Never Thought We'd Be Here

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Never Thought We'd Be Here

Join Maya Grobel, psychotherapist, parent via embryo donation, and EM•POWER with Moxi/Moxi Matching co-founder, as she talks with guests about all things embryo donation. Hear real stories from embryo donors and recipients, and listen in as Maya and the Moxi Matching team tackle questions about directed embryo donation/donor conception, sharing genetics, and the meaning of family. EM•POWER with Moxi is an organization deeply rooted in education, support, and ethical practices for embryo donation. And Moxi Matching is a directed embryo donation matching platform and journey management service.

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    Navigating New Relationships in Embryo Donation -- Meet Loretta & Alexandra

    In this episode of Never Thought We’d Be Here, host Maya Grobel is joined by two recipients, Loretta and Alexandra.Loretta and Alexandra matched with the same embryo donors and are currently pregnant at the same time. In this conversation they share their stories that highlight the value and importance of the connection that directed embryo donation provides as well as how they have been navigating the new relationship they have with each other and their donors, how they conceptualize their unique extended family structure, and considerations around race and ethnicity as they each prepare to meet their babies very soon!Chapters:00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Stories02:11 Personal Journeys to Embryo Donation04:08 Finding the Right Donor Couple07:29 Navigating Relationships with Donors10:27 Building Connections and Communication16:19 Establishing a New Family Dynamic21:38 Navigating Family Dynamics with New Siblings24:00 Establishing Foundations: The Power of Communication26:32 Inclusive Language: Redefining Family Connections28:38 Flexibility in Family Definitions31:03 Pride in Family: Overcoming Societal Judgments34:07 Navigating Biracial Identity and Societal Perceptions36:48 Embracing the Unknown: The Journey of Parenthood42:49 Reflections on Unexpected Paths to ParenthoodThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Building Relationships Through Embryo Donation -- Meet Genieve and Clare

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Genieve and Clare, Embryo Donor and Recipient. This conversation explores the journey of embryo donation through the experiences of Genieve and Clare, who share their expectations, emotional challenges, and the evolving relationship between donor and recipient families. Together they discuss the importance of communication, setting boundaries, and the joy of building a family through this unique process. Their dialogue highlights the significance of openness and honesty in navigating the complexities of embryo donation and the beautiful connections that can form as a result.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Journey05:14 Building Relationships Through Communication10:40 Establishing Communication Ground Rules16:26 Reflections on the Journey and Future Plans23:10 The Dance of Co-Parenting31:33 Support Systems and Family ReactionsThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.You can also check Clare out as she shares her story on the CBS evening news.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/embryo-donation-on-the-rise-families-connection/Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    An Embryo Donor Extraordinaire – Meet Jen

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Jen, a three-time embryo donor.In their conversation, Jen shares her unique journey as an embryo donor, discussing her motivations for donating embryos to multiple recipients simultaneously. She reflects on the emotional complexities of the donation process, the relationships formed with recipients, and how her identity has evolved through this experience. Jen emphasizes the importance of open-mindedness and flexibility in navigating the challenges and joys of embryo donation, ultimately highlighting the positive connections that have emerged from her decision.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Journey02:02 Motivations Behind Embryo Donation04:58 Deciding to Donate to Multiple Recipients06:58 Meeting the Recipients: Expectations vs. Reality13:23 Evolving Relationships with Recipients26:25 Identity as an Embryo Donor27:55 Reflections on the Donation ProcessThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    The Importance of Understanding Your Family Building Options -- Meet Jessica

