No Boxes: Just Verses

Leadership is not a static destination; it is a series of layers built through adaptation and personal choice. Danny Guillory has navigated a path that spans from the Philadelphia sound to the front lines of the AI revolution. In this episode, Danny breaks down how early experiences as a "one of one" and the courage to pivot for family created a foundation for leading global workforce transformation. Danny Guillory is a human capital executive leading AI-driven workforce transformation. As Chief People Officer at Gametime, he shapes how organizations redesign talent strategy and employee experience amid technological disruption. Over 25 years, he has held senior roles at Glassdoor, Dropbox, and Autodesk, building deep expertise in integrating AI into workforce planning and organizational change. A Stanford and Harvard Law graduate, Danny previously advised Fortune 500 companies as CEO of Innovations International. He serves on multiple boards and speaks French fluently, with conversational German and Spanish. Key Takeaways:Growing up in 1970s Utah as a "one of one" taught Danny to adapt and shift quickly in any environment.Immersing himself in French civil law as the only American student in his classes demonstrated that initial deficits can be overcome through deep curiosity and discipline.Choosing corporate leadership over a political career allowed Danny to align his professional path with his priority of being a present father.Every prior role, from legal practice to public school board service, adds unique layers of expertise that strengthen an executive’s current leadership.Developing a builder mentality is more critical in the AI era than maintaining static technical knowledge because it fosters rapid experimentation and iteration.Leaders and knowledge workers must avoid becoming attached to specific workflows so they can pivot easily as new AI tools redefine efficiency.What is the one workflow you are willing to throw away today to make room for a more efficient future?Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DANNY GUILLORY:LinkedInMy Vino AmigoPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

This special edition of No Boxes, Just Verses is part of a series featuring leaders from the Iconic Women Awards. These awards are powered by the Recharge Group, a community founded by Dr. Mark Spencer to bring together accomplished professionals from diverse backgrounds to connect, grow, and truly flourish. In this episode, Shannon Nash sits down with Anita Lynch to discuss a career defined by early technical curiosity, high-stakes startup growth, and the future of artificial intelligence. Anita Lynch is a corporate board director and lecturer. She focuses on how AI is reshaping business strategy, decision-making, and corporate governance. A former Chief Data Officer, she now advises leaders of today and tomorrow on turning AI from promise into measurable business value—and is widely recognized for her leadership in technology and innovation. Her interest in AI began in childhood. Today, her work centers on helping leaders navigate its risks, opportunities, and real-world impact.Key Takeaways:Resilience in the Rain: Anita shares her earliest lesson in perseverance via a "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" music box, learning from childhood that you don’t wait for the rain to stop before moving forward.The Athlete Mentality: Her father, a former University of Michigan football player, instilled a sense of discipline and "industriousness" that Anita applied to the high-pressure environments of Silicon Valley.Early AI Curiosity: Long before the current boom, Anita was tinkering with a Radio Shack TRS-80 and reading Isaac Asimov’s Robots of Dawn, falling in love with the ability to create her own worlds through code.Choosing Her Own Path: Anita recounts the pivotal decision to choose UC Berkeley over an Ivy League recruitment, marking a major step toward staying unboxed and self-determined.The Startup Grind: Joining the first wave of internet startups in her early 20s, Anita learned every aspect of tech development by "wearing many hats"—from database administration to UI design.Financial Transparency: A surprise $25,000 raise taught Anita the importance of researching pay bands with people who don’t look like her to ensure she is being compensated fairly.Evolution of Leadership: Anita reflects on shifting her leadership style from pure grit to "lighting up others" and empowering her teams to be the best versions of themselves.A Call to Action for AI: She urges leaders to embrace the ambiguity of AI, discipline themselves to learn new tools like Claude and ChatGPT, and use their voices to determine how technology shapes society.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH ANITA LYNCH:LinkedInInstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

This special edition of No Boxes, Just Verses is part of a series featuring leaders from the Iconic Women Awards. These awards are powered by the Recharge Group, a community founded by Dr. Mark Spencer to bring together accomplished professionals from diverse backgrounds to connect, grow, and truly flourish. In this episode, Shannon Nash sits down with her personal shero, Mary Stutts, to discuss a journey defined by ordered steps, radical resilience, and the power of influence.Mary Stutts is a CEO, board member, author of 5 books and a spiritual innovator with a 25-year track record of achieving business and executive transformations through influence, acumen and expertise. She has been called one of the most powerful and engaging leaders and speakers who "gives love from the stage". Her style of humor and masterful storytelling keeps men, women and youth inspired and longing for more as she shares practical and scriptural examples of overcoming life's obstacles to achieve your personal and career goals.Stutts has provided global leadership to Fortune 500 companies including Genentech, BMS, Bayer, UnitedHealth Group and Comcast NBC Universal as well as Kaiser Permanente and Stanford Health Care. She has led the HBA's strategic and global expansion across the health ecosystem to include closing the women’s health gap, preparing the global future workforce pipeline, funding women innovators and accelerating HBA’s programs beyond the US and Europe to the Asia Pacific, Latin America, the Middle East and Africa. Stutts has earned a Master of Health Administration from USC and completed the Executive Program on Strategy and Organization from the Stanford Graduate School of Business.Key Takeaways:The Resilience of a Foster ChildThe Power of the VoicePivoting in the Face of RacismA Healthcare AwakeningThe Role of a SponsorBecoming a Corporate "Fixer"The Calling to HBAFaith as a MantraThank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH MARY STUTTS:LinkedInInstagramFacebookWebsiteHBA WebsiteThe Missing Mentor (Amazon)Recurring Themes of Exclusion in the Workplace (Amazon)Power Connections (Amazon)Power to Transform: Radical Decrees (Amazon) 10 Keys to Overcoming Disappointment (Amazon) CONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

In this special edition of No Boxes, Just Verses, powered by the Recharge Group, Shannon Nash sits down with Dame Tonya Pitts—a 2025 James Beard semi-finalist and a force of change in the wine industry. Tonya shares the specific moments that shaped her career, moving from a pre-law track in St. Louis to becoming an esteemed sommelier in San Francisco.Tonya Pitts is a pioneering wine professional and leader in diversity and inclusion across the hospitality and media industries. With over three decades of experience in the Bay Area, she has served as an esteemed sommelier and wine director, notably at One Market Restaurant. Her career is marked by a dedication to mentoring and advancing others through national programs like Women in Wine and the United Sommelier Foundation. In 2022, she was honored as Wine Enthusiast’s Wine Director of the Year and received the Hue Society’s Legends Award. Recently, she was nominated as a 2025 James Beard semi-finalist for Outstanding Beverage Professional. Her influential career is also featured in the university textbook, Wine Conversations. Currently, Tonya serves as a Writer-At-Large and Wine Reviewer for Wine Enthusiast Magazine. She continues to shape the industry through her own firm, Tonya Pitts Consulting.Key Takeaways:Foundation in Resilience: Tonya discusses how growing up in St. Louis and the early loss of her father forged her drive for justice and a strong work ethic.The Power of the Pivot: After a full ride to St. Louis University for pre-law, Tonya listened to her creative instincts and transitioned to art and wine in California.Rejecting the "Foot Soldier" Label: Rather than being a "foot soldier" who only executes tasks, Tonya views her career as a tree with many branches, encompassing consulting, writing, and winemaking.Hospitality as Memory-Making: Tonya views a restaurant as a home where professionals create lasting bonds and memories for their guests.Honoring the Ancestors: Tonya recounts the story of her light on the San Francisco Bay Bridge, which she dedicated to the elders who cleared the path for her success.Wine Recommendations from a MasterRed: Bold Syrah from the Sierra Foothills in California.White: Marsanne, Roussanne, Sauvignon Blanc, or Chenin Blanc.Advice on Chardonnay: It isn't always oaky or buttery; try a dry Chardonnay for a Burgundy-style experience without the high cost.Bubbly: Blanc de Blancs (100% Chardonnay) or the Violet’s Paradise project.Tonya’s life soundtrack is a mix of high-energy soul and resilient anthems that mirror her professional journey. Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! Connect with Dame Tonya PittsInstagramLinkedInWebsitePlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

Many leaders believe they have to choose between clinical expertise and executive leadership. Dr. Nicole Barnett proves that the most effective leaders are those who stay grounded in their mission while navigating high-stakes organizational challenges. In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we explore how Dr. Barnett transitioned from a career in nursing to leading large-scale medical centers and eventually serving as the President and CEO of Planned Parenthood Northern California. Dr. Nicole Barnett is a nationally recognized healthcare executive with a career spanning clinical practice, innovation, health equity and nursing education. At Kaiser Permanente she held executive roles including Northern California Regional Director of Nursing and Clinical Practice where she lead pandemic response while ensuring an equitable and culturally sensitive approach to vaccine hesitancy. In her role as COO/CNE at the Richmond Medical Center, she drove performance through innovation while expanding the reach of the medical center through strategic community partnerships and outreach to mitigate health disparities. Her contributions have also included international health justice efforts in Zambia, resulting in the establishment of the first sexual assault response center at the Pediatric Teaching Hospital in Lusaka, as well as the first DNA laboratory. In 2025, she was selected as the President/CEO of Planned Parenthood Northern California where she provides steady strategic leadership of seventeen health centers across 20 counties, in the advancement of reproductive justice. Her awards include the Daisy Health Equity Award and the 2025 Women Healthcare Executives Woman of the Year award. Key Takeaways:Resilience as a Leadership Tool: Dr. Barnett shares how she navigated massive organizational funding cuts by staying focused on the mission.The Power of Faith: Leadership requires a foundation that allows you to say, "it is still a happy day," even during the toughest challenges.Health Equity is Personal: True equity involves understanding a patient's lived experience and removing the specific barriers they face in getting care.Community and "Angels": No leader succeeds alone; support often shows up in unexpected ways when you are doing work that matters.The "Setup" for the Fight: Career challenges are often the preparation for the mission-driven work you were meant to do.Dr. Barnett reminds us that the fight for equity is not just a professional goal—it is a calling. How are you using your own platform to raise your voice for those who need it most? Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DR. NICOLE BARNETT:LinkedInPlaylistLINKS MENTIONED:Northern California Planned ParenthoodCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

Many professionals feel they must stay in one lane for their whole career. You might think that once you pick a field like engineering or law, you are stuck there forever. In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, Evita Grant shows you how to move between very different worlds while keeping your eye on the goal. We examine how a foundation in science and law can lead to a future as a tech CEO.Evita Grant is a multidisciplinary professional whose career spans chemical engineering, medical research, law, and technology entrepreneurship. Across each chapter, she has built a unique perspective at the intersection of science, systems, and society, applying both technical and legal expertise to solve complex, real-world problems.Guided by a north star of contributing to the development of Africa and the African diaspora, her work focuses on expanding access, opportunity, and infrastructure in underserved markets. Whether in the lab, in legal practice, or building technology platforms, Evita’s journey reflects a consistent commitment to creating systems that enable people to thrive.Key Takeaways:Science provides a base for solving any problem. Evita uses her background in chemical engineering to think through complex business challenges.Education is a tool for change. Moving from Ghana to attend MIT and Harvard helped her adapt to new environments and social settings.Law and tech work together. Her legal training helps her manage the complicated rules of starting and running a technology firm.Diverse skills make you a better leader. Having a background in many different fields allows you to see connections that others might miss.Identity is not tied to one job title. You can change your career path and still stay true to the mission you started with.Evita reminds us that our skills are portable across any industry. How can you use your current experience to find a new opportunity in a field you care about?Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH EVITA GRANT:LinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

Many leaders struggle to find their voice when moving between different worlds—whether transitioning from law to management consulting or navigating life as a first-generation American. In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, Tanneasha Gordon shares how she built a career at the intersection of cyber leadership and human-centered systems. We explore the resilience required to manage emerging digital threats while staying grounded in personal faith and identity.Tanneasha Gordon is a nationally recognized cyber leader known for helping organizations navigate complex risk landscapes while building resilient, human-centered systems. With more than 19 years of consulting experience, Tanneasha advises global executives and boards on managing emerging threats, strengthening governance, and embedding trust into digital products and transformation. Her work sits at the intersection of technology, policy, and societal impact, where she has led complex enterprise transformations, shaped responsible AI and digital trust strategies, and helped organizations translate evolving regulatory expectations into durable solutions that drive growth, reduce risk, and ensure compliance.She’s a bestselling author, sought-after speaker, and trusted advisor, and serves on the Leadership Council of Tipping Point Community; she is an avid traveler and lover of all things sci-fi (currently writing a sci-fi novel).Key Takeaways:Pivoting with Purpose: Success often requires the courage to move from a traditional field like law into the fast-paced world of digital threat management.The Power of Human-Centered Systems: Technical governance is most effective when it prioritizes human trust and the safety of the individuals behind the data.Resilience through Personal Setbacks: Overcoming significant life challenges provides the foundation for purpose-driven leadership and high-stakes decision-making.Identity as a Leadership Asset: Embracing your history as a first-generation American allows you to bridge different perspectives and build more inclusive teams.Faith and Timing: Maintaining a sense of purpose involves recognizing that growth often happens on its own timeline, requiring both action and patience.Tanneasha reminds us that the most complex technical problems often require a deeply human solution. How are you using your unique history to build trust in your own professional circles?Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH TANNEASHA GORDON:LinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

