowering autonomy – Encouraging independence and self-advocacy in neurodivergent childrenMarni Kammersell is a neurodivergent educator, consultant, and parent to three neurodivergent kids. She specializes in helping families create liberatory, neuro-affirming educational environments and is passionate about self-directed education, the neurodiversity paradigm, and non-coercive relationships. A doctoral student researching neurodivergence and self-directed learning, Marni has over 15 years of experience in alternative education, including homeschooling, unschooling, democratic schools, and forest schools.Learn more about Marni’s work here: https://wanderingbrightly.com/For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborationshttps://catharticcollaborations.com.au/Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Healthhttps://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.auSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealthDive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent MindsReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber on Substack and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers on Substack, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

In this deeply reflective conversation, Caitlin and Teena unpack the systemic barriers that autistic individuals and ADHDers often face when navigating mental health care and assessment pathways. Drawing from both lived experience and professional expertise, they explore the confusing, costly, and often invalidating processes involved in accessing support. The episode shines a light on the importance of neuro-affirming, autism-specific training for GPs and mental health professionals, and discusses how therapy environments can be better tailored to meet neurodivergent needs. It ends on a hopeful note, acknowledging the challenges of creating systemic change while affirming the power of small, individual actions toward a more inclusive, understanding society.Dive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent MindsReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber on Substack and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers on Substack, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborationshttps://catharticcollaborations.com.au/Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Healthhttps://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.auSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, we sit down with Chris Payten, a 29-year-old entrepreneur with over a decade of experience in holistic health. From navigating a turbulent childhood to building his own business at just 17, Chris shares how his journey led him from personal training to breathwork, a practice that has transformed his mental health and now helps others.Together with Caitlin and Teena, the conversation delves into the neurodivergent experience, exploring the challenges and strengths of ADHD and autism. We discuss the importance of self-acceptance, early diagnosis, and holistic therapy—considering both cognitive and physiological aspects of well-being. Chris also introduces the science behind conscious breathing, explaining how breathwork can regulate the nervous system and support neurodivergent minds.We also unpack the complexities of neurodivergent relationships, communication styles, and executive function challenges. Chris offers insights into how breathwork can reduce stress, improve focus, and support emotional regulation. Plus, he generously provides access to his free breathwork course, available via the episode show notes.Chris Payten is a 29-year-old entrepreneur with over a decade in Holistic Health. Overcoming a turbulent childhood, he has transformed thousands of lives through Personal Training, Nutrition, NLP, Hypnosis, and Breathwork. As co-founder of Infinity Training & Coaching, one of Australia's fastest-growing Breathwork Certification companies, he is on a mission to empower millions to achieve peak performance and purpose.Chris’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chrispayten_/Infinity Training & Coaching Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/infinitytrainingandcoaching/Infinity Training and Coaching Website: https://infinitytrainingandcoaching.com/home-9123Beyond Your Breath Perth event: https://infinitytrainingandcoaching.com/landing-pageFor more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborationshttps://catharticcollaborations.com.au/Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Healthhttps://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.auSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealthDive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent MindsReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber on Substack and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers on Substack, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

How do hormones impact neurodivergent brains? In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin and Teena dive into the intricate relationship between hormones, Autism, ADHD, and menstrual health. They explore how hormonal fluctuations affect mood, cognition, and sensory experiences for neurodivergent individuals. The duo also sheds light on PMDD (Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder), advocating for greater research and awareness.They also discuss medication management challenges related to hormonal cycles and highlight the importance of advocating for individualised treatment plans. The conversation wraps up with practical advice on approaching healthcare professionals about neurodivergent experiences and the necessity of finding practitioners who truly listen and adapt to personal needs.If you’ve ever struggled with managing hormones, menstrual-related challenges, or navigating healthcare as a neurodivergent person, this episode is packed with insight, validation, and practical strategies.Dive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent MindsReady to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber on Substack and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/What’s inside?Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format.Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace.Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding.By joining our community of paid subscribers on Substack, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborationshttps://catharticcollaborations.com.au/Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Healthhttps://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.auSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin and Teena sit down with special guest Meghan to explore the journey of transitioning from traditional workplaces to self-employment as neurodivergent professionals. Together, they discuss the challenges of setting boundaries, managing burnout, and building a sustainable business that aligns with their unique strengths and values.Meghan shares her inspiring journey—from starting her first business at just 10 years old to becoming a leading voice in the neurodiversity movement. The conversation covers the realities of self-employment, the importance of authenticity and self-care, and practical strategies for navigating business as a neurodivergent entrepreneur.In this episode, you'll hear about:The challenges neurodivergent professionals face in traditional workplacesWhy self-employment can be empowering and challengingPractical strategies for setting boundaries and avoiding burnoutThe role of vulnerability and authenticity in supporting clientsFuture goals and community-building effortsWhether you’re a neurodivergent professional, entrepreneur, or simply curious about creating a more inclusive work environment, this episode offers valuable insights and actionable takeaways.Meghan Bonde is a leader in the neurodiversity movement, a Tedx speaker, the founder of intensityhub.com, and a Neurodivergent business coach who supports professionals to attract clients by designing systems to work the way they are wired. As a speech language pathologist, educational leader, and chair of the Colorado Neurodiversity Chamber of Commerce, she has facilitated transformational learning for thousands of leaders. She enjoys dance classes and dancing for a local band's concerts.Watch Meghan’s Tedx talkDiscover your intensity profileFor more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic CollaborationsSocial media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental HealthSocial media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, we unpack the systemic gender biases that continue to impact neurodivergent people and explore the barriers that make accessing a diagnosis so challenging. Social conditioning often encourages girls and gender-diverse individuals to suppress their natural ways of thinking, behaving, and expressing themselves to meet rigid societal expectations. As a result, instead of being recognised as neurodivergent, they are frequently undiagnosed or misdiagnosed leaving their true needs unaddressed. In this conversation, we also highlight the importance of safe, neuroaffirming spaces where individuals can explore their identity without fear of judgment. Self-identification is valid, and many people who recognise their own neurodivergence have spent significant time researching, reflecting, and connecting with others before coming to this understanding. However, the healthcare system often dismisses self-identified neurodivergent people, making access to affirming support even more difficult. This episode is a compassionate, necessary conversation about breaking down stigma, challenging outdated diagnostic models, and advocating for a world that truly sees and supports all neurodivergent experiences. Dive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent Minds Ready to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber on Substack and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides: https://divergentdialogues.substack.com/ What’s inside? Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format. Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace. Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding. By joining our community of paid subscribers on Substack, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our Episode Guide PDFs. Scroll down for more information. In this episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin, Teena, and Bee open up about the realities of neurodivergent parenting, offering a candid and heartfelt look into their experiences. From the fun and excitement of their children’s daily lives to the challenges of maintaining routines during holidays, the trio shares relatable moments that resonate deeply. They dive into topics like the transformative journey of discovering their own neurodivergence, and the importance of balancing everyone’s needs in a neurodivergent household. Bee’s unique approach of trusting intuition and rejecting societal norms, paired with Teena’s perspective as a therapist, provides listeners with practical and affirming advice. The conversation also highlights the power of emotional expression, boundary-setting, and open communication in fostering secure, empathetic, and self-advocating children. Finally, the group explores the importance of a supportive community—or “village”—for raising neurodivergent kids. ✨ Whether you’re a parent, ally, or neurodivergent individual, this episode offers warmth, wisdom, and hope for building a more understanding and inclusive world. Bee is a former restaurateur and hospitality professional with over 25 years experience balancing motherhood with the demands of small business life. Her voracious appetite for growth and development in leadership roles took her down a path of self directed inquiry into community advocacy that spans interests ranging from Worker Self Directed Enterprises and Cultural Anthropology to Attachment Theory and social work and beyond. Bee is a freelance writer, podcast co-host of Cosmic Cheer Squad Podcast and partner in the Positive Disintegration Network. She is an advocate for joy, rest and healing through her work regardless of job title. Bee is currently a full time unschooling mom of two neurodivergent kids, and (still a mom) to one who lives on their own in Texas and launched pragmagination.com as an aggregate for her various works-in-progress. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth Dive Deeper Into Divergent Dialogues: Exclusive Episode Guide PDFs for Neurodivergent Minds Ready to enhance your listening experience and make the most of each episode? Become a paid subscriber and gain access to our specially tailored Episode Guides. What’s inside? Clear, Concise Summaries: Easily revisit episode highlights to ensure you’ve got the essentials covered, all presented in a straightforward, digestible format. Reflective Questions: Explore thought-provoking prompts that honour diverse thinking styles. Whether you prefer quiet contemplation or lively discussion, these questions invite you to delve deeper at your own pace. Supportive Activities: Discover exercises and gentle strategies designed to foster learning, personal growth, and emotional wellbeing. Build on your unique strengths and nurture a sense of self-understanding. By joining our community of paid subscribers, you’ll unlock practical tools to help you on your journey to understanding and embracing your neurodivergence.