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Jessica, a parent via embryo donation with two very different journeys.In this conversation, Jessica shares her personal journey, discussing her initial experiences with infertility, the decision to pursue embryo donation, and the importance of genetic equity in family building. Their conversation delves into the nuances of anonymity in donation, the emotional connections formed during the process, and the challenges of discussing origins with children. Jessica offers valuable advice for prospective parents considering embryo donation, emphasizing the importance of advocacy and the joy of parenthood.Chapters00:00 Embarking on the Embryo Donation Journey04:53 Understanding Genetic Equity in Family Building09:07 Navigating Anonymity and Connection in Donation11:43 The Experience of Directed Donation16:10 Discussing Origins with Children21:12 Advice for Prospective Parents on Embryo DonationThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!Follow us on Instagram: @empowerwithmoxiFind us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/empowerwithmoxi

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    The Journey of a Donor Conceived Person – Meet Jay

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Jay, a parent via embryo donation and a donor conceived person.In this conversation, Maya and Jay explore the multifaceted world of donor conception, focusing on Jay's personal journey as a donor-conceived individual and a parent through embryo donation. They discuss the evolution of language and identity in donor conception, the importance of medical information, and the complexities of connecting with donor siblings. Jay shares insights on the matching process for embryo donation and the emotional dynamics involved in building relationships with donor families. The conversation emphasizes compassion and understanding in navigating the donor conception landscape.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Perspectives02:48 Jay's Origin Story and Early Understanding07:15 The Journey of Discovery: Finding the Donor09:45 Connecting with Half-Siblings: A Unique Experience13:23 The Nuances of Genetics and Family Connections17:31 Embryo Donation Journey: Decision-Making Process20:56 Evolving Relationships with Donor Families24:20 Conceptualizing Family: Expanding Definitions26:58 The Importance of Language in Identity33:36 Final Thoughts on Compassion and ReformThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    The Legal Landscape of Embryo Donation -- Meet Amanda

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Family Formation Attorney, Amanda Troxler. As a disclaimer, nothing in this episode should be considered legal advice.In this conversation, Maya and Amanda delve into the intricate world of embryo donation, exploring the legal aspects, personal experiences, and the importance of relationships in this unique field. Amanda shares her journey into family formation law, emphasizing the significance of understanding the emotional and personal dimensions of legal contracts. They discuss the essential elements of embryo donation agreements, including consent, communication, and future contact expectations. Their conversation highlights the varying state laws regarding embryo disposition and the necessity of having independent legal representation to ensure that all parties feel heard and supported. Ultimately, the discussion underscores the importance of viewing embryo donation as a relationship rather than just a legal transaction, fostering a collaborative and open-minded approach to family formation.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation and Legal Perspectives02:12 Amanda's Journey into Reproductive Law04:44 Understanding Embryo Donation Contracts08:38 Consent and Redonation of Embryos10:26 Embryo Disposition After Use14:34 State Laws and Legal Definitions16:52 Anonymous vs. Directed Donation18:25 The Importance of Legal Representation21:13 Preparing for Legal Meetings23:03 Advice for Embryo Donation Participants24:24 Challenges in Embryo Donation Relationships26:47 The Beauty of Embryo Donation RelationshipsThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Exploring the World of Embryology – Meet Alease

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Embryologist, Alease Barnes, better known as Alease the Embryologist on Social Media.In this conversation, Maya and Alease delve into the intricate world of embryology, focusing on embryo donation and the role of embryologists. Alease shares her journey into the field, the importance of education in reproductive health, and the nuances of embryo grading and PGT testing. They discuss the evolving landscape of embryo donation, the significance of patient expectations, and the future of technology in embryology. Their conversation emphasizes the need for informed decision-making for both donors and recipients, highlighting the complexities and emotional aspects of the process.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryology and Donation06:45 The Role of the Embryologist11:46 Understanding PGT Testing18:31 Embryo Grading and Its Implications25:33 Navigating the Landscape of Embryo Donation29:41 Embryo Freezing and Success Rates34:48 Patient Perspectives on Embryo Donation36:31 Counseling Donors on Disposition Options39:52 Understanding Embryo Quality and Matching42:34 Exploring Mosaic and Early Stage Embryos51:04 Future of Embryology and TechnologyThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Want to work with Alease? Learn more at https://aleasetheembryologist.com/ and follow Alease on IG and TikTok @alease_the_embryologistLove what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Understanding Your Unique Family Story -- Meet Mika