Many leaders reach the peak of their corporate career only to find themselves asking what comes next beyond the bottom line. In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, Bryan Neider shares how he bridged the gap between scaling a global tech giant and leading a century-old nonprofit. We explore how to navigate high-pressure transitions while staying grounded in personal values and community impact.Bryan Neider's career spans 35 years in technology and finance, including 26 years at Electronic Arts, where he served as COO of EA's global development organization, overseeing software development and new technology as the company grew from $63 million to over $8 billion in revenue. Bryan brings this deep tech foundation to his current work, holding advanced AI certifications from Vanderbilt University, Stanford University, and Harvard, and is passionate about leveraging innovation for social good.For the past decade, Bryan has served as CEO of AbilityPath, a 105-year-old organization empowering children and adults with developmental disabilities across five Bay Area counties. Under his leadership, AbilityPath completed five strategic mergers and doubled the number of individuals served — now reaching over 1,500 people every week across 15 locations. He serves as Board Chair of Thrive Alliance of Nonprofits of San Mateo County and Board Chair of the Santa Clara University Board of Regents, and is a recipient of the Distinguished Alumni Award from CSU East Bay.Key Takeaways:Integrity builds a safety net during crises.Career aths are rarely linear.Vulnerability is a leadership strength. Technology can restore the human element of care. Inclusive employment benefits the entire organization.Bryan reminds us that everyone has a valuable contribution to make when they are treated with dignity and respect. How can you use your specific professional skills to support a cause you care about?Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH BRYAN NEIDER:AbilityPathLinkedInTEAMS NewsletterPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How do you transition from a South Central bus program to the C-suite of a global healthcare giant, then survive a major health battle to find a new purpose? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with my dear friend Rod Cotton. Rod shares his path of grit and strategy as he moves from the back alley to the boardroom. We discuss the reality of career setbacks, the power of a clear identity, and how he now builds a legacy of impact in Indiana and across the healthcare industry.Rod Cotton is a dynamic leader, board member, and venture partner, serving as the CEO of Cotton Ventures, LLC. With over four decades of executive experience, Rod has empowered startups and established organizations to scale, transform culture, and meet investor expectations. His expertise spans healthcare delivery, innovation, equity, and leadership, and he is a frequent keynote speaker for Fortune 500 companies, non-profits, and universities. Rod’s board and advisory roles include Castle Biosciences (Nasdaq: CSTL), Eisai Pharmaceuticals, Moleculera Biosciences, General Genomics, and Community Health Network, where he champions strategic growth and governance in biotech and health tech sectors.Rod’s career is distinguished by leadership roles at Roche Diagnostics, GlaxoSmithKline, and Baxter International, and he continues to advise CEOs and executive teams in VC-backed healthcare startups. Recognized with honors such as The Sagamore of the Wabash and named among the Most Influential Corporate Directors and Black Executives by Savoy Magazine, Rod is committed to advancing innovation, diversity, and excellence in healthcare. He holds an M.B.A. from California State University, Dominguez Hills, an M.S. in Strategic Management from USC, dual B.A. degrees from UC Santa Barbara, with additional executive training from Harvard and Stanford.Key Takeaways: The Chameleon Effect: Rod reflects on his youth and how a busing program taught him to move between different social environments with confidence. The Power of No: He explains why he rejected a family legacy in medicine to find the golden time of his own career in business. The Respect Standard: Rod shares his experience as a young VP and his method to command respect when skeptical colleagues challenge his presence. The Strategic Rebuild: He details his two-year layoff during the dot-com burst and the grit he used to transform from a sales leader into a world-class strategist. The Choice for Impact: We discuss his cancer survival and his commitment to philanthropy, board service, and the mentorship of the next generation.Rod’s story provides a vivid example that your start does not dictate your finish. If you face a mountain in your career or health, this episode offers a blueprint to look up and get up. Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast!CONNECT WITH ROD COTTON:WebsiteLinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How does a receptionist in a talent agency become the first Black female manager in film and television? In the conclusion of our talk with Dolores Robinson, we explore the rise of a powerhouse who refuses to accept the boxes of the entertainment industry. She packs her children into a station wagon, drives toward the Pacific Ocean, and builds an iconic legacy on her own terms.About Our Guest: Dolores RobinsonDolores Robinson is a legendary talent manager and producer. She founds her own firm in 1976 and guides the careers of icons such as Martin Sheen, Wesley Snipes, and Mark Wahlberg. Today, she resides in California, where she remains a producer and a Hall of Famer. Her life serves as a masterclass in the no boxes mindset. She continues to build her legacy through community work and health advocacy.Key Takeaways From This Episode:Define Your Path: Dolores argues with her agency over the career path of LaVar Burton. She quits her job to found her own firm and secures him as her first client.Reject Narrow Limits: Industry leaders expect her to manage only Black talent. She rejects this limit and manages white stars to gain the leverage required to succeed in the industry.Utilize Proximity: She meets icons like Martin Sheen while she shops for food on the California coast. She uses these organic encounters to build a massive network of Hollywood legends.Accept Industry Cycles: Managers often face rejection when stars reach the top of their careers. She accepts that clients eventually part ways and refuses to let it disturb her peace.Prioritize Radical Health: At nearly 90 years old, she takes no medications and walks 5,000 steps a day. She treats her body with respect to ensure she lives a long, vibrant life.Celebrate Love: In her current chapter, she acts as an officiant for weddings. She uses her platform to lift others and celebrate the strength of community.CONNECT WITH DOLORES ROBINSON:InstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

