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Fly Out Day
by Punchbowl News
Fly Out Day lands every Thursday evening with a front-row seat to the chaos and conversations behind Capitol Hill’s final countdown of the week. Hosts Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman — Punchbowl News founders and best-selling authors — deliver unfiltered insight into key players and high-stakes drama shaping Washington’s most consequential day. Power. People. Politics. All before the weekend scramble.
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Budget Chair Jodey Arrington on reconciliation 3.0 and his political future
House Budget Committee Chair Jodey Arrington (R-Texas) stopped by the Punchbowl News Townhouse to talk reconciliation, Texas politics and his own political future after retirement. Plus, CNN's Manu Raju and Semafor's Nicholas Wu joined our panel discussion, breaking down Arrington's interview.
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CBC Chair Clarke on New York politics, Mamdani and GOP-led redistricting
Congressional Black Caucus Chair Yvette Clarke joins Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer to discuss Republican-led redistricting efforts, why Black Democrats say representation is under threat, New York City politics, Zohran Mamdani and much more. Then stick around as Once Upon A Hill Founder Michael Jones and our own John Bresnahan break down the conversation and what it all means moving forward.
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North Carolina Gov. Josh Stein on redistricting and Trump's Washington
North Carolina Gov. Josh Stein sits down with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer to talk about data center impacts, a potential second term and what being close to President Trump means in his state. Stick around: States Newsroom Jennifer Shutt and our own Max Cohen stop by for townhouse fun!
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Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen on how his party needs to change
🦀 Old Bay in hand, Sen. Chris Van Hollen stopped by the Punchbowl News Townhouse to sit down with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer. They dug into the Voting Rights Act, redistricting battles, funding for the war in Iran and whether a 2028 presidential run could be in the cards. PLUS: NBC News' Scott Wong and Semafor's Burgess Everett stop by for That's Not Gonna Fly 🚫✈️
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Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick on being a moderate in today's GOP
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick, the House Intel member, former FBI agent and national intelligence subcommittee chair, joins Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer to break down to chat about being a moderate in today's GOP, FISA and MUCH more. 🎙️ Stick around after with CNN's Capitol Hill Reporter Sarah Ferris and our own Tax and Financial Services Reporter Laura Weiss for That’s Not Gonna Fly!
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Virginia Democratic Sen. Warner discusses Iran conflict, redistricting and FISA debate
Sen. Mark Warner, the top Democrat in the Intelligence Committee, sits down with Jake Sherman to chat about the escalating Iran crisis, Virginia redistricting, FISA and much more. PLUS: CNBC's Emily Wilkins and our own Andrew Desiderio join after to unpack it all.
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Democratic Rep. Jim McGovern on how he'd change the House
Massachusetts Rep. Jim McGovern joined Anna and Jake in the Punchbowl News Townhouse to break down DHS funding, efforts to curb President Trump’s Iran war powers, House leadership dynamics and more. PLUS The New York Times' Catie Edmonson and Semafor's Nick Wu stop by to join in on the fun with That’s Not Gonna Fly!
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Indiana Sen. Banks on the Iran war and the SAVE Act
Indiana Sen. Jim Banks stopped by the Punchbowl News townhouse for a wide‑ranging conversation with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer — from the war with Iran to his state's redistricting fight and MUCH MORE! PLUS MS NOW White House Correspondent Laura Barrón-López and Punchbowl News' co-founder John Bresnahan join in on the fun with That’s Not Gonna Fly!
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Lankford on the filibuster and Iran
Oklahoma Republican Senator James Lankford joins Anna and Jake at the townhouse ahead of a marathon debate on the SAVE America Act. Plus, HuffPost’s Igor Bobic and our very own Anthony Adragna join the show after the interview!
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California Rep. Ro Khanna sounds alarm on war in Iran
California Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna stopped by the townhouse to talk with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer about his Iran war powers resolution, the latest on the Epstein files, AI policy and MUCH more. PLUS The Boston Globe's Jackie Kucinich and our very own Max Cohen join in to break down the conversation.
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CA Sen. Alex Padilla on DHS shutdown and 2026
Senator Alex Padilla gets candid on California politics, DHS shutdown, SAVE Act and the DNC. PLUS NOTUS’ Daniella Diaz and CNN’s Lauren Fox stop by for a lively reporter panel!
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Jordan on Epstein files, DOJ & 2026 elections
House Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) joined Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer in the Punchbowl News Townhouse to discuss Attorney General Pam Bondi’s House Judiciary hearing, Funding for DHS and FISA reauthorization.