    In the Season 2 premier of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by her husband Noah, and their daughter, Mika. In this heartfelt conversation, they discuss the journey of their family through embryo donation. Mika shares her understanding of her unique story, the importance of genetics, and how she navigates conversations about her origins with friends. As a family, they reflect on the significance of open communication, the nature versus nurture debate, and the emotional connections that define family beyond genetics. They also address the normalization of different family structures and offer advice to other donor-conceived children.Chapters:00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation02:31 Understanding Family Dynamics04:49 Genetics and Identity08:14 Curiosity About Donor Helpers11:06 The Concept of Nature vs. Nurture14:17 Reflections on Family Differences16:00 The Journey to Parenthood18:55 The Importance of Connection21:08 The Role of Communication24:05 Normalizing Different Family Structures25:44 Advice for Other Kids and Parents27:18 Connecting with Donor FamiliesThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our website.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or leaving us a 5-Star rating or review!Have a topic you'd like us to cover or interested in being a guest? Email us at [email protected]

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    Favorite Moments and Important Lessons -- Season One Finale

    Season One of ‘Never Thought We'd Be Here' has officially wrapped! In our final episode, host Maya Grobel revisits some of our favorite moments and highlights from different episodes of Season One. From real talk about embryo donation and family building to the deeply personal stories that brought us here, each episode this season has shown the different ways directed, or known, embryo donation can look for both embryo donors and embryo recipients. Thank you to each of our guests that shared their stories with us this season, and thank you to each of you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you heard in Season One? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!Have questions or a topic you want us to cover in Season Two? Send us a message or an email!

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    Directed Donation: What It Is vs. What It Can Be -- A Conversation with Jen

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by EM•POWER with Moxi co-founder, Jen Vesbitt!Maya and Jen discuss the concept of directed donation, particularly in the context of embryo donation. They explore the importance of connection between donors and recipients, the emotional complexities involved, and the evolving nature of these relationships over time. Their conversation emphasizes the need for education and understanding in making informed decisions about donation, as well as the significance of maintaining open lines of communication between all parties involved. Through personal anecdotes and insights, they highlight the unique experiences of both donors and recipients, and the importance of creating a supportive community around embryo donation.Chapters00:00 Understanding Directed Donation04:30 The Importance of Connection in Donation09:21 Navigating the Choice: Directed vs. Anonymous Donation14:14 The Evolution of Relationships in Donation18:43 Personal Experiences and Emotional Connections23:27 The Future of Directed Donation28:03 Normalizing Embryo Donation ConversationsThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Finding Purpose After Your IVF Journey -- Meet Claire

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Claire, mom of two and embryo donor. In this conversation, Claire shares her journey as an embryo donor, discussing the motivations behind her decision, the emotional connections formed with the recipient family, and the dynamics of navigating family relationships. She reflects on the significance of her experience, the joy of seeing the child born from her embryos, and the importance of being at peace with her choices. Claire emphasizes the need for clarity and readiness in the embryo donation process, highlighting the leap of faith involved in such a significant decision.Chapters00:00 The Journey to Embryo Donation11:01 Connecting with Embryo Recipients21:06 Navigating Family Dynamics27:09 Reflections on the Embryo Donation ExperienceThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Letting Go of Expectations and Finding a New Path to Parenthood -- Meet Melissa