I sat down with Dolores Robinson for an encounter that unfolded into much more than a conversation. This session captures history, wisdom, and lived experience in real time. Quite honestly, her impact remains way too powerful to fit into just one episode. For this reason, I present this discussion in two parts, and this is part one.How does a woman from a tiny town in Pennsylvania build her own ladder to the top of the Hollywood elite? In the first half of this special two-part episode, I sit down with a true legend who shatters every glass ceiling in her path.Dolores Robinson holds the title of the first Black female manager in film and television history. She built her own ladder and founded her own entertainment firm in 1976. She guides the careers of icons such as Martin Sheen, Wesley Snipes, and Mark Wahlberg. Today, she resides in California, where she remains a producer and a Hall of Famer. Her life serves as a masterclass in the no boxes mindset.Key Takeaways:The Daughter of Battle: Her mother, nicknamed Battle, models radical resilience. This foundation proves that if her mom can battle, she can battle.The Bold Choice: In college in Pennsylvania, she refuses to sit at the segregated table. She occupies space with confidence and forms her own core group.Radical Independence: After her marriage ends, she vows to never depend on another person for her security. She rejects pity in all forms and chooses immediate action.The Cross-Country Leap: With two children in a 1968 Volvo, she drives across the country. She trades her life in the East for the potential of the California coast.The Impact of Support: A teacher sees her talent before she does. This belief alters her entire career path and helps her realize her true worth.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DOLORES ROBINSON:InstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How do you transition from a childhood in Jakarta to a seat on the boards of top public tech companies in the United States?In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with Sonita Lontoh. We discuss her early culture shock at UC Berkeley, her courage to defy expectations in business school, and her proven strategy to secure public board seats.ABOUT SONITA:Sonita Lontoh is an accomplished public company board director with expertise in AI, technology innovation, and customer trust. She currently serves on the boards of Sunrun (Nasdaq: RUN), the largest consumer energy company in the US, TrueBlue (NYSE: TBI), a global workforce solutions company, partner at Alpha, an AI governance company, and an advisor to Sway Ventures, a Silicon Valley VC firm. Prior, over her 25-year diverse global career as a senior executive at both new innovative businesses within large global Fortune 100 companies such as HP, Siemens, PG&E and at entrepreneurial, VC-backed Silicon Valley technology companies, she had led programs that have delivered positive impact to businesses, consumers, and society. She is a purpose-driven leader passionate in advancing technology for humanity. She has been recognized by the White House, the US State Department, the Financial Times, the San Francisco Business Times, and inducted into the Asian Hall of Fame and the Women in Manufacturing Hall of Fame. Sonita earned her master’s in engineering from MIT, her MBA from Northwestern Kellogg, and her B.S. in engineering from UC Berkeley.Key Takeaways:The Global Perspective: Sonita grew up in Jakarta, Indonesia, as a triple minority. This early reality forced her to interact with diverse groups and helped her develop a robust global perspective.The Courage to Defy the Herd: At Northwestern Kellogg, she noticed most students blindly pursued careers in finance or corporate strategy. She chose to enter the energy sector at PG&E because she wanted to work at the intersection of technology and societal impact.The Power of Mentors: Throughout her corporate ascent, Sonita consistently found leaders who believed in her potential and offered her massive opportunities. Today, she dedicates her time to elevate the next generation of leaders.The Out-of-the-Box Brand: Sonita built a distinct reputation because she consistently accepted assignments that others viewed as undesirable or risky. This unique brand caused top executives to recruit her when they needed to build new business models.The Portfolio Life: In her current career phase as a public company board director, she advises professionals to focus on organic connections rather than transactional requests. She also emphasizes the absolute necessity to select boards with healthy cultures and aligned values.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH SONITA LONTOH:WebsiteLinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How do you go from assisting your parents with residential construction in rural Wisconsin to the top executive role at the largest state CPA society in the country?In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with Denise Froemming. We discuss her pivot from healthcare aspirations to accounting, the realities of family obligations early in a career, and the reasons she views the CPA credential as the ultimate career accelerator.About Our Guest: Denise FroemmingDenise is a CPA and the CEO and President of CalCPA. She built her career around organizational expansion, community outreach, and leadership development. She currently focuses on the future of accounting: talent, innovation, advocacy, and the strategies required so the profession stays essential and relevant in a dynamic world.Denise has a strong passion for the mentorship of the next generation of accounting and finance leaders. She believes that lasting impact comes not just from our achievements, but from how we uplift and inspire others. This belief reflects a famous sentiment from Maya Angelou, which states that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.Key Takeaways:The Wisconsin Work Ethic: In her youth, Denise assisted her parents with the construction and finishing work of rough houses on the weekends. This instilled a foundational belief that you simply work through any emotion or circumstance.The Accidental CPA: As a first-generation college student, she initially wanted to study healthcare. When the program was full, her mother suggested accounting because of her strong math skills.Family Support Pivots: Early in her career, she stepped away from a traditional firm to run her mother's business after her father was diagnosed with cancer.The Executive Hustle: Despite a finance degree and an MBA, she pursued her CPA credential while on the job for 70 to 80 hours a week and while she raised a newborn. This dedication secured her path to the C-Suite.Support Through Loss: During the simultaneous grief of her father's passing and a divorce, she learned the critical importance of support and acceptance from unexpected places within her community.The Future of CalCPA: As CEO, she advocates for the evolving role of CPAs in the digital age, and emphasizes their necessity for the verification of AI outputs and the guidance of businesses through complex market noise.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DENISE FROEMMING:LinkedInCalCPAPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How do you pivot from a demanding medical career to founding a healthcare marketing agency, and then discover your true physical power in your fifties?In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with my friend Dr. Lena Cheng. Lena shares her incredible journey of honoring her internal compass, leaving clinical practice behind, and building a highly successful second career in digital health.We discuss the importance of utilizing executive coaches, the reality of taking steps backward to leap forward, and how she is currently redefining midlife strength through barbell training and epic dance projects.Lena Cheng, a physician turned healthcare marketer, has spent two decades leading brand strategy for healthcare companies. After medical training, she successfully pivoted, co-founding Best Friend Jack, a boutique marketing agency for health-tech companies, focusing on clarity and credibility. In her 50s, she embraced physical transformation through strength training, powerlifting, and dance, finding that movement taught her about presence, resilience, and courage. Her framework—Presence over Performance, Power through Resistance, Courage in Motion—reflects her belief that midlife reinvention is physical and a time of ignition, not decline.Key Takeaways:The Immigrant Work Ethic: Lena opens up about growing up in the Bay Area, learning the value of hard work from her nurse-midwife mother, and realizing later that her early creative hobbies were actually clues to her true identity.The Paris Epiphany: She explains how taking a year to study art and architecture in Paris during her undergrad showed her the expansiveness of the world and proved that other versions of a meaningful life were possible outside the rigid medical track.The Painful Pivot: Lena gets incredibly vulnerable about the physical and mental toll of medical school, the difficult decision to leave clinical practice, and how she used executive coaches to rebuild her identity from scratch.Building the Complete Marketer: She shares the humbling experience of starting over as a beginner in biotech, taking massive pay cuts, and eventually working her way up to head of marketing roles before co-founding her own agency, Best Friend Jack.Courage Through Motion: We discuss her midlife physical transformation, how she fell in love with powerlifting, and why she believes you build courage by simply showing up and putting in the reps.Lena’s story is a beautiful reminder that it is never too late to change your mind, change your career, or change your relationship with your own body. If you are feeling stuck in a box you outgrew years ago, this episode will give you the permission you need to step into your power.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH Lena Cheng:LinkedInWebsiteInstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How do you go from taking an unpaid internship and sleeping on a couch to leading the most powerful business association in Silicon Valley? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I am thrilled to sit down with my good friend Ahmad Thomas, CEO of the Silicon Valley Leadership Group. Ahmad shares his incredible journey—from growing up on a military base on California’s Central Coast to navigating the high-pressure corridors of Capitol Hill and Wall Street. We discuss the power of taking calculated risks, why every career move is about collecting "passport stamps," and how he is currently helping shape the global future of Artificial Intelligence right here in the Bay Area.Ahmad Thomas, CEO of the Silicon Valley Leadership Group (SVLG), leads one of the nation's most dynamic business associations, representing global technology companies. He has spearheaded industry initiatives, including founding the Institute for California AI Policy (I-CAP) to shape AI regulation, and focusing efforts on STEM talent and operationalizing change with global tech brands. With over 20 years as a former investment banker and senior Congressional aide, Thomas has a deep understanding of public-private partnerships, commerce, public policy, and technology, all essential to Silicon Valley’s innovation. Thomas serves on multiple boards related to technology, sports, and opportunity. He is a Life Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, an American Leadership Forum Senior Fellow, and included in the Silicon Valley Business Journal "Power 100." He holds a B.S. from Cornell University, a Master’s degree from the London School of Economics, and an M.B.A. from the Wharton School.Key Takeaways:The Foundation of Service: Growing up in a military family near an Air Force Base instilled a deep sense of discipline and a lifelong commitment to improving the human condition.The Best Business Decision: Ahmad realized that the most important decision you will ever make is the person you marry. He shares how meeting his wife at Cornell laid the foundation for his success.The Capitol Hill Hustle: Ahmad explains why he turned down lucrative consulting jobs to take an unpaid internship out of grad school to work for his political idol, Senator Dianne Feinstein. It was a risk that led to him becoming her lead economic policy staffer during the financial crisis.Collecting "Passport Stamps": Why Ahmad transitioned from policy to investment banking at Barclays to hone his quantitative skills and understand the value proposition, building himself into a complete executive athlete.Leading the AI Revolution: As CEO of SVLG, Ahmad breaks down how the organization is driving public-private partnerships and why shaping AI policy today will determine global innovation leadership for the next generation.Ahmad’s story is a powerful reminder that authentic belief, hard work, and a commitment to service can take you into any room in the world. Whether you are navigating a career pivot or looking to make a bigger impact in your community, this episode is packed with executive wisdom.CONNECT WITH Ahmad Thomas:LinkedInSilicon Valley Leadership Group WebsitePlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How do you go from being weeded out of pre-med to leading global talent strategies for the world's biggest tech giants? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, I sit down with my dear friend Suezette Yasmin Robotham, a best-selling author and global talent executive. Suezette takes us on her incredible circuitous journey—from a first-generation immigrant kid in Florida to the C-Suites of Google, Meta, and Salesforce.We discuss how she successfully pivoted from education reform into big tech by focusing on skills over titles, and she drops a major gem on how to use AI to make your LinkedIn profile undeniable. Plus, we talk about her new book, Beyond the Titles, and why finding your identity outside of your career is the ultimate leadership hack.Suezette Yasmin Robotham is a best-selling author, global talent and culture executive, and keynote speaker with two decades of experience shaping how organizations design leadership, talent, and culture in an AI-accelerated world. She has led enterprise talent and leadership strategy at Google, Meta, Gartner, and Salesforce across the United States and EMEA, designing systems that support clarity, judgment, and performance at scale. A TEDx speaker and featured voice in the award-winning SeeHer Multiplicity docuseries, Suezette helps organizations build environments where leaders and teams can thrive without relying on individual heroics. Her best-selling debut book, Beyond Titles: Fearlessly Leading as Your Authentic Self, offers a practical roadmap for integrated leadership in modern organizations.Key Takeaways:The "Florida Girl" Roots: Suezette opens up about her upbringing as a first-generation Jamaican-American in Tampa, growing up with a DJ father who revered Bob Marley, and why she is unapologetically a "Florida Girl" at heart.The Power of the Pivot: After realizing pre-med wasn't for her, Suezette built a career in education reform with Teach For America and The New Teacher Project before making the leap to tech.Translating Skills to Tech: How she landed her first role at Google by being "skills forward" on LinkedIn—and why she believes using AI to optimize your profile is essential for job seekers today.Leading Globally: Suezette shares her experience as an expat in London, navigating policy and governance for 19 countries, and the unique challenges of leading global DEI strategies.Beyond the Titles: We dive into her book and the "I Do, You Do, We Do" framework she uses to help leaders detach their worth from their work and find satisfaction in their souls.Suezette’s story is a masterclass in reinvention. Whether you are looking to pivot industries, move abroad, or just find more joy in your current role, this episode will inspire you to lead authentically.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH SUEZETTE YASMIN ROBOTHAM:WebsiteInstagramLinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How does a 12-year-old boy reading the comics end up interrupting a Prime Minister, partnering with Oprah, and leading a global movement for child rights?In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we sit down with Craig Kielburger, co-founder of the WE organization and Legacy Plus. Craig shares his extraordinary journey from a suburban kid in Canada to a world-renowned social entrepreneur who has worked with everyone from Mother Teresa to the Dalai Lama.Craig opens up about the surreal moments of his youth—like jamming with John Denver and getting grilled by Oprah’s team on fiduciary oversight at age 15. We also dive deep into the challenges of 2020, where he faced a political firestorm that brought his charity to its knees, and the conscious choice he made to rise up and keep believing in humanity.Plus, we talk about his latest venture, Legacy Plus, where he helps other leaders and icons—including the King family—build their own movements to create a world fueled by love and connection.Craig has spent more than three decades in the non-profit sector empowering people and organizations to create meaningful impact. He co-leads Legacy+, a collective of strategists, creators, and innovators who build authentic movements and legacy projects with measurable results for companies, foundations, and public figures. A New York Times bestselling author of 10 books, Craig holds a degree in Peace and Conflict Studies, an MBA, and a Master's in Human Development. His work in education and human rights has been recognized with 15 honorary doctorates and degrees.Key Takeaways:How a 12-year-old Craig saw a headline about child slavery and decided to act, leading to a journey through Asia and a confrontation with the Prime Minister of Canada.The hilarious and humbling story of how Oprah Winfrey agreed to fund his charity—but only if he got adult supervision (enter his "ancient" 19-year-old brother, Marc)The critical lesson Craig learned from eBay’s Jeff Skoll about why nonprofits need business plans and revenue streams to be sustainable.Craig gets vulnerable about the devastation of 2020, when political controversy and the pandemic threatened everything he built.Why his work today with Legacy Plus is focused on first principles—compassion, connection, and building a beloved community.Craig’s story is a testament to the fact that you are never too young to start, and never too successful to face a challenge that tests your core values. If this episode inspired you to find your own cause, please rate, review, and share it with a friend!CONNECT WITH CRAIG KIELBURGER:WebsiteSocialsPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Versel by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How does a shy kid from the DMV who hid behind his parents’ legs grow up to lead one of the most influential accounting organizations in the country? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we sit down with Calvin Harris Jr., CEO of the New York State Society of CPAs (NYSSCPA).Calvin shares his incredible journey of resilience, starting with a challenging college experience where he lost his scholarship and faced homelessness, forcing him to work at a moving company while his friends were in class. He opens up about how he fought his way back to Morehouse College, his rise through the ranks at Arthur Andersen, and the "acting" roles that taught him to lead before he had the title.We also discuss his pivotal time as CFO of the National Urban League, his passion for running marathons, and how he is redefining what a CPA looks like—tattoos, band t-shirts, and all—on social media.Calvin Harris Jr., CPA is Chief Executive Officer of NY CPA (the New York State Society of CPAs). He is a results-driven C-Suite professional with over three decades of successful management and leadership experience. Recognized, in multiple years, as one of the “Top 100 Most Influential in Accounting”, Calvin has worked with organizations as diverse as the National Urban League, United Nations Foundation, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Legal Services Corporation, NeighborWorks America, the State of Maryland, and numerous start-up organizations. An expert in accounting, business, and leadership, Calvin has been quoted and/or interviewed by media such as: The Wall Street Journal, Inc. Magazine, Forbes, CFO Magazine, Black Enterprise, Accounting Today, Ebony, Reader's Digest, US News & World Report, Baltimore Business Journal, and AMEX Open Forum.Calvin is a CPA, licensed in New York and Maryland. Key Takeaways:From Shy Kid to Go-Go Band: Calvin discusses his introverted childhood in Oxon Hill, Maryland, and how joining a high school Go-Go band helped him find his confidence (and cover pizza money!).Resilience in the Face of Homelessness: A powerful story about losing his college scholarship and facing housing insecurity, which led to a humbling year working at a moving company before fighting his way back to Morehouse.Perform for the Job You Want: Calvin shares the best career advice he ever received: Don't just do the job you have; start doing the work of the role you want before you get the promotion.The "Acting" Executive: How stepping into interim leadership roles at Morgan State and NeighborhoodWorks taught him to stop treating colleagues like peers and start leading like a boss.Redefining the CPA: Why Calvin uses social media to show his full self—marathons, tattoos, and Basquiat shirts included—to inspire the next generation of accountants.Calvin’s story is a reminder that your career is a marathon, not a sprint, and that sometimes you have to lose your footing to find your stride.Don't forget to subscribe to No Boxes, Just Verses on your favorite platform so you never miss a leadership playlist.CONNECT WITH CALVIN HARRIS JR:LinkedInInstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

From a difficult childhood marked by tragedy to leading a genomic revolution and championing diversity in corporate boardrooms, Dr. Thane Kreiner’s journey is a testament to the power of resilience and making a plan to be someone. Thane takes us through his incredible career arc—from writing the business plan for DNA chip pioneer Affymetrix as an intern to becoming a four-time CEO and leading the Miller Center for Social Entrepreneurship.We go deep into the personal stories that shaped him, including losing his first love in a tragic car accident just before college, finding his authentic self in San Francisco during the height of the AIDS epidemic, and the divine order that led him to co-found the Black Corporate Board Readiness (BCBR) program.Dr. Thane Kreiner is an independent advisor, board member, and former CEO with over 30 years of experience starting and growing enterprises designed to improve health and wellness for people and the planet. He currently serves as the co-founder of the Black Corporate Board Readiness program, a board member for Conservation X Labs, and an advisory board member for Alder Brooks. Previously, Thane led the Miller Center for Social Entrepreneurship at Santa Clara University for a decade. During his tenure, he worked with over 1,000 social enterprises that collectively improved, transformed, or saved the lives of over 400 million people living in poverty. Thane spent 17 years building and starting companies in the life sciences sector, including serving as a four-time CEO and working at DNA chip pioneer Affymetrix. He holds a PhD in Neurosciences and an MBA from Stanford University, and completed his undergraduate studies in Chemistry at the University of Texas, Austin.Key Takeaways:Thane opens up about a traumatic childhood and the tragic loss of his partner, Jay, just before college. Learn how he used education and a "Fast Car" mentality to survive and eventually thrive.Hear the inside story of how Thane went from a summer intern writing the private placement memorandum for Affymetrix to a VP leading global marketing and sales during the company’s explosive IPO and growth.Thane discusses the pivotal role his mentor, Sue Siegel, played in his career, teaching him to see talents in himself that he didn't know he had.Discover the origin story of the Black Corporate Board Readiness program. Thane shares how he and co-founder Dennis Lanham answered the call after the murder of George Floyd to create tangible change in corporate governance.From regenerative gardening in Sonoma to using AI to write songs, Thane shares how he finds peace and creative expression in this season of his life.Thane’s story proves that you can turn pain into purpose and that it’s never too late to pivot your life toward service. If this episode inspired you, please rate, review, and share it with a friend!CONNECT WITH THANE KREINER:LinkedInInstagramSoundCloudPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