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Rep. Anna Paulina Luna vs. Senate Republicans
Florida Rep. Anna Paulina Luna stopped by the Punchbowl News Townhouse — and covered a lot. From the SAVE Act and the filibuster to the Russia-Ukraine war and even UFOs. PLUS: MS NOW’s Mychael Schnell and Punchbowl News’ John Bresnahan jump in for a spirited round of That’s Not Gonna Fly!
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Inside the funding fight with Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto
Nevada Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto joins Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer to dig into DHS funding, her future in the Senate and President Trump's tariffs. PLUS stick around for frequent flyers Igor Bobic and our own Andrew Desiderio.
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Democratic Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar on the frontlines of the funding fight
California Rep. Pete Aguilar joins Jake and Anna at the townhouse to talk appropriations, California politics, redistricting, internal dynamics shaping the House and much more. Then CNN's Sarah Ferris and our very own Heather Caygle join after the interview for a fun That's Not Gonna Fly!
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How Virginia Sen. Kaine is battling Trump
Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine sat down with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer to take us behind the scenes of the war powers resolution, his latest meeting with officials from Denmark and Greenland, how he thinks Leader Schumer is doing— and much more.
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Missouri Sen. Eric Schmitt on why the U.S. needs Greenland
Missouri Sen. Eric Schmitt stopped by the Townhouse to chat with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer to break down why he thinks the U.S. should pursue Greenland, the capture of former Venezuela President Nicolás Maduro — and more. PLUS don’t miss the debrief with NBC News' Julie Tsirkin and our very own Anthony Adragna.
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NY GOP Rep. Mike Lawler on defying leadership
GOP Rep. Mike Lawler stopped by the townhouse to break down his chaotic week with Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman. PLUS stellar panelists John Bresnahan and Mychael Schnell brought us their insights.
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Sen. Jeanne Shaheen on what’s next in the health care battle
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, who's in the middle of a ton of fights, stopped by the Punchbowl News Townhouse for a conversation with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer. Plus CBS News' Robert Costa and our own Andrew Desiderio join to break down the interview and share their take on What's Not Gonna Fly this week! Stick around to hear what to expect in our new Defense vertical from Punchbowl News Reporter Briana Reilly.
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NY GOP Rep. Stefanik opens up on her feud with Speaker Johnson
NY GOP Rep. Elise Stefanik sits down with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer to chat about her feud with Speaker Johnson, her gubernatorial bid and more! Stick around after for That’s Not Gonna Fly with The Wall Street Journal's Olivia Beavers and The New York Times' Carl Hulse.
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Breaking Down the Health Care Fight with Sen. Bill Cassidy
Sen. Bill Cassidy sits down with Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer to chat about the future of health care, RFK Jr. and a possible Trump endorsement. Stick around after for That’s Not Gonna Fly with our very own Andrew Desiderio and NBC News's Ryan Nobles. Fly Out Day lands every Thursday evening — your front-row pass to Capitol Hill’s end-of-week chaos and conversations.
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Majority Whip Emmer opens up about Epstein probe, shutdown aftermath and more
Majority Whip Tom Emmer swings by the townhouse to sit down with Jake Sherman about the Epstein probe, shutdown aftermath and more. Stick around after the interview for a fun That’s Not Gonna Fly with NBC's Scott Wong and The Washington Post's Marianna Sotomayor. Fly Out Day lands every Thursday evening — your front-row pass to Capitol Hill’s end-of-week chaos and conversations.
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Sen. Chris Murphy Digs In
Sen. Chris Murphy stops by the townhouse to unpack Democrats’ Tuesday wins and what it means for the shutdown battle. Stick around after for a conversation with New York Times' Catie Edmondson and The Washington Post's Paul Kane and our fun That's Not Gonna Fly segment.
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What's Next In Shutdown Standoff?: No. 2 Dem On Their Strategy
Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer sit down with Democratic Whip Katherine Clark to unpack Democrats’ strategy through the shutdown. Then Geoff Bennett and Julie Tsirkin join for analysis — and a fresh round of That’s Not Gonna Fly.
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Inside the West Wing with James Blair
White House Deputy Chief of Staff James Blair joins Anna and Jake at the Punchbowl News Townhouse to take us inside the government shutdown, now on its 23rd day. • Shutdown: W.H. invites Senate to Rose Garden Club post shutdown • Midterms: Trump's spending on races • That's Not Gonna Fly: Trump's Ballroom Plus, a post-interview breakdown with CNN's Alayna Treene and our very own redistricting expert Ally Mutnick.