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Melissa, embryo recipient and single mom by choice.Maya and Melissa discuss Melissa's journey through embryo donation as, in Melissa’s words, a single mother by default. They explore the challenges and emotional experiences Melissa faced during her fertility journey, including her initial attempts at conception, the transition to embryo donation, and the importance of community and connection with donors and other recipients. Melissa shares her experiences with matching, the emotional impact of failed transfers, and the joy of her current pregnancy. Their conversation highlights the significance of support, open communication, and the evolving dynamics of family in the context of embryo donation.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Journey01:01 Melissa's Fertility Journey and Initial Challenges04:44 Transitioning to Embryo Donation06:58 The Importance of Connection and Community09:25 First Match Experience and Emotional Impact12:31 Navigating Failed Transfers and Emotional Support15:35 Rematching with New Donors18:51 Connecting with Other Recipients22:04 Building Relationships with Donors and Recipients24:41 Looking Ahead: Future Connections and Family Dynamics28:27 Current Pregnancy Experience and Emotions31:03 Connecting with Other Single Moms by Choice32:48 Final Thoughts and Advice for Future RecipientsThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Answering 3 Common Questions -- A Conversation with Jen

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by EM•POWER with Moxi co-founder, Jen Vesbitt!Maya and Jen answer some of the most commonly asked questions about embryo donation, and discuss the complexities of embryo donation, focusing on the considerations for both donors and recipients. They explore the challenges faced by donors with multiple embryos, the legal and ethical implications of embryo donation, and the importance of building connections between recipients. Their conversation also delves into the logistics of shipping versus traveling for embryo transfers and outlines the typical timeline for the embryo donation journey.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Conversations02:49 Understanding High Number of Embryos05:58 Considerations for Donors and Recipients08:59 Legal and Ethical Aspects of Embryo Donation12:06 Connecting Recipients and Building Relationships14:57 Shipping vs. Traveling for Embryo Transfers18:00 Timeline of the Embryo Donation JourneyThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    An Unexpected Path to Parenthood -- Meet Scott & Ryan

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by embryo recipients, Scott and Ryan.Scott and Ryan are two dads-to-be navigating their journey to parenthood through embryo donation. They share their initial plans for adoption, the challenges they faced, and how they discovered embryo donation as a viable option. They highlight the importance of building relationships with donor families, the dynamics of chosen family, and the fears and hopes they have for their future child. Throughout the conversation, they emphasize the significance of love, community, and open communication in their parenting journey. In this conversation, Maya, Scott, and Ryan  discuss their journey through surrogacy and embryo donation, exploring the dynamics of non-traditional families. They share personal experiences, the emotional connections formed, and the importance of embracing diverse family structures. Their discussion highlights the significance of support systems, the medical processes involved in surrogacy, and the excitement of creating new family traditions. They also offer advice for prospective parents, emphasizing the importance of education and intuition in the journey of parenthood.Chapters00:00 Journey to Parenthood: The Unexpected Path04:53 Discovering Embryo Donation: A New Hope09:29 Connecting with Donor Families: Building Relationships15:56 Navigating Family Dynamics: Language and Identity21:34 Navigating Family Dynamics in Surrogacy24:42 Embracing Non-Traditional Family Structures26:06 The Surrogacy Journey: A Personal Account29:12 Medical Processes and Emotional Connections31:30 Looking Forward: New Traditions and Family Bonds35:59 Advice for Future Parents: Embrace the JourneyThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Building Confidence as an Embryo Recipient -- Meet Lindsay

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by embryo recipient, Lindsay.In this conversation, Lindsay shares her personal journey through infertility and her decision to pursue embryo donation. She discusses the emotional challenges she faced, the importance of support, and how she and her husband navigated their options. Their conversation highlights the significance of embracing new family-building methods and the complexities of genetic connections, ultimately leading to a sense of confidence and hope in their journey to parenthood. Lindsay shares her personal journey through the embryo donation process, detailing her experiences from the initial match meeting with donors to the evolving relationship with them. Lindsay also discusses the challenges faced with clinics, the emotional aspects of the journey, and offers valuable advice for future recipients. This conversation highlights the importance of communication, preparation, and support throughout the process.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Journey01:01 The Fertility Journey and Initial Challenges04:24 Embracing the Shift in Expectations09:46 Deciding on Embryo Donation11:46 Exploring the Spectrum of Relationships15:14 Navigating Fears and Building Confidence18:05 Current Focus and Managing Uncertainty19:00 The Match Meeting Experience22:01 Evolving Relationships with Donors25:08 Navigating Clinic Challenges29:54 Advice for Future Recipients34:55 Reflections on the JourneyThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Understanding Fears and Embracing Feelings -- A Conversation with Jen