In this empowering episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin and Teena share practical strategies for managing Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria (RSD) while navigating relationships, friendships, and social expectations as neurodivergent individuals. Drawing from personal experiences and professional insights, they explore: The importance of setting and maintaining personal boundaries. How self-compassion can help in distinguishing perceived rejection from reality. Tips for communicating needs and clarifying misunderstandings without fear of conflict. The role of therapeutic approaches in reducing the intensity of RSD responses. The journey of embracing authenticity while navigating changing relationships. Caitlin and Teena remind listeners that it's okay to prioritise nourishing connections and embrace their unique communication styles. Whether you're new to RSD or looking for fresh approaches to coping, this episode is packed with actionable strategies and heartfelt encouragement. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this thought-provoking episode of Divergent Dialogues, Caitlin and Teena delve into Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria (RSD), a profound emotional experience that resonates with many neurodivergent individuals. They explore the intense reactions to perceived or actual rejection and criticism, unpacking how RSD can ripple into social interactions and relationships. Through personal reflections and professional insights, they discuss: The challenges of navigating relationships with heightened sensitivity. The influence of societal messaging and gender on perceptions of rejection. Practical strategies for fostering clear communication, setting boundaries, and creating mutual understanding in relationships. Whether you’re navigating your own RSD or supporting someone who is, this episode offers a compassionate lens and actionable takeaways to deepen understanding and connection. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Join Caitlin, Teena, and special guest Jenifer Breaux as they dive into the intersection of neurodiversity and travel. From navigating family trips with neurodivergent children to reframing vacation expectations, this episode is packed with practical tips and inspiring stories. Discover how Jenifer empowers families to explore the world with confidence. Learn about the magic of social stories, sensory-friendly accommodations, and finding balance between adventure and downtime. Plus, hear about her free ebook, "The Ultimate Top 10 Travel Tips," and how her business, JB Travel Pros, makes travel dreams come true! Jenifer Breaux is a retired army veteran who served almost three decades. During her time in the army she served the United States all over the world. Through those experiences she gained a love of service and travel. She excelled in her training and retired with honor. Six years ago she opened a franchise of Dream Vacations called JB Travel Pros, where she helps people travel the world with excitement. From coast to coast, Jenifer designs luxury experiences that bring her client's dreams to life. Her love for globe trotting is something she shares with her family, as well. As the mother of two amazing young men who both are on the autism spectrum. Jenifer has become an advocate for families and caregivers of special needs children.  For more information about Jenifer check out her website: https://www.iamjeniferbreaux.com/ For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Join Caitlin and Teena for Episode #27 of Divergent Dialogues as they explore the pressing issue of autistic and ADHD burnout. They highlight the unique signs of burnout experienced by neurodivergent individuals and share invaluable strategies for recognising and managing these challenges. Through personal anecdotes, Caitlin and Teena offer insight into their journeys, underscoring the importance of self-awareness, boundary setting, and mindfulness. They discuss practical tools like emotion tracking apps and emphasise the significance of a balanced lifestyle. Whether you’re navigating your own path or supporting loved ones, this episode offers empathetic guidance and professional advice. Don’t miss this thoughtful exploration—tune in to gain understanding and learn how to incorporate preventive measures into your everyday life. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this enlightening episode of the Divergent Dialogues podcast, Teena and Caitlin explore the complexities of burnout in neurodivergent individuals, particularly those with ADHD and autism. They discuss balancing personal needs with societal expectations, highlighting the importance of self-acceptance and redefining success beyond traditional productivity. The discussion covers societal pressures that exacerbate burnout, offering personal anecdotes and insights to emphasise empathy and support. They provide practical strategies for managing burnout and its impact on relationships and daily life. The episode also addresses the mental drain of 'doom scrolling' and the need for conscious content consumption, alongside relaxation techniques. As Teena and Caitlin share their journey, they offer strategies for dealing with masking, holiday pressures, and the importance of deep rest and rejuvenation. Join us for a heartfelt discussion aimed at fostering understanding and providing actionable advice for navigating neurodivergence. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Trigger warning: Discussion of self-harm Please note: Around 12:26, Chris said: "For those of us who have these multiple exceptionalities, it's a very lonely experience. And the thing about Dabrowski that is so amazing to me is that he had this experience. The episode we recorded with Caitlin, Emma brought up this book he wrote and how he says about himself, "I'm a psychiatrist and a psychologist," and he's grappling with these two parts of himself." What Chris meant was, "I am a psychologist and a schizophrenic." In the book Fragments From the Diary of a Madman, under his pseudonym, Cienin, Dabrowski wrote, "I am a schizophrenic and I am a psychologist. I do not know what helps what or what damages what." You can download the excerpt Chris was referring to here: https://dabrowskicenter.org/.../2024/10/Cienin-excerpt.pdf In this episode, Caitlin and Teena are joined by special guests Dr Chris Wells and Emma Nicholson from the Positive Disintegration Podcast! They dive deep into their personal experiences with Positive Disintegration, discussing the unique challenges of being multi-exceptional and the importance of recognising Giftedness as a form of neurodivergence. Tune in as they explore how to support neurodivergence and overexcitabilities in individuals while fostering their growth and development. Discover how the Theory of Positive Disintegration fits within the neurodiversity paradigm. Don’t miss this enlightening conversation! If you're new to the Theory of Positive Disintegration check out Dabrowski 101, An Introduction to the Theory of Positive Disintegration Chris Wells, PhD, LSW, is a dedicated advocate for neurodivergent individuals, drawing on personal experience and a deep understanding of Dąbrowski's theory of positive disintegration. As a writer, guide, and committed Dąbrowski scholar, Chris explores how this transformative theory can contribute to personal growth and a deeper understanding of giftedness and neurodivergence. They serve as the founding president of the Dąbrowski Center and co-host the Positive Disintegration Podcast, where they aim to make this complex theory more accessible and relevant to everyday life. Chris writes for the Positive Disintegration newsletter on Substack, sharing insights that blend professional expertise with lived experience.  Emma is a senior business analyst by day, and content creator by night. She is the Vice President of the Dąbrowski Center, co-host of the Positive Disintegration Podcast, and creates content on overexcitabilities and the theory of positive disintegration for her website Tragic Gift and YouTube channel Adults With Overexcitabilities. Exploring problems and finding solutions is her daily bread and butter, and she has a knack for simplifying technical information so it can be easily shared with others. She is also a creative soul, with zero cares about sharing skeletons in the closet, if it will help someone else. Most importantly, she has an un-killable passion for promoting the theory of positive disintegration to help people feel supported and understood. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Join Caitlin and Teena in this insightful podcast episode as they dive deep into the complexities of meltdowns. They share personal stories, emphasising the significance of recognising triggers, communication, and the power of seeking support. Caitlin sheds light on how meltdowns are physiological responses to sensory and emotional overload. Together, they explore the challenges of travel, the importance of downtime, and practical strategies. This candid conversation highlights the necessity of empathy and understanding, underscoring that asking for help is a true strength. Tune in for a heartfelt discussion that aims to foster a non-judgmental approach to supporting those who experience meltdowns. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Join Caitlin and Teena as they dive deep into the intriguing world of Alexithymia—exploring why identifying and expressing emotions can be particularly challenging for Autistic folks and ADHDers. They unravel the connection between Alexithymia and Interoception, shedding light on how our bodies signal emotions and its impact on emotional regulation. Plus, they take a fascinating look at the evolution of ADHD diagnoses over history and the vital need for support in developing emotional regulation skills. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode, Caitlin is joined by special guest Marisa and they dive into the intersections of neurodivergence, gender identity, and sexuality, shedding light on the unique perspectives and challenges faced by both their clients and themselves. They discuss the pathologisation of differences, the importance of authenticity, and the complexities of societal acceptance for neurodiverse individuals. The conversation highlights the negative impact of shame and normativity in workplaces and society, advocating for a more accepting and forgiving majority to promote diverse and authentic ways of being and living. Caitlin and Marisa share their experiences of feeling out of place in their social contexts growing up and explain how social systems shaped their perspectives. They emphasise the importance of finding congruence between one's inner self and outer presentation and the value of being recognised and accepted for one's true identity. Both discuss their personal journeys toward embracing their authentic selves, with Marisa highlighting the Butoh dance form as a pivotal moment in self-discovery and Caitlin reflecting on their own process of embodied self-discovery. Marisa works as an artist-writer, academic and psychotherapist. They occupy a bodymind which was late-diagnosed twice-exceptional (autistic and gifted), and agender. They are interested in the ways that dominant visual, social and economic systems change the ways in which we relate to our inner landscape, and to each other. They particularly enjoy working with people who are interfacing with new and emerging problems that come with this contemporary age. Their work can be found at www.full-saturation.com which is populated with slow writing about aesthetic engagement under capitalism.  