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Inside the shutdown with Steve Scalise
House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) joins Anna and Jake at the Punchbowl News Townhouse to take us inside the government shutdown, now on its 16th day. • Shutdown: Scalise brushed off concerns that people will turn their anger toward GOP • Cassidy: Scalise declined to endorse Sen. Bill Cassidy’s (R-La.) reelection effort • Future plans: Scalise said he will run for reelection in 2026 Plus, a post-interview breakdown from MSNBC’s Laura Barrón-López and The New York Times’ Carl Hulse, where they unpack what it all means. Want to stay up on political news throughout the day? Join Punchbowl News' premium membership for the latest in what's happening in Washington. https://punchbowl.news/pricing/
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Sen. Ruben Gallego talks shutdown politics
Sen. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) comes to the Punchbowl News Townhouse to share his views on the government shutdown, now on its ninth day. When will it end? Gallego doesn't see a quick end to the shutdown. ACA: The Arizona Democrat is open to negotiations. Grijalva: Gallego continues to push Speaker Mike Johnson to swear in Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva (D-Ariz.) Plus, John Bresnahan, Punchbowl News' co-founder, and Igor Bobic, HuffPost's senior politics reporter, join for a post-interview conversation.
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Special Edition: The man advising Trump through the shutdown
National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett came to the Punchbowl News Townhouse to talk about the government shutdown. The White House official also spoke about tariffs, saying the Trump administration will send billions of dollars to hurting farmers impacted by tariffs and they don't need Congress to pass a bill to do it. After, Jake and Anna were joined by CNN’s Phil Mattingly and Fox News’ Jacqui Heinrich for a panel discussion.
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Hakeem Jeffries' take: Inside the funding fight
House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries comes to the Punchbowl News Townhouse for an exclusive interview projecting confidence. Shutdown showdown: Jeffries insists Republicans will own a government shutdown, but hopes that progress could be made over the next five days. Redistricting: The House minority leader doesn't see “any circumstance” where Republicans will net 10 new seats by November 2026. The Mamdani of it all: Jeffries still hasn't endorsed Zohran Mamdani for the New York City mayoral election. Plus, Heather Caygle, Punchbowl News' managing editor, and Sarah Ferris, CNN Capitol Hill reporter, join for a post-interview conversation.
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Senate Minority Leader Schumer gets candid on shutdown politics
Punchbowl News co-founders Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer sit down with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for an exclusive interview discussing: The prospects of a government shutdown; who's to blame? NYC mayoral election; will Schumer endorse Zohran Mamdani? And, the Buffalo Bills Plus, Andrew Desiderio, Punchbowl News' senior congressional reporter, and Burgess Everett, Semafor's congressional bureau chief, join for a post-interview conversation.
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Senate Majority Leader Thune on political violence, shutdowns and tariffs
Punchbowl News co-founders Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer sit down with Senate Majority Leader John Thune for an exclusive interview. They discuss:- The reaction to the assassination of Charlie Kirk- Reflect on the anniversary of 9/11- Government funding- And more...
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Speaker Mike Johnson on Shutdowns, Epstein & 2026
🚨 Fly Out Day Episode 1 🚨 Punchbowl News co-founders Jake Sherman and Anna Palmer sit down with Speaker Mike Johnson for an exclusive interview. They discuss: • The possibility of a government shutdown this fall • Johnson’s thoughts on how Congress is handling the Jeffrey Epstein situation • The 2026 elections Plus a conversation with CNN’s Manu Raju and the Boston Globe’s Jackie Kucinich. Plus, John Bresnahan. This wide-ranging, inside-the-Beltway conversation kicks off our new YouTube series, Fly Out Day — where Washington’s most powerful leaders share what’s really happening on Capitol Hill. 🔔 Subscribe for more episodes every week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmagDxvmbBpjzKg09LmBSow 📩 Sign up for Punchbowl News: https://punchbowl.news/ 🐦 Follow us on X: https://x.com/PunchbowlNews
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Introducing Fly Out Day
Fly Out Day captures the real conversations Washington insiders are already having before we lose them for the weekend. Canned talk points? That’s not going to fly at the PBN townhouse. Subscribe to watch weekly on our YouTube channel.
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Fly Out Day lands every Thursday evening with a front-row seat to the chaos and conversations behind Capitol Hill’s final countdown of the week. Hosts Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman — Punchbowl News founders and best-selling authors — deliver unfiltered insight into key players and high-stakes drama shaping Washington’s most consequential day. Power. People. Politics. All before the weekend scramble.
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