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by EM•POWER with Moxi co-founder Jen Vesbit.In this conversation, Maya and Jen explore the emotional landscape of embryo donation, focusing on the fears and feelings experienced by both donors and recipients. They discuss the importance of community support, the challenges of navigating unknowns, and the evolving nature of feelings throughout the donation process. Drawing upon their own lived experiences and years of professional expertise, Maya and Jen emphasize the need for open communication, self-awareness, and the value of seeking support from mental health professionals and community resources.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation and Support07:36 Understanding Donor Fears and Feelings16:50 Navigating the Unknowns of Embryo Donation24:50 Recipient Perspectives and Concerns31:32 Advice for Donors and RecipientsThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    The Importance of Being True to Yourself as an Embryo Donor--Meet Suzanne

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by embryo donor Suzanne.In this conversation, Maya and Suzanne talk about her journey through IVF and the decision to donate her remaining embryos. Suzanne shares her emotional experiences, the challenges she faced during her pregnancies, and the importance of finding the right recipients for her embryos. Their discussion highlights the evolving relationships between donors and recipients, the emotional complexities of embryo donation, and the hope for future families. Suzanne also offers advice for potential donors, emphasizing the importance of being true to oneself throughout the process.Chapters:00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Journey02:52 The Decision to Donate Embryos05:40 Finding the Right Recipients12:12 The Match Meeting Experience20:59 Building Relationships with Recipients29:08 Navigating Success and Challenges35:20 Reflections and Advice for Future DonorsThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    A Lesson in Overcoming Fear and Embracing Love -- Meet Frances

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by embryo recipient Frances.In this episode, Fran shares her deeply personal journey through fertility challenges, IVF experiences, and ultimately, her decision to pursue embryo donation. She discusses the emotional toll of her journey, the importance of support, and the relationships formed with donor families. Fran also reflects on the cultural dynamics and family perspectives surrounding her choices, emphasizing the love and connection that transcends genetics. Her story is one of perseverance, hope, and the evolving definition of family.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Fran's Journey02:39 Fertility Assumptions and Challenges07:51 The IVF Experience and Emotional Toll12:35 Exploring Embryo Donation18:00 Navigating Relationships with Donors24:41 Family Dynamics and Cultural Perspectives30:48 Overcoming Fears and Embracing Love38:07 Looking Forward and Advice for OthersThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    The Importance of Genetic Counseling -- A Conversation with Gina

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Advocate Genetics founder and EM•POWER with Moxi co-founder, Gina Davis.In this conversation, Maya and Gina explore the intricacies of genetic counseling, particularly in the context of embryo donation. They discuss the importance of understanding genetic risks, the role of genetic counseling in decision-making for recipients, and the health disparities that arise from a lack of genetic information. Their conversation also addresses the discomfort that can arise during genetic counseling sessions, especially regarding mental health and family history concerns. Ultimately, they emphasize the empowerment that comes from being informed and prepared as recipients navigate their parenting journey.Chapters:00:00 Introduction to Genetic Counseling and Embryo Donation04:31 Understanding Genetic Counseling and Its Importance08:25 The Role of Genetic Counseling in Decision-Making11:24 Health Disparities and the Need for Genetic Information14:21 Navigating the Uncomfortable Aspects of Genetic Counseling20:27 Addressing Mental Health and Family History Concerns25:06 The Complexity of Genetic Risk Factors30:03 Empowering Recipients Through Genetic Counseling35:55 Final Thoughts and Advice for Recipients and DonorsThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Finding Common Ground as Embryo Donors -- Meet Becky & Dan