For more information about our podcast host check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations

Caitlin and Teena had an insightful discussion on Pervasive Demand for Autonomy (PDA) and its impact on Autistic individuals' daily lives. Caitlin shared her personal experiences, highlighting challenges like sensory sensitivities and navigating societal norms. They addressed misdiagnosis and misunderstanding of PDA, stressing the need for neurodivergent affirming research. PDA involves a strong need for control, a desire for sameness, and avoidance of everyday demands. Caitlin, who identifies with PDA, emphasised its deeply personal nature. They explored daily pressures, including sensory and executive functioning issues, and difficulties faced by undiagnosed or misunderstood individuals. They noted how intolerance to uncertainty and anxiety can lead to extreme demand avoidance in children and adolescents with PDA. Overall, their conversation underscored the need for greater awareness and tailored support for Autistic individuals with PDA. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin and Teena were joined by special guest Rebecca Vitsmun in this engaging episode, where they dived deep into discussions about hyperphantasia, neurodivergent parenting, and the link between Ehlers-Danlos syndromes (EDS) and Autism. The trio reflects on the experience of hyperphantasia, discussing its role in relaxation and reframing this experience for better mental health. They also delve into the nuances of neurodivergent parenting, sharing insights on nurturing children’s unique abilities and creating supportive environments. Tune in for a heartfelt and informative conversation that highlights the creative potential and challenges faced by neurodivergent individuals. Rebecca Vitsmun is a unique voice hoping to advocate for her community and spread positive awareness of Ehlers-Danlos syndromes (EDS), hyperphantasia, Autism, and other “invisible” disabilities. Rebecca has authored Eliza Dee’s Universes which is an uplifting and adventurous tale that can help parents and children alike to embrace their unique traits and creatively visualise disabilities in a new and beautiful way. As an Autistic mother with Neurodivergent children, Vitsmun was inspired by her personal experiences to provide an accessible story that inspires creative imagination in readers of all ages and backgrounds. To find out more about Rebecca check out the links below: https://www.instagram.com/rvitsmun https://www.facebook.com/RebeccaFinchVitsmun https://rebeccavitsmun.com/ For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this illuminating episode, Caitlin and Teena delve into the often misunderstood experiences of individuals requiring workplace accommodations. They share personal anecdotes and discuss the importance of awareness and flexibility within professional environments. From the biases faced by those with autism and ADHD to the significance of mental health advocacy, they explore how asking for adjustments can be a form of self-care. The duo also touch on the practical support available from mental health professionals and legal protections within Australia. Join Caitlin and Teena as they navigate these crucial topics and highlight the value of understanding and compassionate workplaces. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this insightful episode, Caitlin and Teena delve into the complex world of workplace accommodations for Autistic folks and ADHDers. They engage in a heartfelt conversation about the challenges of disclosing neurodivergence at work and the importance of creating supportive environments. They discuss personal experiences with mental health professionals and the difficulties in identifying necessary accommodations. This episode underscores the significance of organisational empathy and awareness training, aiming to foster understanding and reduce misunderstandings. Tune in as we explore how to navigate these sensitive issues, ultimately advocating for a more inclusive and accommodating workplace. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode, Teena and Caitlin discuss giftedness with Jennifer Harvey Sallin founding director of InterGifted.  We explore the inspiration behind a unique model of giftedness, highlighting its diverse manifestations and the significance of recognising giftedness as a form of neurodivergence. This conversation sheds light on the importance of self-understanding and mental health for individuals who are gifted. We delve into the nuanced discussion on the co-occurrence of giftedness with other neurodivergences, such as Autism and ADHD, and uncover strategies to ensure giftedness is acknowledged within neurodiversity-affirming discourse. We also touch on the cultural aspects of giftedness and address the specific support needs of gifted individuals. Don't miss this enlightening discussion that challenges conventional views and advocates for a more inclusive understanding of giftedness.  