Is your career a ladder or a jungle gym? How do you transition from reporting the numbers to being the one who drives them? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we sit down with Daryl "DB" Butler, Vice President of Global Partnerships and Trusted Voices at Google. DB takes us on a masterclass journey through his jungle gym career—starting in finance and accounting before making a bold pivot to sales and marketing that led him to shape culture at iconic brands like Boost Mobile, Nike, Jordan Brand, and Beats by Dre. As Vice President of Global Partnerships and Trusted Voices at Google, Daryl Butler (DB) is responsible for forging strategic alliances and partnerships across the company’s portfolio, including Cloud, Platforms & Devices, Search, Gemini, and YouTube. His team is focused on embedding the Google brand in culture with purpose. Under his leadership, DB manages complex partnerships with influential brands and talent like McLaren Racing, the NBA/WNBA, and Steph Curry. A proud graduate of Morehouse College and Pepperdine University, DB is a dedicated community leader and member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.Key Takeaways:The "Jungle Gym" Career: DB explains why a career isn't a linear ladder but a jungle gym where you climb, slide, and swing to gain the diverse experiences needed for C-suite leadership.Scorekeeper vs. Point Scorer: Hear the defining moment when DB realized he no longer wanted to just report on the money (Finance) but wanted to be the one making it (Sales/Marketing), prompting his major career pivot.Culture with Purpose: Learn DB’s philosophy on "contextual marketing"—how to authentically insert a brand into a consumer's life by understanding what they love (music, fashion, sport) rather than just selling a utility."Think Two, Take One": A powerful strategy for navigating life and business. DB breaks down how to look two steps ahead (identifying the destination) to ensure the step you take today is the right one.The Power of "Angels": No one makes it alone. DB discusses the importance of having mentors and sponsors—his "angels"—who were willing to bet on his potential even when his resume didn't match the role.Whether you are looking to make a career pivot or wanting to understand how major brands tap into culture, DB’s story proves that your "steps are ordered." If this episode moved you, please rate, review, and share it with a friend!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DARYL BUTLER:LinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

How do you keep moving forward when life forces you to grow up at age 11? Can you maintain your integrity when your job conflicts with your values? In this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses, we explore the incredible journey of a leader who turned early personal tragedy into a lifetime of resilience and service. We go beyond the bio to discuss how to lead through loss, the power of divine order in your career, and what it takes to manage global teams during a crisis.Carrie J. Clark is a powerhouse leader in technology, global governance, and higher education. As the System Director of IT Operations at Henry Ford Health, she drives digital transformation and operational excellence. Beyond the boardroom, Carrie serves as the International Regional Director for Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated®, overseeing chapters across 13 countries. A proud Detroit native and STEM advocate, she is dedicated to creating pathways for the next generation through organizations like Code 313.Key Takeaways:The Survivor Mentality: Carrie opens up about the devastating loss of her mother when she was just 11 years old. Learn how this tragedy shaped her resilience and instilled a survivor mindset that has fueled her personal and professional success.Integrity Over Titles: Hear the defining moment in Carrie's early career when she walked away from a good job because it compromised her values. She shares a powerful lesson on why you can't save everyone, but you must refuse to be part of the problem.Your Steps Are Ordered: From losing a major election to losing her father in the same season, Carrie discusses how to handle public defeat with grace and why trusting in divine order is essential for long-term peace and success.Leading Through Crisis: As a regional director during the height of COVID-19, Carrie had to pivot from standard leadership to managing the grief and safety of thousands of women. Discover her strategies for galvanizing a team during unprecedented times.Going Global: Carrie shares her excitement about expanding Alpha Kappa Alpha's footprint, including chartering new chapters in Ghana, London, and Puerto Rico, and bringing the sorority full circle back to the continent of Africa.Whether you are a corporate executive, a community servant, or navigating your own wilderness season, Carrie’s story is a testament that "ain't no stopping us now." If this episode inspired you to trust your journey, please rate, review, and share it with a friend!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH Carrie J Clark:InstagramFacebookLinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

Are you afraid to start over? Do you feel like it’s too late to pursue a creative passion or pivot your career because you didn't start young enough? Whether you are navigating a competitive industry, recovering from a personal setback, or simply feeling the itch to try something new, this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses is your blueprint for resilience. We go beyond the bio to explore how to embrace being a beginner, how to navigate life's sinking canoes and why your 10,000 hours of hard work will always pay off.Kelly Frye is a dynamic actress, producer, and director known for her roles in Disney's Secrets of Sulphur Springs, Criminal Minds, The Flash, and Rake. A Houston native and Loyola Marymount University graduate, Kelly is a lifelong learner who trained at the famed Second City. Beyond the screen, she is a multifaceted entrepreneur: she co-runs the Campbell Art Collective, hosts immersive "Bite" dinner series, and recently launched her own line of upcycled, artist-collaborative handbags, the Kelly Campbell Collection.Key Takeaways:Embrace Being a Beginner: From joining her high school golf team with zero experience to launching a handbag line during a Hollywood strike, Kelly proves that success comes from the willingness to be a beginner and put in the work.Learn the Rules to Break Them: Kelly shares a critical lesson for any creative or professional: you must master the technical scaffolding of your craft before you can successfully improvise and add your own unique jazz hands.The Canoe Theory of Relationships: In a powerful analogy about navigating toxic relationships, Kelly explains how to recognize when you are in a sinking canoe and why you must have the courage to jump out and swim, rather than drowning trying to fix holes others are poking.Track Your Wins in the Desert: When you are in a wilderness season or feeling stuck, Kelly recommends keeping a physical list of every small win. Reviewing this list when you feel lost helps you see that you are actually moving forward, even if you can't see the forest through the trees.Pivot with Purpose: Learn how Kelly turned an 8-month industry strike into an opportunity to launch new businesses, proving that versatility and the ability to pivot are essential tools for long-term success.Are you ready to jump off the mountain and see if the parachute opens? Kelly’s story is a reminder that you don't have to fit into one box—you can be an actress, a realtor, an entrepreneur, and an art lover all at once. If this episode inspired you to start your own list of wins, share it with us!Don't forget to subscribe to No Boxes, Just Verses on your favorite platform so you never miss a leadership playlist.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH KELLY FRYE:Personal InstagramKelly Campbell Collection InstagramKelly Campbell CollectionPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

Are you feeling stuck in a wilderness season, unsure of your next move, or afraid to pivot? Whether you are navigating a career transition, facing financial uncertainty, or simply trying to rediscover your voice, this episode of No Boxes, Just Verses is the inspiration you need. We go beyond the resume to explore how to turn rock bottom into a launchpad for reinvention. Join us as we explore the incredible journey of a Hollywood icon who taught herself to code during a personal low point and emerged as a tech leader.Malinda Williams is an acclaimed actress, producer, and cultural icon whose work has profoundly shaped film and television. Best known for her breakthrough role as Tracy "Bird" Van Adams in Showtime’s groundbreaking series Soul Food, she has also starred in hits like The Wood, Idlewild, and Daddy’s Little Girls. Beyond Hollywood, Malinda is a tech visionary who taught herself to code and founded the Arise and Shine Foundation, a non-profit dedicated to wellness, empowerment, and creative entrepreneurship for underserved communities.Key Takeaways:Embrace the Wilderness Season: Malinda opens up about her time in the wilderness—a period of financial struggle and personal difficulty. She shares how she reframed this time not as a setback, but as a period of accelerated growth where she learned that if you want to see something different, you have to be something different.The Power of Self-Taught Reinvention: Discover the incredible story of how Malinda, facing a changing industry and personal debt, picked up a book called HTML for Dummies and taught herself to code. Learn how being an autodidact (self-taught learner) allowed her to pivot from acting to building websites and eventually launching a tech non-profit.Trust Your Intuition and Go: From moving to Los Angeles with only two weeks' notice to accepting the role of Bird in Soul Food after initially declining it three times, Malinda discusses the importance of listening to divine downloads and being radically obedient when your spirit says "go".Drop the "Bag Lady" Mentality: Inspired by Erykah Badu’s "Bag Lady," Malinda explains why you must let go of past hurts and grudges. She teaches that carrying emotional baggage slows you down, causing you to miss your bus—and your blessings.Know Your Worth in Negotiations: Hear the powerful story of how Malinda negotiated a salary double what she expected by leaning on her faith and learning to believe for more, even when the initial offer was a lowball.Are you ready to drop your bags and code your own future? This episode is a masterclass in resilience and faith. If you were moved by Malinda’s story, consider supporting her mission to bring tech education to women and HBCUs by donating to the Arise and Shine Foundation at asforwomen.org Don't forget to subscribe to No Boxes, Just Verses for more inspiring journeys that go beyond the bio! Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH Malinda Williams:InstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: No Boxes Just Verses by Thane Kreiner (Suno)

Are you a high-level manager struggling to make the leap to "unboxed" leadership? Many professionals hit a plateau where they focus solely on vertical status rather than the diverse skills needed for the C-Suite. This common pain point can lead to career stagnation and burnout.In the conclusion of our Season 1 Recap, No Boxes: Just Verses explores the five final pillars of leadership that separate good managers from world-class leaders. This episode addresses how to use your platform for a higher purpose, the spiritual act of trust and delegation, and why strategic networking is the ultimate currency of business. If you’re ready to scale your impact and master the "human-centric" ecosystems of modern leadership, this "unboxed" playbook is for you.You’ll see lessons from Dana Pump, Terri J. Vaughn, Shaun Robinson, Chloe & Maud Arnold, Nichole Jordan, Panya Lei, Christiane Pendarvis, Michelle Banks, Elicia Pegues Spearman, Steven Wolfe Pereira, Vishal Verma, Ravi Kumar,  and Lisa Shalett.Key Takeaways:Purpose Through Service & Philanthropy: True leadership is not measured solely by personal achievement, but by how you use your platform and success to lift others and create a lasting, positive impact in your community.Trust and Vulnerability as a Scale Strategy: To scale your impact, you must view delegation as a spiritual act of trust and recognize that asking for help is a sign of authentic leadership strength, not fragility.Exposure as a Growth Accelerator: Broadening your horizons by stepping into unknown environments—such as new industries, cities, or global assignments—acts as a critical catalyst for stretching your mental perspective and accelerating executive readiness.Relationship Building is the Ultimate Currency: Business is fundamentally about people; mastering the art of human-centric connection and building strategic ecosystems is the essential skill needed to scale your impact globally.Your fullness is your power, and there are no boxes here—only the verses you choose to write. We encourage you to take one of these lessons today—whether it's trusting a teammate with a new task or reaching out to a new mentor—and apply it to your journey.Thank you for being part of the No Boxes: Just Verses global movement. We are turning the page on an incredible first season and getting ready for the next level. Season 2 drops January 5th! Subscribe now to ensure you're first in line for our stunning new lineup of guests. Stay unboxed.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Are you feeling stuck on a secure career path that no longer sparks curiosity? Do you feel like you have to wear a mask to be respected in the C-Suite? Many leaders face the grueling pressure of maintaining a perfect image while navigating personal trials or professional stagnation. This episode of No Boxes: Just Verses addresses the specific pain point of boxed-in leadership.In this special Part 1 recap, host Shannon Nash counts down the first five pillars of leadership that defined our debut season. You’ll see lessons from Debbie Frost, Vicki Johnson, Lola Oladunjoye, Steven Wolfe Pereira, Kenny Lattimore, Lauren Maillian, Melonie D. Parker, Leah Pump, Debbie Allen, and Jack McCullough.Key Takeaways:Master the "Unboxed" Career Pivot: Success rarely follows a straight line. Real leadership is defined by the courage to abandon a secure path to follow a spark of curiosity.Bring Your Full Identity to the Table: Your fullness is your greatest power. Refuse to code-switch or hide your cultural background; bringing your whole self—background, interests, and culture—is what allows you to lead with true authority.Lead Through "Titanium" Moments: Resilience is forged in the fire of personal loss. It is the ability to maintain high-level excellence even when life’s heaviest hits leave you operating at limited capacity.Build Your "Starting Five" Board of Advisors: You don't reach the top alone. Be intentional about building a village that includes a mentor to disrupt your thinking, a sponsor to open doors, and a peer "scream buddy" for support.Reclaim Empathy as a Strategic Tool: Niceness is not a weakness; it is a sign of immense strength. Purposefully choosing joy fuels creativity and allows you to stand up for the unheard in high-stakes rooms.Leadership is not a destination; it is a series of verses. Which of these five lessons "hit" your career path the hardest today? We encourage you to pick one lesson—whether it's building your board of advisors or bringing more of your authentic self to your next meeting—and implement it this week.No Boxes: Just Verses has officially hit the Top 5% of podcasts globally because of your support. Subscribe now so you don't miss Part 2 of our countdown next week, and get ready—Season 2 drops January 5th! Stay unboxed.CONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