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by embryo donors Becky & Dan.In this conversation, Maya speaks with Becky and Dan about their unique journey through embryo donation. They discuss their initial thoughts and feelings about having remaining embryos after IVF, the decision-making process, and the emotional complexities involved. Becky & Dan share their experiences of connecting with recipients, navigating their own fears, and the importance of intentionality in their choices. They also reflect on how they communicate with their children about their biological siblings and offer advice for others considering embryo donation.Chapters00:00 Embarking on the Journey of Embryo Donation02:58 Understanding the Decision-Making Process06:01 Navigating Emotional Trepidations08:50 Finding Common Ground as a Couple11:54 The Role of Intentionality in the Process15:01 Connecting with Recipients18:08 The Evolving Narrative with Children20:57 Meeting the Recipients: A First Date Experience23:59 Reflections on the Embryo Donation Experience26:59 Advice for Future Donors and RecipientsThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Embryo Donation Mindsets -- A Conversation with the Moxi Team

    In this episode of ‘Never Thought We’d Be Here,’ host Maya Grobel is joined again by Jen Vesbit and Gina Davis, the co-founders of EM•POWER with Moxi and Moxi Matching!In this conversation, the Moxi Team explores the concept of an embryo donation mindset, emphasizing the importance of flexibility, openness, and understanding in the donor-recipient relationship. They discuss the evolution of thoughts and feelings surrounding embryo donation, the significance of shared values, and the responsibilities that donors feel towards future children. Through personal anecdotes and reflections, they highlight the emotional journey involved in embryo donation and the necessity of navigating expectations and personal experiences. This conversation delves into the complexities of embryo donation, focusing on the readiness of both donors and recipients. The speakers discuss the emotional and psychological aspects of the process, emphasizing the importance of trust, flexibility, and understanding genetics. They explore the challenges faced by recipients in embracing the genetics of another and the need for open communication between donors and recipients. The overarching theme is the balance between control and flexibility in the embryo donation journey, encouraging individuals to approach the process with an open heart and mind.Chapters00:00 Embryo Donation Mindset Introduction02:45 Understanding the Dance of Embryo Donation05:55 Initial Assumptions and Evolution of Thought09:11 The Role of Feelings in Decision Making11:54 Navigating Expectations and Openness15:14 Untangling Personal Experiences and Responsibilities22:59 Navigating Readiness in Embryo Donation35:09 Embracing Genetics: The Recipient's Perspective45:53 The Dance of Control and FlexibilityThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    The Journey of a Single Mother by Choice -- Meet Jenny

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Jenny, a single mother by choice through embryo donation.During this heartfelt conversation, Jenny shares her journey to motherhood and reflects on her struggles with IVF, the emotional challenges of her fertility journey, and the pivotal moment that led her to embrace embryo donation. Jenny discusses the importance of connection with her donors, the cultural implications of her parenting journey, and the realities of motherhood. She offers valuable advice for others considering similar paths, emphasizing the uniqueness of each journey and the importance of believing in one's dreams of parenthood.Chapters00:00 Journey to Motherhood: A New Beginning05:57 The Shift to Embryo Donation11:51 Navigating Relationships with Embryo Donors17:54 The Reality of Motherhood24:03 Reflections on Identity and FamilyThank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠.Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Finding the Right Match -- A Conversation with Jen