Jennifer Harvey Sallin is a psychologist who specialises in supporting intellectually gifted adults. Giftedness is often a forgotten neurodivergence, with its own special needs throughout the lifespan. Jennifer raises awareness about this form of neurodivergence through her work, especially as the founding director of an international community and support organisation for gifted adults, InterGifted (www.intergifted.com). She has created a model of giftedness that looks at more than just intellectual intelligence, and includes emotional, sensual, physical, creative and existential intelligences, as well as giftedness co-occurring with other neurodivergences, such as ADHD, autism, learning differences, and other brain differences (often called "twice- and multi-exceptionality"). She is especially interested in the role of trauma and healing on the gifted person's path, and explores this topic in-depth on her Conversations on Gifted Trauma podcast, which can be found on Spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts. She lives in Switzerland and works throughout the world with the gifted population. For more information about InterGifted and resources mentioned: Jennifer's holistic giftedness model: www.intergifted.com/what-is-giftedness InterGifted's International Community: www.intergifted.com/gifted-community Gifted Psychology Training with Jennifer: www.intergifted.com/gifted-psychology-training InterGifted's Blog: www.intergifted.com/articles Other Courses with InterGifted: www.intergifted.com/courses Support for gifted parenting: www.ourgiftedkids.com For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin introduces Tara, who is joining Caitlin at Cathartic Collaborations. Cathartic Collaborations provides Neurodivergent and LGBTQIA+ affirming therapeutic services for Autistic folks, ADHDers and their families in Brisbane and online Australia wide. Tara shares their journey into Social Work, specialising in Neurodivergent and LGBTQIA+ affirming practice. Both Caitlin and Tara, as Social Workers, discuss their experiences and perspectives in their field, emphasising the importance of critical reflective practice for self-awareness and understanding their own neurodivergence. They cover topics such as the social model of disability, harm reduction in self-harm behaviours, and the challenges faced by people with disabilities. They share the unique challenges of supporting these communities, including issues faced by young people transitioning and misinformation surrounding trans issues. Throughout, they highlight the resilience and strength of the Neurodivergent and LGBTQIA+ communities. Tara is a queer, neurodivergent (Autistic & ADHD), and non-binary Accredited Social Worker. Tara is passionate about providing therapeutic support to neurodivergent and LGBTQIA+ adolescents and young adults. Tara works with Caitlin (Co-host of Divergent Dialogues) at Caitlin’s private practice Cathartic Collaborations. Cathartic Collaborations provides Neurodivergent and LGBTQIA+ affirming therapeutic services for Autistic folks, ADHDers and their families in Brisbane and online Australia wide. For more information about Cathartic Collaborations and working with Tara: Tara Scott Cathartic Collaborations [email protected] https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/

In this enlightening episode, Caitlin and Teena explore effective strategies and accommodations for Autistic folks and ADHDers in educational settings. They dive into the importance of customising learning approaches to suit the unique needs of each person, emphasising the role of understanding executive functioning and sensory profiles. The duo discusses the power of artificial intelligence in task planning and organisation for those facing executive functioning challenges, and the necessity of adhering to AI usage policies in educational environments. They also share personal insights and strategies for managing sensory issues, stress, and anxiety, to enhance learning. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this engaging episode, Caitlin and Teena explore the unique challenges and experiences of Autistic folks and ADHDers in learning environments. They delve into the complexities of social relationships in school, the transition to high school, and the impact of neurodivergence on learning. From discussing struggles like sensory overwhelm, to sharing personal stories about school parades and the anxieties tied to attention and memory, they offer an insightful look into the nuanced challenges faced in educational settings. The conversation also covers the dynamics of friendships, the pressures on executive functioning, and alternative learning options such as homeschooling and flexible learning options. Highlighting the importance of understanding, respecting individual differences, and accommodating neurodivergence, Caitlin and Teena share their ideal learning environments. Join them for a deep dive into the realities of navigating learning environments while embracing neurodiversity. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode, we dive deep into the intertwined worlds of OCD and Autism. Caitlin and Teena are joined by Simon Rinne who is a Social Worker, Mens Mental Health Advocate and Lived Experience Therapist at Mindful Men. Simon shares his raw and personal journey with OCD. From exploring the co-occurrence of repetitive behaviours in autism and OCD, to understanding the nuances of obsessive behaviours, this episode sheds light on the importance of sharing experiences to dismantle stigma and enhance understanding. We delve into the driving forces behind repetitive behaviours in Autism and OCD and the critical need for greater awareness and understanding. For more information about Mindful Men:  www.mindful-men.com.au For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Teena and Caitlin shared personal stories and professional insights on their experiences of organisation and self care. From the pressures of matching conventional expectations to the quest for effective coping mechanisms, they explore how Autistic folks and ADHDers navigate life differently. Discover the importance of tailored organisational strategies and personalising your self care routine to manage sensory inputs and maintain mental and physical health. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin and Teena dive deep into the power of reframing expectations for Autistic folks and ADHDers. They share their personal experiences and insights on the journey towards embracing their differences and leveraging them for success. They discuss the societal pressures of conforming to traditional notions of success and productivity and advocate for a more flexible approach that celebrates the exploration of diverse interests and skills. They also explore the delicate balance between providing support and fostering independence in Autistic children, and the importance of nurturing each individual's unique talents. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin and Teena were joined by Joey Remenyi vestibular audiologist, neuroplasticity therapist, author (Rock Steady: Healing Vertigo or Tinnitus with Neuroplasticity) and the Founder of Seeking Balance International. Joey shared her personal experience of living with vertigo and tinnitus, emphasising the importance of understanding and responding to our bodies' sensory signals. She highlighted the role of neuroplasticity in addressing the root causes of symptoms and the potential for recovery and relief. Caitlin, Teena and Joey discussed the complexities of vestibular conditions and the importance of understanding and accepting bodily experiences. For more information about our podcast hosts and guest check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth Joey Remenyi Seeking Balance International https://www.seekingbalance.com.au/ https://www.youtube.com/@SeekingBalanceInternational

Caitlin and Teena discussed sensory accommodations and self-soothing strategies for Autistic folks and ADHDers. They emphasised the importance of utilising a combination of accommodations and strategies. They also highlighted the value of mindfulness in helping individuals better understand their own reactions and emotions, and the importance of understanding one's unique sensory profile. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode, Caitlin and Teena discussed sensory overwhelm and underwhelm, shedding light on sensory sensitivities. They underscored that these variations are not a choice, can be disabling, and necessitate accommodations beyond noise-cancelling headphones! Teena and Caitlin stressed the importance of sensory stimulation for Autistic folks and ADHDers. They explored the understanding of sensory differences in Autism and ADHD, with a focus on personalised support and the lasting impact of sensory overwhelm. Furthermore, they delved into stimming as a means to meet sensory needs, advocating for the normalisation of such behaviours for self-expression. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin and Teena discussed emotions experienced by Autistic folks and ADHDers. They explored the difficulties in identifying and labelling emotions among Autistic folks, the societal perception of the emotion of anger, the different expressions of meltdowns in men and women, the importance of sharing lived experiences and the role of mindfulness in managing emotions. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborationshttps://catharticcollaborations.com.au/Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Healthhttps://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin and Teena discussed the challenges of understanding and expressing emotions, particularly in the context of Autism and ADHD. They emphasised the importance of normalising emotions, the need for more research on the emotional experiences of Autistic folks and ADHDers, and the societal expectations that limit emotional expression. They also shared their personal experiences and struggles with intense emotions, highlighting emotional flooding and Alexithymia. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below:Caitlin HughesCathartic Collaborationshttps://catharticcollaborations.com.au/Social media: @cathartic.collaborationsTeena MoglerBalance Centre for Mental Healthhttps://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