As we wrap up an incredible Season One, join us for a special countdown of the Top 5 most-chosen songs that shaped the journeys of our leaders! This episode goes beyond the rankings to explore the common musical threads that connect incredible leaders across business, culture, creativity, and community. We revisit the powerful stories behind the anthems of resilience, joy, strategy, and strength that resonated most deeply with our phenomenal guests.Key Takeaways:Season one has been nothing short of phenomenal.The podcast ranked in the top 5% globally out of 3.6 million podcasts.The stories shared resonated deeply with listeners.The top five songs represent key leadership lessons.Music serves as a powerful connector in storytelling.Different genres can convey similar themes of empowerment.Confidence is crucial in leadership and presence.Choosing joy is essential for resilience and creativity.Perseverance is key when facing challenges.Identity and strength are central to personal narratives.Thank you for being part of this phenomenal first season. We can’t wait to share new voices, new lessons, and more amazing songs when Season Two drops on January 5th. If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! Check the blog for all the mentioned guests at www.noboxesjustverses.com CONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Are you an executive struggling with the isolation of high-level leadership? Have you faced a personal crisis that forced you to re-evaluate your entire career path? In this powerful Authentic and Strategic episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with the two Lisas—Lisa DeCarlo and Lisa Shallet—co-founders of Extraordinary Women on Boards (EWOB). They share deeply personal stories: Lisa D’s health scare that forced vulnerability and Lisa S’s decision to retire from Goldman Sachs to prioritize time. Learn their unconventional strategies for career entry, board service, and building the essential peer community needed to lead.Lisa DeCarlo is the co-founder of Extraordinary Women on Boards (EWOB), co-creator of The Decade Game®, and founder of Just Go. A board director, advisor, and catalyst for change, she is passionate about helping leaders and organizations innovate, get unstuck, and dream bigger—guided by her core belief that nothing happens without movement.Lisa Shalett is the co-founder of Extraordinary Women on Boards, a powerhouse network of 1,000+ trailblazing women corporate board directors dedicated to advancing board excellence and staying cutting edge. A former Goldman Sachs Partner, she now serves as an independent board director, corporate advisor, and entrepreneur.Key Takeaways:Lisa D shares how she accidentally landed a temp job on a trading floor and used a two-year commitment to learn every business unit (sales, trading, investment banking) —a non-traditional path that led to six job offers.Lisa D’s severe health crisis forced her to realize she wasn't hiding her decline and that her ability to be open about life experiences later "opened up so many doors" in bigger leadership roles.Lisa S reveals why her father's sudden death caused her to retire from Goldman Sachs six months later. She suddenly saw a clock ticking backwards and realized her purpose was to be home for dinner.EWOB was built from the need for a community where women could "take the armor off". They discovered the power of a peer group that shares emerging best practices and sees you, not just your title.Lisa S stresses that beyond IQ and EQ, executives must develop OQ —understanding how things work informally within an organization —to navigate their career path and break the unwritten rules of the game.The Lisas’ journey is proof that your most vulnerable moments can provide the deepest clarity on your life's purpose and unlock your Unstoppable potential.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH GUESTS:LinkedIn - Lisa ShalettLinkedIn - Lisa DeCarloEWOBThe Decade GamePlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Are you feeling stuck in a predictable career path? Do you struggle to make a strategic lateral move because you're afraid to lose status? In this highly Strategic episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with Melonie Parker, VP of Employee Engagement at Google. Melonie shares her authentic story of navigating a 17-year career at Lockheed Martin through lateral moves and the crucial decision to take a non-promotional role at Google to answer a personal question: Do my skills work in a new industry? Learn her mentorship strategy ("The Starting Five") and why your superpower shines through when you choose to Add In versus Fit In.Melonie Parker is the Vice President of Employee Engagement at Google, leading global talent and organizational success strategies. With over three decades of experience, including 17 years in leadership roles at Lockheed Martin and serving as VP of HR and Communications at Sandia National Laboratories, Melonie is known for her innovative leadership and focus on culture. She is a proud graduate of Hampton University and serves on the boards of the Thurgood Marshall College Fund and her alma mater.Key Takeaways:The Foundational Lesson of Service: Melonie shares the early lesson from her grandfather's country store: "always look at the person in the line, never look at the line". This perspective is the root of her focus on humanity and her approach to HR.Lateral Moves Over Vertical Status: Learn why she changed positions every two years for 17 years and why taking non-promotional lateral moves early in your career is essential for gaining the breadth of experience needed to be the most competitive executive later.The Starting Five Mentorship Model: Discover her advice on building a Board of Advisors that includes a mentor unlike you (to disrupt your thinking), a peer scream buddy (for safe venting), a personal cheerleader, and a professional coach.Add In Versus Fit In: Melonie reveals her crucial personal mantra for navigating new, challenging environments like Google: You don't want to fit in, you want to add in. Your superpower shines through when you contribute your unique cultural competencies and seasoned experience.The Generational Village is Everything: Melonie shares her personal story of having her daughter, Lauren, while at Hampton, and how her parents took Lauren in so she could graduate on time. This sacrifice led to a trajectory where her daughter now holds a PhD from Purdue.Melonie’s journey is a powerful demonstration that success is built one strategic move at a time, supported by a dedicated community. Your current challenge is just preparation for your apex.Build your Starting Five, seek out a lateral move, and subscribe to No Boxes: Just Verses to guide your next strategic step!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH MELONIE D PARKER:LinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Are you a creative professional who struggles to gain control behind the camera or above the line? Do you need courage to pivot from performing to directing? In this unforgettable episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with the incomparable cultural icon, Debbie Allen. Debbie shares the courageous, unconventional journey—from facing segregation in Texas to tripling HBCU enrollment with A Different World. Learn her strategy for owning content, leveraging her talent to direct and produce shows like Grey's Anatomy , and the essential lessons of mentorship and funding necessary to launch the Debbie Allen Dance Academy.Debbie Allen is an award-winning actress, dancer, choreographer, director, producer, and philanthropist. She first achieved global fame as Lydia Grant in the iconic series Fame. She has earned three Emmy Awards, a Golden Globe, and the Kennedy Center Honor. Miss Allen has redefined the role of women of color in Hollywood by serving as an executive producer and director on Grey's Anatomy since 2015. She is the founder of the Debbie Allen Dance Academy (DADA), a non-profit dedicated to arts education and mentorship.Key Takeaways:The Courageous Cultural Pivot: Hear the story of how her mother packed the family and moved to Mexico to escape segregation, providing a vital, early sense of cultural identity and acceptance.Shift to "Above the Line" Power: Debbie explains how she deliberately transitioned from being an actor (Fame) to a director and producer on shows like A Different World, breaking down the importance of owning the content and direction.The Legacy of A Different World: Discover the intentional strategy behind the hit series—adding "hot sauce" and social responsibility—that directly led to a tripling of HBCU enrollment.Soft Skills Drive Business Success: Learn why she made her staff (including high-powered lawyers) take improv classes: it teaches essential soft skills like listening and communication that are crucial for effective business leadership.The Mentorship/Funding Hustle: She reveals the personal commitment required to launch DADA, including using her own funds ($50,000) as the "anonymous donor" to kickstart scholarships, modeling the deep level of investment needed for purpose-driven work.Debbie Allen’s life is a constant reminder that no one holds all the cards. If you are working hard and investing in your talent, the opportunities you are ready for will eventually find you.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DEBBIE ALLEN:InstagramDebbie Allen Dance AcademyPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Do you worry that pursuing a passion like the arts can't lead to stable, global success? Do you need inspiration to keep grinding through the long years of unemployed fun? In this highly Inspirational episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with Chloé and Maud Arnold, powerhouse sister duo and founders of the viral Syncopated Ladies tap dance troupe. Learn their strategies for artistic entrepreneurship, leveraging education as a tool for access, and maintaining joy throughout the hard work.Chloé and Maud Arnold are an internationally recognized tap dancing, choreographing, and producing duo, both graduates of Columbia University. They co-founded the viral female tap dance band, Syncopated Ladies. Chloé is an Emmy-nominated choreographer whose work has been featured in major productions like Netflix's Unfrosted and The Late Show with James Corden. Maud's choreography has been featured in films like Hulu's hit Theater Camp and A24's Y2K. The sisters have been praised by figures like Beyoncé, Janet Jackson, and Shonda Rhimes, and have been recognized by the US House of Representatives and the Kennedy Center for their work as ambassadors for the art form.Key Takeaways:Their career path was defined by mentorship, specifically Debbie Allen, who pushed Chloé to move to LA and gave them space to create, proving that great leaders often see your potential before you do.Despite being immersed in the arts, both sisters attended Columbia University. They reveal how the prestige and the need for housing and structure made college a crucial strategic access point for success in New York.They detail the seven years it took between meeting Beyoncé and investing in their first viral video. Their secret to perseverance: Maintaining joy and a positive attitude, even while street performing and working multiple side jobs.They explain why their viral success—especially the "Formation" and "When Doves Cry" videos—came from being completely authentic to their art and their shared emotions (like collective mourning for Prince).The sisters share their technique for dealing with negativity: Instead of engaging with "hater aid," reframe the energy into power, focus on doing the work, and use that critical energy to fuel new art.Chloé and Maud's journey reminds us that if you keep grinding with purpose, the break you've been working toward is destined to find you. Never lose the joy in your work!CONNECT WITH Chloé and Maud:Maude InstagramFoundation InstagramChloé InstagramChloé and Maud InstagramDC Tap FestHollywood Tap FestFoundation WebsiteSyncopated LadiesPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Are you feeling guilty about taking a career pause? Do you wonder if you're too old or too late to make a major professional pivot? In this highly Inspirational episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with Shannon Watts—Founder of Moms Demand Action, Time's 100 Most Influential People, and author of Fired Up. Shannon shares her authentic story of leaving a successful corporate career and taking a deliberate five-year break to focus on family. Known as the “summoner of women’s audacity,” Shannon Watts organizes and mobilizes women to create political, electoral and cultural change. She was named one of TIME’s 100 Most Influential People, a Forbes 50 over 50 Changemaker, a Glamour Woman of the Year, a WORTH Magazine Worth 100 and a 2025 Parents Next Gen Award winner. She’s the founder of Moms Demand Action, the largest grassroots group fighting gun violence in the U.S. During the 2024 election, she organized the largest Zoom gathering in history, mobilizing over 200,000 voters and raising over $11 million in support of the Kamala Harris campaign, and co-hosted the weekly Women Wednesdays for Harris calls with Indivisible. Her most recent book, Fired Up: How to Turn Your Spark Into a Flame and Come Alive at Any Age, was an instant New York Times and USA Today bestseller and led to the creation of Firestarter University and Bonfire communities, online and in-person gatherings to help women tap into their political, professional and personal power.Key Takeaways:ADHD is Your Special Sauce: Shannon discusses her struggles with undiagnosed ADHD as a youth and how she eventually learned to turn her disorganization and intense focus into a core strength.The Five-Year Pivot: Hear the authentic story of making a terrifying pivot at 35 and realizing that the five-year career pause she took to focus on family was the exact, perfect preparation needed to launch a national movement.The Fire Formula: Discover her personal strategic framework for finding purpose: true fulfillment happens when your Values, Abilities, and Desires come into clear alignment.The Power of Bonfire Communities: Shannon stresses that no one can live on fire alone.Activism at Any Age: Learn why your second act—after age 40, 50, or beyond—is your most powerful. Shannon encourages listeners to find their mission and reminds us that you have the skills right now to start creating change.Shannon's journey is proof that the pause, the uncertainty, and the unrecognized opportunities in your current routine are actually building you for a massive second act. Stop undervaluing your non-traditional experiences.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH SHANNON WATTS:LinkedInSubstackPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Are you feeling stuck on the rigid corporate path? Do you need permission to define success outside of titles, prestige, and compensation? In this powerful episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with legal trailblazer Michelle Banks, former Global General Counsel of Gap, Inc., and executive leadership coach. Michelle shares her "unboxed" strategy for taking smart risks, building a career defined by cultural competency, and transitioning from the 24/7 demands of a Fortune 200 executive to leading a fulfilling coaching business. If you are questioning what success truly means for you and need a guide for better work-life integration and self-advocacy, tune in now.Michelle Banks, a Strategic Advisor at BarkerGilmore, provides executive leadership coaching to women corporate general counsel. She was Global General Counsel of Gap Inc. for ten years, following roles as legal counsel for the Golden State Warriors and American counsel for Itochu Corporation in Tokyo. Banks co-founded UCLA Law Women LEAD, a network of over 4,500 women law students and alumnae, and Ms. JD's award-winning LaddHer Up retreat, which pairs women general counsel with women law firm associates for mentorship. Widely recognized for her professional achievements and dedication to enhancing others' careers, including receiving the ABA’s Margaret Brent Woman Lawyer of Achievement Award, she also co-authored the best-selling anthology Women in Law Discovering the True Meaning of Success, which aims to inspire readers to define their own pathways to success.Key Takeaways:Michelle explains why feeling comfortable and having a sense of belonging in the work environment (like she found at Gap) allowed her to accelerate her success far beyond other roles where she was counter-cultural.Learn why volunteering to create and lead the new compliance program (a non-legal function) was the most important risk she took, propelling her from corporate lawyer to executive leadership.Hear how she embraced an expatriate assignment in Tokyo—without knowing the language or anyone there—and how that experience built the cultural competency that made her invaluable to a global company like Gap.Inspired by a fellow lawyer, Michelle chose John Lennon's "Imagine" as her anthem for the current chapter, believing that the true definition of success is personal peace—not awards, title, or compensation.The former GC addresses the myth of work-life balance, confirming she worked 24/7 for years, and offers authentic advice on integrating family life and giving yourself grace (and taking a longer vacation than usual!).Michelle’s journey reminds us that your definition of success can—and should—change over time. If you are running someone else's race, it's time to chart your own course toward personal peace.CONNECT WITH MICHELLE BANKS:LinkedInBookPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Do you feel pigeonholed in your career? Do you struggle to see how your diverse experiences across corporate, government, and non-profit sectors connect? In this inspiring episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles with Desirée Rogers—renowned strategist, connector, and co-owner/CEO of Black Opal and Fashion Fair. Desirée shares her "unboxed" playbook for strategic career pivots, revealing how lessons learned from managing utilities and insurance giants prepared her to revolutionize the White House Social Office and, ultimately, revitalize iconic Black beauty brands. If you want the blueprint for weaving seemingly unrelated experiences into a powerful Masterpiece Mentality that leads to massive impact, this is your must-listen episode.Desirée Rogers is a renowned leader, strategist, and connector who has redefined every role she has held, from corporate boardrooms to the White House. She is currently the co-owner and CEO of Black Opal LLC, overseeing the iconic Fashion Fair and Black Opal Beauty brands, which serve multicultural audiences and are sold at retailers like Sephora and ULTA. Fashion Fair, in particular, is a cultural touchstone that has long celebrated Black beauty. Her career spans transformative leadership in business, media, and public service. Rogers served as Social Secretary for President Obama, bringing the administration's values of inclusion and diversity to life through experiential events. She revitalized Ebony and Jet as CEO of Johnson Publishing, positioned Chicago as a top global travel destination, and drove growth at Peoples Energy, Allstate, and the Illinois Lottery. A graduate of Wellesley College and Harvard Business School—where she received the 2024 Alumni Achievement Award—Rogers serves on the boards of Stagwell, Inspired Entertainment, and the American Cancer Society.Key Takeaways:Early competition in academics built her core discipline and confidence.A deliberate career strategy across regulatory, ops, and marketing was key to leading smaller organizations later.The White House role was a lesson in brand management, ensuring events reflected the administration's values of inclusion and diversity.Pursuing a target business owner for three years proves that patience and persistence are crucial for achieving a long-term goal.She stopped trying to hide her identity in "safe" jobs (utilities, insurance) and found purpose by fully leaning into beauty for her community.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DESIREE ROGERS:Facebook InstagramLinkedInWebsiteBlack Opal BeautyFashion FairPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