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by EM•POWER with Moxi co-founder Jen Vesbit. In this conversation, Maya and Jen discuss the unique process of embryo donation and matching, emphasizing the importance of understanding both the emotional and scientific aspects of finding the right match. They explore the significance of values, connection, and authenticity in the matching process, as well as the need for flexibility and openness from both donors and recipients.  Their conversation highlights the emotional journey involved in embryo donation, including the challenges of letting go and the gratitude that often accompanies successful matches. Ultimately, they reflect on the beauty of forming new family connections through this process. Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation and Matching03:01 Understanding the Matching Process05:48 Emotional Aspects of Matching09:00 Values and Connection in Matching11:48 Mindset for Donors and Recipients15:08 Openness and Authenticity in Relationships18:02 Letting Go and Emotional Processing21:10 The Role of Gratitude in Matching24:01 Reflections on the Matching Experience26:49 Conclusion and Future Directions Thank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠. Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    Extending Your Family Through Embryo Donation -- Meet Wyatt & Lisa

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by embryo donors Wyatt and Lisa. In this conversation, Wyatt and Lisa share their journey as embryo donors, discussing the emotional complexities of having remaining embryos after their own successful IVF process. They explore the decision-making process regarding their embryos, the importance of finding the right recipient, and the evolving relationship with the recipient throughout her pregnancy.  Wyatt and Lisa reflect on their hopes for future connections between their children and the recipient's child, as well as the language and identity surrounding donor conception. They conclude with advice for potential donors, emphasizing the importance of being on the same page as a couple. Chapters00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Journey06:31 Finding the Right Embryo Recipient15:10 Navigating Emotions and Updates24:12 Language and Identity in Donor Conception32:43 Advice for Potential Embryo Donors Thank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠. Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    The Healing Power of Connection -- Meet the Moxi Matching Team

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel is joined by Jen Vesbit and Gina Davis, the co-founders of EM•POWER with Moxi and Moxi Matching! In this first of many conversations together, Maya, Jen, and Gina discuss their experiences and reflections on embryo donation, exploring the emotional complexities, challenges, and responsibilities involved. They share insights on the importance of education and support for donors and recipients, the evolution of identity in the context of embryo donation, and the creation of new definitions of family. The conversation emphasizes the healing power of connection and the ongoing journey of navigating feelings and relationships in this unique landscape. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Moxi Team04:23 Reflections on the Journey of Embryo Donation08:54 Challenges and Responsibilities in Embryo Donation13:03 The Importance of Education and Support17:28 Navigating Complex Emotions as Donors24:40 The Evolution of Identity in Embryo Donation30:18 Creating New Definitions of Family Thank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠⁠website⁠⁠. Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    A Couple's Journey as Embryo Recipients -- Meet Violet & Jason

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel speaks with Violet & Jason, proud parents of the first Moxi baby via embryo donation! In this heartfelt conversation, Maya, Violet, and Jason explore the emotional journey of becoming parents through embryo donation. They discuss their unexpected path to parenthood, the decision to choose open donation, and the significance of meeting their child’s donor family. The couple shares their experiences of bonding with their newborn son, navigating relationships with the donor family, and the role of genetics in parenting. They also touch on how to communicate the origin story to their children and offer valuable advice for others considering embryo donation. 00:00 Introduction to the Journey of Embryo Donation01:01 The Unexpected Path to Parenthood02:54 Choosing Open Embryo Donation06:09 Meeting the Donor Family09:54 Bonding with the Baby and Family Dynamics11:51 Navigating Relationships with Donors17:00 The Role of Genetics in Parenting20:10 Communicating the Origin Story to Children24:55 Advice for Future Recipients of Embryo Donation Thank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠website⁠. Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review!

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    The Journey of an Embryo Recipient -- Meet Betty

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel speaks with Betty, an embryo donation recipient, about her journey to motherhood as a single mother by choice via embryo donation. Betty discusses her initial struggles with fertility, the exploration of various options including creating donor-donor embryos, and her eventual decision to pursue directed embryo donation. She highlights the importance of human connection in the process, the relationship she built with her donor family, and the emotional experience of meeting them. Throughout the conversation, Betty emphasizes the significance of support, patience, and gratitude in her journey to becoming a mother. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation Journey 06:47 Exploring Embryo Donation as an Option 11:52 The Human Connection in Embryo Donation 18:44 Building Relationships with Embryo Donor Families 24:05 The Emotional Experience of Meeting Embryo Donors 30:37 Looking Forward: Future Connections and Growth 36:28 Gratitude and Reflection on the Journey Thank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our ⁠website⁠. Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review! Have questions about becoming an embryo donor or recipient? Schedule a free 15 minute consultation ⁠here⁠!