In this episode Caitlin and Teena discussed the executive functioning challenges faced by Autistic folks and ADHDers, including difficulties in flexibility, stress tolerance, emotional regulation, sustained attention, working memory, and task initiation. They also shared their personal and professional experiences and strategies for managing these challenges, emphasising the importance of understanding and accommodating these differences. Additionally, they explored the role of emotion regulation in the diagnosis of ADHD and the unique strengths of Autistic folks in executive functioning. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin and Teena dive into the fascinating topic of executive functioning of Autistic folks and ADHDers. They shed light on the executive functioning challenges faced, emphasising the importance of acknowledging and addressing these struggles. They explore differences in brain structure and connectivity in Autistic folks and ADHDers. They discuss stress and its effect on executive functioning challenges, along with the societal and work contexts that can pose additional hurdles. Caitlin and Teena provide personal insights and strategies for managing these challenges, leaving listeners with a deeper understanding of executive function and its impact on everyday life. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin and Teena shared their experiences and challenges with dating and social interactions as Autistic folks. They discussed the difficulties in navigating societal norms and expectations in relationships. They acknowledged that these challenges add complexity to the dating process for Autistic folks. They emphasised the importance of direct communication, prioritising personal needs in relationships, finding unique solutions to problems, and the need for understanding and accommodation of individual needs. They also highlighted the importance of structure, communication, consent, flexibility, and growth in relationships. For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhea... Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Caitlin and Teena discussed the challenges faced by ADHDers in romantic relationships, including impulsivity, rejection sensitivity and attention regulation. They emphasised the importance of understanding and respecting these challenges, along with the need for establishing healthy boundaries. The conversation further explored the importance of understanding neurotypical expectations in relationships and how ADHDers might approach managing these expectations. They also explored the challenges faced in relationships when one partner is an ADHDer and the importance of equity in relationships. They emphasised the importance of balance and mindfulness in relationships, noting that it's crucial to address one's own needs while also considering your partner's needs. Don't forget to explore our previous episodes! For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Topic - Self Esteem Teena and Caitlin delved into the significance of self esteem and the unique challenges faced by Autistic folks and ADHDers. They also explored the detrimental impact of external influences and societal perceptions on Autistic folks and ADHDers, emphasising the need for understanding, acceptance, and focusing on individual strengths. The conversation delves into the effects of sensory overload, difficulties in social interaction, struggles with memory and the 'double empathy problem'. Additionally, they discussed the importance of mindfulness, self-acceptance, and supportive relationships in boosting self esteem. Don't forget to explore our previous episodes! For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth

Topic - Introductory Episode IMPORTANT: Watch this episode first as it's the introductory episode for Divergent Dialogues which will help to provide context for all the following episodes. Caitlin and Teena, both Accredited Mental Health Social Workers in private practice in Brisbane, shared their experiences as Autistic/ADHDers and how these have influenced their therapeutic approaches. They also discussed their current roles as academic tutors and their upcoming PhDs. Caitlin's research will focus on autistic mental health, while Teena's will explore women's experiences in accessing assessment and diagnosis of neurodiversity in adulthood. During their conversation, Caitlin and Teena delved into the multidimensional approach to human development (Harms, 2021), which encompasses the inner dimensions of biopsychosocial and spiritual aspects, as well as the outer dimensions of relationships and environment. They underscored the importance of acknowledging the intricacy and diversity of Autism and ADHD, which can be influenced by cultural and familial factors. As social workers, Caitlin and Teena shared their approach to working with Autistic folks and ADHDers, emphasising their dedication to social justice, human rights, and empowering individuals. They also revealed their plans to launch a fortnightly podcast to further delve into these topics. Here is a link to the diagram of the multidimensional approach to human development (Harms, 2021) discussed during the episode: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oFrnuLZby5EZRNT_XXF1Il7weRKUpiLX/view?usp=drive_link For more information about our podcast hosts check out the links below: Caitlin Hughes Cathartic Collaborations https://catharticcollaborations.com.au/ Social media: @cathartic.collaborations Teena Mogler Balance Centre for Mental Health https://www.balancecentreformentalhealth.com.au/ Social media: @balancecentreformentalhealth