Do you feel defined by a major career setback? Are you questioning your path after a pivotal layoff or a venture that didn't take off? In this powerful episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we go beyond the bios, beyond the titles to explore the unconventional leadership journey of Equilar Founder and CEO, David Chun. David shares the intimate story of weathering both a major early-career layoff and the devastating dot-com crash just as he started his company. David Chun is the Founder and CEO of Equilar, a leading provider of executive intelligence solutions. Recognized as one of NACD’s “100 Most Influential Players in Corporate Governance,” he has also received the Disruptor Award from 2020 Women on Boards and the Outstanding 50 Asian Americans in Business honor. David is a frequent speaker on governance at forums hosted by Nasdaq, NYSE, Deloitte, KPMG, NACD, and Stanford. He serves on the boards of the Commonwealth Club World Affairs, PGA Reach, Silicon Valley Community Foundation, and Silicon Valley Leadership Group. He earned degrees from Wharton and UVA.Key Takeaways:David shares how growing up as an immigrant and an outsider in 1970s New Jersey, athletics became the critical early catalyst for self-confidence, community, and breaking in. Discover why youth sports is an essential foundation for unconventional leadership.Hear the raw story of being part of a massive layoff early in his career and facing the extreme self-doubt that followed ("What have I done to deserve this?"). David's core lesson: Allow five minutes for the self-pity, then make the strategic pivot to control your your own destiny.Starting Equilar just before the dot-com bubble burst forced David to operate with a brutal level of financial hyper-focus. Learn why discipline and cutting non-essential things were the keys to survival—even when it meant going without a salary for three years—and how this financial grit became a permanent part of his company's culture.David reveals how the tragic events of 9/11 forced an existential choice for Equilar: shut down or make a massive strategic shift. His decision to go all-in on executive compensation and corporate governance was the breakthrough that defined his company's long-term success.More than IQ or grades, David stresses that relationships matter most. See how Equilar's massive database, which maps connections between C-suite and board members, helps leaders solve the "last mile" problem in recruiting and business development, strengthening your own professional network.You already possess the grit and the network to power through your next challenge. We hope David's story inspires you to lean into your own unconventional path.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DAVID CHUN:LinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this dynamic crossover event on No Boxes: Just Verses, we're joined by finance expert, CPA, and podcast host, Ravi Kumar. Are you a leader trying to pivot your career, find passion outside of public accounting, or build a powerful global network? Ravi's journey is a powerful testament to immigrant grit, relentless perseverance, and why you should "Don't Stop Believin'" in your potential. Tune in for the playbook on transforming the perception of accounting from boring to brilliant.Ravi Kumar is a Partner and National Market Leader at The Connor Group, specializing in transforming financial challenges into growth opportunities for clients through IPOs, SPACs, and Direct Listings. With over 20 years of experience, he acts as a catalyst for success, leveraging an extensive network of industry leaders and investors to connect visionary companies with the necessary capital and expertise. He blends technical acumen (holding the CPA designation and having passed Level I of the CFA) with strategic insight, and his expertise spans capital markets advisory, IPO readiness, and M&A financial due diligence. He is also the host of The Connor Group's Breakthrough Work Podcast.Key Takeaways:The "Royals" Motivation: Learn how Ravi's humble beginnings and a missed team trip to Hawaii fueled a powerful drive to create a different life, instilling a sense of grit and hunger that propelled his career.No Easy Way Out: Accounting as a Trojan Horse: Discover why Ravi views accounting as his "Trojan Horse"—a strategic vehicle that gave him access to commercial transactions and business objectives, enabling him to build influence beyond traditional accounting roles.The Strategic Value of the Global Pivot: Hear how Ravi leveraged his experience to build a specialized accounting practice in New Zealand, defying advice to stay on a linear path. This global move enhanced his career and provided a unique lens for advising international clients.Parenting is the Hardest Transaction: Find out why Ravi believes parenting is the hardest thing he’s ever done, and how his father's supportive legacy guides him to prioritize his family, ensuring his children have a better experience than he did.The Power of Network Mentality: Understand how Ravi cultivates a vast and prominent network by treating people with authenticity, viewing every interaction as an opportunity to pay it forward, and connecting contacts to pivotal roles.Ravi Kumar’s journey proves that accounting is anything but boring when you lead with passion and a "Don't Stop Believin'" mindset. Where can you break the status quo in your career this week? Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH RAVI KUMAR:LinkedInBreakthrough Work Podcast YouTube | Spotify | ApplePlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this dynamic Verses in Service episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we're joined by sisters-in-law, sorority sisters, and business partners, Felicia Mayo and Mica Mayo. Are you a leader trying to align personal values with wealth creation, navigate a major corporate pivot, or figure out how to fund the next generation of founders? Felicia and Mica's journey is a powerful testament to work-life integration, the strategic value of authenticity, and their mission to "lift as they climb" through their angel syndicate, Untapped Investing. Tune in for a double dose of Silicon Valley grit and purpose-driven leadership.Mica Eades Mayo is an executive operations and finance leader with over two decades in the high-tech sector, including roles at ServiceNow, Juniper Networks, Oracle, and Sun Microsystems. Currently, Mica is an industry luminary, investor, and CEO advisor for Aviso AI, and a multi-unit franchise owner for The NOW, while also serving as vice chair for the American Leadership Forum-Silicon Valley and board director for Silicon Valley Social Venture Fund (SV2). Felicia Mayo is a distinguished executive and human capital strategist with over two decades of experience at leading companies such as Block Inc., Nike, and Tesla. As the former Chief People Officer at Block, she was responsible for the Global People organization across brands like Square, CashApp, and Tidal, driving innovation through equity, inclusion, and leadership development. Felicia co-founded Untapped Investing and the Executive Crew, and served as Board Chair of Facing History & Ourselves Northern California Advisory Board. Key Takeaways:Discover why Felicia and Mica founded Untapped Investing to tackle the startling statistic that Black CEO founders receive only 0.4% of venture funding, proving that you can do good and make money simultaneously.Hear why Felicia Mayo rejects the elusive idea of "work-life balance" and instead focuses on "work-life integration," intentionally bringing her family along into her professional world.Learn how Mica Mayo navigated postpartum depression and a challenging corporate acquisition by finding strength through vulnerability, even commissioning an abstract art piece to reflect those deep emotions.Find out how Felicia Mayo left a top corporate job for love in Silicon Valley and had to continuously "Keep On Moving" (Soul to Soul) through a series of pivots that ultimately led her to iconic companies.Understand the power of their sorority sisterhood and the matchmaking efforts that made them sisters-in-law, showing that your personal network is your greatest asset for both family and business ventures.Felicia and Mica’s journey is a powerful reminder that your purpose must be at the center of your professional life. How will you strategically open your aperture to ownership and access for your community?CONNECT WITH GUESTS:Felicia Mayo LinkedInMica Mayo LinkedInUntapped InvestingThe NOW BoutiquePlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this critical Verses in Service episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with cybersecurity pioneer and quantum expert, Debbie Taylor Moore. Are you a leader trying to manage the security risks of the future, balance a demanding career with family life, or looking to overcome the fear of unconventional pivots? Debbie’s story is a powerful testament to the value of unconditional support, perseverance, and why the next digital threat is far more complex than anything we’ve seen before. Tune in for the playbook on quantum cybersecurity and leading in a complex world. Debbie's been a cybersecurity professional for more than 23 years. A 2x Founder and 3x CEO, a VP for IBM, NetSec/Verizon Business and SecureInfo/Kratos. Leading security at the intersection of AI, Robotics and Quantum, Debbie is launching a new advisory firm, The Quantum Crunch - helping Boards, the C-Suite and Insurance manage the security risk associated with Quantum Computing. She's developed and led security programs across 26 countries and 4 continents. She serves on the boards of the Consumer Technology Association AND the Pentagon's Cyber AB . She has testified on AI and Security before the 118th Congress, and has been featured in the book, "The Gentle Art of Leadership" by Brian Donovan and Dean Phelan, and featured in Richard Stiennon's, Security Yearbook series for 5 consecutive years, as a security pioneer. Debbie resides in Virginia with her husband, Daniel. They have two beloved adult sons. Key Takeaways:Learn how Debbie’s parents made a huge sacrifice to move their family for a better education, instilling a core value of unconditional love and teaching her to "knock down the old gray walls" of expectation.Discover how an early, disappointing experience with workplace inequity after having children forced Debbie to pivot her stable corporate IT career into the emerging and high-demand field of cybersecurity.Hear the layman's explanation of quantum computing—it solves problems by trying all routes at once (parallelism). This power will soon break all modern encryption, necessitating immediate action to protect critical data.Find out why Debbie decided to leave a high-profile international leadership role to be with her terminal father. She asked for grace and has no regrets, proving that true success requires prioritizing humanity and family over the clock.Learn how a massive, embarrassing network outage at a top tech company, and Bill Gates's reaction to it, was the catalyst for her move into building security programs for the US Government.Debbie Taylor Moore’s journey is a powerful reminder that if you ground your career in love and a commitment to lifelong learning, you can achieve anything. What part of your future security plan are you neglecting? Follow The Quantum Crunch and join the movement to protect our data!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH DEBBIE TAYLOR MOORE:WebsiteLinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this empowering Verses in Service episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope, CPA, documentary filmmaker, and fraud expert. Are you a leader trying to understand risk management, curious about how fraud works, or looking for the blueprint to scale your research into a globally consumable business? Dr. Pope's journey is a powerful testament to resilience, the art of turning academic passion into a public service, and why true crime is the perfect lens for teaching finance. Tune in to hear the playbook for synthesizing complex concepts into compelling stories.Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope is a nationally recognized expert in risk, corporate governance, and audit practices. She is a published author, documentary filmmaker, and endowed full professor. Her book, Fool Me Once: Scam Stories and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry, was recognized as one of the 15 best business books of 2023 by Inc. Magazine. Dr. Pope is also the founder of the ed tech company Red Flag Mania, which uses true crime to train professionals in accounting and fraud risk management. She is a Qualified Financial Expert and a Certified Public Accountant (CPA).Key Takeaways:Learn how the profound, back-to-back loss of both parents in her twenties forced Dr. Pope to rely on gospel music and deep resilience, setting a foundation that redefined how she works and moves.Discover how Dr. Pope successfully scaled her academic research and knowledge into a global platform (a book, a documentary, and an ed tech company) by using the universally appealing genre of true crime to explain complex accounting and auditing concepts.Hear the powerful lesson Dr. Pope learned by studying for the CPA Exam ten years after college: even with a PhD, technical competence is never assumed. You must be willing to re-study the basics and prove your credentials.Find out why organizations—large and small—still fall victim to basic fraud schemes (like the Dixon, Illinois municipal fraud). The root cause is simple: trust, and a lack of proper checks and balances, proving that human nature is still the biggest risk.Understand why Dr. Pope intentionally plays upbeat music (like the bonus song "What's My Favorite Word") before leaving the house: she channels that joy to give her the energy to be the enthusiastic, present, and successful leader she is.Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope's journey proves that the most impactful leaders can transform complex knowledge into accessible, powerful stories. What area of your expertise can you teach the masses using a compelling new narrative? CONNECT WITH KELLY RICHMOND POPE:WebsiteBooksDocumentaryRed Flag ManiaLinkedInInstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this incredibly insightful episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with technology executive and operator, Panya Lei Yarber-King. Are you a leader trying to manage high-pressure situations, advocate for your worth, or find a deeper connection between your faith and your career? Panya’s journey is a powerful testament to resilience, the strength of faith and independence, and the mindset that you should "keep on moving" despite any obstacle. Tune in for the blueprint on mastering digital transformation and leading mission-critical AI infrastructure.Panya Lei Yarber-King is a technology executive and strategic operator with 20 years of experience in large-scale IT operations and infrastructure strategy. She currently leads Meta’s Illinois data center operations—one of the company’s most advanced AI-driven facilities—supporting platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and Meta AI. A graduate of Stanford University and Harvard Business School, Panya is also a dedicated community builder, serving on several non-profit boards focused on education and girls' empowerment.Key Takeaways:The Work Ethic of Independence: Learn how Panya's mother, who worked for over 40 years, instilled a core principle of resilience and fierce independence, showing Panya that you always pick back up and keep moving despite setbacks.Discover the early career lesson Panya learned when her manager told her she wasn't ready for a promotion. She advocated for herself, walked directly to the hiring manager's office, and ultimately got the job—proving that you can't let others hold you down.Hear how a high-risk pregnancy forced Panya to embrace delegation as a necessity, realizing that it’s okay to ask for help and that her team was ready and willing to support her—a vital lesson in trusting your team.Find out why a data center is crucial, acting as a mission-critical building filled with the servers and infrastructure that power everything you use online, including the latest AI applications.Understand how a single track meet invitation exposed Panya to the beauty of Stanford’s Palm Drive, giving her a vision and a challenge that drove her academic and professional journey.Panya Lei Yarber-King’s journey proves that your faith and your ambition can carry you through any challenge. What obstacle are you ready to face head-on and "keep on moving" through this week? Be Grateful and subscribe to the podcast!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH PANYA LEI YARBER-KING:LinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this powerful Verses in Service episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with visionary global CTO and corporate board director, Lakecia Gunter. Are you a leader battling imposter syndrome, seeking to master the calculated risk, or looking to build a career that is truly purpose-driven? Lakecia's story is a profound testament to the value of sowing good seeds, owning your brilliance, and believing that you are Unstoppable. From her humble, supportive roots in Florida to leading Microsoft's global technology strategy, tune in for the playbook on navigating corporate tech with high IQ and EQ.Lakecia Gunter is an accomplished corporate board director and C-suite executive, currently serving as an independent director for IDEX Corporation and a board advisor for Responsive.io. As the former CTO for Microsoft’s Global Partner Solutions, she led digital transformation and technical innovation, shaping the technical vision for the industry's largest partner ecosystem and empowering partners with AI and Microsoft technologies.Key Takeaways:Learn how Lakecia’s mother and a strong family/community showed her that support and resilience are the foundation for rising above circumstances.Discover how strong mentors, including her college director and her manager at a major tech company, created a blueprint for success—giving her internships, securing her fellowship funding, and planting the seed for her C-Suite trajectory.Hear Lakecia's journey to realizing that she had earned her seat and had to stop trying to prove anything to anyone else, embracing the mantra of being Unstoppable and owning her unique differentiation (high IQ and high EQ).Find out why Lakecia believes her career success and opportunities are a direct result of sowing good seeds and extending grace to others, knowing that actions are lasting and emotions are temporary.Understand the devastating moment her mentor passed away, leaving her without a safety net, and how she channeled that loss to carry on the mentor’s work, proving her faith and resilience.Lakecia Gunter’s journey is a powerful call to own your brilliance and trust that you have what it takes to succeed. How will you walk into the confidence that you should possess this week? Follow Lakecia's podcast and step into your unstoppable future!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH LAKECIA GUNTER:LinkedInInstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this inspiring Verses in Service episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we celebrate the journey of Elicia Pegues Spearman, CEO of Girl Scouts of Connecticut and a true trailblazer. Are you a leader trying to make a bold career pivot from law to operations, or looking to build a career defined by service and joy? Elicia's story is a powerful testament to the value of kindness, strategic networking, and why the "soft skills" you learn on the job are the real currency of the C-Suite. Tune in to hear the playbook for achieving firsts and leading with authentic joy.Elicia Pegues Spearman is a force in executive leadership, known for her record of achieving historical "firsts." She is the Chief Executive Officer of Girl Scouts of Connecticut and was the first person of color hired into the C-Suite at General Dynamics Electric Boat. A former in-house lawyer who worked for the FBI, she successfully pivoted her career into Human Resources and operations. She is the first woman from Connecticut to serve as the North Atlantic Regional Director of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated.Key TakeawaysKindness as a Foundational Skill: Learn how Elicia's childhood practice of always picking the last kid for the team instilled a lifelong core value of kindness and making space for others.The Strategic Move from Law to HR: Discover why Elicia voluntarily pivoted from being a lawyer to taking on roles in Human Resources—it taught her organizational design, compliance, and training—the crucial operational skills needed to run a business.The Power of the Lateral Move: Hear how she intentionally took a perceived lateral step (HR Business Partner) to gain intimate business knowledge right next to the finance clients, a skill that propelled her into executive leadership.Your Board of Advisors Should Be Well-Rounded: Find out why your most valuable mentors are often not CEOs but trusted friends and family who know you personally and will tell you the truth, knowing when "money's not everything."The Necessity of Asking for Grace: Understand why she had no regrets about asking for grace from her job and community leadership roles to be present with her father during his terminal illness—a vital lesson in prioritizing family over the clock.Elicia Pegues Spearman’s journey is a powerful reminder that if you are grounded in kindness and constantly seeking knowledge, your career will be defined by an abundance of joy and purpose. Who do you need to add to your well-rounded Board of Advisors this week? Follow Elicia's journey of service and let her inspire your next move!