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    The Journey of an Embryo Donor--Meet Hannah

    In this episode of 'Never Thought We'd Be Here', host Maya Grobel speaks with Hannah, an embryo donor, about her journey through embryo donation. Hannah shares her experiences with IVF, the emotional complexities of donating embryos, and the relationships she has built with the recipients of her embryos. The conversation explores themes of openness, flexibility, and the importance of communication in navigating the embryo donation process. Hannah reflects on her identity as a donor and the support she has received throughout her journey, emphasizing the significance of being prepared for the unknown and the evolving nature of this experience. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Embryo Donation 02:44 Hannah's Journey as an Embryo Donor 05:12 Building Relationships with Embryo Recipients 08:55 Navigating Expectations and Boundaries 11:45 Emotional Preparedness and Awareness 14:53 The Complexity of Emotions 17:50 Deciding to Donate Embryos 20:56 The Unique Experience of Each Embryo Donation 23:11 Communication Dynamics with Embryo Recipients 25:48 The Role of Flexibility in the Process 29:50 Future Considerations for More Embryo Donations 32:47 Identity as an Embryo Donor 35:53 Looking Ahead and Advice for Others Thank you for listening! To learn more about EM•POWER with Moxi or Moxi Matching, visit our website. Love what you're hearing? Let us know by subscribing or giving us a 5-star rating or review! Have questions about becoming an embryo donor or recipient? Schedule a free 15 minute consultation here!

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    Get to Know EM•POWER with Moxi

    In this into to 'Never Thought We'd Be Here’ Maya introduces the ⁠EM•POWER with Moxi⁠ team and shares their personal journeys with infertility and embryo donation, as well as their professional experiences in the field of reproductive medicine.  Maya is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) and psychotherapist in reproductive medicine. Her diagnosis of diminished ovarian reserve in her early 30s sent her straight to IVF, which resulted in no embryos to transfer and intense heartbreak. Over the next 4 years, she and her husband tried everything assisted reproductive medicine had to offer and documented the entire journey, which resulted in a feature-length film called One More Shot that debuted on Netflix in 2018 and is now available on Amazon. The end of their journey was the birth of their daughter who was conceived via embryo donation.  When Maya isn’t interviewing embryo donors or recipients, she will explore special topics in embryo donation and will be joined by her two partners at EM•POWER, Gina Davis, a board-certified and multi-state licensed genetic counselor and founder of Advocate Genetics, who has been immersed in the field of reproductive medicine for the past 20+ years. Gina is a mother of two via IVF and an open embryo donor. And Jennifer Vesbit, a Nationally Certified Counselor who founded Embryo Donation Support, a web-based community for embryo donors. Jen has twins via IVF and is also an open embryo donor. These three women co-founded EM•POWER with Moxi, an organization deeply rooted in education, support, and ethical practices for embryo donation and  Moxi Matching, a directed embryo donation matching platform where embryo donors and interested recipients can match in a connected and open way. This podcast aims to explore various themes related to embryo donation and alternative family building, providing insights and support for others navigating similar paths.

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ABOUT THIS SHOW

Join Maya Grobel, psychotherapist, parent via embryo donation, and EM•POWER with Moxi/Moxi Matching co-founder, as she talks with guests about all things embryo donation. Hear real stories from embryo donors and recipients, and listen in as Maya and the Moxi Matching team tackle questions about directed embryo donation/donor conception, sharing genetics, and the meaning of family. EM•POWER with Moxi is an organization deeply rooted in education, support, and ethical practices for embryo donation. And Moxi Matching is a directed embryo donation matching platform and journey management service.

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