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH ELICIA PEGUES SPEARMAN:LinkedInInstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this special Verses in Service miniseries episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with powerhouse operator and servant leader, Nichole Jordan. Are you a leader battling imposter syndrome, navigating traumatic personal loss, or looking for the blueprint to authentic leadership in corporate America? Nichole's journey is a powerful testament to adaptability, resilience, and the core belief that self-worth is your ultimate superpower. From being the first Black woman in the Wharton West Coast program to scaling tech companies across five continents, this conversation provides the playbook for leading with vulnerability, trust, and purpose.Nichole Jordan, COO of Indr, Inc., scales go-to-market strategies and builds customer success practices. Formerly COO at Remix Software (acquired by Via), she managed executive accounts for 400+ cities globally. Jordan is a national board member for Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. as Far Western Regional Director, and serves on the American Red Cross Bay Area Board of Directors (BioMed committee, sickle cell initiative). She is also a member of The Links, Incorporated (San Francisco chapter) and was President of the African American Art and Culture Complex Board (2011-2016). Key Takeaways:Learn how Nichole's childhood—moving to seven different elementary schools—taught her early lessons in adaptability, observation, and the critical skill of quickly building trust in any new environment.Discover why a leader's ability to show empathy and vulnerability and build non-work related connections is the foundation of trust, leading people to follow you because they know you genuinely care.Hear Nichole's struggle with imposter syndrome in her high-powered MBA program and how she learned to use the song "Masterpiece" as a mantra to remind herself that she was "perfectly made by God" and a masterpiece just as she is.Find out why Nichole quit her job after profound personal loss, only to be hired back with a promotion months later. She channeled her grief into personal rebuilding (therapy, fitness) and trusted that stepping out on faith would lead to a better role.Understand why her commitment to organizations like Alpha Kappa Alpha and the American Red Cross (in honor of her brother) is not a hobby, but a civil rights mission that provides community, sisterhood, and a foundation of lifelong service.Nichole Jordan's journey is a powerful reminder that vulnerability is strength and that your ability to lead with authenticity is your true competitive edge. Where can you show up more authentically this week? Find Nichole's full playlist and start building your own blueprint for unboxed leadership!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH NICHOLE JORDAN:LinkedInInstagramPeloton Hashtag is #MsNicholeStarrPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this electrifying episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with AI governance expert and founder, Steven Wolfe Pereira. Are you a leader trying to navigate the complex world of AI transformation or looking to make a bold career pivot? Steven's journey is a powerful testament to servant leadership, calculated risk-taking, and why AI literacy is the new financial literacy. From his Dominican immigrant roots in Mount Vernon to cutting his teeth on Wall Street and pioneering data-driven marketing, this conversation provides the playbook for leading in the age of intelligence.Steven Wolfe Pereira, founder of Alpha, addresses the lack of AI governance frameworks for boards. With 25+ years in tech, he led over $5 billion in strategic transactions at AI-first companies like Datalogix (acquired by Oracle, $1.2B) and Neustar (acquired by Golden Gate Capital, $3B). His experience includes executive roles at Publicis Groupe, TelevisaUnivision, Quantcast, and co-founding Encantos. A board director for the Latino Community Foundation, Save the Children, and Whalar, Steven combines operator and boardroom insights. A Fulbright Scholar with degrees from Tufts, MIT Sloan, and Stanford, his AI, data, and tech expertise has been featured in Bloomberg, Fortune, Fast Company, and Forbes. He started his career at Blackstone Group and Akamai Technologies.Key Takeaways:Servant Leadership is Foundational: Learn how Steven's immigrant upbringing and military school experience instilled the lifelong question, "How can I help?"—the core philosophy of a servant leader who puts the team and community first.The Power of the Calculated Pivot: Discover why leaving a big banking bonus for an engineering role at a startup (Akamai) was the greatest calculated risk he took, proving that sometimes you must take a financial step backward to leap forward in your career .A Breakdown Leads to a Breakthrough: Hear the crucial zero-to-one builder mindset: a breakdown (like the world shutting down during his startup's capital raise) must be treated as a moment that drives the breakthrough to success.AI Literacy is the New Bar: Find out why we are at a monumental moment—the AI era—where every leader, regardless of industry, must become a "qualified technology expert" and understand AI from a strategic and business lens.We are living at the birth of the age of intelligence, and the bar for leadership is being raised. How are you investing in your AI literacy this week? Follow Steven Wolfe Pereira's work on LinkedIn and embrace the future that is already here!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH STEVEN WOLFE PEREIRA:LinkedInXPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this special on-the-go compilation of No Boxes: Just Verses, recorded live from Martha's Vineyard, we share powerful leadership insights from leaders who believe in recharge, community, and equitable futures. Are you a leader battling burnout, seeking deeper community connections, or looking to hardwire your values into the future of culture and technology? These short bursts of wisdom from private banker Justin Harmon, marketing executive Kellie Pean, and philanthropic CEO Michele Jawando will give you a quick boost of clarity and purpose to set the vibe for your day.Justin Harmon is a Wealth Advisor with Truist Bank, working with high-net-worth individuals and families. He leverages all of Truist’s resources and a team of specialists in financial planning, investments, credit, estate planning, philanthropy, and family governance, to provide his clients with holistic planning.Kellie Pean is an experienced cultural marketing executive with a proven track record of building results-driven brand programs across many sectors from CPG to media for more than 15 years. As Co-Founder and CEO of Brand New: A Collective (BNAC), Kellie works with a diverse roster of clients to create immersive experiences, partnerships and content that push the boundaries of what branded entertainment traditionally encompasses. Michele L. Jawando serves as president at Omidyar Network, where she oversees a multimillion-dollar portfolio and spearheads the organization’s efforts to make technology work in the service of society. She seamlessly integrates emergent issues, narrative development, inclusive investment strategies, and policy work across all initiatives of this philanthropic organization, which has committed more than $1.94 billion to organizations that share its vision since its inception.Key Takeaways:Learn how successful leaders recharge—from runs and yoga on the beach to disconnecting in nature—to ensure they bring their best, most refreshed self to every challenge.Discover why natural, in-person dialogue and reconnecting with a diverse network are essential for breaking free from the "Zoom mentality" and finding connection and recharge.Find out why embracing "unboxed" leadership means living wholly and authentically within yourself, rejecting the restrictions and narrow views others try to put on you.Hear why leaders must intentionally hardwire equity and ownership into the future of technology and culture to ensure all communities can participate and have a seat at the table to win.CONNECT WITH GUESTS:Justin Harmon LinkedIn Kellie Pean LinkedIn | Brand New: A CollectiveMichele L. Jawando LinkedIn | Omidyar NetworkPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this inspiring episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with the influential investor and entrepreneur, Vishal Verma. Are you a leader trying to navigate the high-risk world of venture capital, overcome self-doubt, or find a deeper mission in your work? Vishal's journey is a powerful testament to the value of immigrant work ethic and the idea that "failure is not an option". From his family's humble beginnings to building a global investment firm and championing education at UC Merced, this conversation reveals the mindset and persistence needed to succeed in Silicon Valley and beyond.Vishal Verma is a General Partner at Edgewood Ventures, LLC. and Redwood Collective, LLC. He has invested in 17 top-tier venture capital and private equity firms, and holds stakes in over 20 private companies including Wiz, Anduril, Antropic, Glean, and Mistral. Vishal is a Senior Advisor to Honorable Dick Gephardt and Honorable Secretary Michael Chertoff on International Strategy, and the founder of Sidebar Summit. He is an active member of The Chicago Club, The Indus Entrepreneurs, the US India Cyber-security Track 1.5 Dialogue hosted by CFR and ORF, the Board of Trustees of the University of California at Merced, the Leadership Council at the RFK Foundation, and Best Buddies. While pursuing his MBA at Chicago Booth, Vishal founded Hyde Park Angels. He holds a B.S. in Marketing from Santa Clara University and an MBA in Finance from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business.Key Takeaways:The "Too Legit to Quit" Mindset: Vishal's immigrant father, who arrived in the U.S. with $8, instilled an unwavering work ethic, teaching him that failure is not an option.The Power of Relationship Building: An early internship helped Vishal, a self-described high school introvert, master crucial relationship-building skills for business and life.Growth is Slow, Death is Fast: Vishal learned from the dot-com and telecom busts that startups must focus on making money, conserving cash, and building strong fundamentals to survive.Education is the Equalizer: Vishal believes education solves global problems and supports UC Merced to create generational change in immigrant families.Vishal’s journey is a powerful reminder that you are the fabric of the innovation ecosystem—and you belong. What small impact will you make today to contribute? Join his community by checking out his Sidebar Summit.Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH VISHAL VERMA:LinkedInPlaylistSidebar SummitBest BuddiesCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this inspiring episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we're joined by Paris-based jewelry designer and entrepreneur, Lola Oladunjoye. Have you ever wondered what it takes to walk away from a successful legal career to follow your artistic passion? Lola’s story is a powerful testament to the value of "delusional self-confidence," continuous learning, and the courage to build something that is uniquely yours. From her upbringing in London to her groundbreaking career in Silicon Valley, this conversation reveals the songs and stories that shaped a true "unboxed" leader.Lola Oladunjoye is the creative at the helm of LOLA FENHIRST, which she founded in 2020.​ Prior to founding LOLA FENHIRST, Oladunjoye enjoyed a successful career as an intellectual property attorney in California's Silicon Valley, working for best-of-breed publicly traded software companies. ​In 2015, Oladunjoye resigned from her role as General Counsel of the Salesforce Foundation, to pursue her dream of becoming a jewellery designer.​ By 2017, determined to transform her dream into reality, Oladunjoye had moved to Paris.Key Takeaways:The Power of "Delusional Self-Confidence": Learn how a confident mindset—even if it seems naive to others—can be your greatest superpower, fueling you to knock on a hundred doors to get one "yes".Soft Skills Are Your Superpower: Discover why Lola believes that the most important skill in a corporate career is not your technical expertise, but your ability to build relationships and work well with people .Leave a Great Job for a Personal Dream: Hear why Lola decided to walk away from her top legal role at Salesforce to create her jewelry brand, choosing a path where her art would be unique to her and could not be replicated.Normalize the "Unboxed" Path: Find out why a leader's career journey doesn't have to be a straight line, and why the most powerful thing you can do is "let people catch up" with your vision.Lola Fenhirst’s story is a powerful reminder that it's never too late to follow your dreams. What’s your unboxed career path? Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH LOLA OLADUNJOYE:WebsitePlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this inspiring episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with Dr. Vicki Johnson, founder of the tech company ProFellow. Are you a leader looking for life-changing opportunities but don't know where to find them? Are you struggling to balance a mission-driven business with your personal life? Vicki’s journey is a powerful testament to the value of servant leadership and building a career that is grounded in your values. From her humble beginnings in Delaware to a global career in public service, this conversation reveals the songs and stories that shaped a true "unboxed" leader.Dr. Vicki Johnson is a speaker, author, and founder of ProFellow, the leading U.S. platform for emerging leaders, linking a diverse national audience of 330,000 members to competitive fellowships, top graduate schools, and leadership development programs.Key Takeaways:The Power of an Unconventional Story: Learn how Vicki got into Cornell by telling a powerful, personal story about leading a losing high school sports team, proving that your unique experience can be your greatest asset.Finding Purpose in Service: Discover how her passion for public service led her to a career in emergency management, where she witnessed firsthand the power of national unity after the events of 9/11.Building a Business on Your Own Terms: Hear why Vicki chose to build ProFellow as a small, mission-driven social enterprise rather than a venture-backed startup, allowing her to have full control over her values and a healthy work-life balance.The "Bones" of a Business: Find out why she believes a company built with "strong bones"—rooted in values, a supportive community, and consistency—can withstand any challenge or economic headwind.Vicki’s story proves that a leader's journey is a beautiful, unpredictable path, and that a mission-driven business can be a powerful force for change. Join her community by visiting ProFellow.com to start your own unboxed journey!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH VICKI JOHNSON:ProFellowPersonal WebsiteLinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this inspiring episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with the one and only Lauren Maillian. Are you a leader who has faced setbacks and wondered if you can ever get back on track? Lauren’s story is a powerful testament to the value of resilience, reinvention, and a deep commitment to family and purpose. From her early days as a fashion model to becoming the youngest self-made winery owner in the U.S., this conversation reveals the songs and stories that shaped a true entrepreneur who has redefined what success looks like on her own terms.Lauren Maillian is a global CEO, three-time entrepreneur, investor, and award-winning marketer. She is the founder of LMB Group and former CEO of Digital Undivided. Lauren is also a bestselling author and was the youngest self-made winery owner in the United States. She is a recognized voice in marketing, leadership, and entrepreneurship, and a passionate advocate for women and minority founders.Key Takeaways:From Looks to Legacy: Learn how Lauren used her early career as a fashion model as a way to build capital for her entrepreneurial dreams, proving that a leader knows how to leverage their assets for a greater purpose.The Power of the Pivot: Discover how a challenging personal setback forced her to redefine her path and find her true strength and capabilities, leading to a profound season of personal growth.Redefining Success on Your Own Terms: Hear why Lauren believes a leader’s journey is not a straight line, but a series of intentional pivots, allowing you to get to the top on your own terms.A Leader's Routine: Find out why a leader's routine must be built on persistence, faith, and a clear vision, especially when you are an entrepreneur and no one is bringing you a paycheck.Lauren’s journey is a powerful reminder that you can redefine your path again and again. Join us in building your own "unboxed" journey and check out the show notes to get Lauren’s unforgettable playlist!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH LAUREN MAILLIAN:WebsiteInstagramLinkedInPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this inspiring episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we sit down with powerhouse CEO Christiane Pendarvis. Are you a leader trying to navigate an unconventional career path, overcome self-doubt, or find your authentic leadership style? Christiane's journey is a powerful testament to the value of taking risks, embracing pivots, and finding your purpose beyond a career plan. From her upbringing in South Carolina to leading global brands like Savage X Fenty and PATTERN Beauty, this conversation reveals the songs and stories that shaped a true unboxed leader.Christiane Pendarvis is a growth-oriented Chief Executive Officer with over 30 years of experience. She is currently the Co-CEO of PATTERN Beauty and previously served as Co-President of Savage X Fenty, where she grew revenues six times over and closed a major financing round. She brings a leadership style grounded in compassion and empathy and serves on the boards of public companies, including Him for Hers and Hootsuite.Key Takeaways:Exposure Drives Growth: Learn how a childhood of black excellence in South Carolina, followed by a move to Harvard, taught Christiane that a leader's growth is often accelerated by new experiences and diverse exposure.The Power of Authentic Leadership: Discover how Christiane learned to overcome the fear of showing her whole self at work, realizing that full authenticity is the key to building genuine connections and career longevity.Pivots are a Pathway to Purpose: Hear how an unexpected maternity leave project at Gap and a risky move to a small startup prepared her with the exact e-commerce, strategy, and operational skills she needed to lead Savage X Fenty.The Key to a C-Suite Role: Find out why Christiane believes that the path to a CEO role isn't about a calculated plan, but about being deeply passionate, maniacally focused, and constantly learning what interests you.Christiane’s story proves that a leader's journey is a beautiful, unpredictable path. What lessons will you take from her story to create your own unboxed career? Share this episode with a friend and remember to leave a rating and review!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH CHRISTIANE PENDARVIS:LinkedInPATTERN InstagramPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music) 

In this special edition of No Boxes: Just Verses, recorded live at the Harold and Carol Pump Foundation's celebrity fundraiser, we sit down with basketball legend and Hall of Famer, Artis Gilmore. Have you ever wondered what it takes to rise from a childhood of poverty to a career of unprecedented success? Artis' journey is a powerful testament to the value of mentorship, perseverance, and a deep commitment to family legacy. This conversation goes beyond the court to reveal the songs and stories that shaped a quiet leader whose influence continues to impact generations.Artis Gilmore is a Hall of Fame basketball legend who dominated both the ABA and NBA. A seven-foot-two center, he led Jacksonville University to the NCAA Championship game and went on to become the ABA's Rookie of the Year and MVP. He holds the NBA record for the highest career field goal percentage at nearly 60%. Known for his quiet leadership and efficiency, he remains one of the most respected big men in basketball history.Key Takeaways:The Power of a Visionary Coach: Learn how a high school coach saw potential in a young Artis and created a path for him to leave his challenging upbringing to get an education and play basketball.The Leadership of the Long Game: Discover why Artis chose to turn down a pro contract early in his career to finish his degree, setting an example for his younger siblings and creating a generational legacy of education.Basketball as a Business: Hear how Artis' experiences in the competitive ABA and NBA taught him lessons on quick decision-making and being prepared for failure—skills that are essential in both business and life.Defining True Wealth: Find out why Artis believes a leader's true wealth is not the money or accolades, but the success and happiness of their family and the positive impact they have on their community.Artis Gilmore's story proves that a leader’s journey is often shaped by a spiritual belief and a desire to make a difference in the world. Join us in building your own "unboxed" journey and check out the show notes to get Artis' unforgettable playlist!Thank you for listening! If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast! CONNECT WITH ARTIS:XPlaylistCONNECT WITH SHANNON:FacebookInstagramLinkedIn Shannon | LinkedIn NBJVTheme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther (Spotify | Apple Music)